It's official... Biden says he won't be Democratic candidate

[Hey Yo]

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320?t=_ykGeoKxWR_Kp4G3DnJ8Dg&s=19

[MMM]

He should resign in full

[AlternativeAcc.]

Bullied out by his own party. The party of "democracy"

Also he didn't officially endorse Kamala. Will be interesting to see how this process plays out but I fully expect Kamala to be the nominee. Let the games begin.

[Hey Yo]

He should resign in full

I agree but only if Trump's allowed to step in now. Putting Kamala "the Ugandan giant" in charge is more of a threat to public safety

[ShawkFactory]

Bullied out by his own party. The party of "democracy"

Also he didn't officially endorse Kamala. Will be interesting to see how this process plays out but I fully expect Kamala to be the nominee. Let the games begin.

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Past DNC shenanigans aside, I wouldn’t really consider imploring someone who is unfit for office to drop out to be bullying.

[1987_Lakers]

He endorsed Harris. :oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.5273765797.5243/ssrco,long_t_shirt,mens,101010:01c5ca27c6,front,sq uare_product,x600-bg,f8f8f8.1.jpg

[AlternativeAcc.]

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Past DNC shenanigans aside, I wouldn’t really consider imploring someone who is unfit for office to drop out to be bullying.

Then why aren't they imploring him to step down as president if he's unfit?

If they actually thought he'd win they would be gaslighting like they did in 2020. He was unfit then too and everybody saw it except delusional dems and TDS sufferers. But it didn't matter because the polls were favorable.

I think its cute you think this is anything but a desperate attempt to cling to power via undemocratic processes. The party of hypocrisy and incompetence.

[1987_Lakers]

Once Obama came out and said Biden should step down, you knew it was over. He was basically pressured to drop out.

[kabacho]

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933


https://media.giphy.com/media/cKtrGGMCsmm3jfpq0l/giphy.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

Once Obama came out and said Biden should step down, you knew it was over. He was basically pressured to drop out.

https://img.huffingtonpost.com/asset/5b9b8df51f0000510020e4e5.jpeg


watch out for that Black Widow ....

she's coming

[bison]

Biden is the kawhi Leonard of presidents

[SouBeachTalents]

It was obviously unsustainable to remain the nominee amidst so many calls within your own party to drop out, but I can't believe he actually did it, he seemed hellbent on staying in the race no matter what.

But keeping it real, him dropping out only for Kamala to become the nominee is literally meaningless. She's legitimately the only candidate who I think would fare worse in the election than he would. As pathetic as supporting Biden would have been, NOBODY wants Kamala to be president. I think this will be the biggest electoral beatdown since Obama/McCain.

[diamenz]

He endorsed Harris. :oldlol:

god *uck it all. you people better vote trump - all of you. even you democrats.

[diamenz]

NOBODY wants Kamala to be president. I think this will be the biggest electoral beatdown since Obama/McCain.

this isn't true. you've got every past hillary voter as a lock and the liberal news media will be full-on orange man bad mode until the election. book it - you'll never see a more aggressive propaganda campaign the likes of which we're gonna see going forward on msnbc, cnn and the liberal print outlets.

[Hey Yo]

this isn't true. you've got every past hillary voter as a lock and the liberal news media will be full-on orange man bad mode until the election. book it - you'll never see a more aggressive propaganda campaign the likes of which we're gonna see going forward on msnbc, cnn and the liberal print outlets.

But what do they have that Harris has done to tout or brag about her that suggests she's the right candidate?

She never even had a public speaking event about current affairs, what needs done moving forward or doing Q and A's

[SaltyMeatballs]

Congratulations to Donald John Trump on winning the 2024 election

[SouBeachTalents]

this isn't true. you've got every past hillary voter as a lock and the liberal news media will be full-on orange man bad mode until the election. book it - you'll never see a more aggressive propaganda campaign the likes of which we're gonna see going forward on msnbc, cnn and the liberal print outlets.
Of course the majority of the democratic party will still vote for her, 100% of that vote to deny Trump becoming president again. But she's been a consistently unpopular vice president, and I just cannot imagine swing voters, even moderate Democrats, being motivated enough to vote for her. The OMB rhetoric is much cooler than it was in 2020, esp after the shooting, and I don't think that will not be enough of a factor to get people to the polls like it was last time, esp to vote for such an unbelievably unappealing candidate.

I know we thought Hillary was bad, but imo Kamala is the worst presidential candidate in modern political history, no charisma, no political skill, no notable achievements to fall back on, anyone outside of the democratic bubble knows she literally only has her current position because she's a black woman. I really think you're downplaying how abysmal of a choice she is bro :lol If it was between her or Biden, I would've just stuck with Biden.

[AlternativeAcc.]

But what do they have that Harris has done to tout or brag about her that suggests she's the right candidate?

She never even had a public speaking event about current affairs, what needs done moving forward or doing Q and A's

But she polled at 1% during the primaries before dropping out, so clearly she's the candidate the people want. :confusedshrug:

Democracy baby! The diversity hire who nobody likes is the handpicked candidate by the dem elites. It's beautiful.

Cue the 24/7 "trump is racist, sexist, and too old to be president" rhetoric for the next 4 months from the media. Should be fun.

[Hey Yo]

Plus the big money donors will have a say. You take away a lot of the 6 and 7 digit donors, then there's no campaign.

[Akeem34TheDream]

There is no way Kamala Harris is less popular than Hillary Clinton was. Hillary was INCREDIBLY unlikeable. It's not even close. Also Kamala has much more chance than Biden did. With that said I still have Trump as slight favorite.

[bladefd]

Bigger question is who is taking over? Better not be Harris even tho he endorsed her. Harris would lose, mark my words.

I have always thought Newsome/Whittmer ticket has a good chance. Whittmer would bring Michigan with her, and Newsome would tear up Trump on the debate stand.

[Patrick Chewing]

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!

[SouBeachTalents]

There is no way Kamala Harris is less popular than Hillary Clinton was. Hillary was INCREDIBLY unlikeable. It's not even close. Also Kamala has much more chance than Biden did. With that said I still have Trump as slight favorite.
Hillary was deeply unpopular, but people at least considered her qualified to be president. Kamala has genuinely nothing going for her, it's why she got 0% in the primary when she ran in 2020. I 100% guarantee Kamala does FAR worse than Hillary did in 2016, I don't even know if she'll win the popular vote, which the Democrats have won in 7 of the last 8 elections.

[Patrick Chewing]

I have always thought Newsome/Whittmer ticket has a good chance.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!

[ILLsmak]

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815087772216303933


https://media.giphy.com/media/cKtrGGMCsmm3jfpq0l/giphy.gif

haha rip

-Smak

[RRR3]

Kamala could probably win pretty easily if she pledged to stop the genocide in Gaza. But she won't.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Who's the old guy in the race now?

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHA!

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cciEXNhfAU

[1987_Lakers]

Kamala could probably win pretty easily if she pledged to stop the genocide in Gaza. But she won't.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuDsUV44h10

Sarah Palin 2.0

[diamenz]

seriously guys... god help us all.

[RRR3]

seriously guys... god help us all.
Pretending like you're not ecstatic your hero is likely going to win :roll:

[ShawkFactory]

Then why aren't they imploring him to step down as president if he's unfit?

If they actually thought he'd win they would be gaslighting like they did in 2020. He was unfit then too and everybody saw it except delusional dems and TDS sufferers. But it didn't matter because the polls were favorable.

I think its cute you think this is anything but a desperate attempt to cling to power via undemocratic processes. The party of hypocrisy and incompetence.

Because there are a couple months left and there’s no point..

How is this a weird thing to you? Haven’t political parties ran campaigns beneficial for getting into power since the dawn of our country?

You can think whatever is cute you want but I have a sense why you have a problem with this and would respect it if you had the same problems if it occurred on the other. I suspect you wouldn’t.

[SouBeachTalents]

Who's the old guy in the race now?

BWAWAWAHAHAHAHA!
https://a.pinatafarm.com/800x857/dfbf613a9d/pretending-to-be-happy-hiding-crying-behind-a-mask.jpg

[Axe]

This seemed inevitable regardless whether the shooting happened or not.

[Media Moderator]

I have always thought Newsome/Whittmer ticket has a good chance. Whittmer would bring Michigan with her, and Newsome would tear up Trump on the debate stand.

Newsome, the guy who has been under recall threat since almost day one in of the most liberal states in the nation and who's constituency disapproves of him more than approves him?

What kind of stupid do you have to be to think the US would like him if his own liberal state hates his guts :roll:

Put your dick back in your pants blade, we really know why you like him

[diamenz]

Pretending like you're not ecstatic your hero is likely going to win :roll:

last time i checked, ro khanna wasn't in the race.

[RRR3]

last time i checked, ro khanna wasn't in the race.
You expect me to believe you like Ro Khanna lol. Dude is basically Elizabeth Warren.

[Media Moderator]

I wonder if Biden knows he just quit the race 🤔

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/21/21/87597629-13656883-image-a-51_1721592889431.jpg

[AlternativeAcc.]

Because there are a couple months left and thereÂ’s no point..

How is this a weird thing to you? HavenÂ’t political parties ran campaigns beneficial for getting into power since the dawn of our country?

You can think whatever is cute you want but I have a sense why you have a problem with this and would respect it if you had the same problems if it occurred on the other. I suspect you wouldnÂ’t.

There's 6 months left and there are multiple wars taking place in the world. But yeah, it doesn't fit your narrative so who cares?

You were clearly trying to paint this as some noble act by the democratic party to get him out of the race because he's 'unfit', in reality it has nothing to do with him being fit, and everything to do with power and that they no longer think he can win. You had a problem with the word 'bullying' but thats what happened. He was bullied out of the race
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Also I saw this coming from a mile away, like most others did. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left to center their campaign around how anti-democracy trump is while literally shaming their nominee out of the race while essentially hand-picking the replacement. I mean, if that doesn't scream democracy idk what does, am I right?


I'm not on any one side, I don't mind pointing out hypocrisy and incompetence regardless of what side it is. I have a feeling you, whose first instinct was that the trump assassination attempt was staged, and actually think the democratic party gives a **** whether or not Biden is 'fit', are the one with the extreme bias here.

[RRR3]

Fatrick.exe needs an update, it's still talking about Biden :roll:

[RRR3]

There's 6 months left and there are multiple wars taking place in the world. But yeah, it doesn't fit your narrative so who cares?

You were clearly trying to paint this as some noble act by the democratic party to get him out of the race because he's 'unfit', in reality it has nothing to do with him being fit, and everything to do with power and that they no longer think he can win. You had a problem with the word 'bullying' but thats what happened. He was bullied out of the race
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Also I saw this coming from a mile away, like most others did. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy of the left to center their campaign around how anti-democracy trump is while literally shaming their nominee out of the race while essentially hand-picking the replacement. I mean, if that doesn't scream democracy idk what does, am I right?


I'm not on any one side, I don't mind pointing out hypocrisy and incompetence regardless of what side it is. I have a feeling you, whose first instinct was that the trump assassination attempt was staged, and actually think the democratic party gives a **** whether or not Biden is 'fit' or not, are the one with the extreme bias here.
Typing through the tears.

[highwhey]

I wonder if Biden knows he just quit the race ��

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/21/21/87597629-13656883-image-a-51_1721592889431.jpg

:roll:

[eliteballer]

Of course the majority of the democratic party will still vote for her, 100% of that vote to deny Trump becoming president again. But she's been a consistently unpopular vice president, and I just cannot imagine swing voters, even moderate Democrats, being motivated enough to vote for her. The OMB rhetoric is much cooler than it was in 2020, esp after the shooting, and I don't think that will not be enough of a factor to get people to the polls like it was last time, esp to vote for such an unbelievably unappealing candidate.

I know we thought Hillary was bad, but imo Kamala is the worst presidential candidate in modern political history, no charisma, no political skill, no notable achievements to fall back on, anyone outside of the democratic bubble knows she literally only has her current position because she's a black woman. I really think you're downplaying how abysmal of a choice she is bro :lol If it was between her or Biden, I would've just stuck with Biden.

Trump is all the motivation anyone needs to vote for the democratic ticket.

[SouBeachTalents]

Trump is all the motivation anyone needs to vote for the democratic ticket.
You're in for a very rude awakening if you think Trump hate being the sole motivating factor is going to work this time, it didn't work in 2016, it barely worked in 2020, and I guarantee it will not work if Kamala is the nominee.

I know everyone thinks he has no chance, but imo Newsome or Whitmer would give the Democrats the best shot to win, Kamala has a 0% chance of beating Trump, she would only further motivate his base to take down a DEI candidate.

[eliteballer]

You're in for a very rude awakening if you think Trump hate being the sole motivating factor is going to work this time, it didn't work in 2016, it barely worked in 2020, and I guarantee it will not work if Kamala is the nominee.

I know everyone thinks he has no chance, but imo Newsome or Whitmer would give the Democrats the best shot to win, Kamala has a 0% chance of beating Trump, she would only further motivate his base to take down a DEI candidate.

Trump lost the popular vote in both 2016 and 2020, by a combined 10 million votes.

The majority of the country does not want him as president.

[Proctor]

Anyone heard from that slob LakersLegend or is he browsing Twitter looking for the next punchy phrase to plagiarize?

:roll:

[kabacho]

I wonder if Biden knows he just quit the race 🤔

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/07/21/21/87597629-13656883-image-a-51_1721592889431.jpg

https://i.ibb.co/BBvtTR9/1721594479014269.jpg

[Jasper]

Trump lost the popular vote in both 2016 and 2020, by a combined 10 million votes.

The majority of the country does not want him as president.

10 4

Harris has picked Obama as her running mate !!!

[Patrick Chewing]

seriously guys... god help us all.

Get on the Trump train, sucka.

[Media Moderator]

Anyone heard from that slob LakersLegend or is he browsing Twitter looking for the next punchy phrase to plagiarize?

:roll:

Look directly above you. He switched to his eliteballer account :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

Democrats wanted Biden out so bad only to have Harris replace him? The Clinton's along with other Democrats are already endorsing Harris.

Obama is the only one who knows she doesn't have a shot, has not endorsed her.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Democrats wanted Biden out so bad only to have Harris replace him? The Clinton's along with other Democrats are already endorsing Harris.

Obama is the only one who knows she doesn't have a shot, has not endorsed her.

The democratic elites orchestrated Bidens resignation and have essentially hand-picked Kamala.

They will now pretend to have a 'fair and transparent' nomination under the veil of democracy. And our resident high IQ leftists will gobble it up and pretend they haven't been lied to for the past 4 years.

[1987_Lakers]

The democratic elites orchestrated Bidens resignation and have essentially hand-picked Kamala.

They will now pretend to have a 'fair and transparent' nomination under the veil of democracy. And our resident high IQ leftists will gobble it up and pretend they haven't been lied to for the past 4 years.

This is what it looks like. Mainstream media is already acting like Kamala is the pick even though it's not official. It's very telling.

I mean look at this shit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LffH2SS00_4

[Patrick Chewing]

In what world does anyone think Kamala has a shot of beating Trump?? By all means, make her the candidate. This is the same Kamala that got ethered by Tulsi Gabbard. The same Kamala Harris that said “We’ve been to the border” but she hasn’t LOL. The same Kamala Harris that polled 1% in her Democrat primary.

It’s over. Vote Trump and earn my friendship. It’s more important than all of this.

[Hey Yo]

Obama will have the final say as to who'll the nominee will be. He knows the cackling hyena has no chance.

[Hey Yo]

Look directly above you. He switched to his eliteballer account :oldlol:

Good call... uses same handle on different board but as a legit account.

[BurningHammer]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/21/us/politics/bidens-exit-democratic-donations.html

$50 millions and going of donation since Biden's announcement.

[1987_Lakers]

He did it again

https://worldstar.com/videos/wshhhvJpYO09b0dIi8Rs/on-target-on-july-3rd-alex-jones-predicted-joe-biden-would-step-down-on-july-21st

[BurningHammer]

He did it again

https://worldstar.com/videos/wshhhvJpYO09b0dIi8Rs/on-target-on-july-3rd-alex-jones-predicted-joe-biden-would-step-down-on-july-21st

Meh. ISH's Wardell Curry is more impressive.

[Lakers Legend#32]

In seven hours since the announcement was made:

Dems raise almost $50 million to Kamala's campaign.

Republicans are whining that this is not fair.

Trump says his convention should get a do over because he was not running against this new candidate.

Trump demands reimbursement for the millions he spent on Biden attack ads.

Fat Boy is running scared.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Don't worry MAGA cultist that your boy (at age 78) is now the oldest candidate for president ever.

78 is actually 110 in Fat F#ck Years.

[TeflonDonTrump]

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/21/us/politics/bidens-exit-democratic-donations.html

$50 millions and going of donation since Biden's announcement.

This is the money that was withheld for several months. Break it down to the average

[j3lademaster]

You expect me to believe you like Ro Khanna lol. Dude is basically Elizabeth Warren.

He’s a bit more socially libertarian, but yeah.

[rmt]

I am ashamed to say this cackling woman has Jamaican roots. She has lied about Biden's mental state (or is just plain STUPID for not seeing it everyday).

But according to the news website Jamaica Global Online, Donald Harris has “categorically” disassociated himself and his family from “this travesty” and slammed his daughter for stereo-typing her heritage for political gain. “My dear departed grandmothers as well as my deceased parents must be turning in their grave right now to see their family’s name, reputation and proud Jamaican identity being connected, in any way, jokingly or not, with the fraudulent stereotype of a pot-smoking joy seeker and in the pursuit of identity politics,” the website quoted Donald Harris as saying in a statement.

“Speaking for myself and my immediate Jamaican family, we wish to categorically dissociate ourselves from this travesty,” he said.

https://jamaica-gleaner.com/article/lead-stories/20190216/pot-smoking-joy-seekerus-presidential-hopeful-kamala-harris-faces

Donald J. Harris
Kamala Harris's father, Donald J. Harris, is Jamaican American of Afro-Jamaican ancestry. He is a Stanford University professor of economics (emeritus) who arrived in the United States from British Jamaica in 1961, for graduate study at UC Berkeley, receiving a PhD in economics in 1966.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_J._Harris

[Hey Yo]

The above article is over 5yrs old.

[eliteballer]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTCWdJAXkAA2O9w.png:large

[Lakers Legend#32]

The MAGA phony Christians said God saved Trump's life because he has a purpose for him.

That purpose is to let him live so he can see himself lose to a black woman.

[rmt]

The above article is over 5yrs old.

Yes - came out when she was running for President/primary.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Sunday Hannity spent two hours talking about how Kamala would ban plastic straws.

This is all they got?

They are scared.

[ZenMaster]

In what world does anyone think Kamala has a shot of beating Trump?? By all means, make her the candidate. This is the same Kamala that got ethered by Tulsi Gabbard. The same Kamala Harris that said “We’ve been to the border” but she hasn’t LOL. The same Kamala Harris that polled 1% in her Democrat primary.

It’s over. Vote Trump and earn my friendship. It’s more important than all of this.

Per this guy, if they can get her close enough in the polls, they'd have a shot.

https://media.scored.co/post/gi3RFJC67ICN.jpeg

[Patrick Chewing]

Per this guy, if they can get her close enough in the polls, they'd have a shot.

https://media.scored.co/post/gi3RFJC67ICN.jpeg

And the media is already dividing the country by saying that Republicans are out there being racist and misogynist towards her, when if you go on X or TikTok, you have Black women who are Liberals talking shit about her.

The best thing Trump can do now is to debate her to expose to the world how much of an idiot she really is. I mean, has anyone heard her speak? She's a buffoon. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Per this guy, if they can get her close enough in the polls, they'd have a shot.

https://media.scored.co/post/gi3RFJC67ICN.jpeg
They're really already setting up the "election was stolen" playbook despite Trump being ahead in every swing state and running against legitimately the worst candidate in modern political history?

That is fvcking SAD :lol Just being real, you come across like a whiny bitch when you claim months before hand it's going to be rigged if you lose, especially when you're in the best shape a Republican candidate has been in in 35 years.

[warriorfan]

They're really already setting up the "election was stolen" playbook despite Trump being ahead in every swing state and running against legitimately the worst candidate in modern political history?

That is fvcking SAD :lol Just being real, you come across like a whiny bitch when you claim months before hand it's going to be rigged if you lose, especially when you're in the best shape a Republican candidate has been in in over 35 years.

Addressing the fact the Dem party pretty much circumvented the democratic process for selecting a presidential candidate is ”SAD”?

Hmmm. Interesting take…

[highwhey]

Per this guy, if they can get her close enough in the polls, they'd have a shot.

https://media.scored.co/post/gi3RFJC67ICN.jpeg

oh sh1t, someone on the internet said it so it MUST be real!

[ZenMaster]

They're really already setting up the "election was stolen" playbook despite Trump being ahead in every swing state and running against legitimately the worst candidate in modern political history?

That is fvcking SAD :lol Just being real, you come across like a whiny bitch when you claim months before hand it's going to be rigged if you lose, especially when you're in the best shape a Republican candidate has been in in 35 years.

I do agree with you, a loss obviously doesn't equate to a stolen election.

[Off the Court]

It certainly feels like Kamala is building a ton of steam, she just locked up Beyonce music and that is going to appeal to young and middle aged people much more than Trump who is now the old man.

And if Kamala wins, will there be another Jan 6? Probably.

[Patrick Chewing]

It certainly feels like Kamala is building a ton of steam, she just locked up Beyonce music and that is going to appeal to young and middle aged people much more than Trump who is now the old man.

And if Kamala wins, will there be another Jan 6? Probably.

We're going to invade your house if Kamala wins. So be careful what you wish for.


I personally will take a dump in your living room floor and set it on fire as protest.

[SouBeachTalents]

It certainly feels like Kamala is building a ton of steam, she just locked up Beyonce music and that is going to appeal to young and middle aged people much more than Trump who is now the old man.

And if Kamala wins, will there be another Jan 6? Probably.
I understand the Democrats received huge donations since Biden stepped down, but imo the enthusiasm seems really forced by the Democrats desperate to change the momentum of this race. 4 days ago she was still a widely unpopular VP, one who received 0% in the primary 4 years ago, I just don't believe voters are genuinely excited that she's the nominee, even if they're relieved that Biden's gone.

I feel like once she enters the public arena on a daily basis, people will see how truly unimpressive she is as a candidate. While not the perfect example, it reminds me of Sarah Palin. The Republicans were excited when she first joined the ticket, it breathed new life into the campaign, and she even helped McCain take a slight lead at one point. But one she was put into public spotlight, it all came crashing down, she exposed herself for lacking even basic knowledge about the world and being comically unqualified to potentially be president.

I'm not saying Kamala's situation is exactly the same, but I do believe it will play out in a similar manner. Once she's making speeches and doing interviews on a regular basis, people will see how remarkably uncharismatic and lacking in political skill she is, and this time around, I do not believe the anti Trump vote will be enough to carry them across the finish line like it was in 2020.

[ZenMaster]

And the media is already dividing the country by saying that Republicans are out there being racist and misogynist towards her, when if you go on X or TikTok, you have Black women who are Liberals talking shit about her.

The best thing Trump can do now is to debate her to expose to the world how much of an idiot she really is. I mean, has anyone heard her speak? She's a buffoon. :oldlol:

What's happening right now is a democrat campaign through the media, meant to convince democrat voters that Harris is the correct choice and that she can win. This is a candidate who only got a small percentage of the vote in the primaries and who's more or less been hid away in the last years, yet she's about to become the dem candidate while never having being elected. This campaign comes with polling too, saying she's ahead of Trump.

A lot of democrats didn't want her to be the nominee - and for good reason - so they have to get them to fall in line and the best way is to make it appear that she can beat Trump.

It works too, even here on ISH you can see OTC with the "Oh wow she's picking up steam" post.

[Charlie Sheen]

I understand the Democrats received huge donations since Biden stepped down, but imo the enthusiasm seems really forced by the Democrats desperate to change the momentum of this race. 4 days ago she was still a widely unpopular VP, one who received 0% in the primary 4 years ago, I just don't believe voters are genuinely excited that she's the nominee, even if they're relieved that Biden's gone.

I feel like once she enters the public arena on a daily basis, people will see how truly unimpressive she is as a candidate. While not the perfect example, it reminds me of Sarah Palin. The Republicans were excited when she first joined the ticket, it breathed new life into the campaign, and she even helped McCain take a slight lead at one point. But one she was put into public spotlight, it all came crashing down, she exposed herself for lacking even basic knowledge about the world and being comically unqualified to potentially be president.

I'm not saying Kamala's situation is exactly the same, but I do believe it will play out in a similar manner. Once she's making speeches and doing interviews on a regular basis, people will see how remarkably uncharismatic and lacking in political skill she is, and this time around, I do not believe the anti Trump vote will be enough to carry them across the finish line like it was in 2020.

Trump has an advantage this time around... ironically because he is not the incumbent. Voters showing up for this election that have not voted consistently are not going to care why cost of living is squeezing their budget. They do not care about the situation Trump left for the Biden administration.

I am not so sure the dems want to see higher voter turnout this election. The republicans know Harris is losing a lot of that anti support to RFK... that is why they are funding him :lol

[Off the Court]

I understand the Democrats received huge donations since Biden stepped down, but imo the enthusiasm seems really forced by the Democrats desperate to change the momentum of this race. 4 days ago she was still a widely unpopular VP, one who received 0% in the primary 4 years ago, I just don't believe voters are genuinely excited that she's the nominee, even if they're relieved that Biden's gone.

I feel like once she enters the public arena on a daily basis, people will see how truly unimpressive she is as a candidate. While not the perfect example, it reminds me of Sarah Palin. The Republicans were excited when she first joined the ticket, it breathed new life into the campaign, and she even helped McCain take a slight lead at one point. But one she was put into public spotlight, it all came crashing down, she exposed herself for lacking even basic knowledge about the world and being comically unqualified to potentially be president.

I'm not saying Kamala's situation is exactly the same, but I do believe it will play out in a similar manner. Once she's making speeches and doing interviews on a regular basis, people will see how remarkably uncharismatic and lacking in political skill she is, and this time around, I do not believe the anti Trump vote will be enough to carry them across the finish line like it was in 2020.

I think people will suddenly be relieved that we have someone to vote for that isn't in their 80s. Believe it or not much of the country didn't know who she was until now, we still have a large percentage of the population that doesn't really follow politics and they only know who the POTUS is. I think it's possible much of her approval rating was simple because she is linked to Biden.

I'm not saying she is going to win for sure, but I do feel like the odds have increased.

Latest poll:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

[ILLsmak]

I think people will suddenly be relieved that we have someone to vote for that isn't in their 80s. Believe it or not much of the country didn't know who she was until now, we still have a large percentage of the population that doesn't really follow politics and they only know who the POTUS is. I think it's possible much of her approval rating was simple because she is linked to Biden.

I'm not saying she is going to win for sure, but I do feel like the odds have increased.

Latest poll:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

online poll. Hmm.

I dunno. I mean she COULD win. I think they'd be better off with someone else.

They could actually put someone in there who could beat Trump. Why they are keeping her is a mystery. Even if she could beat Trump, you have to admit this is the best outcome he could have hoped for other than Biden.

edit: pollz https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_president/index.html

-Smak

[Off the Court]

online poll. Hmm.

I dunno. I mean she COULD win. I think they'd be better off with someone else.

They could actually put someone in there who could beat Trump. Why they are keeping her is a mystery. Even if she could beat Trump, you have to admit this is the best outcome he could have hoped for other than Biden.

edit: pollz https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/national_president/index.html

-Smak


We have to see what the polls are showing for the swing states in a couple weeks to get a real idea, because those are the only places where the polling matters. It doesn't matter who is polling better in California or Texas we already know those outcomes, we need to know who is polling better in Georgia and Pennsylvania.

[ILLsmak]

We have to see what the polls are showing for the swing states in a couple weeks to get a real idea, because those are the only places where the polling matters. It doesn't matter who is polling better in California or Texas we already know those outcomes, we need to know who is polling better in Georgia and Pennsylvania.

Yea I think the swing states are gonna be worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPQpRRPT5BU I didn't watch that til now, kinda listening to it. It's bad. haha. Just even listening to her opening. She doesn't have it. Even Biden was better off in 2020. She needs to be removed. She doesn't have charisma or strength or anything.

I knew people were talking shit about how this was giving them chills. Eee. haha. I mean, Hillary could pump a crowd. Joe could even pump a crowd a little. She really does seem like a grade school teacher.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gesCDlUFVQ Remember when Hillary got rained on? I love that vid, but it goes to show how much better she was. A president has to project strength in some way. Kammy is toast.

Anything can happen, but there is no reason she should win. It's just a bad look for democrats.

-Smak

[ZenMaster]

I think people will suddenly be relieved that we have someone to vote for that isn't in their 80s. Believe it or not much of the country didn't know who she was until now, we still have a large percentage of the population that doesn't really follow politics and they only know who the POTUS is. I think it's possible much of her approval rating was simple because she is linked to Biden.

I'm not saying she is going to win for sure, but I do feel like the odds have increased.

Latest poll:
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/harris-leads-trump-44-42-us-presidential-race-reutersipsos-poll-finds-2024-07-23/?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=Social

Primaries finished not long ago, how come you were happy to vote for someone in their 80s just then?

[Off the Court]

That speech was refreshing to me because Joe simply had no crowd or cheers. He could barely even talk, which is why he was removed. She has way more energy and charisma than Joe did. Come debate time she will erase Joe's performance which was more or less his final straw.

[Off the Court]

Primaries finished not long ago, how come you were happy to vote for someone in their 80s just then?

On the Dem side I don't think anyone even knows who Joe was up against. He was the incumbent so it was a given he would return. On the GOP side I have no idea lol

[bladefd]

Per this guy, if they can get her close enough in the polls, they'd have a shot.

https://media.scored.co/post/gi3RFJC67ICN.jpeg

You are such a clown posting clear propaganda without any self-awareness. Zero self-awareness after 2020.

[ILLsmak]

That speech was refreshing to me because Joe simply had no crowd or cheers. He could barely even talk, which is why he was removed. She has way more energy and charisma than Joe did. Come debate time she will erase Joe's performance which was more or less his final straw.

You know, I'm not really pro Dem these days, but I feel that you really want to get into it, like you want something to be excited for, so I don't wanna be like nah nah nah.

Joe was bad at talking, but he still did better at giving a speech than she could. It's simple things like... how her voice changes, how much she bounces, she just doesn't seem in control. She's a really bad politician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bSTqokjNEE

she doesn't COMMAND anything. Look at this clown for comparison. And we know he is an ATG clown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3TY2A2mJU

But he could deliver lines, he didn't laugh, he didn't shift his position a ton and bounce. His voice didn't crack. We've seen these people for years and years, and we even saw a woman who was good at it (Hillary.) That reprimanding your kids sort of tone isn't gonna cut it, imo.

We'll see, though. I would like to see her wiped out, but that's gonna be hard if they wanna keep the money haha. This is an unprecedented situation, and Joe Biden was a potato, but she is just as bad in her own way, and I can't say for sure who actually would have a better chance of winning an election. At least Joe, for all of his flaws, has said some memorable stuff. You can superimpose the Joe of the past and think we'll he's just a little older now. This girl is just trash. It's shocking to even think she could be the nominee, and as I said, I hope she won't. It probably doesn't matter so much who the president is, but she is lacking in other ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccMB2KvGQ44 look at Biden. He still did OK. I'm gonna keep posting random vids haha. Nah, but anyway... peace, I dunno, but Kammy is def trash. I know they might be shoving her down your throat, but I hope they get their mind right.

The whole rhythm of how she speaks is wrong. She can't be an effective figurehead.

-Smak

[bladefd]

They're really already setting up the "election was stolen" playbook despite Trump being ahead in every swing state and running against legitimately the worst candidate in modern political history?

That is fvcking SAD :lol Just being real, you come across like a whiny bitch when you claim months before hand it's going to be rigged if you lose, especially when you're in the best shape a Republican candidate has been in in 35 years.

Absolutely on point. Republicans have become so predictable. "if we win, it's because Donald is so great. If we lose, it's because of election Fraud."

It's ridiculous and another reason why people like zenmaster are a laughingstock on here.

[bladefd]

I understand the Democrats received huge donations since Biden stepped down, but imo the enthusiasm seems really forced by the Democrats desperate to change the momentum of this race. 4 days ago she was still a widely unpopular VP, one who received 0% in the primary 4 years ago, I just don't believe voters are genuinely excited that she's the nominee, even if they're relieved that Biden's gone.

I feel like once she enters the public arena on a daily basis, people will see how truly unimpressive she is as a candidate. While not the perfect example, it reminds me of Sarah Palin. The Republicans were excited when she first joined the ticket, it breathed new life into the campaign, and she even helped McCain take a slight lead at one point. But one she was put into public spotlight, it all came crashing down, she exposed herself for lacking even basic knowledge about the world and being comically unqualified to potentially be president.

I'm not saying Kamala's situation is exactly the same, but I do believe it will play out in a similar manner. Once she's making speeches and doing interviews on a regular basis, people will see how remarkably uncharismatic and lacking in political skill she is, and this time around, I do not believe the anti Trump vote will be enough to carry them across the finish line like it was in 2020.

Definitely agree it was a mistake moving Harris to the top of the ticket. They should have switched the entire ticket imo.

[ZenMaster]

On the Dem side I don't think anyone even knows who Joe was up against. He was the incumbent so it was a given he would return. On the GOP side I have no idea lol

He was in his 80s and cognitively impaired like you said. But you had to vote for him because he was the incumbent, even though you've pointed out over and over through the last years that no one ever voted for him to begin with, but were just voting against Trump instead.

2016: Most popular candidate is pressured to drop out and dems vote for someone they don't like.
2020: Dems vote for someone they don't like, because he's the candidate.
2024: Dems vote for someone they don't like, because he's the candidate and no one even knows the name of his opponents.
Also 2024: Dems make someone no one has ever vote for their candidate for President.

On the GOP side it's because people love Trump, both DeSantis and Haley went up against him and got blown out.

[ZenMaster]

You are such a clown posting clear propaganda without any self-awareness. Zero self-awareness after 2020.

It's his summary of 2020, you're welcome to prove otherwise if you disagree.

[Off the Court]

You know, I'm not really pro Dem these days, but I feel that you really want to get into it, like you want something to be excited for, so I don't wanna be like nah nah nah.

Joe was bad at talking, but he still did better at giving a speech than she could. It's simple things like... how her voice changes, how much she bounces, she just doesn't seem in control. She's a really bad politician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bSTqokjNEE

she doesn't COMMAND anything. Look at this clown for comparison. And we know he is an ATG clown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cB3TY2A2mJU

But he could deliver lines, he didn't laugh, he didn't shift his position a ton and bounce. His voice didn't crack. We've seen these people for years and years, and we even saw a woman who was good at it (Hillary.) That reprimanding your kids sort of tone isn't gonna cut it, imo.

We'll see, though. I would like to see her wiped out, but that's gonna be hard if they wanna keep the money haha. This is an unprecedented situation, and Joe Biden was a potato, but she is just as bad in her own way, and I can't say for sure who actually would have a better chance of winning an election. At least Joe, for all of his flaws, has said some memorable stuff. You can superimpose the Joe of the past and think we'll he's just a little older now. This girl is just trash. It's shocking to even think she could be the nominee, and as I said, I hope she won't. It probably doesn't matter so much who the president is, but she is lacking in other ways.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccMB2KvGQ44 look at Biden. He still did OK. I'm gonna keep posting random vids haha. Nah, but anyway... peace, I dunno, but Kammy is def trash. I know they might be shoving her down your throat, but I hope they get their mind right.

The whole rhythm of how she speaks is wrong. She can't be an effective figurehead.

-Smak

Yeah Biden was actually good at addressing the nation, I agree with that. But it is unfair to compare that video if Kamala speaking off her chest addressing a room at some random white house event to Biden addressing the entire nation which by nature would be pre-written with power and staged with dramatic lighting. Biden was awful at small events speaking from his mind like that, that's where the right got all their ammo.

I don't think Kamala is amazing or anything, but I definitely think she is step up from what was and reason for voters to raise an eye brow.

[Off the Court]

Definitely agree it was a mistake moving Harris to the top of the ticket. They should have switched the entire ticket imo.

Kamala polled better than anyone not named Michelle Obama who wants nothing to do with this mess.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/graphic%201%20jpeg_5.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

It's honestly inexcusable for the Dems to just straight up give Kamala the nomination. I know some people feared an open convention would potentially cause chaos and strife within the party, but seriously, nobody even voted for Harris to be the nominee. To not give people the opportunity to even vote and decide who they want their candidate to be, imo mostly because they're too politically correct to say a black woman shouldn't be the nom, is going to blow up in their face.

Trump would be the favorite regardless, but I feel like genuinely any other candidate would've at least given the Democrats a shot, Kamala is a dead woman walking.

[Patrick Chewing]

Kamala polled better than anyone not named Michelle Obama who wants nothing to do with this mess.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/graphic%201%20jpeg_5.jpg

There is no way that Trump and Biden remained in a "dead heat" after that disastrous performance by Joe Biden.


Shit is so comical and unbelievable :oldlol:. I mean, the guy is literally out of the race now.

[Off the Court]

It's honestly inexcusable for the Dems to just straight up give Kamala the nomination. I know some people feared an open convention would potentially cause chaos and strife within the party, but seriously, nobody even voted for Harris to be the nominee. To not give people the opportunity to even vote and decide who they want their candidate to be, imo mostly because they're too politically correct to say a black woman shouldn't be the nom, is going to blow up in their face.

Trump would be the favorite regardless, but I feel like genuinely any other candidate would've at least given the Democrats a shot, Kamala is a dead woman walking.

I viewed as it defaults to her. She was voted in as the VP to Joe Biden, in the primaries. Joe Biden drops out, and the entire role of the VP is to take their place in that situation.

[bladefd]

It's his summary of 2020, you're welcome to prove otherwise if you disagree.

No, it's not for me to prove the non-existence of something. It's on him making the claims to prove his case of widespread voter fraud.

[Off the Court]

There is no way that Trump and Biden remained in a "dead heat" after that disastrous performance by Joe Biden.


Shit is so comical and unbelievable :oldlol:. I mean, the guy is literally out of the race now.

That is looking at it through an angle of total votes, which Biden might have won.

It isn't looking at it through the swing states which is all that matters and Trump was leading all of them.

[rmt]

This woman is gag-worthy. She goes around saying Biden's legacy is unmatched in modern history - that in 1 term he has surpassed legacy of most presidents in 2 terms. If he's so great, why is he so unpopular with ratings in the 30s. Or maybe she's so short-sighted that modern history is only 3 1/2 years. And it's followed by a hint for audience to clap at this blatant falsehood and her cackling laugh - ugh.

[bladefd]

Kamala polled better than anyone not named Michelle Obama who wants nothing to do with this mess.

https://www.ipsos.com/sites/default/files/inline-images/graphic%201%20jpeg_5.jpg

I would rather have a Newsom/Whitmore ticket tbh. Together.

[Off the Court]

I would rather have a Newsom/Whitmore ticket tbh. Together.

One of those could still be the VP, but I think Newsom is viewed as a bit of an extremist. Although to common voters he probably unknown.

[SouBeachTalents]

I viewed as it defaults to her. She was voted in as the VP to Joe Biden, in the primaries. Joe Biden drops out, and the entire role of the VP is to take their place in that situation.
Let's be real though, let's say either of the Bush's had to step down after one term, do you really think the Republicans would just let Quayle or Cheney get the party's nomination unopposed? I don't think it'd go down like that :lol I think they'd have more political sense than to just let an unpopular VP become the nominee automatically.

[ZenMaster]

No, it's not for me to prove the non-existence of something. It's on him making the claims to prove his case of widespread voter fraud.

I bet he feels like it's already been proven to the extent possible, considering the cover up he mentioned.

[Off the Court]

Let's be real though, let's say either of the Bush's had to step down after one term, do you really think the Republicans would just let Quayle or Cheney get the party's nomination unopposed? I don't think it'd go down like that :lol I think they'd have more political sense than to just let an unpopular VP become the nominee automatically.

I do agree that rules need to be set in stone after this, there doesn't seem to be anything. This is uncharted territory.

[ZenMaster]

Let's be real though, let's say either of the Bush's had to step down after one term, do you really think the Republicans would just let Quayle or Cheney get the party's nomination unopposed? I don't think it'd go down like that :lol I think they'd have more political sense than to just let an unpopular VP become the nominee automatically.

You're being gaslit, dems are in the process of convincing each other that she's a good candidate, the right candidate. Stuff about her is currently being scrubbed off the internet and the past re-written.

[Off the Court]

You're being gaslit, dems are in the process of convincing each other that she's a good candidate, the right candidate. Stuff about her is currently being scrubbed off the internet and the past re-written.

Under that line of thinking every politician ever is gaslighting the population.

[ZenMaster]

Under that line of thinking every politician ever is gaslighting the population.

Not in the context of what we're discussing here though.

The worst thing that could happen to the dem party right now is if other members of the dem party or the groups of voters vocally and publicly expressed dismay about the fact that no one has ever voted for her.
You need everyone in line, including the media to run interference to even have a chance for her to win, and this is what they're doing. E.g they're trying to pretend that Biden never said she was the main person to deal with border issues, that she had nothing to do with it - and they're changing history to make it seem like it's true. The truth is that he did state that she was the main person to take care of border issues.
.
And why is important for them to change this? Because she's on the record arguing for an open border.

[diamenz]

Not in the context of what we're discussing here though.

The worst thing that could happen to the dem party right now is if other members of the dem party or the groups of voters vocally and publicly expressed dismay about the fact that no one has ever voted for her.
You need everyone in line, including the media to run interference to even have a chance for her to win, and this is what they're doing. E.g they're trying to pretend that Biden never said she was the main person to deal with border issues, that she had nothing to do with it - and they're changing history to make it seem like it's true. The truth is that he did state that she was the main person to take care of border issues, and that she's for open borders.

i told you guys a few days ago when biden endorsed her - you're going to see the most aggressive propaganda campaign of all time from the dems from now until november. it's gonna be relentless.

[diamenz]

kamala is going to end up making us wish we had back biden lmao. she's just that terribad.

[rmt]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2024/07/24/president_biden_diversity_equality_inclusion_are_l iterally_the_core_strengths_of_america_and_it_star ts_at_the_top_with_the_vice_president.html

Didn't anyone pass the memo to Biden? Don't think this quiets the Harris DEI talk - maybe he mentions the phrase "think of the N word when anyone mentions Harris/DEI" later on in the video?

[Off the Court]

kamala is going to end up making us wish we had back biden lmao. she's just that terribad.

What makes her so terribad?

[Off the Court]

I think that whatever it is that makes Kamala so awful, it is a lot less clear or definable than the things that make both Biden and Trump bad picks.

Everyone in here is biased and already has their side chosen, but to the common voter who is less invested and is now paying attention to Kamala for the first time? I think that person is going to have a more difficult time seeing the negatives in Kamala as opposed to Biden or Trump.

[diamenz]

What makes her so terribad?

have you heard her speak? have you heard the cackle? don't you die a little bit inside every time you hear it?

...and there's literally no policy stance. she's flip-flopped from being pro-m4a to gooning for the insurance companies and everything in between.

...you jumping on the kamala train?

[Off the Court]

have you heard her speak? have you heard the cackle? don't you die a little bit inside every time you hear it?

...and there's literally no policy stance. she's flip-flopped from being pro-m4a to gooning for the insurance companies and everything in between.

...you jumping on the kamala train?

I'd vote for dead body over Trump so of course I am going Kamala, like I said we are all biased in here, but for the average Joe who is now paying attention to her for the first time? I don't think her cackle is going to be a vote changer, and it shouldn't be.

[diamenz]

of course I am going Kamala,

eek. godspeed bro.

[warriorfan]

eek. godspeed bro.

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

I'd vote for dead body over Trump so of course I am going Kamala, like I said we are all biased in here, but for the average Joe who is now paying attention to her for the first time? I don't think her cackle is going to be a vote changer, and it shouldn't be.

I'm so curious. Why are you a Democrat? I cannot comprehend why people vote Democrat. Please explain.

[Off the Court]

I'm so curious. Why are you a Democrat? I cannot comprehend why people vote Democrat. Please explain.

Where to start lol. Trickle down doesn't work, Dems believe in science, they are on the correct side of abortion and gun control, they don't base their laws around the Bible, they aren't overrun by retarded conspiracy theories, I could go forever. But real talk if the GOP had anything other than Trump I would have considered it over Biden.

Now why are you a Republican? Let me guess, purple hair and trans people which make up less than 1% of the population :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Where to start lol. Trickle down doesn't work, Dems believe in science, they are on the correct side of abortion and gun control, they don't base their laws around the Bible, they aren't overrun by retarded conspiracy theories, I could go forever. But real talk if the GOP had anything other than Trump I would have considered it over Biden.

Now why are you a Republican? Let me guess, purple hair and trans people which make up less than 1% of the population :oldlol:

Wow....so much to unpack here.

1. Wealth distribution doesn't work either
2. Republicans don't believe in Science? What does that statement even mean that Dems believe in Science? :oldlol:
3. Correct side of abortion and gun control? What is the correct side? And who are you to determine what the correct side is? And Republicans believe in gun control too.
4. What laws are based on the Bible?? The country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, but the country also has Separation of Church and State. So that statement you made is FALSE.

[AKA_AAP]

I'm so curious. Why are you a Democrat? I cannot comprehend why people vote Democrat. Please explain.

Have you seen his lifestyle? He's a a democrat because he is low income and want to be sugar daddy'd by the governmnet. He is anti-American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. He is a sucker AND a loser.

[Patrick Chewing]

Have you seen his lifestyle? He's a a democrat because he is low income and want to be sugar daddy'd by the governmnet. He is anti-American and doesn't believe in the American Dream. He is a sucker AND a loser.

He's definitely Anti-American. He's a Anti-God and Anti-Christian. One reason I don't like Democrats is cause the majority of Atheists in this country and around the world are in fact Liberal.

And they sort of justify this belief with what you saw him write up there that "they believe in Science" as if Science somehow disproves God. That's how they rationalize and live with themselves I suppose when they reject God on a daily basis..."Well, at least I'm pro-Science." "There's no God cause Science cannot prove God and since I believe in Science, then there is no God." It's funny cause Science can prove that Men and Women are different, but I guess that's where Liberals draw the line :oldlol:.


And Liberals are arrogant too. Notice how he writes "Dems believe in Science, they are on the correct side of abortion" :oldlol:. Get a load of this guy. Who died and made him.....God?? :oldlol:

[ILLsmak]

I'm so curious. Why are you a Democrat? I cannot comprehend why people vote Democrat. Please explain.

I should be a democrat. Haha. Populism is a democratic concept imo, it’s just used to manipulate like many other ‘moral causes’ are. People twist and redefine every word on the internet or in print, they create meme meanings and repeat them. It’s imperative to reach a common understanding before you begin, otherwise both sides dig in and meme each other.

The question is what does democrat mean -to you.- Agree upon what the cores of your disagreement actually mean and then you can engage in discussion.

I think you’ll find that a lot of us are closer than you think. We are probably more similar in our political views than we are about basketball. We came here because of a common interest. We have two intersecting lines which cut off a good portion of people: basketball and the internet. Further, people who like to talk about basketball ON the internet.

Call in Kamala and we can make a Venn Diagram.

-Smak

[rmt]

I should be a democrat. Haha. Populism is a democratic concept imo, it’s just used to manipulate like many other ‘moral causes’ are. People twist and redefine every word on the internet or in print, they create meme meanings and repeat them. It’s imperative to reach a common understanding before you begin, otherwise both sides dig in and meme each other.

The question is what does democrat mean -to you.- Agree upon what the cores of your disagreement actually mean and then you can engage in discussion.

I think you’ll find that a lot of us are closer than you think. We are probably more similar in our political views than we are about basketball. We came here because of a common interest. We have two intersecting lines which cut off a good portion of people: basketball and the internet. Further, people who like to talk about basketball ON the internet.

Call in Kamala and we can make a Venn Diagram.

-Smak

LOL

[Doomsday Dallas]

Where to start lol. Trickle down doesn't work, Dems believe in science, they are on the correct side of abortion and gun control, they don't base their laws around the Bible, they aren't overrun by retarded conspiracy theories, I could go forever. But real talk if the GOP had anything other than Trump I would have considered it over Biden.

Now why are you a Republican? Let me guess, purple hair and trans people which make up less than 1% of the population :oldlol:




https://youtu.be/NhX-pWMtacU?si=WrWl1NRSZM0

[j3lademaster]

Wow....so much to unpack here.

1. Wealth distribution doesn't work either
2. Republicans don't believe in Science? What does that statement even mean that Dems believe in Science? :oldlol:
3. Correct side of abortion and gun control? What is the correct side? And who are you to determine what the correct side is? And Republicans believe in gun control too.
4. What laws are based on the Bible?? The country was founded on Judeo-Christian beliefs, but the country also has Separation of Church and State. So that statement you made is FALSE.wealth distribution is better than trickle down. If middle class and below get money, they’re forced to spend on everyday necessities which puts money back into circulation, whereas if you try trickle down by infusing money into Wall Street and corporations, they will just buy their own stocks and create a bubble. What this means is they will borrow against their own stocks from the banks, and use the money they borrow to to buy more of their own stock so it’s inflated because the stock isn’t actually backed up by the faith of the market but rather artificially by its shareholders. That creates a money multiplier that puts more dollars in the economy and inflates everything. Nothing was created here, nothing was improved, no jobs were added… just creating more money to enrich the 1%. It’s why we see huge inflation when it comes to CEO pay but staff 1 accountants WITH MASTERS DEGREES are still starting at below 60k at the big 4’s. Our entire bull market is like 2x what it’s really worth right now, so Gen x, boomers and to a lesser degree the older millennials like myself(I’m 37)who have been in the work force for a few years and have built up our investments are sitting pretty, but it comes at the cost of gating newer generations to, say, trying to buy a home and trying to start their investing in a market that’s been bull for years.

[ZenMaster]

What makes her so terribad?

She's another hollow politician who can be controlled and will argue for things like open borders because of it, beholden to the masters of the dem party as they try to gain full power in the future by making illegal aliens legal.

Then you also have that whole Jussie Smollet hoax which she was connected to, she probably dodged a bullet not getting outed there somehow.

Biden made her the face of DEI as well, which a lot of people don't support.

https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.nLck3KGP7rCFPktR0ScoaAAAAA?rs=1&pid=ImgDetMain

[RRR3]

Jesus Christ I can’t even imagine the level of uninformed you have to be to think Kamala of all people is for an open border :yaohappy:

She’s a ****ing cop

[ZenMaster]

Jesus Christ I can’t even imagine the level of uninformed you have to be to think Kamala of all people is for an open border :yaohappy:

She’s a ****ing cop

She was a lawyer who wanted to move up really bad. Now as a politician, she's on the record stating that "undocumented immigrants shouldn't be treated criminally". If there are no consequences to crossing a border illegaly, it's by effect open. Simple logic.
Her being the border czar for Biden these last three years, it all aligns with the crazy number of illegal immigrants entering the country, because she's the same as Joe and the top of the dem party.

[Patrick Chewing]

Jesus Christ I can’t even imagine the level of uninformed you have to be to think Kamala of all people is for an open border :yaohappy:

She’s a ****ing cop

She's a fraud. She hasn't been to the border and makes no statements about how serious and dire the situation is. Democrats see illegal aliens as future voters. It's so obvious too. They will never do anything about illegal immigrants flowing into this country.

[RRR3]

Maybe you guys should turn off Fox News and read non-partisan media, and you'd realize Biden is actually fairly similar to you.

https://jacobin.com/2023/01/joe-biden-immigration-policy-xenophobia-right-wingers-borders-refugees

[j3lademaster]

She was a lawyer who wanted to move up really bad. Now as a politician, she's on the record stating that "undocumented immigrants shouldn't be treated criminally". If there are no consequences to crossing a border illegaly, it's by effect open. Simple logic.
Her being the border czar for Biden these last three years, it all aligns with the crazy number of illegal immigrants entering the country, because she's the same as Joe and the top of the dem party.Biden’s latest bill was opposed by Republicans.


“I will not help the Democrats try to improve this man’s dismal approval ratings. I’m not going to do it. Why would I? Chuck Schumer has had H.R. 2 on his desk since July. And he did nothing with it,” Nehls added.

https://newrepublic.com/post/177876/house-republican-admits-wont-back-border-bill-help-biden

And the president can’t magically snap his fingers and make something happen, there’s a democratic process and the house is a republican majority.

[RRR3]

Biden’s latest bill was opposed by Republicans.



https://newrepublic.com/post/177876/house-republican-admits-wont-back-border-bill-help-biden

And the president can’t magically snap his fingers and make something happen, there’s a democratic process and the house is a republican majority.
ZenMaster only trusts news from OAN, 4chan and Breitbart. Good luck.

[ZenMaster]

Biden’s latest bill was opposed by Republicans.



https://newrepublic.com/post/177876/house-republican-admits-wont-back-border-bill-help-biden

And the president can’t magically snap his fingers and make something happen, there’s a democratic process and the house is a republican majority.

You make it sound like it's something he's fought really hard to get better for a long time, but it's a lie. Biden removed rules that Trump put in place, encouraged and assisted immigrants to come through NGOs. The whole administration and dem party then looked the other way for 3 years, pretending there is no issue at all, before entering election year when they put up some bills to fix the rules they themselves removed and put in a bunch of other stuff as well not related to the border at all. It's all just politicis and narrative building, I've seen the hearings of Mayorkas over the years how he lied and downplayed everything.

Lie after lie after lie:


https://youtu.be/JH2Wvh3c6sU



ZenMaster only trusts news from OAN, 4chan and Breitbart. Good luck.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GTR4zY4WUAAqepD?format=jpg&name=900x900

[RRR3]

https://jacobin.com/2023/01/joe-biden-immigration-policy-xenophobia-right-wingers-borders-refugees


Yawn

[ZenMaster]

Super yawn


https://youtu.be/JH2Wvh3c6sU

https://media.scored.co/post/GwfvDG2hc1B3.jpeg

[RRR3]

You didn't even read the article :facepalm

Absolutely pathetic behavior

[ZenMaster]

You didn't even read the article :facepalm

Absolutely pathetic behavior

You didn't watch the video before posting your article. Had you done so and paid attention, you'd have figured out that they've been circumventing their own policies.

Do you think it's just by magic the numbers are so much higher during this current administration?

[RRR3]

You didn't watch the video before posting your article. Had you done so and paid attention, you'd have figured out that they've been circumventing their own policies.

Do you think it's just by magic the numbers are so much higher during this current administration?
Why would I watch your far-right propaganda videos? You're an unhinged partisan.

Yeah I'm sure they're not as bad as Trump on the border, I never said they were, but the fact that you take that to mean that they're open border is proof you are incapable of nuance.

[ZenMaster]

Why would I watch your far-right propaganda videos? You're an unhinged partisan.

Yeah I'm sure they're not as bad as Trump on the border, I never said they were, but the fact that you take that to mean that they're open border is proof you are incapable of nuance.

You always end up revealing your scummy hypocritical self.
I did read your article, it's theoretical non result based information, meant to fire up the "oh they're all equally bad let's have anarchy instead" crowd.

[RRR3]

*incoherent fascist shrieking*
No, you just think anyone to the left of Mussolini is a communist :lol

Biden was literally having families separated and migrants whipped by riders on horsebacks at the border, but please tell us how much he loves immigrants :oldlol:

[jstern]

No, you just think anyone to the left of Mussolini is a communist :lol

Biden was literally having families separated and migrants whipped by riders on horsebacks at the border, but please tell us how much he loves immigrants :oldlol:

It's amazing that you think these migrants were whipped by border patrol agents. It's like you live in MSNBC, CNN, and are only exposed to a particular type of news. You're so misinformed, it should make anyone question anything you have to say about anything.

Please remove my avatar from your account.

[RRR3]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/image.php?u=83917&dateline=1558475545

[Patrick Chewing]

No, you just think anyone to the left of Mussolini is a communist :lol

Biden was literally having families separated and migrants whipped by riders on horsebacks at the border, but please tell us how much he loves immigrants :oldlol:

This was proven to be FALSE.


Take the L and go home. Oh wait, you never leave the house to begin with. Take the L and go to bed.

[RRR3]

This was proven to be FALSE.


Take the L and go home. Oh wait, you never leave the house to begin with. Take the L and go to bed.
Proven by who? I can admit when I'm wrong, so fair enough if you show me proof, but even if that's true he still separated families at the border. No matter how hard you try to spin it, Biden has not treated people at the border with humanity. Weird you're defending Biden all of a sudden.

[ZenMaster]

No, you just think anyone to the left of Mussolini is a communist :lol

Biden was literally having families separated and migrants whipped by riders on horsebacks at the border, but please tell us how much he loves immigrants :oldlol:

Says the guy who just classified an exchange between Senator Hawley and Mayorkas as a far right propaganda video... I know you're not very bright, it's why you trying to make it, equated to selling dimebags locally, but you're going to have to try harder than posting fake news.


https://youtu.be/CVYH2S5RiMs

Biden loves immigrants so much that he thinks the ones who come illegally should be allowed to stay:


https://youtu.be/1-Yh4OyQ2xw

[RRR3]

Says the guy who just classified an exchange between Senator Hawley and Mayorkas as a far right propaganda video... I know you're not very bright, it's why you trying to make it, equated to selling dimebags locally, but you're going to have to try harder than posting fake news.


https://youtu.be/CVYH2S5RiMs

Biden loves immigrants so much that he thinks the ones who come illegally should be allowed to stay:


https://youtu.be/1-Yh4OyQ2xw
Biden says a lot of things. He's a liar. Why would you believe him trying to pander to the left?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

If he believed what he was saying, he wouldn't have been deporting anyone at all, let alone thousands. And yeah, Josh Hawley is a far-right lunatic who isn't a reliable source on anything. He used to be my senator, I'm quite familiar with him.

[Patrick Chewing]

Proven by who? I can admit when I'm wrong, so fair enough if you show me proof, but even if that's true he still separated families at the border. No matter how hard you try to spin it, Biden has not treated people at the border with humanity. Weird you're defending Biden all of a sudden.

It’s out there. Go find it. No one was whipped at the border.

What proof do you have that they were whipped?

[RRR3]

It’s out there. Go find it. No one was whipped at the border.

What proof do you have that they were whipped?
You made the claim, it's on you to provide the link. Can't do it, stop complaining. Notice you avoided the rest too, very suspicious behavior, Chewy!

[ZenMaster]

Biden says a lot of things. He's a liar. Why would you believe him trying to pander to the left?

https://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/biden-deportation-record

If he believed what he was saying, he wouldn't have been deporting anyone at all, let alone thousands. And yeah, Josh Hawley is a far-right lunatic who isn't a reliable source on anything. He used to be my senator, I'm quite familiar with him.

Because the people actually knowing about it says he wasn't lying, it's also more important how many get through without being caught and doesn't figure in the numbers.


https://youtu.be/CVYH2S5RiMs


A basic logical question for for you:

A) 100 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
B) 200 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
C) 400 people cross a river and 150 of them are told they have to go back.

Which scenario end up with both more people crossing and more people having to go back?

[RRR3]

First of all, why would I listen to anything a cop says? If you trust cops, you're a bootlicking establishment shill.

Secondly even if your theory is right, you said Biden thinks people who come here illegally should be allowed to stay despite the fact he's deporting thousands...that doesn't make any sense :oldlol:

You guys desperately want Biden to be left-wing, but he's not unless you're a right-wing extremist. He's a neoliberal to the core, that's right-wing by any sane definition. You do not know what an open border looks like.

[bladefd]

Because the people actually knowing about it says he wasn't lying, it's also more important how many get through without being caught and doesn't figure in the numbers.


https://youtu.be/CVYH2S5RiMs


A basic logical question for for you:

A) 100 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
B) 200 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
C) 400 people cross a river and 150 of them are told they have to go back.

Which scenario end up with both more people crossing and more people having to go back?

Do you even live in the USA? Why do you care about domestic policy in USA if you don't even live in this country?

[RRR3]

Do you even live in the USA? Why do you care about domestic policy in USA if you don't even live in this country?
Because he likes whining.

[ZenMaster]

First of all, why would I listen to anything a cop says? If you trust cops, you're a bootlicking establishment shill.

Secondly even if your theory is right, you said Biden thinks people who come here illegally should be allowed to stay despite the fact he's deporting thousands...that doesn't make any sense :oldlol:

You guys desperately want Biden to be left-wing, but he's not unless you're a right-wing extremist. He's a neoliberal to the core, that's right-wing by any sane definition. You do not know what an open border looks like.

Answer this, it relates to your point about more deportations = more harsh on immigration.

A) 100 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
B) 200 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
C) 400 people cross a river and 150 of them are told they have to go back.

Which scenario end up with both more people crossing and more people having to go back?

[RRR3]

Answer this, it relates to your point about more deportations = more harsh on immigration.

A) 100 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
B) 200 people cross a river and 50 of them are told they have to go back.
C) 400 people cross a river and 150 of them are told they have to go back.

Which scenario end up with both more people crossing and more people having to go back?
Do you just malfunction and repeat the same things when you can't address what someone says? :oldlol:

No one said Biden was more harsh than Trump on immigration, you simply cannot read. What was said is he's not for open borders and is treating plenty of immigrants shabbily. You haven't even remotely disproved that.

[ZenMaster]

Do you just malfunction and repeat the same things when you can't address what someone says? :oldlol:

No one said Biden was more harsh than Trump on immigration, you simply cannot read. What was said is he's not for open borders and is treating plenty of immigrants shabbily. You haven't even remotely disproved that.

Yeah excuse me, you said he was just as bad.

I showed you video of an exchange that proves the Biden administration circumvent their own policies and lie about it, but you refuse to watch it. Same as you refuse to answer this basic question, because you know the answer shows that immigration has been much different during Biden than Trump.

[RRR3]

Yeah excuse me, you said he was just as bad.

I showed you video of an exchange that proves the Biden administration circumvent their own policies and lie about it, but you refuse to watch it. Same as you refuse to answer this basic question, because you know the answer shows that immigration has been much different during Biden than Trump.
Now you’ve resorted to lying :oldlol:

Show me where I said Biden was just as bad.

[ZenMaster]

Now you’ve resorted to lying :oldlol:

Show me where I said Biden was just as bad.

j3lademaster posted here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?518281-It-s-official-Biden-says-he-won-t-be-Democratic-candidate&p=14931217&viewfull=1#post14931217), pointing out how it was actually the Republicans fault for not passing the last bill.
You backed him up here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?518281-It-s-official-Biden-says-he-won-t-be-Democratic-candidate&p=14931217&viewfull=1#post14931217) and then proceeded to post an article that starts off like this:



Joe Biden’s New Immigration Policy Is a Boon to Right-Wing Xenophobia

With its new immigration policy, the Biden administration isn’t even breaking from Trump-era anti-immigrant policies, much less charting a new, humane course for immigrants and refugees.

And now when I ask you a simple question to point out that many more illegals are coming into the country that during Trump, you refuse to answer. Pathetic, and this discussion is moronic.

[RRR3]

j3lademaster posted here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?518281-It-s-official-Biden-says-he-won-t-be-Democratic-candidate&p=14931217&viewfull=1#post14931217), pointing out how it was actually the Republicans fault for not passing the last bill.
You backed him up here (http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?518281-It-s-official-Biden-says-he-won-t-be-Democratic-candidate&p=14931217&viewfull=1#post14931217) and then proceeded to post an article that starts off like this:



And now when I ask you a simple question to point out that many more illegals are coming into the country that during Trump, you refuse to answer. Pathetic, and this discussion is moronic.
I mean yes the Republicans blocked that bill, are you denying that? I realize you struggle with severe mental deficiency, but the article saying Biden isn't breaking with Trump era policies does not mean he is the exact same.

I'm not answering that because the fact that you're still trying to paint Biden as pro immigration after you were shown he is on pace to match Trump's deportation numbers doesn't make any sense. You are so stupid you were unable to update your stance after receiving new information, and I'm not about to engage you until the information I've given you sinks through your thick skull.

[Patrick Chewing]

You made the claim, it's on you to provide the link. Can't do it, stop complaining. Notice you avoided the rest too, very suspicious behavior, Chewy!

You made the claim first and I’m challenging you. Now back up your claim, clown. You work at a library don’t you? You have unlimited resources to provide proof and evidence.

[warriorfan]

RRR3 is a legit psychopath

:lol :roll:

[RRR3]

RRR3 is a legit psychopath

:lol :roll:
You have nothing to add to the conversation because it's completely above your head so you tried to get a laugh from the only people on earth who give you positive validation instead.




YIKES

[ZenMaster]

I mean yes the Republicans blocked that bill, are you denying that? I realize you struggle with severe mental deficiency, but the article saying Biden isn't breaking with Trump era policies does not mean he is the exact same.

I'm not answering that because the fact that you're still trying to paint Biden as pro immigration after you were shown he is on pace to match Trump's deportation numbers doesn't make any sense. You are so stupid you were unable to update your stance after receiving new information, and I'm not about to engage you until the information I've given you sinks through your thick skull.

I already responded to jl3 about the blocking of the bill.

If you deport 100% of 100 or 10% of 1000, you're deporting 100 in each instance. It's why I don't care that deportation numbers are high, those people know that once they actually get into the US illegaly and without being caught, there's no effort made to find and deport them. It's why they keep trying in record numbers, along with NGOs providing assistance on the whole process.
You simply tried to trick me with volume deportation numbers, but this information and these numbers aren't new to me at all.

Illegal immigrants have been released into the country against policy instead of being deported because they don't have room at detainment centers. They tried to lie about this, but it was proven.


The Biden administration has released more than 2.3 million border crossers into the United States since 2021. The gap between the number of migrants taken into CBP custody versus the number of people who are sent back or deported has widened each of the last three years.


On Biden’s first day in office his administration ordered a pause on most arrests and deportations from the interior of the United States by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE). Trump had promised to deport “millions” of immigrants during his term but fell well short of that goal, despite giving ICE officers broad latitude to go after anyone without legal status in the United States. Deportations of migrants arrested by ICE averaged about 80,000 annually during Trump’s term.


Parole, in U.S. immigration law, is an executive power that allows the government to temporarily waive in migrants who don’t qualify for a visa. Biden has relied heavily on parole powers as the basis for his broader strategy to expand opportunities for migrants to reach the United States lawfully while toughening penalties against those who cross illegally.

The Trump administration used parole at times to alleviate severe overcrowding and help CBP process migrants faster. But Biden’s use of the authority is the most expansive in U.S. history. Republicans say his administration has exceeded its powers and parole was meant to be used sparingly on a case-by-case basis.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/immigration/2024/02/11/trump-biden-immigration-border-compared/

[RRR3]

Yeah, you started this conversation by raving about open borders, and you clearly don't know what that is if you think an administration that deports a single person, let alone thousands, is "open borders". Just admit you made that part up.

[ZenMaster]

Yeah, you started this conversation by raving about open borders, and you clearly don't know what that is if you think an administration that deports a single person, let alone thousands, is "open borders". Just admit you made that part up.

Could call it an open country instead. We all know that dems are importing voters anyway and it's why they're so excited about this, but if a person can enter another country undocummented, with no repurcussions and no risk of being caught once inside and is being allowed to stay forever, the border/country(however you want to put it) was open for that person.

[warriorfan]

You have nothing to add to the conversation because it's completely above your head so you tried to get a laugh from the only people on earth who give you positive validation instead.




YIKES

Holy shit.

This is legitimately the projection of the year.

Lmao