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[insidehoops]

The official tennis discussion thread!

The previous tennis thread was here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?460872-Tennis

[ArbitraryWater]

Olympics Final between Djokovic and Alcaraz about to kick off.....

could be Djokovics crowning moment.


I hope he does it.

[dankok8]

He did it! The one thing missing and now it's done. I wonder how much longer he's gonna play. This would be a perfect moment to ride off into the sunset.

[ArbitraryWater]

He did it! The one thing missing and now it's done. I wonder how much longer he's gonna play. This would be a perfect moment to ride off into the sunset.

It would indeed be perfect but he said he wants to play the 2028 Olympic Games too in the PC yesterday :haha

Anyway, in todays game, staying great to 40 is very manageable so I dont see why not.

[dankok8]

Nah. 40 is too old. Novak now looks like he's breaking down. Honestly it's 50:50 whether he wins one more slam or not.

I mean I really hope I'm wrong but I don't see him dominating for a few more years.

[SouBeachTalents]

Alcaraz out in straight sets in the 2nd round :biggums:

What :oldlol:

[ArbitraryWater]

Since the other thread was closed shortly upon a discussion of Sinner vs. Alcaraz...

here are the receipts:


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Absoutey hilarious takes.


This is what happens when you cannot deduct happenings/evaluate events beyond the surface result.


You dont see things. You dont notice patterns.

[ArbitraryWater]

Alcaraz out in straight sets in the 2nd round :biggums:

What :oldlol:


Alcaraz will be a more classical erratic ATG. GOAT-contender even. He will pile up slams and have quite a few early losses, mainly on HC.

Its becoming evident that hes best on natural surfaces. He seems quite vulnerable on HC. Hes lost a 1-6 set at 2023 USO to Med, 2024 AO to Zverev, now 2024 USO to Botic.

He will win several more HC slams, way too good not to, but the trend is apparent.


I think his first half to 2022 will be the best half of tennis of his career.

It was right at his breakout, he rode the perfect wave, but he hasnt come close to matching that since, really.

I dont think he will ever be the year-round tennis machine that Jannik Sinner is.

Sinner will probably eat up pretty much all Year End Number 1s.

2024 is the start.

[ArbitraryWater]

Its annoying btw that Alcaraz for his life cant seem to get the 2nd rank.

I dont want any Sinner-Alcaraz SFs anymore.

2025 should be the end of that, but at this point its looking very likely that Zverev with a deep run here will solidify the number 2 rank going into the Australian Open next year.

And you know how that has ended up literally every one of the last 3 slams...

they always put Djokovic alone in his half, and Sinner and Alcaraz together in their half.



Djokovic is going to end the year ranked 5th (look at the race, hes too far behind Medvedev, and Med will play more after the USO too). Which is also gonna be pretty annoying, because it means Sinner (or Alcaraz) could face him in the QF.

No one wants to see that in the QF.

[ArbitraryWater]

Zandschulp btw made the QF of this tournament 3 years ago.

Was the only player to take a set off Medvedev at the 2021 USO.

[SouBeachTalents]

Alcaraz will be a more classical erratic ATG. GOAT-contender even. He will pile up slams and have quite a few early losses, mainly on HC.

Its becoming evident that hes best on natural surfaces. He seems quite vulnerable on HC. Hes lost a 1-6 set at 2023 USO to Med, 2024 AO to Zverev, now 2024 USO to Botic.

He will win several more HC slams, way too good not to, but the trend is apparent.


I think his first half to 2022 will be the best half of tennis of his career.

It was right at his breakout, he rode the perfect wave, but he hasnt come close to matching that since, really.

I dont think he will ever be the year-round tennis machine that Jannik Sinner is.

Sinner will probably eat up pretty much all Year End Number 1s.

2024 is the start.
HC clearly seems to be his weakest surface so far, but I think you're rushing a bit too too much to judgement on this one. The dude is 21 years old, look at the Big 3 at that age, none of them were the player they'd become yet, no reason to think Alcaraz can't improve on that surface in the next couple of years. Let's not forget he's already won a major on that surface too :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

HC clearly seems to be his weakest surface so far, but I think you're rushing a bit too too much to judgement on this one. The dude is 21 years old, look at the Big 3 at that age, none of them were the player they'd become yet, no reason to think Alcaraz can't improve on that surface in the next couple of years. Let's not forget he's already won a major on that surface too :lol

Oh I know he has.

It was also a result of the tournament kind of falling apart though. Djokovic visa denied (which was insane given it was late 2022 and the covid stuff was pretty much over), Nadal going out in his half after having been 22-0 at slams in 2022 before R4, Sinner bricking from match point on serve. Medvedev made the F of the 3 previous HC slams and lost R4.

A lot of stuff went his way.

But as I said, he will win slams on HC.. and I think he coud have won the USO ast year.

Nadal did not look too good on HC early on, in fact worse than Alcaraz but surface difference still seemed to be much more of a thing in the mid/late 2000s. And then Nadal won 6 HC slams and it could have been like 10.

I think Alcaraz will be in that same range, probably.

But it will be his vulnerable surface.

[SouBeachTalents]

And Djokovic proceeds to lose the very next night :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

Its annoying.

They put Alcaraz and Medvedev in Sinners half when the other half needed it.


Sinner is the most bulletproof/lock player.

Its the other half thats far more likely to break down, steerheaded by Zverev and Djokovic. Thats the one which could have used backing.

We will have 2 newbie/unengaging SFists.


Zverev has 2 huge tests ahead of him with Nakashima and Fritz.

[Hey Yo]

Happy 72nd birthday to Jimmy Connors... dude was the master on most surfaces.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sinner wins US Open, 2nd slam of the year. Could well be the 3rd or 4th.




Its funny, Alcaraz - Sinner was another ultimate lithmus / IQ test on how strong your brain is and if you can think outside the box.


When Sinner was down 1-2 slams, it was clear to me he was better.

When Sinner was down 1-3 slams, it was clear to me he was better.

When Sinner was down 1-4 slams, it was clear to me more than ever, hes better.

For many people, its hard to think like that.


Its too ease for their feeble minds to take the simple option that requires no additional explanations.

Just "4 slams bro, he just won the last 2".

People are that simple. Dont have that critical think.

[dankok8]

Still think Alcaraz is better but Sinner might be the real deal. He's proving me wrong.

[ArbitraryWater]

Still think Alcaraz is better but Sinner might be the real deal. He's proving me wrong.

Youre so silly man.

[ArbitraryWater]

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These might genuinely be the 2 dumbest posts ever uttered on here regarding tennis.


dankok is seriously lucky this place has no tennis community lmao.

[dankok8]

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These might genuinely be the 2 dumbest posts ever uttered on here regarding tennis.


dankok is seriously lucky this place has no tennis community lmao.

It's not dumb at all. Alcaraz was much more proven with a 4-1 slam lead while being a year younger and with more big wins.

[ArbitraryWater]

It is dumb.

look at you now. Everything you said was wrong.


You just couldnt recognize shit.


To say Alcaraz was a tier ahead of Sinner and that Sinner is far from an all time great (while suggesting Alc needs 30 slams cause theres no competition while Sinner is level in the H2H) with everything weve seen of him screams peak stupidity.


like unheard of stupidity. Type of stupidity youd put someone down for.

[imdaman99]

Alcaraz is more dynamic and exciting to watch, sorry to tell ya mate. Carlitos is younger and has more slams and is better on clay and grass. He will get better on HC as well, but he does have a USO under his belt. So calm down arby.

I'm not calling Carlitos an all time great yet either though. Time will tell, but stop overrating sinner. Sinner had a great year, especially on HC. And who beat him on HC this year??? Yeah, it was Carlos... and throw rubes in there as well. So no, they are not level in h2h. It's 5-4 Carlitos, he also beat him RG.

[ArbitraryWater]

Thanks for saying a whole bunch of nothing.


And the 2 statements you made are just as dumb:


Alcaraz and Sinner are already ATGs.

Only question is if they will be GOATs.

[Manny98]

I don't watch tennis often but Sinner and Djokovic are having a fantastic match right now :applause:

[Manny98]

From what I believe Sinner & Alcaraz are the next Djokovic and Nadal....

[ArbitraryWater]

From what I believe Sinner & Alcaraz are the next Djokovic and Nadal....

Sure are the next / current Big 2.

[ArbitraryWater]

Fonseca is Sinner/Alcaraz level.

[ArbitraryWater]

Djok-Alcaraz QF...


Going into the tournament I thought Alcaraz would wipe the court with Djokovic if theyd meet at this stage.


Things have changed.

Alcaraz is looking okay but not outrageous, and Djokovic is seriously good...

I have my doubts about HC Alcaraz, Im not sure he will hold up against Djokovics utter stability and wall-ness.

[ArbitraryWater]

The official tennis discussion thread!

The previous tennis thread was here:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?460872-Tennis



Anddd you deleted it. Nice job Jeff... **** you man.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sinner - Rune now on... big one.

[ArbitraryWater]

Djokovic mops the court with Alcaraz, who continues to look clueless on HC, with wild errors and no real strategy and bad decision making.


Alcaraz lost his gameplan and offense after the first set. He started really good and dictated manners, but eventually got away from it and got bogged down in the Djokovic baseline game. Regressing within a match is shameful.

He had a late awakening which was halted by Djokovics extreme ball bouncing which froze him and the ump allowing it.

[ArbitraryWater]

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These might genuinely be the 2 dumbest posts ever uttered on here regarding tennis.


dankok is seriously lucky this place has no tennis community lmao.


Its funny how Alcaraz is looking more and more fraud-ish. Meanwhile Sinner is the real deal.

[SouBeachTalents]

Djokovic mops the court with Alcaraz, who continues to look clueless on HC, with wild errors and no real strategy and bad decision making.


Alcaraz lost his gameplan and offense after the first set. He started really good and dictated manners, but eventually got away from it and got bogged down in the Djokovic baseline game. Regressing within a match is shameful.

He had a late awakening which was halted by Djokovics extreme ball bouncing which froze him and the ump allowing it.
Hardcourt is clearly his weakest surface, but again, you're being too quick to judgement on a 21 year old. Nadal was even worse on that surface at the same age, you gotta give him a little bit more time.

If he's still having these results in 2 years, it's a legitimate concern.

[Hey Yo]

Joker retires in the middle of the match, asshole fans boo him.

https://www.espn.com/tennis/story/_/id/43541740/alexander-zverev-australian-open-final-djokovic-retires

[ArbitraryWater]

Less than a year ago, dankok said that Sinner, by far the best player in the word and prob the most dominant athlete in the world right now, is less than a TIER below Acaraz and "far from all time great".


One of the most hilarious and dumb things ever said.


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Ignorance knows no boundaries and we should never let these people forget their massive ignorance with which they go through their lifes.

[SouBeachTalents]

Sinner's been beating opponents like he's Nadal this tournament, I wonder how competitive Djokovic can keep it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sinner-Alcaraz Final. No one was ever gonna stop it.


Shit is gonna go down.

[GOBB]

That Russian is super salty she lost to coco lol Poor sport or naw

[SouBeachTalents]

I'd need some time to digest the match, but this really might be the 2nd best match I've seen behind '08 Wimbledon, the quality of play they were able to maintain after 5 hours was unbelievable. I thought tennis would be in a rough patch after the Big 3 era, but it'll be in a great place with these two battling for the next decade.

Arby must be pretty deflated right now :lol

[ShawkFactory]

I'd need some time to digest the match, but this really might be the 2nd best match I've seen behind '08 Wimbledon, the quality of play they were able to maintain after 5 hours was unbelievable. I thought tennis would be in a rough patch after the Big 3 era, but it'll be in a great place with these two battling for the next decade.

Arby must be pretty deflated right now :lol

Correct! I was just thinking that about the pantheon of finals I’ve watched. Absolutely incredibly high level tennis from both guys. I thought it was going to be a little disappointing after the Fed/Djok/Nadal era but now I’m genuinely excited to see these two battle.

Really good stuff :cheers:

[Chick Stern]

Correct! I was just thinking that about the pantheon of finals I’ve watched. Absolutely incredibly high level tennis from both guys. I thought it was going to be a little disappointing after the Fed/Djok/Nadal era but now I’m genuinely excited to see these two battle.

Really good stuff :cheers:
I had plans, and had to hold off because it kept getting more and more epic. Awesome match!
And if it’s true that Skinner had foot blisters, that’s criminal.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'd need some time to digest the match, but this really might be the 2nd best match I've seen behind '08 Wimbledon, the quality of play they were able to maintain after 5 hours was unbelievable. I thought tennis would be in a rough patch after the Big 3 era, but it'll be in a great place with these two battling for the next decade.

Arby must be pretty deflated right now :lol

Devastated.

From a personal fan POV, and I had a win of about 9k on a Sinner win.

I dont know what it is, because Sinner is SUPER clutch against the rest of the tour. like immensely. His BP conversion and BP defense numbers and tiebreak numbers are elite elite elite. I think hes top 3 in all. But he cant cut it against Alcaraz.

He cant close.

Hes 4-8 in the H2H and in 5 of the 8 losses he led by a set and in 2 other he had set point in the 1st set... thats nuts. Hes controlled literally 5 of the 8 matches he lost to him, and had the upper hand in the 1st set for another 2. The 1 other loss was 6-7 5-7 (1st match Paris 2021), so a close shave there too.


And the weirdest thing is, the story used to be the other way around. Alcaraz was Nr. 1 and Sinner bothered him hard and led the H2H while he was like, 5-10 in the world.


But man...

as far as sports goes.


Pure cinema.


Best final since the 2022 WC Final.

1-2 SBs probably in there too with the Chiefs.

I hope Sinner avenges himself at Wimbledon. I think grass favors him more.

Alcaraz is weird in how hes a "natural surface specialist", his best tennis is played on clay and grass.


By the way, I think there are a few guys who will provide a challenge in the future. There are a lot of superstar players on the tour right now. Guys who can do it all.

Sinner in general is kind of a perfect tennis machine, I think only Alcaraz on clay and grass will challenge him.

But Fils, Fonseca on clay and maybe hard court, Rune on clay, Draper on grass and hard court, Mensik on hard court, will be challenges at slams. For Alcaraz anyway. All of these guys have genuine "Big 3" qualities.

Paul and Musetti are nice but dont quite have the firepower to one up them. Shelton could do something indoors against them in BO3. Lehecka and Machac could also threaten in BO3.


Sinner to take WB and USO, and the AO after that :rockon:

[ArbitraryWater]

That Russian is super salty she lost to coco lol Poor sport or naw

Expected. Shes been dominating the tour pretty much but has a mental problem in slam finals. 2nd time she lost to Gauff as favorite. Def sour but cant blame her. She played below her level.

[GOBB]

Expected. Shes been dominating the tour pretty much but has a mental problem in slam finals. 2nd time she lost to Gauff as favorite. Def sour but cant blame her. She played below her level.

Can’t blame a poor sport lol Ok

[ArbitraryWater]

Can’t blame a poor sport lol Ok

Thats just your derived conclusion. Mine is different. You also asked, btw.

[GOBB]

Thats just your derived conclusion. Mine is different. You also asked, btw.

Conclusion shared by those who watch and follow tennis (if not played it at a high level).

[ArbitraryWater]

Conclusion shared by those who watch and follow tennis (if not played it at a high level).


You? :lol

[GOBB]

You? :lol

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKheXq2IR7M/?igsh=Mmg5Z2l4cTR5amVj

Go give this poor sport a hug since you understand her whines

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DKheXq2IR7M/?igsh=Mmg5Z2l4cTR5amVj

Go give this poor sport a hug since you understand her whines

Not you jumping all over the place with your takes again. Whats your point here gobbo? To show us a frustrated player? You are a genius man

[GOBB]

Watched the men’s match. Damn that was really good. Jesus Christ can Alcaraz be any more classy? His postgame speech was just as epic as the match. He made me a damn fan after that one. Wow. My bad if this is a well known thing about him. Salute to that young man. Whoever raised him fantastic f*cking job. Bravo



Not you jumping all over the place with your takes again. Whats your point here gobbo? To show us a frustrated player? You are a genius man

To show you a poor sport. But you relate to her. So not shocking at the least.

[ArbitraryWater]

Watched the men’s match. Damn that was really good. Jesus Christ can Alcaraz be any more classy? His postgame speech was just as epic as the match. He made me a damn fan after that one. Wow. My bad if this is a well known thing about him. Salute to that young man. Whoever raised him fantastic f*cking job. Bravo




To show you a poor sport. But you relate to her. So not shocking at the least.

No, thats you losing the shtick again.

A poor sport is someone who treats the opponent badly/unfair, not gets frustrated with your coach.

What happened to the claim that people who watch and follow the sport or play it at a high level conclude that shes a poor sport? Try to stay on point, gobbo.

[GOBB]

No, thats you losing the shtick again.

A poor sport is someone who treats the opponent badly/unfair, not gets frustrated with your coach.

What happened to the claim that people who watch and follow the sport or play it at a high level conclude that shes a poor sport? Try to stay on point, gobbo.

Do your own research. You want to be spoonfed all the time. You’ll never learn that way. Try it

[GOBB]

She apologized to Coco. Said how she acted was unprofessional and uncalled for. She was in her feelings.


She should ghpstwrote for posters here. Might make the place better or not