3ba11
08-08-2024, 05:25 PM
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Exhibit A
09' MO WILLIAMS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html)........ 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4... #3 team defense
11' JASON TERRY (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/terryja01.html)......... 15.8 PER... 0.100 WS/48... 1.9 VORP... 0.9 BPM... 16/2/4... #8 team defense
Exhibit B
Lebron received 4 players that were better than 1990 Pippen, but he couldn't develop them or win anything with them:
05' HUGHES (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hughela01.html)................ 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5.... No All-D
09' MO WILLIAMS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html)........ 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
09' JAMISON (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamisan01.html)............... 20.6 PER... 0.126 WS/48... 2.8 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 22/9/2
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
06' ZYDRUNAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilgauzy01.html)'............ 21.9 PER... 0.184 WS/48... 2.1 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 16/8/1 (2 bpg)
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
Course on Lebron's Early Cavs Teams
Jordan's early playoff record suffered by being thrown into the playoffs immediately in Year 1 with no time to grow his team, while Lebron achieved a better early playoff record by waiting 3 years to develop a high seed before entering his first playoffs in 06'... This 3-year development included Lebron and Zydrunas becoming all-stars in 05', while adding a HOF coach entering the 06' season, along with a 22/6/5 all-defensive player that was playing better than 1990 Pippen (stats above).
From 2005-2010, the Cavs ran a modern-style pick-n-pop with Lebron and Big Z as their go-to play - this gave them a strategic advantage at the time, but Big Z was still behind Lebron, Mo, Jamison, or even Hughes.. That's far more scoring help than Jordan ever had, plus better defensive rankings than the 1st three-peat Bulls..
The Cavs had the 4th-ranked defense in 2007, which was long before Lebron made an all-defensive team, so the Cavs had great defensive help for Lebron.. They had an all-defensive backcourt (Snow, Hughes) and the acquisition of 33-year old Ben Wallace in 2008 was similar to 34-year Rodman joining the Bulls.. The Cavs became a 7-year organic juggernaut by 2010 with Zydrunas, Shaq and Varejao providing great rebounding and defense, while Jamison, Mo and Zydrunas provided all-star scoring experience.. Many guys have won with less than this, such as Jokic, Dirk and MJ, to name a few.
This issue is that Lebron gave up on the chemistry learning curve required to win with organic rosters of 1 franchise player and opted for better rosters of 3 franchise players (super-team), aka talent-based winning.. Since he never learned championship chemistry, he always needs more talent (more help)..
Exhibit A
09' MO WILLIAMS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html)........ 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4... #3 team defense
11' JASON TERRY (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/terryja01.html)......... 15.8 PER... 0.100 WS/48... 1.9 VORP... 0.9 BPM... 16/2/4... #8 team defense
Exhibit B
Lebron received 4 players that were better than 1990 Pippen, but he couldn't develop them or win anything with them:
05' HUGHES (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hughela01.html)................ 21.6 PER... 0.157 WS/48... 3.7 VORP... 4.3 BPM... 22/6/5.... 1st Team All-D
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/6/5.... No All-D
09' MO WILLIAMS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/willima01.html)........ 17.2 PER... 0.165 WS/48... 3.1 VORP... 2.3 BPM... 17/3/4
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
09' JAMISON (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamisan01.html)............... 20.6 PER... 0.126 WS/48... 2.8 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 22/9/2
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
06' ZYDRUNAS (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilgauzy01.html)'............ 21.9 PER... 0.184 WS/48... 2.1 VORP... 1.6 BPM... 16/8/1 (2 bpg)
90' PIPPEN (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pippesc01.html).................. 16.3 PER... 0.087 WS/48... 3.0 VORP... 1.8 BPM... 16/7/5
Course on Lebron's Early Cavs Teams
Jordan's early playoff record suffered by being thrown into the playoffs immediately in Year 1 with no time to grow his team, while Lebron achieved a better early playoff record by waiting 3 years to develop a high seed before entering his first playoffs in 06'... This 3-year development included Lebron and Zydrunas becoming all-stars in 05', while adding a HOF coach entering the 06' season, along with a 22/6/5 all-defensive player that was playing better than 1990 Pippen (stats above).
From 2005-2010, the Cavs ran a modern-style pick-n-pop with Lebron and Big Z as their go-to play - this gave them a strategic advantage at the time, but Big Z was still behind Lebron, Mo, Jamison, or even Hughes.. That's far more scoring help than Jordan ever had, plus better defensive rankings than the 1st three-peat Bulls..
The Cavs had the 4th-ranked defense in 2007, which was long before Lebron made an all-defensive team, so the Cavs had great defensive help for Lebron.. They had an all-defensive backcourt (Snow, Hughes) and the acquisition of 33-year old Ben Wallace in 2008 was similar to 34-year Rodman joining the Bulls.. The Cavs became a 7-year organic juggernaut by 2010 with Zydrunas, Shaq and Varejao providing great rebounding and defense, while Jamison, Mo and Zydrunas provided all-star scoring experience.. Many guys have won with less than this, such as Jokic, Dirk and MJ, to name a few.
This issue is that Lebron gave up on the chemistry learning curve required to win with organic rosters of 1 franchise player and opted for better rosters of 3 franchise players (super-team), aka talent-based winning.. Since he never learned championship chemistry, he always needs more talent (more help)..