39 year old LeBron vs Peak '92 Jordan in the Olympics

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron so far in these Olympics

23 MPG
14.2 PPG
7.0 RPG
8.6 APG
67 FG%

Jordan in the '92 Olympics
23 MPG
14.9 PPG
2.4 RPG
4.8 APG
45 FG%

How is a 39 year old LeBron outplaying peak Jordan?

[gengiskhan]

LeBron so far in these Olympics

23 MPG
14.2 PPG
7.0 RPG
8.6 APG
67 FG%

Jordan in the '92 Olympics
23 MPG
14.9 PPG
2.4 RPG
4.8 APG
45 FG%

How is a 39 year old LeBron outplaying peak Jordan?

1992 Jordan was 1992 Olympics Steals Leader! 33 steals. despite limited minutes.

Because any real, physical, hand checking defense is ILLEGALIZED in Basketball now.

1992 olympic teams had real big men. Arvidas. Shrimpf. and all camped in clogged paint area. this was totally allowed.

Even Joker is an outside player now.

[1987_Lakers]

Forgot to add LeBron is playing against much better competition.

Canada would have won silver in '92, they didn't even medal in these games.

[gengiskhan]

Forgot to add LeBron is playing against much better competition.

Canada would have won silver in '92, they didn't even medal in these games.

You also forgot to add LeBron has taken his PEDs and Balco Juice just before start of Olympics.

in 1992, players actually played without juicing. As very strict policies were in place against doping Ben johnson 1988 fiasco.

[1987_Lakers]

You also forgot to add LeBron has taken his PEDs and Balco Juice just before start of Olympics.

in 1992, players actually played without juicing. As very strict policies were in place against doping Ben johnson 1988 fiasco.

For a sec I thought you were going to bring up the '80 Olympics again.

[gengiskhan]

For a sec I thought you were going to bring up the '80 Olympics again.

stop deflecting.....

care to comment of how MJ led 1992 Olympics in steals with 33.

as LBJ has led the 2024 Olympics in juicing that Balco.

[1987_Lakers]

care to comment of how MJ led 1992 Olympics in steals with 33.

Easy, weak competition. Barkley was also averaging nearly 3 steals a game.

[3ba11]

Easy, weak competition. Barkley was also averaging nearly 3 steals a game.


The US underachievement of barely winning despite massive talent advantage is due to bad brand of ball, aka Lebron-ball (stat-padding and empty stats)

If Lebron was so great, why does he mostly lose with every cast that he ever had in the NBA?... Why does he need to be praised for winning with all-star teams against g-league international comp?... this proves he's a fraud and lacks the resume or caliber to stand on his own without this kind of fake praise.

carry on

[1987_Lakers]

The US is underachieving by barely beating teams despite a massive talent advantage.

The underachievement is because of a bad brand of ball, aka Lebron-ball (stat-padding and empty stats)

How is it that a 39 year old going up against better competition is outperforming peak Jordan?

[k 96]

Remind us how many Bronze Medals le ESPN HYPE James has in the Olympics, and how many Bronze Medals Michael AIR Jordan has?
le ESPN HYPE james = 1 BRONZE MEDAL
Michael Air Jordan = 0 bronze medals

How many Gold Medals?
Michael Air Jordan = 2
le ESPNHYPE James = 1

HAHAHAHAHAHA....HA!

[3ba11]

How is it that a 39 year old going up against better competition is outperforming peak Jordan?


by sacrificing team play and nearly losing with massive talent advantage, aka empty stats - the US is catering to Lebron's weak brand so he can get stats, and it's nearly causing massive upset loss.

don't you think that the Dream Team with various top 20 all-time players should be destroying a 1-man team in Serbia?

It's bball 101 that anytime a massive talent edge underperforms, it's due to bad brand of ball and bad chemistry, so we know the US has horrible chemistry and the worst brand of ball in the tournament.

You're proud that the US won, but they drastically underachieved and confirmed that they're nowhere near the Dream Team - they nearly lost to South Sudan, Australia, Serbia and Canada... All in the last 10 games or so.. Some of these countries just started playing ball and have no indoor courts.

[1987_Lakers]

by sacrificing team play and nearly losing with massive talent advantage, aka empty stats - the US is catering to Lebron's weak brand so he can get stats, and it's nearly causing massive upset loss.

don't you think that the Dream Team with various top 20 all-time players should be destroying a 1-man team in Serbia?

It's bball 101 that anytime a massive talent edge underperforms, it's due to bad brand of ball and bad chemistry, so we know the US has horrible chemistry and the worst brand of ball in the tournament.

You're proud that the US won, but they drastically underachieved and confirmed that they're nowhere near the Dream Team - they nearly lost to South Sudan, Australia, Serbia and Canada... All in the last 10 games or so.. Some of these countries just started playing ball and have no indoor courts.

MJ won Gold in '84 when 14 countries boycotted the Olympics, including the Soviet Union who won Gold in 1988.

MJ won Gold in '92 while being outperformed by Barkley throughout the Olympics and going up against Petrovic in the Gold Medal game.

LeBron just went up against Jokic who has a chip and 3 MVPs and will go up against future GOAT candidate Wemby in the Gold Medal game.

[Axe]

@rmwg

[3ba11]

MJ won Gold in '84 when 14 countries boycotted the Olympics, including the Soviet Union who won Gold in 1988.

MJ won Gold in '92 while being outperformed by Barkley throughout the Olympics and going up against Petrovic in the Gold Medal game.

LeBron just went up against Jokic who has a chip and 3 MVPs and will go up against future GOAT candidate Wemby in the Gold Medal game.


Lebron has 10 Jokics on his team and almost lost to 1 Jokic

The only reason that a team underachieves favored talent is bad brand of ball, so the US would be better without bron-ball - they would blow Jokic away.

Regarding MJ, no one cares about Olympics and it's not a criteria for goat, yet he was the only scorer-playmaker on the team and the best defender, aka the best player... By far... And everyone knows that..

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron has 10 Jokics on his team and almost lost to 1 Jokic

The only reason that a team underachieves favored talent is bad brand of ball, so the US would be better without bron-ball

Unfortunately for you, almost doesn't count. MJ never even played a team as good as this Serbia team in the Olympics.

[3ba11]

Unfortunately for you, almost doesn't count. MJ never even played a team as good as this Serbia team in the Olympics.



The US has a massive talent advantage but nearly lost 4 times so far, so they massively underachieves their talent.. underachieving favored talent confirms a bad brand of ball.. these guys don't know how to play

And Croatia was far better with HOF's Radja, Petrovic and Kukoc and also Zan Tabak and Vrankovic - 5 NBA players including 3 HOF - that's better than Serbia

[1987_Lakers]

"But, but, they almost lost" :lol

All of a sudden Kukoc was a baller and a legitimate hall of famer according to 3ball.

3ball confirming that the Bulls were stacked with talent. They had a hall of famer off the bench.

[1987_Lakers]

And Serbia has 7 NBA players including the best player in the world right now.

[3ba11]

"But, but, they almost lost" :lol

All of a sudden Kukoc was a baller and a legitimate hall of famer according to 3ball.

3ball confirming that the Bulls were stacked with talent. They had a hall of famer off the bench.


The bottom line is that the current US team is massively underachieving their talent by barely winning, which proves a bad brand of ball, aka bron-ball - the US would be much better without Lebron and reach their true chemistry and capacity

And btw, everyone knows that the Bulls got the slow and fat Kukoc, not the generational player that used up his prime in Europe before coming over here... It took years to get Euros over here back to then and they had short primes after coming from war torn country.

[1987_Lakers]

And btw, everyone knows that the Bulls got the slow and fat Kukoc, not the generational player that used up his prime in Europe before coming over here... It took years to get Euros over here back to then and they had short primes after coming from war torn country.

Kukoc was like 25 when he joined the Bulls. :oldlol:

His peak years were with MJ.

You just confirmed the Bulls were stacked.

[3ba11]

Kukoc was like 25 when he joined the Bulls. :oldlol:

His peak years were with MJ.

You just confirmed the Bulls were stacked.


No it's extremely common knowledge that he was washed when he got here


Sabonis, Radja, Kukoc - all past their prime when they got here

This isn't disputable... It's extremely common knowledge.

You're just applying 2024 circumstances in America to Euros in 92', which is ignorant

[1987_Lakers]

No it's extremely common knowledge that he was washed when he got here

If it helps you sleep at night.

[3ba11]

If it helps you sleep at night.


I was there, so I know

You were still in your dad's *******

.

[1987_Lakers]

I was there, so I know

You ain't gotta lie Craig.

You really just called a 25 year old Kukoc washed. :oldlol:

Bulls were stacked. You just said it.

[3ba11]

You ain't gotta lie Craig.

You really just called a 25 year old Kukoc washed. :oldlol:

Bulls were stacked. You just said it.


Ask Kblaze - it was especially common knowledge for Kukoc, Sabonis and Radja that they were washed when they got here.. it's a fact

Imagine someone in 2040 telling you that Brooklyn should've been able to win with Ben Simmons because he's only 25... You'd be like "you don't know what you're talking about"..

But as usual, you're trying avoid the point that US has a massive talent edge and should blow everyone away... When a talent advantage underachieves, it's due to bad brand of ball, aka bron-ball.. So the US would be FAR better without Lebron and blow everyone away because good chemistry + talent edge = blowout

[1987_Lakers]

Imagine someone in 2040 telling you that Brooklyn should be able to win with Ben Simmons because he's only 25... You'd be like "you don't know what you're talking about".

Simmons had injury issues, Kukoc came into this league with no such issues. The only person you named that came into the league past their prime was Sabonis.

Don't lie. You got caught admitting Kukoc was a stud and a legit hall of famer and now you are embarrassed by that statement and trying to find a way out because you don't wan't anybody thinking Jordan had any help.

[3ba11]

Simmons had injury issues, Kukoc came into this league with no such issues. The only person you named that came into the league past their prime was Sabonis.

Don't lie. You got caught admitting Kukoc was a stud and a legit hall of famer and now you are embarrassed by that statement and trying to find a way out because you don't wan't anybody thinking Jordan had any help.


And Kukoc, Radja and Sabonis had many issues like injuries that hurt them too, and other issues

you're just a kid and don't know the history, so you're looking pretty dumb right now

Bottom line is that 92' Croatia > Serbia

Of course you're trying avoid the point that US has a massive talent edge and should blow everyone away... When a talent advantage underachieves, it's due to bad brand of ball, aka bron-ball.. So the US would be FAR better without Lebron and blow everyone away because good chemistry + talent edge = blowout

[1987_Lakers]

3ball just admitted the Bulls had a legit hall of famer off the bench

[3ba11]

3ball just admitted the Bulls had a legit hall of famer off the bench


You exposed that you're like 9 or something

[RRR3]

You exposed that you're like 9 or something
Kblaze has been watching since the early 80s and has frequently said you have no clue about the NBA in the 80s or 90s.

[3ba11]

Kblaze has been watching since the early 80s and has frequently said you have no clue about the NBA in the 80s or 90s.


Kblaze is a moderator tasked with moderating

This means that occasionally when I point out some super-salient facts that crush the Bronnies, he jumps into action and moderates, hence the posts to knock me down a peg or 2 for parity purposes.. Unfortunately, he goes overboard sometimes by lying about me like saying I have multiple accounts.. I don't think you guys go for that one tho

[Bawkish]

Bron was this close to becoming Bronze again

[StrongLurk]

Different eras. You simply can't compare basketball now to basketball 32 years ago. It's like comparing the 92 Olympics team to the 1960's team. Mike Jordan and the 92 crew played in a past era.

[8Ball]

LeBron so far in these Olympics

23 MPG
14.2 PPG
7.0 RPG
8.6 APG
67 FG%

Jordan in the '92 Olympics
23 MPG
14.9 PPG
2.4 RPG
4.8 APG
45 FG%

How is a 39 year old LeBron outplaying peak Jordan?

I have not read the thread yet but 5*.

[8Ball]

And Serbia has 7 NBA players including the best player in the world right now.

1992 Team played against a TOTAL of 8-9 NBA players the ENTIRE olympics.


It's like today's team playing against a bunch of high school kids.

[8Ball]

No it's extremely common knowledge that he was washed when he got here


He won 6th man of the year. :lol

[Hey Yo]

The US has a massive talent advantage but nearly lost 4 times so far, so they massively underachieves their talent.. underachieving favored talent confirms a bad brand of ball.. these guys don't know how to play

And Croatia was far better with HOF's Radja, Petrovic and Kukoc and also Zan Tabak and Vrankovic - 5 NBA players including 3 HOF - that's
better than Serbia

Looks like someone let the cat out of the bag and acknowledged that Kukoc was indeed a HOF'er in his prime "coming off the bench" while collecting 6moty award in 96. By far the most stacked team in the last 35yrs. Especially when you add how must rest Jordan got after quitting the league in his prime.

[dankok8]

Only on ISH you see so many retarded takes in one thread.

[ShawkFactory]

Kblaze is a moderator tasked with moderating

This means that occasionally when I point out some super-salient facts that crush the Bronnies, he jumps into action and moderates, hence the posts to knock me down a peg or 2 for parity purposes.. Unfortunately, he goes overboard sometimes by lying about me like saying I have multiple accounts.. I don't think you guys go for that one tho

:roll:

Rough morning at work, I needed that.

[3ba11]

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thread cliffs


Lebron has caused the US to play a bad brand of ball that is barely winning with massive talent advantage, while averaging 5 turnovers, so his numbers mean nothing.. Anyone can dominate the ball to get layups and high efficiency at the expense of chemistry, effective basketball, and guaranteed winning.

When you consider defense, turnovers and the fact that MJ's numbers came with great chemistry and winning basketball, his numbers are far superior than Lebron's.

Of course none of this matters because the 92' run was 50 point blowouts in every game, so no one's stats mattered or reflected anything about their game.. It's absurd and desperate to think otherwise.. Nonetheless, Jordan was still the best player on the 92' team by virtue of being the only scorer-playmaker on the team, while being the best defender (4.0 SPG and the intensity leader).

[StrongLurk]

Looks like someone let the cat out of the bag and acknowledged that Kukoc was indeed a HOF'er in his prime "coming off the bench" while collecting 6moty award in 96. By far the most stacked team in the last 35yrs. Especially when you add how must rest Jordan got after quitting the league in his prime.

This guy is a joke.

Kukoc is "garbage" when he frames Kukoc as MJ's teammate. But suddenly Kukoc is HOF as an MJ opponent.

[StrongLurk]

TLDR:

OP is dumb. You simply can't compare basketball now to basketball 32 years ago. It's like comparing the 92 Olympics team to the 1960 team. Mike Jordan and the 92 crew played in a past/more primitive era. It's not MJ's fault, it's just reality.

[3ba11]

TLDR:

OP is dumb. You simply can't compare basketball now to basketball 32 years ago. It's like comparing the 92 Olympics team to the 1960 team. Mike Jordan and the 92 crew played in a past/more primitive era. It's not MJ's fault, it's just reality.


Our struggles in this tourney proves we're worse than prior eras, not better... Struggling against Serbia and South Sudan means we suck, not that we're good.. the media and today's fans have it backwards because they're dumb.. plain and simple.

Today's players have devolved into high-screen-roll spammers, which is why we can't dominate the world like we used to.

Today's players can barely beat 1-man teams, so they're nothing compared to prior eras and are worse at basketball - this tourney confirms it.

[StrongLurk]

Our struggles in this tourney proves we're worse than prior eras, not better... Struggling against Serbia and South Sudan means we suck, not that we're good.. the media and today's fans have it backwards because they're dumb.. plain and simple.

Today's players have devolved into high-screen-roll spammers, which is why we can't dominate the world like we used to.

Today's players can barely beat 1-man teams, so they're nothing compared to prior eras and are worse at basketball - this tourney confirms it.

Whatever you think doesn't matter. It's simply impossible to accurately compare basketball on a world stage in 1992 to 2024. Talent, format, rules, game technology, etc. is all totally different.

[3ba11]

Whatever you think doesn't matter. It's simply impossible to accurately compare basketball on a world stage in 1992 to 2024. Talent, format, rules, game technology, etc. is all totally different.


We can look at the players and see that the 92' Croatia had far better players than current South Sudan team.

This demonstrates the superiority of the 92' team - they blew away Croatia, while the current team basically loses to South Sudan and now Serbia.

And it's a massive underachievement for ANY team to barely win with a massive talent edge - we have 10 of the top 20 players in the world but we nearly lose to teams with 1 good player.. this confirms that we're just high screen roll spammers and have gotten worse at 5-man basketball

[RRR3]

We can look at the players and see that the 92' Croatia had far better players than current South Sudan team.

This demonstrates the superiority of the 92' team - they blew away Croatia, while the current team basically loses to South Sudan and now Serbia.

Further evidence can be seen by that fact that it's a massive underachievement for a team to barely win with a massive talent edge - we have 10 of the top 20 players in the world but nearly lose to teams with 1 good player..
They beat South Sudan by 17, what are you even talking about? A scrimmage game? The dream team lost a scrimmage game to college kids :yaohappy:

[3ba11]

They beat South Sudan by 17, what are you even talking about? A scrimmage game? The dream team lost a scrimmage game to college kids :yaohappy:


They have no indoor basketball courts and no good NBA players, yet we basically lost to South Sudan the first time and then only beat them by 17 this time

that doesn't compare to the original Dream Team, who beat better teams by a minimum of 40

[RRR3]

They have no indoor basketball courts and no good NBA players, yet we basically lost to South Sudan the first time and then only beat them by 17 this time

that doesn't compare to the original Dream Team, who beat better teams by a minimum of 40
If the scrimmage game against South Sudan counts, then the Dream Team losing to college kids counts.


MJ couldn't beat polsci majors

[3ba11]

If the scrimmage game against South Sudan counts, then the Dream Team losing to college kids counts.




it wasn't a scrimmage against South Sudan - it was a real game with fans, refs, and official scorekeeping

yet we basically lost because we aren't good at basketball compared to prior eras - our brand is no longer 5-man basketball, and this trash brand of ball underachieves our favored talent

it's bball 101.. bad brands of ball and chemistry underperform favored talent.. that's where we are right now - the worst brand of ball on earth... literally

[RRR3]

it wasn't a scrimmage against South Sudan - it was a real game with fans, refs, and official scorekeeping

yet we basically lost because we aren't good at basketball compared to prior eras - our brand is no longer 5-man basketball, and this trash brand of ball underachieves our favored talent

it's bball 101.. bad brands of ball and chemistry underperform favored talent.. that's where we are right now - the worst brand of ball on earth... literally
Why couldn't MJ beat economics majors?

[1987_Lakers]

The Dream Team lost to Bobby Hurley.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xHoYnuMLZQ

[StrongLurk]

We can look at the players and see that the 92' Croatia had far better players than current South Sudan team.

This demonstrates the superiority of the 92' team - they blew away Croatia, while the current team basically loses to South Sudan and now Serbia.

And it's a massive underachievement for ANY team to barely win with a massive talent edge - we have 10 of the top 20 players in the world but we nearly lose to teams with 1 good player.. this confirms that we're just high screen roll spammers and have gotten worse at 5-man basketball

Whatever you think doesn't matter. It's simply impossible to accurately compare basketball on a world stage in 1992 to 2024. Talent, format, rules, game technology, etc. is all totally different.

Go seek therapy man, you are literally stuck living in the past. It's insane behavior.

[RRR3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xHoYnuMLZQ

The Dream Team lost to Bobby Hurley.
https://image.cnbcfm.com/api/v1/image/106922887-1628206615260-gettyimages-887132600-as1700__08.jpeg?v=1628206641

The "Dream Team"'s worst nightmare

[3ba11]

Whatever you think doesn't matter. It's simply impossible to accurately compare basketball on a world stage in 1992 to 2024. Talent, format, rules, game technology, etc. is all totally different.

Go seek therapy man, you are literally stuck living in the past. It's insane behavior.


The game has devolved into a 3-point contest of inferior American players that are no longer the best in the world individually, or from a team basketball standpoint - we don't produce the best players or the best brand of ball anymore and it's because the dumb media and fans that ruined the game..

Silver catered to dumb fans by clearing the paint and removing physicality, so there will no more Curry's, Lebron's or KD's going forward - there are no stars of that caliber on the horizon in America because Silver dumbed the game down to a hands-off, spaced out beginner format that produces weak hoops instinct and cookie-cutter skillsets...

Ultimately, Silver, media and dumb fans ruined the game of basketball, so now we cannot produce the world's best players like we used to, or the best team ball like we used to.. we're such trash now that we must celebrate close wins against trash teams... it's only getting much worse.

[RRR3]

The game has devolved into a 3-point contest of inferior American players that are no longer the best in the world individually, or from a team basketball standpoint - we don't produce the best players or the best brand of ball anymore and it's because the dumb media and fans that ruined the game..

Silver catered to dumb fans by clearing the paint and removing physicality, so there will no more Curry's, Lebron's or KD's going forward - there are no stars of that caliber on the horizon in America because Silver dumbed the game down to a hands-off, spaced out beginner format that produces weak hoops instinct and cookie-cutter skillsets...

Ultimately, Silver, media and dumb fans ruined the game of basketball, so now we cannot produce the world's best players like we used to, or the best team ball like we used to.. we're such trash now that we must celebrate close wins against trash teams... it's only getting much worse.
MJ couldn't beet teenagers who had to do their homework after the game.

[1987_Lakers]

Barkley & Malone would be exposed defensively going up against KD & LeBron. LeBron showed yesterday he could guard Jokic, he could easily body up Malone & Barkley.

The '92 team actually had more defensive weak spots. Mullin, Magic, Bird, Barkley & to a lesser extent Drexler couldn't defend. They relied on the bigs and MJ/Pippen on defense.

On the current squad everyone could defend at a high level except Curry. You could add Haliburton, but he's basically a bench warmer on this team.

Just look at the 2024 roster from top to bottom, they have defenders pretty much everywhere.

[3ba11]

Barkley & Malone would be exposed defensively going up against KD & LeBron. LeBron showed yesterday he could guard Jokic, he could easily body up Malone & Barkley.

The '92 team actually had more defensive weak spots. Mullin, Magic, Bird, Barkley & to a lesser extent Drexler couldn't defend. They relied on the bigs and MJ/Pippen on defense.

On the current squad everyone could defend at a high level except Curry. You could add Haliburton, but he's basically a bench warmer on this team.

Just look at the 2024 roster from top to bottom, they have defenders pretty much everywhere.


matchups



* Pippen guards Lebron..

* Drexler guards KD

* Jordan guards Curry


what's the problem

[1987_Lakers]

matchups



* Pippen guards Lebron..

* Drexler guards KD

* Jordan guards Curry


what's the problem

https://media.tenor.com/R5ZlNaaJkSEAAAAM/dying-laughing.gif

Drexler on KD in particular is hilarious.

[1987_Lakers]

Honestly, the Dream team would have been better with Rodman in place of Bird.

Bird was basically a borderline all-star by that point and had played his last NBA game.

Rodman would have added so much versatility.

[gengiskhan]

Why couldn't MJ beat economics majors?

unlike LBJ, MJ does not use PEDs

[gengiskhan]

Honestly, the Dream team would have been better with Rodman in place of Bird.

Bird was basically a borderline all-star by that point and had played his last NBA game.

Rodman would have added so much versatility.

60% of Bird is better than PED infested LBJ.

[sdot_thadon]

matchups



* Pippen guards Lebron..

* Drexler guards KD

* Jordan guards Curry


what's the problem

Young Pippen vs old man Bron would be a fun matchup to watch, we'd find out just how strong young Pip was.

Kd would annihilate Clyde. Period.

Mj would stand a good chance of slowing Steph down but would have an equal risk of getting AI'd by him too. Mj did nor like defending guys he had to chase.
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Oh and yeah Toni Kukoc, Dream Team's most terrifying opponent lol. Who's secret identity is a trash role player on a dynasty according to 3ball. Stupid is as stupid does.

[1987_Lakers]

60% of Bird is better than PED infested LBJ.

Bird was nowhere near the player he once was by 1992. Another reason why the Dream Team gets overrated.

People see they had MJ, Magic, & Bird on the roster and assume they were all in their prime, when it was quite the opposite. MJ was the only one who was at his peak.

[3ba11]

https://media.tenor.com/R5ZlNaaJkSEAAAAM/dying-laughing.gif

Drexler on KD in particular is hilarious.


Drexler was like Jaylen Brown - a great defender but underrated and under the radar because he didn't play alongside MJ:



Regular Season

DREXLER...... 2.0 SPG.... 0.7 BPG
PIPPEN......... 2.0 SPG.... 0.8 BPG


Playoffs

DREXLER...... 1.9 SPG.... 0.7 BPG
PIPPEN......... 2.0 SPG.... 0.9 BPG


Pippen or Jordan can guard Lebron or Curry, while Drexler was a better athlete, defender and stronger than Durant - it's a good matchup.

[3ba11]

Bird was nowhere near the player he once was by 1992. Another reason why the Dream Team gets overrated.

People see they had MJ, Magic, & Bird on the roster and assume they were all in their prime, when it was quite the opposite. MJ was the only one who was at his peak.


Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991, so when was the last time Lebron, KD or Curry was runner-up for MVP?

KD, Lebron and Curry or LOTTERY PLAYERS (play-in) - they're nowhere near their prime - the media is just spreading misinformation as if people don't know that KD/Lebron/Curry are older than Magic/Bird/MJ

[RRR3]

Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991, so when was the last time Lebron, KD or Curry was runner-up for MVP?

KD, Lebron and Curry or LOTTERY PLAYERS (play-in) - they're nowhere near their prime - the media is just spreading misinformation as if people don't know that KD/Lebron/Curry are older than Magic/Bird/MJ
Snivelly? Why are you afraid of this thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?518488-Why-were-business-majors-too-much-for-MJ-to-handle-with-a-literal-Dream-Team-cast

[sdot_thadon]

Drexler was like Jaylen Brown - a great defender but underrated and under the radar because he didn't play alongside MJ:



Regular Season

DREXLER...... 2.0 SPG.... 0.7 BPG
PIPPEN......... 2.0 SPG.... 0.8 BPG


Playoffs

DREXLER...... 1.9 SPG.... 0.7 BPG
PIPPEN......... 2.0 SPG.... 0.9 BPG


Pippen or Jordan can guard Lebron or Curry, while Drexler was a better athlete, defender and stronger than Durant - it's a good matchup.

This version of Durant wouldn't even see Clyde for most of his shots lol. And Clyde was a good defender but he's not bothering a hair on Kds head.

[3ba11]

Snivelly? Why are you afraid of this thread?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?518488-Why-were-business-majors-too-much-for-MJ-to-handle-with-a-literal-Dream-Team-cast


because the Dream Team never lost an actual game... No one cares about a scrimmage where the best players didn't play and the game didn't actually finish, and the coach threw the game.. this is all well-documented.. it's meaningless.

[RRR3]

because the Dream Team never lost an actual game... No one cares about a scrimmage where the best players didn't play and the game didn't actually finish, and the coach threw the game.. this is all well-documented.. it's meaningless.
But you cared about a scrimmage against South Sudan :yaohappy:


CAUGHT

[1987_Lakers]

Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991, so when was the last time Lebron, KD or Curry was runner-up for MVP?

KD, Lebron and Curry or LOTTERY PLAYERS (play-in) - they're nowhere near their prime - the media is just spreading misinformation as if people don't know that KD/Lebron/Curry are older than Magic/Bird/MJ

Magic literally had HIV in 1992, although I will say he was still very effective offensivley. Magic's defense on the other hand would be exposed big time vs the 2024 squad, just imagine him guarding guys like Curry, Edwards, Booker, & KD. It would be comedy.

'92 Bird in particular is actually a weak spot for the Dream Team, he's nowhere near as good as current LeBron, KD, & Curry.

[ShawkFactory]

Bird literally didn’t participate in the dream team practices or scrimmages and would lay down during games. He could still hit some shots here and there because he’s a GOAT level player but he was cooked.

[3ba11]

This version of Durant wouldn't even see Clyde for most of his shots lol. And Clyde was a good defender but he's not bothering a hair on Kds head.


Tatum locked up Durant in the 2022 Playoffs, so Drexler would do the same, since he's a far superior athlete and defender than Tatum, and much stronger physically.

And Drexler wouldn't have to deal with MJ's strength - KD is a lightweight, so he can muscle Durant to lock him down by being physical as we've seen many times before.. KD wouldn't be a factor against the Dream Team due to the physicality and the Dream Team's ability to take advantage of the more physical rules.. The bigger guys like Lebron and Bam would be more impactful, but they have less size and strength than guys like Malone, Ewing or Barkley.. Lebron and Bam are trash bangers compared to the guys on the 92' team - they would get manhandled on the glass.

[gengiskhan]

Magic was runner-up for MVP in 1991, so when was the last time Lebron, KD or Curry was runner-up for MVP?

KD, Lebron and Curry or LOTTERY PLAYERS - they're nowhere near their prime - the media is just spreading misinformation as if people don't know that KD/Lebron/Curry are older than Magic/Bird/MJ

1992 Dream Team filled with MVPs, MVP-Runner Ups, DPOY Runner-ups. and most importantly Clutchest of the clutch genes.

Can you imagine what a Team USA built around just Ewing and D'Rob will do to LeBalco and co. Just imagine.

dunks, blocks, dunks, blocks. D'Rob had such active hands in the passing lane. and speed of a Guard. And wingspan like 7'4".

Every FIBA rule would've been exploited. Every ball touching the rim pulled down. 2024 team usa having it way way too easy with such soft competition.

I just want to see Ewing personally gang murder Embiid and his slow motion, measured shot taking game. Imagine the sheer carnage.

[1987_Lakers]

I just want to see Ewing personally gang murder Embiid and his slow motion, measured shot taking game. Imagine the sheer carnage.

Embiid > Ewing

We just saw Embiid have a huge game against Jokic. Ewing would be a piece of cake.

[1987_Lakers]

Drexler was like Jaylen Brown - a great defender but underrated and under the radar because he didn't play alongside MJ

Drexler wasn't anywhere near the man defender Jaylen Brown is.

[3ba11]

Drexler wasn't anywhere near the man defender Jaylen Brown is.


Drexler was much better than Brown on both sides of the ball and in literally every aspect of the game - you just never watched Drexler, so you're saying things with zero basis except your desire for it to be true

Your probably don't know that Drexler was a 7-assist guy, so again, he was far superior to Brown in every aspect of basketball.

[gengiskhan]

Drexler wasn't anywhere near the man defender Jaylen Brown is.

Drexler was more hands on defender than Dr Brown

Drexler was quicker on the ball defender than Dr Brown

Drexler was taller, stronger and better athlete than Dr Brown.

Drexler motor never run out on Defense and Drexler never ever rested in between plays like MJ and Kobe with hands on knees hunched down.

Drexler was a true athlete.

Drexler was better shot blocker than Dr Brown.

Go watch drexlers defense.

[1987_Lakers]

Drexler was more hands on defender than Dr Brown

Drexler was quicker on the ball defender than Dr Brown

Drexler was taller, stronger and better athlete than Dr Brown.

Drexler motor never run out on Defense and Drexler never ever rested in between plays like MJ and Kobe with hands on knees hunched down.

Drexler was a true athlete.

Drexler was better shot blocker than Dr Brown.

Go watch drexlers defense.

You are the same guy who said Drexler had a similar prime to Wade. :oldlol:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?265008-Clyde-Drexler-Is-he-deliberately-quot-underrated-quot-amp-quot-underappreciated-quot-all-time-great

We done with the 90's!

[dankok8]

The three best Americans on the current squad are all 35 and older. They wouldn't be able to handle the grind in a series against the Dream Team.

The 1992 team had an old Bird but he can space the floor and basically give you more than current KD off the bench because he's not just a great shooter but a great passer. He can make that extra pass to create a great look instead of a good one.

[1987_Lakers]

The 1992 team had an old Bird but he can space the floor and basically give you more than current KD off the bench because he's not just a great shooter but a great passer. He can make that extra pass to create a great look instead of a good one.

Most retarded thing I've heard all week.

Why are Bron haters so dumb?

[3ba11]

Embiid > Ewing

We just saw Embiid have a huge game against Jokic. Ewing would be a piece of cake.


Embiid would physically break down and could never average 29 ppg and 4.0 blocks in a physical format of packed paints like Ewing did in 1989..

It's absurd to think his fragile ass could hold up - he wouldn't get to face shrimps and today's "small ball", non-physical and open paint beginner format..

Everything would be the opposite, which would turn him into an ordinary banger back then

[RRR3]

The three best Americans on the current squad are all 35 and older. They wouldn't be able to handle the grind in a series against the Dream Team.

The 1992 team had an old Bird but he can space the floor and basically give you more than current KD off the bench because he's not just a great shooter but a great passer. He can make that extra pass to create a great look instead of a good one.
Honestly amazing the bullshit you're willing to spew to try and diminish LeBron. Since when can't LBJ, Curry and KD not handle a playoff series against a weak opponent, even in recent years? And yes a team made up of mostly non shooting threats that shot 16.9 3PA per game with a shortened line is getting obliterated by a modern offense, it's just math.

[RRR3]

Most retarded thing I've heard all week.

Why are Bron haters so dumb?
Funny part is he's able to talk about basketball intelligently when LeBron isn't involved but when he is he gets so worked up his brain overheats and he spews total nonsense.

[sdot_thadon]

1992 Dream Team filled with MVPs, MVP-Runner Ups, DPOY Runner-ups. and most importantly Clutchest of the clutch genes.

Can you imagine what a Team USA built around just Ewing and D'Rob will do to LeBalco and co. Just imagine.

dunks, blocks, dunks, blocks. D'Rob had such active hands in the passing lane. and speed of a Guard. And wingspan like 7'4".

Every FIBA rule would've been exploited. Every ball touching the rim pulled down. 2024 team usa having it way way too easy with such soft competition.

I just want to see Ewing personally gang murder Embiid and his slow motion, measured shot taking game. Imagine the sheer carnage.

Embiid is an evolved version of Ewing: a slow pull up, jumpshooting big man. But with outside range.

[1987_Lakers]

Embiid would physically break down and could never average 29 ppg and 4.0 blocks in a physical format of packed paints like Ewing did in 1989..

It's absurd to think his fragile ass could hold up - he wouldn't get to face shrimps and today's "small ball", non-physical and open paint beginner format..

Everything would be the opposite, which would turn him into an ordinary banger back then

For all the talks about Embiid being physically fragile, you could say the exact same thing about Ewing. Dude had zero knees by the time the 90's rolled around. Had one truly great year in 1990 and never replicated that again.

[dankok8]

Honestly amazing the bullshit you're willing to spew to try and diminish LeBron. Since when can't LBJ, Curry and KD not handle a playoff series against a weak opponent, even in recent years? And yes a team made up of mostly non shooting threats that shot 16.9 3PA per game with a shortened line is getting obliterated by a modern offense, it's just math.

1) I didn't even single out Lebron LMAO.

2) The line wasn't shortened in 1992.

3) Your math is very poor. Today's offensive explosion isn't even driven by 3pt shooting.

[RRR3]

1) I didn't even single out Lebron LMAO.

2) The line wasn't shortened in 1992.

3) Your math is very poor. Today's offensive explosion isn't even driven by 3pt shooting.
Yeah, there is no point arguing with someone this retarded.

Holy shit.



Just...wow











:roll:

[3ba11]

it's just math.


So women's teams and high school teams that shoot more threes would beat the Dream Team too?.. 3 > 2 right?.. that's what you just said

Obviously, spamming threes is the easiest way to play and literally anyone can do it.. The Dream Team was already shooting 40% and could easily double their attempts just like the women and high school teams do.

There's a massive misperception that it's harder to spam threes than play 5-man basketball.. Anyone can spam threes, while the Dream Team was also the best at actual BASKETBALL.

[RRR3]

So women's teams and high school teams that shoot more threes would beat the Dream Team too?.. 3 > 2 right?.. that's what you just said

Obviously, spamming threes is the easiest way to play and literally anyone can do it.. The Dream Team was already shooting 40% and could easily double their attempts just like the women and high school teams do.

There's a massive misperception that it's harder to spam threes than play 5-man basketball.. Anyone can spam threes, while the Dream Team was also the best at actual BASKETBALL.
No because women's teams and high school teams literally couldn't stop NBA players from scoring ever on the other end, even if they were all 2s, shooting 100% is hard to beat. THINK for once in your life.

[3ba11]

No because women's teams and high school teams literally couldn't stop NBA players from scoring ever on the other end, even if they were all 2s, shooting 100% is hard to beat. THINK for once in your life.


The 92' Team doesn't have to shoot 100% on 2-pointers to beat a 3-point spamming team.. 60% on two-pointers with great defense and dominating the glass is easily enough to beat today's 3-point spamming team...

But again, women and high school teams spam threes, so why wouldn't the original Dream Team, especially since they were already shooting 17 per game at 40%.. Why couldn't they easily increase that when women and high school teams do?..

Spamming threes is the easiest way to play and anyone can do it, which is why teams like Nigeria and South Sudan beat us or nearly beat us - it's because ANYONE can spam threes, let alone the original Dream Team.

[RRR3]

duh-uhh-uhh-uhhh-uhhhhh
17 3s a game is incredibly low volume and nobody got guarded at the 3pt line back then (we've seen the footage). You're retarded :yaohappy:

[sdot_thadon]

So women's teams and high school teams that shoot more threes would beat the Dream Team too?.. 3 > 2 right?.. that's what you just said

Obviously, spamming threes is the easiest way to play and literally anyone can do it.. The Dream Team was already shooting 40% and could easily double their attempts just like the women and high school teams do.

There's a massive misperception that it's harder to spam threes than play 5-man basketball.. Anyone can spam threes, while the Dream Team was also the best at actual BASKETBALL.

So, in theory Mjs teammates could just take more shots if he allowed it and they have higher ppgs according to this logic correct? Thanks for the clarification. Noted for future use.

[3ba11]

17 3s a game is incredibly low volume and nobody got guarded at the 3pt line back then (we've seen the footage). You're retarded :yaohappy:


women and high school teams spam threes, so why wouldn't the original Dream Team, especially since they were already shooting 17 per game at 40%.. Why couldn't they easily increase that when women and high school teams do?..

Spamming threes is the easiest way to play and anyone can do it, which is why teams like Nigeria and South Sudan beat us or nearly beat us - it's because ANYONE can spam threes, let alone the original Dream Team.

[RRR3]

Kblaze told you to stop spamming. Not addressing copy/paste bullshit, actually say something different when you get cornered for once instead of malfunctioning and repeating prior posts.

[1987_Lakers]

Serbia was 15-30 from 3 entering the 4th quarter yesterday.

I would love to see the Dream Team going up against a team putting up those numbers from deep while also having to deal with Jokic.

[3ba11]

Kblaze told you to stop spamming. Not addressing copy/paste bullshit, actually say something different when you get cornered for once instead of malfunctioning and repeating prior posts.


you were defeated soundly and cannot respond... so what's the big deal? you should be used to it by now so stop crying

[3ba11]

Serbia was 15-30 from 3 entering the 4th quarter yesterday.

I would love to see the Dream Team going up against a team putting up those numbers from deep while also having to deal with Jokic.


The Dream Team has more guys to defend Jokic than the current team, and who can't shoot 50% from 22 feet?.. Several guys were already above 50% for the original Dream Team and that was without giving threes a 2nd thought.

Spamming threes is the easiest way to play, so if women and high-school teams can do it, why can't the original Dream Team?.. Teams like South Sudan and Nigeria play us close specifically because ANYONE can spam threes.

[1987_Lakers]

The Dream Team has more guys to defend Jokic than the current team, and who can't shoot 50% from 22 feet?.. Several guys were already above 50% for the original Dream Team and that was without giving threes a 2nd thought.

Spamming threes is the easiest way to play, so if women and high-school teams can do it, why can't the original Dream Team?.. Teams like South Sudan and Nigeria play us close specifically because ANYONE can spam threes.

The dream team would be shell shocked going up against a team hitting that many 3s.

We saw them lose to college kids.

Them going up against Jokic with his guards hitting all of their 3s would have been a nightmare scenario for them.

[RRR3]

The dream team would be shell shocked going up against a team hitting that many 3s.

We saw them lose to college kids.

Them going up against Jokic with his guards hitting all of their 3s would have been a nightmare scenario for them.
He is too stupid to comprehend the way the 3PT shot has changed the game. He actually thinks a similar style is being played now as to what was being played in 1992, I mean that's insane delusion. Tons of 1992 players wouldn't even make the league now.

[ELITEpower23]

LeBron so far in these Olympics

23 MPG
14.2 PPG
7.0 RPG
8.6 APG
67 FG%

Jordan in the '92 Olympics
23 MPG
14.9 PPG
2.4 RPG
4.8 APG
45 FG%

How is a 39 year old LeBron outplaying peak Jordan? Is Jordan even top 3 anymore with Kareem and Russell now knocking on his door?

[dankok8]

Yeah, there is no point arguing with someone this retarded.

Holy shit.

Just...wow

:roll:

It's kind of rich for you to call me dumb! :lol

Anyways let me break it down for you...

The 2024 NBA shoots 36.6% from 3pt range which is 54.9 %TS. Meanwhile the league average TS% in 2024 is 58.0 %TS. Clearly the 3pt shot is actually inefficient on average and isn't driving the offensive explosion.

[RRR3]

It's kind of rich for you to call me dumb! :lol

Anyways let me break it down for you...

The 2024 NBA shoots 36.6% from 3pt range which is 54.9 %TS. Meanwhile the league average TS% in 2024 is 58.0 %TS. Clearly the 3pt shot is actually inefficient on average and isn't driving the offensive explosion.
You are just further proving you're dumb with this post. I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but the threat of the 3PT shot and the way it warps defenses is why 2PTers are so highly converted now. Seriously how do you not know that? :hammerhead:

I'd love to see you coach a team with this "3s are inefficient" strategy they'd go 8-74 :roll:

[3ba11]

The dream team would be shell shocked going up against a team hitting that many 3s.

We saw them lose to college kids.

Them going up against Jokic with his guards hitting all of their 3s would have been a nightmare scenario for them.


Women, high school teams and poor countries can spam threes, so the Dream Team would spam threes too

Spamming threes is why all these weaker teams like South Sudan can hang with us, so three-point shooting is basically a wash in the long-run, which means the team with the best 2-point game would be the best over the long-term.. That's the original Dream Team obviously - the greatest ever at 2-pointers, aka basketball.

[dankok8]

You are just further proving you're dumb with this post. I can't believe I have to explain this to you, but the threat of the 3PT shot and the way it warps defenses is why 2PTers are so highly converted now. Seriously how do you not know that? :hammerhead:

I'd love to see you coach a team with this "3s are inefficient" strategy they'd go 8-74 :roll:

Spacing is 100% a factor in making offense easier but that's not what you said though.

You said the math of the 3pt shot would prevent the 92 Dream Team from winning.

[RRR3]

Spacing is 100% a factor in making offense easier but that's not what you said though.

You said the math of the 3pt shot would prevent the 92 Dream Team from winning.
I mean the league average TS% in 1992 was 53.1 TS%, so even if we just take current league 3PT shooting numbers without any context, they easily beat that. That's not even considering they did not guard the 3PT line like modern teams do in 1992, so expecting the 2024 team not to shoot much better than normal with that kind of defense is disingenuous.

[3ba11]

I mean the league average TS% in 1992 was 53.1 TS%, so even if we just take current league 3PT shooting numbers without any context, they easily beat that. That's not even considering they did not guard the 3PT line like modern teams do in 1992, so expecting the 2024 team not to shoot much better than normal with that kind of defense is disingenuous.


Everyone outshoots us like South Sudan or Serbia, so three-point spamming goes back and forth and breaks even in the long-run, which means the team with the better 2-pointers is the best team in the end.. That's the 92' Dream Team

[ShawkFactory]

Everyone outshoots us like South Sudan or Serbia, so three-point spamming goes back and forth and breaks even in the long-run, which means the team with the better 2-pointers is the best team in the end.. That's the 92' Dream Team

Not even close :lol

[3ba11]

Not even close :lol



3-point shooting

South Sudan........ 11-29 (38%)
United States....... 13-30 (43%)


2-point shooting

South Sudan........ 21-45 (47%)
United States....... 24-40 (60%)


Women, high school teams and countries without indoor courts can spam threes and shoot with us..

Since anyone spam threes and it's a wash in the long-run, it's really all about who is better at 2-pointers, aka basketball - the original Dream Team was the best at 2-pointers, while anyone can spam threes, so they have the clear advantage over any team in history.

[sdot_thadon]

I mean the league average TS% in 1992 was 53.1 TS%, so even if we just take current league 3PT shooting numbers without any context, they easily beat that. That's not even considering they did not guard the 3PT line like modern teams do in 1992, so expecting the 2024 team not to shoot much better than normal with that kind of defense is disingenuous.

You've gotta understand in all these hypotheticals we're supposed to expect the past teams or players to do things they never did while expecting the current guys not to lol.

[RRR3]

You've gotta understand in all these hypotheticals we're supposed to expect the past teams or players to do things they never did while expecting the current guys not to lol.
If time travel was possible, it would be a nightmare for MJ fans because teams from 92 are getting ****ing obliterated by even like the Sacramento Kings.

[sdot_thadon]

If time travel was possible, it would be a nightmare for MJ fans because teams from 92 are getting ****ing obliterated by even like the Sacramento Kings.

Well I can't say for sure but I do know seeing teams put up 40 3s or make 20 of em would be pretty alien to a 90s squad cold turkey. Meanwhile I can't see how guys playing now would be awestruck seeing midrange jumpers lol.

[RRR3]

Well I can't say for sure but I do know seeing teams put up 40 3s or make 20 of em would be pretty alien to a 90s squad cold turkey. Meanwhile I can't see how guys playing now would be awestruck seeing midrange jumpers lol.
If those 92 teams had time to adjust and learn the modern style they'd be fine obviously, but we're not comparing a hypothetical version of them to today's team we're comparing the actual version of them.

[SATAN]

Holy shit. MJ stans got absolutely obliterated, annihilated, incinerated etc etc itt. :oldlol:

[kawhileonard2]

Remind us how many Bronze Medals le ESPN HYPE James has in the Olympics, and how many Bronze Medals Michael AIR Jordan has?
le ESPN HYPE james = 1 BRONZE MEDAL
Michael Air Jordan = 0 bronze medals

How many Gold Medals?
Michael Air Jordan = 2
le ESPNHYPE James = 1

HAHAHAHAHAHA....HA!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal

[kawhileonard2]

KD is the reason the US won he has only won gold. Lebron has 2 bronze medals.

[gengiskhan]

KD is the reason the US won he has only won gold. Lebron has 2 bronze medals.

KD is GOLD.

KD has 2-1 record against LeColluder.

KD followed LBJ's colluding business but has done better destroying LBJ in finals TWICE!

[1987_Lakers]

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