Lebron can't dismiss ring counts of prior eras by saying he won most in tougher era

[3ba11]

because he didn't.. Kobe or Duncan won the most.

Otoh, MJ won the most of his era, so he can trash the ring counts of weaker eras that came before him.

In addition to Lebron not winning the most of his era, he easily lost the most by having the most bad losses (sweeps, record losses), while underperforming favored talent 7 times (losing with preseason favorites or homecourt advantage), and also having bad losses in his prime to many different opponents like the Magic, Mavs, Nuggets, Spurs, Warriors - he was everyone's b*tch.

He was everyone's b**** due to his simpleton "down-hill" skillset - it isn't the caliber of 5-man basketball like the zippy ball movement and bevy of high-assist teams that routinely destroy him and are his obvious achilles heel.. Basically any top team with chemistry ragdolls "bron-ball".. Unlike Curry winning 3 chips in 4 years or Duncan winning 3 in 5, bron-ball cannot produce "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches - it mostly loses regardless of cast, while being unable to effectively compete on the championship level (lottery record on the championship level over a large sample).

[tontoz]

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[3ba11]

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MJ won the most of his era, so he can trash the ring counts of weaker eras that came before him because winning the most chips in the toughest era is all that matters - that's why Russell's rings don't matter.. Unfortunately, Lebron didn't win the most of his era, so he can't trash prior eras, so MJ's 6 chips stand as the goat standard (chips won as the best player).

[sdot_thadon]

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because he didn't.. Kobe or Duncan won the most.

Otoh, MJ won the most of his era, so he can trash the ring counts of weaker eras that came before him.

In addition to Lebron not winning the most of his era, he easily lost the most by having the most bad losses (sweeps, record losses), while underperforming favored talent 7 times (losing with preseason favorites or homecourt advantage), and also having bad losses in his prime to many different opponents like the Magic, Mavs, Nuggets, Spurs, Warriors - he was everyone's b*tch.

He was everyone's b**** due to his simpleton "down-hill" skillset - it isn't the caliber of 5-man basketball like the zippy ball movement and bevy of high-assist teams that routinely destroy him and are his obvious achilles heel.. Basically any top team with chemistry ragdolls "bron-ball".. Unlike Curry winning 3 chips in 4 years or Duncan winning 3 in 5, bron-ball cannot produce "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches - it mostly loses regardless of cast, while being unable to effectively compete on the championship level (lottery record on the championship level over a large sample).

We still counting years Lebron was dunking on high school kids as his nba era? In the years he's played, you know, his actual era? nobody's won more.

[r15mohd]

MJ won the most of his era, so he can trash the ring counts of weaker eras that came before him because winning the most chips in the toughest era is all that matters - that's why Russell's rings don't matter.. Unfortunately, Lebron didn't win the most of his era, so he can't trash prior eras, so MJ's 6 chips stand as the goat standard (chips won as the best player).

Kobe or Duncan dont apply to this. Kobe was the best player for 2 rings, TD for 3. Lebron did this 4 times.

[sdot_thadon]

Kobe or Duncan dont apply to this. Kobe was the best player for 2 rings, TD for 3. Lebron did this 4 times.

And they won most of those before he was even in the league.

[SATAN]

Anyone got any new movie recommendations?

[sdot_thadon]

Anyone got any new movie recommendations?

I'm behind just barely saw Deadpool and Wolverine myself.

[ShawkFactory]

And they won most of those before he was even in the league.

He knows this. He's made another thread about something nonsensical that you responded to to get another response from you.

[Carbine]

Kobe or Duncan dont apply to this. Kobe was the best player for 2 rings, TD for 3. Lebron did this 4 times.

Duncan was clearly and I mean CLEARLY the best player on four title teams.

[Andrei89]

So this forum has now become a bunch of Alts arguin with eachother?

Feels like there are 10 people left with 200 accounts lmao

[rmt]

Kobe or Duncan dont apply to this. Kobe was the best player for 2 rings, TD for 3. Lebron did this 4 times.

I strongly disagree. IMO, you are blinded by the 2007 Finals which really was never in doubt and where Parker had a hobbled Boobie Gibson guarding him. The real series that won them the ring was vs Suns where Duncan dominated. This is not even mentioning the defense that TD brings vs Parker. Duncan was 1st team All-NBA and 1st team All-Defensive in 2006-07 while TP did not get any All-NBA honors.

2007 Regular Season
Duncan 20 pts 10.6 rebs 3.4 asst 2.4 blk 54.6%FG
Parket 18.6 pts 3.2 rebs 5.5 asst 1.1 stl 52%FG

2007 Playoffs
Duncan 22.2 pts 11.54 rebs 3.3 asst 3.1 blks 52.1%FG
Parker 20.8 pts 3.4 rebs 5.8 asst 1.1 stl 48%FG

2007 Playoff vs Suns
Duncan 26.8 pts 13.7 rebs 1.2 asst 4.2 blks 57.3%FG
Parker 20.8 pts 2.8 rebs 5.7 asst 1 stl 45.1%FG

[StrongLurk]

OP has been beaten into the ground and proved wrong probably a dozen times on this exact word-for-word topic. The mods on ISH are trash.

[Phoenix]

I'm behind just barely saw Deadpool and Wolverine myself.

Me too, the first and only time I'll bother with the theatre this year.

[3ba11]

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Can a Lebron fan fill in the ???? part at the bottom for how this exchange would conclude?




Jordan Fan: MJ is GOAT because he won 6 chips as the best player.

Lebron Fan: But Russell won 11, so rings don't matter.

Jordan Fan: Previous eras were weak, so winning the most of your current era is all that is required for GOAT caliber

Lebron Fan: ?????????????????????



^^^ accordingly, the "winning the most of your era" argument destroys the "b-b-but Russell won 11"

[sdot_thadon]

He knows this. He's made another thread about something nonsensical that you responded to to get another response from you.

I've seen that if you give him a response he can't even attempt a refutal to, he'll leave his own thread. He'll go start a new one and see if he can win a different slant on the same topic and still get stomped out within the 1st few posts. He's easily the worst debate guy ever.

[sdot_thadon]

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Can a Lebron fan fill in the ???? part at the bottom for how this exchange would conclude?




Jordan Fan: MJ is GOAT because he won 6 chips as the best player.

Lebron Fan: But Russell won 11, so rings don't matter.

Jordan Fan: Previous eras were weak, so winning the most of your current era is all that is required for GOAT caliber

Lebron Fan: ?????????????????????



^^^ accordingly, the "winning the most of your era" argument destroys the "b-b-but Russell won 11"

Speaking of which case in point:

Lebron Fan: agreed, previous eras are indeed weak thats why Lebron doesnt need 6 to surpass Mj the same way Mj didnt need 11 to surpass Russell:pimp:

3ball: leaves the thread.

[Phoenix]

I've seen that if you give him a response he can't even attempt a refutal to, he'll leave his own thread. He'll go start a new one and see if he can win a different slant on the same topic and still get stomped out within the 1st few posts. He's easily the worst debate guy ever.

The same is true if nobody actually responded to him, the funny thing is most here know that but give him the time of day regardless. Weird forum.

[sdot_thadon]

The same is true if nobody actually responded to him, the funny thing is most here know that but give him the time of day regardless. Weird forum.

So true.

[3ba11]

Speaking of which case in point:

Lebron Fan: agreed, previous eras are indeed weak thats why Lebron doesnt need 6 to surpass Mj the same way Mj didnt need 11 to surpass Russell:pimp:

3ball: leaves the thread.


Winning the most of your era qualifies you to be compared to prior eras and their ring counts - Jordan winning the most of his era is why his ring count gets compared to Russell's and the comparison of eras can begin.. Otoh, Lebron didn't win the most of his era, so he doesn't qualify for a GOAT debate between Russell and MJ

[sdot_thadon]

Winning the most of your era qualifies you to be compared to prior eras and their ring counts - Jordan winning the most of his era is why his ring count gets compared to Russell's and the comparison of eras can begin.. Otoh, Lebron didn't win the most of his era, so he doesn't qualify for a GOAT debate between Russell and MJ

Lying over and over won't ever make the lie true, you tried with hundreds of thousands of posts and still we all know you're full of shit.

[3ba11]

Lying over and over won't ever make the lie true, you tried with hundreds of thousands of posts and still we all know you're full of shit.


In addition to Lebron not winning the most of his era, his simpleton "bron-ball" skillset easily lost the most by having the most bad losses (sweeps, record losses), while underperforming favored talent 7 times (losing with preseason favorites or homecourt advantage), and also having bad losses in his prime to a BEVY of different opponents like the Magic, Mavs, Nuggets, Spurs, Warriors - he was everyone's b****

[sdot_thadon]

Lying over and over won't ever make the lie true, you tried with hundreds of thousands of posts and still we all know you're full of shit.

Same.

[ELITEpower23]

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He has done more for LeBron's GOAT case than anyone else.

[John8204]

If we're being frank you can't point to Kobe/Shaq/Duncan as the "tough era" when we know the refs were on the take and some of the shadiest series of all time were affected during this run.

Jordan on the other hand never played against a super team and won. Jordan was only able to succeed because of contract issues with Pippen. He only won in a small window of time.

Lebron's repeated title runs over 20 years means a lot...and he's doing it against international competition when previous generations only played US players from the NCAA field.

To me rings are less important than title runs...how many times did you make the conference or NBA finals

[nayte]

If we're being frank you can't point to Kobe/Shaq/Duncan as the "tough era" when we know the refs were on the take and some of the shadiest series of all time were affected during this run.

Jordan on the other hand never played against a super team and won. Jordan was only able to succeed because of contract issues with Pippen. He only won in a small window of time.

Lebron's repeated title runs over 20 years means a lot...and he's doing it against international competition when previous generations only played US players from the NCAA field.

To me rings are less important than title runs...how many times did you make the conference or NBA finals

Why are rings less important than title runs.i would like to hear the absolutely terrible reasoning for it

[nayte]

The same is true if nobody actually responded to him, the funny thing is most here know that but give him the time of day regardless. Weird forum.


This is true but yet you still do along with sdot any any others who do it
So why?

[Phoenix]

This is true but yet you still do along with sdot any any others who do it
So why?

When do you see me replying to the content of his thread? I drop my 3ball memes and bounce. I mean you're here in the thread as well, but are you actually engaging his bullshit? No.....ok then.

[John8204]

Why are rings less important than title runs.i would like to hear the absolutely terrible reasoning for it

Because somebody has to win every season...but if you are contending every year it's not luck or a good setup.

[rmt]

If we're being frank you can't point to Kobe/Shaq/Duncan as the "tough era" when we know the refs were on the take and some of the shadiest series of all time were affected during this run.

Jordan on the other hand never played against a super team and won. Jordan was only able to succeed because of contract issues with Pippen. He only won in a small window of time.

Lebron's repeated title runs over 20 years means a lot...and he's doing it against international competition when previous generations only played US players from the NCAA field.

To me rings are less important than title runs...how many times did you make the conference or NBA finals

You really think winning MORE in a short period of time is WORSE than winning LESS in a longer period of time? smh

[John8204]

You really think winning MORE in a short period of time is WORSE than winning LESS in a longer period of time? smh

I don't consider making the conference/NBA finals as "losing" I respect teams that place every year and have that consistency over years.

I'd rather have a team make 10 title runs over 12 years than have a team win one ring and you never see them again.

[Axe]

I'd rather have a team make 10 title runs over 12 years than have a team win one ring and you never see them again.
By this hilarious logic, you obviously prefer bron's 10x trips to the finals than kobe's lower 7x. Got it.

[Phoenix]

I don't consider making the conference/NBA finals as "losing" I respect teams that place every year and have that consistency over years.

I'd rather have a team make 10 title runs over 12 years than have a team win one ring and you never see them again.

You're a fan of the 90s' Buffalo Bills, aren't you? Because that's( not surprisingly) some asinine reasoning. I doubt there is a single player remotely interested in winning championships that would prefer the scenario you're describing.

[TheCorporation]

You're still on this Pro LeBron crusade I see

[rmt]

I don't consider making the conference/NBA finals as "losing" I respect teams that place every year and have that consistency over years.

I'd rather have a team make 10 title runs over 12 years than have a team win one ring and you never see them again.

Maybe you should ask Lebron if he would prefer 6 rings in 14 years than 4 rings/6 more finals in 21 years - 50% more championships in 2/3 the time.

[sdot_thadon]

Maybe you should ask Lebron if he would prefer 6 rings in 14 years than 4 rings/6 more finals in 21 years - 50% more championships in 2/3 the time.

While i completely agree with your premise on some level, 50% sounds great but it's literally 2. 1,2. Not a huge difference when Russell is in double figures, he's the standard.

[rmt]

While i completely agree with your premise on some level, 50% sounds great but it's literally 2. 1,2. Not a huge difference when Russell is in double figures, he's the standard.

My math is correct - 2 is 50% of 4. And 14 years is 2/3 of 21.

[warriorfan]

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Can a Lebron fan fill in the ???? part at the bottom for how this exchange would conclude?




Jordan Fan: MJ is GOAT because he won 6 chips as the best player.

Lebron Fan: But Russell won 11, so rings don't matter.

Jordan Fan: Previous eras were weak, so winning the most of your current era is all that is required for GOAT caliber

Lebron Fan: ?????????????????????



^^^ accordingly, the "winning the most of your era" argument destroys the "b-b-but Russell won 11"

boom

check mate

lebron fans make it too easy with their inconsistent criteria, it gets picked apart so easily. it’s mind blowing to me.

if you wanted to make a good case of lebron being goat you would have to be an extraordinary iq to create air tight arguments in his behalf

what i’m trying to say it’s an uphill battle for them already, and them not being too proficient in all this just makes it a slaughter

bron stan’s, i know it ain’t easy but step your game up

[StrongLurk]

3ball made like 3 posts in his own thread and scrammed because he got so easily picked apart. It's like groundhog's day here.

[sdot_thadon]

My math is correct - 2 is 50% of 4. And 14 years is 2/3 of 21.

Never said it was incorrect, just that saying 50% makes it sound like a massive gulf when in all reality 50% = 2 lol. I know we mostly deal in absolutes here but the logic can be unintentionally hilarious when you take a step back or even worse a closer look. Kobe is literally 2 games decided by 6 points from having 6 rings. Lebron is literally 4 wins from having 6 himself with a couple of one basket games in there too. It's hard for me to believe anyone's opinion would change based on those small group of games going the other way. Meanwhile has 11 which is like an entire goat candidate more worth of rings lol. It basically takes 2 top 3 guys put together to equal or slightly edge Russell in rings. Very flawed angle, that's all.

[Axe]

The better argument would be number of finals mvps. Jordan has the most so far so he holds that distinction.

But op is talking about ring counts here. So ofc, it might be irrelevant pointing that one out. But in that department, russell certainly holds the most of them all.

[3ba11]

Russell certainly holds the most rings.





in a weak era, so who cares.... MJ won the most in the tougher era, so he's GOAT... Meanwhile, Lebron didn't win the most of ANY era, so he doesn't qualify for the debate, #fakedebate, #LeFraud

[sdot_thadon]

in a weak era, so who cares.... MJ won the most in the tougher era, so he's GOAT... Meanwhile, Lebron didn't win the most of ANY era, so he doesn't qualify for the debate, #fakedebate, #LeFraud

And Mj won them in a weak era where the only nba players came from the states and they decided to add several teams and dilute the team strength of alot of teams. And get this, one of the best foreign players available, the "jordan/magic" of his country? Was given to Mike to be his 6th man lol. They also played less games in the playoffs in Mjs era as well. This idiot falls to realize every stupid weak era argument he uses against Russell to excuse Mj can be used against Mj to excuse Lebron. Cut it out you're making our era look worse every time you post.

[3ba11]

And Mj won them in a weak era where the only nba players came from the states and they decided to add several teams and dilute the team strength of alot of teams. And get this, one of the best foreign players available, the "jordan/magic" of his country? Was given to Mike to be his 6th man lol. They also played less games in the playoffs in Mjs era as well. This idiot falls to realize every stupid weak era argument he uses against Russell to excuse Mj can be used against Mj to excuse Lebron. Cut it out you're making our era look worse every time you post.


Jordan's era was tougher than Russell's, so Jordan dismissed Russell by saying "I won the most rings of the toughest era"

Lebron didn't win the most of the current era so he can't dismiss prior eras.. It's pretty simple.

[StrongLurk]

Jordan's era was tougher than Russell's, so Jordan dismissed Russell by saying "I won the most rings of the toughest era"

Lebron didn't win the most of the current era so he can't dismiss prior eras.. It's pretty simple.

Since all you do is shamelessly lie, I am just going to say MJ won 0 rings. Never won anything according to me :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

Since all you do is shamelessly lie, I am just going to say MJ won 0 rings. Never won anything according to me :confusedshrug:


The theory that Lebron fans utilize is that the latest era is always the toughest... By this logic, in 1998, Jordan could say that he won the most of the toughest/current era, and therefore the ring counts of prior/weaker eras are dismissed/erased/don't matter.

Who cares about 11 rings in the weaker era when MJ won the most of the tougher era?... Unfortunately, Lebron cannot make this argument because it requires winning the most of your era.. carry on playing pretend like you don't understand

[RRR3]

The theory that Lebron fans utilize is that the latest era is always the toughest... By this logic, in 1998, Jordan could say that he won the most of the toughest/current era, and therefore the ring counts of prior/weaker eras are dismissed/erased/don't matter.

Who cares about 11 rings in the weaker era when MJ won the most of the tougher era?... Unfortunately, Lebron cannot make this argument because it requires winning the most of your era.. carry on playing pretend like you don't understand
MJ never won a single playoff series.

[Axe]

in a weak era, so who cares.... MJ won the most in the tougher era, so he's GOAT... Meanwhile, Lebron didn't win the most of ANY era, so he doesn't qualify for the debate, #fakedebate, #LeFraud
You are obviously butthurt because russell has the amount of rings that both jordan and kobe have combined.

[StrongLurk]

The theory that Lebron fans utilize is that the latest era is always the toughest... By this logic, in 1998, Jordan could say that he won the most of the toughest/current era, and therefore the ring counts of prior/weaker eras are dismissed/erased/don't matter.

Who cares about 11 rings in the weaker era when MJ won the most of the tougher era?... Unfortunately, Lebron cannot make this argument because it requires winning the most of your era.. carry on playing pretend like you don't understand

MJ never won a ring. It's the truth :confusedshrug:.

[WhiteKyrie]

There’s no such thing as tougher era. It’s just your era