LeBron James or Michael Jordan

[AlternativeAcc.]

Who is better all-time?

[8Ball]

Better basketball player? LeBron
Better career? LeBron
Better longevity? LeBron

[AlternativeAcc.]

Better basketball player? LeBron
Better career? LeBron
Better longevity? LeBron

Can't argue with any of those tbh.


Who gave my thread a 1 star rating?

[SouBeachTalents]

Jordan never lost a Finals

[AlternativeAcc.]

Low IQ carbine with the sole MJ vote? :lol

[Manny98]

It's not really a debate anymore tbh

[nayte]

Cause it's stupid.who gives a **** about this played out story

[Airupthere]

The word all-time has to be put in just to lebron can be put into contention :oldlol: Without longevity he lost 2/4 in a unprecedented superteam MIA at that time, in his prime.

[ELITEpower23]

Better basketball player? LeBron
Better career? LeBron
Better longevity? LeBron

[ELITEpower23]

The word all-time has to be put in just to lebron can be put into contention :oldlol: Without longevity he lost 2/4 in a unprecedented superteam MIA at that time, in his prime.

Relax. Take a breath and wipe the Cheetos dust from your neckbeard :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Anyone voting for Lebron wasn't alive or was still shitting their diapers when Jordan was around establish his GOATness.

[Axe]

Wemby.

[90sgoat]

Let's get some new polls, this one is MJ and it's easy.

I promise you guys, in 20 years, no one will care much about Lebron. He'll be treated like Wilt. People will dig up his stats and most everyone else will wonder how he didn't win more with all his great teammates.

[SouBeachTalents]

Let's get some new polls, this one is MJ and it's easy.

I promise you guys, in 20 years, no one will care much about Lebron. He'll be treated like Wilt. People will dig up his stats and most everyone else will wonder how he didn't win more with all his great teammates.
Whatever you need to tell yourself bro :lol

[SATAN]

Anyone voting for Lebron wasn't alive or was still shitting their diapers when Jordan was around establish his GOATness.

https://cdn.firespring.com/images/9f75c350-62ed-4251-98b1-33af53d9186a.jpg

Grocery bagger era :facepalm

[Axe]

I find it really amusing that this laughingstock message board still never gets tired of talking about either of these two every single day. "Make higher the pee for the pissing contest", they even said. :roll:

[TheCorporation]

The word all-time has to be put in just to lebron can be put into contention :oldlol: Without longevity he lost 2/4 in a unprecedented superteam MIA at that time, in his prime.

That's not why it was included. Peak is LBJ by a long shot. MJ's only chance is a career comparison and it's still a LeBron win once again.

[HylianNightmare]

Grocery bagger era :facepalm
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZU9rgeqkEE

UPS driver era

[Nowoco]

I'm going to have to give this some serious thought. Such a debate has blindsided me.

[8Ball]

That's not why it was included. Peak is LBJ by a long shot. MJ's only chance is a career comparison and it's still a LeBron win once again.

Bro you back!

Whats happening.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan has about 3 or 4 legit votes, the rest is an alt.

Pretty sad.

[jstern]

Jordan has a freak body chemistry that makes him the GOAT. If you put him in any era, he's going to be the best, due to his competitiveness and obsession to be the best. And if you understand what it meant to be Michael Jordan, why his name became synonymous with winning (the Michael Jordan of...) then you would understand how 2011 completely eliminated Lebron from ever being greater than Jordan.

It's a body chemistry that I cannot describe in a simple way. Basically, we're talking about a perfect mind, in terms of competition, versus your typical human who will have anxiety during pressure moments.

And if you're casual, or started watching after Jordan's time, then you're just not going to understand, because you're viewing them as equals, mentally. And you might even think that I'm saying that Lebron has a weak mind. No, Jordan was just a freak of nature. A particular human mutation.

If you take someone with an equal mind, whose passion was MMA, then that person would be the top MMA guy. If Jordan was 18 years old now and into MMA, then eventually he will be the best in the world.

[Carbine]

I don't agree with that. Jordan had basketball specific athletic traits that were god given that had nothing to do with his work ethic. He had gigantic hands which allowed him to have complete control of the ball in traffic and tight quarters while taking contact.

In my opinion he's the best basketball specific athlete I've ever seen. The hangtime, the first step, agility and bend, two foot vertical - these things are the premium physical traits a guard could have and he had all of them in spades.

So the point is he had more than most anyone ever to work with from a physical talent perspective. His work ethic and mentality just pushed him into a 1 of 1 category.

He proved work ethic didn't mean much in baseball. His mentality didn't change from basketball to be the best, his desire to be good at baseball was there. He just wasn't talented at the game for the MLB level.

[jstern]

I don't agree with that. Jordan had basketball specific athletic traits that were god given that had nothing to do with his work ethic. He had gigantic hands which allowed him to have complete control of the ball in traffic and tight quarters while taking contact.

In my opinion he's the best basketball specific athlete I've ever seen. The hangtime, the first step, agility and bend, two foot vertical - these things are the premium physical traits a guard could have and he had all of them in spades.

So the point is he had more than most anyone ever to work with from a physical talent perspective. His work ethic and mentality just pushed him into a 1 of 1 category.

He proved work ethic didn't mean much in baseball. His mentality didn't change from basketball to be the best, his desire to be good at baseball was there. He just wasn't talented at the game for the MLB level.

You're talking about physical traits, (where Lebron has the advantage) and I am specifically talking about Jordan's body chemistry and mind.

Hang time is an illusion, the rest, such as first step, footwork, overall skills, that's a product of his personality, his extreme competitive nature. I often think about the fact that Jordan wasn't that much aware of the Rodney King situation back when it was all over the news, because he was simply too focused on bettering his game at an obsessive level. (Some people see that as a negative, but no, focusing on what's the most important thing to focus in your life is so much better than wasting any sort of energy on the latest political drama. Maybe that's why FultzNationRISE stopped wasting his time in the Off the Court, Political Discussion, recognizing what a waste of time it is).

Of course you still need to be 6'6", young, athletic, high IQ, etc., but his personality just made him work a little harder on those things. Playing just as hard during practice as in the game, etc.

Then the other aspects where the body chemistry is clutch moments. I would have to show many videos, a simple post is not going to do it justice, but there are subtle mistakes that even Kobe made in the clutch. Because Kobe, despite being smarter than the average person, which led him to develop a top 2 level of skills game.

It's been so long, but I remember in the final seconds of a playoff game, something didn't go Kobe's way, he missed a shot or something, he got angry or something, turned to the ref, and in doing so, the other team got the rebound. That's very human. And then you have Jordan as a Wizard, falls and bangs the back of his head, hard. Continued looking for the open man, and once the play stopped, that's when he reacted. (I could actually see Kobe doing that though, but not Lebron.)

Then there's stuff like the flu game.

[warriorfan]

I don't agree with that. Jordan had basketball specific athletic traits that were god given that had nothing to do with his work ethic. He had gigantic hands which allowed him to have complete control of the ball in traffic and tight quarters while taking contact.

In my opinion he's the best basketball specific athlete I've ever seen. The hangtime, the first step, agility and bend, two foot vertical - these things are the premium physical traits a guard could have and he had all of them in spades.

So the point is he had more than most anyone ever to work with from a physical talent perspective. His work ethic and mentality just pushed him into a 1 of 1 category.

He proved work ethic didn't mean much in baseball. His mentality didn't change from basketball to be the best, his desire to be good at baseball was there. He just wasn't talented at the game for the MLB level.

I don’t know if you ever played but picking back up a baseball at 30 years old is legit insane.

him making it as far as he did speaks volumes of his work ethic rather than the contrary

[Carbine]

He didn't make it very far. He was given the opportunity because it was Chicago, Jerry owned the Whitesox and it was good for business.

AA ball and hit .201 with an 556 OPS is downright garbage.

[tpols]

He didn't make it very far. He was given the opportunity because it was Chicago, Jerry owned the Whitesox and it was good for business.

AA ball and hit .201 with an 556 OPS is downright garbage.


Baseball has a higher skill threshold than basketball. You can't just pick it up at 30 again when you haven't played for decades. Basketball we see guys like Tim Duncan and Embiid who never even shot a basketball until they were like 15 or 16 years old but were almost immediately elite (mostly because of their size). Tons of centers can't even shoot FTs better than a high school guard and they're pros because of their athleticism and size.