electoral vs popular vote

[Jasper]

As most of you know , we the US is the only country in the world that uses the electoral college for results to pass (or vote) in a president.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFZyFmILb5w

This can be changed , and in my opinion our majority voters can be heard.

[SouBeachTalents]

Please make more threads, 3 in 25 minutes isn't enough.

[Patrick Chewing]

All this proper embedding tells me that someone is helping you behind the scenes. Fess up, gramps. Who is posting for you?

[Lakers Legend#32]

If Kamala wins by the popular vote by more than 3% she wins the electoral college.

[TheMan]

If Kamala wins by the popular vote by more than 3% she wins the electoral college.

There are more registered Democrats than Republicans, not by a whole lot but they hold the advantage, if it weren't for the Electoral College, the
GOP wouldn't ever win a presidential election :lol Since 1992, the Dems have won every national vote except for 2004, Dubya's re-election bid. Harris will win the national vote again but Trump's in the game because of the EC.

[BigKobeFan]

As most of you know , we the US is the only country in the world that uses the electoral college for results to pass (or vote) in a president.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFZyFmILb5w

This can be changed , and in my opinion our majority voters can be heard.

Learn your history you ****ing idiot

[Lakers Legend#32]

There are more registered Democrats than Republicans, not by a whole lot but they hold the advantage, if it weren't for the Electoral College, the
GOP wouldn't ever win a presidential election :lol Since 1992, the Dems have won every national vote except for 2004, Dubya's re-election bid. Harris will win the national vote again but Trump's in the game because of the EC.

All the more reason to get rid of the electoral college.

We don't need to put anymore losers into the White House.

[iamgine]

Every system has its downsides. Simple majority rule has its problems, which was why electoral college was created. But of course it too has pro and cons.

It just depends which pro and cons are better in your opinion.

[j3lademaster]

Should we go by popular vote? Maybe a rating system where you rank the candidates like mvp voting in the nba?

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-3Wv8s3NAA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yky9xGsjQTE

[Lakers Legend#32]

If you do not win the popular vote, your presidency has no legitimacy.

[rmt]

So, he's saying that I should give up MY VOTE, MY "CHOICE" for the mob/majority rule?

[j3lademaster]

So, he's saying that I should give up MY VOTE, MY "CHOICE" for the mob/majority rule?What? no. You do realize "mob rule" represents YOUR vote right? Mob rule literally means the people rule society. You don't want that? Mob rule bad is literally oligarchial propaganda.

And going to popular vote is much better for equality. Right now, if you're a tech bro paying 10's of thousands a year in California and you want to support Trump, your vote literally doesn't matter because you're in California. You are a top 1% federal tax revenue contributor and they care more about some 18 year old's vote in Iowa than yours. Imagine that, you should at least be equal with the unemployed 18 year old right? OTOH, if you're in Mississippi Trump doesn't even care about policies who help you because Mississippi will always vote red and dems will ignore you, treating you like a 'lost state' anyway.

[ILLsmak]

What? no. You do realize "mob rule" represents YOUR vote right? Mob rule literally means the people rule society. You don't want that? Mob rule bad is literally oligarchial propaganda.

And going to popular vote is much better for equality. Right now, if you're a tech bro paying 10's of thousands a year in California and you want to support Trump, your vote literally doesn't matter because you're in California. You are a top 1% federal tax revenue contributor and they care more about some 18 year old's vote in Iowa than yours. Imagine that, you should at least be equal with the unemployed 18 year old right? OTOH, if you're in Mississippi Trump doesn't even care about policies who help you because Mississippi will always vote red and dems will ignore you, treating you like a 'lost state' anyway.

That's looking at it way too simply. That's how they can game the system, sure, but people fall into categories as a whole. And there will be outliers. If you make it popular vote only, you will find that there are fewer issues taken into account. It wouldn't just change whole the president was, but they would be governing differently. Our country is set up with safeguards. The House, The Senate... other than the figurehead of being the president, if our government was actually trying to work, none of this would matter.

But you have to look way bigger picture. Plus if someone wanted to, they could have a residence in Iowa and vote there haha. If people cared so much, they could easily move and take over the EC the same way they think they are taking over the popular vote, and it wouldn't be illegal. But it's good that you have to carry a lot of states, imo. They were thinking there wasn't gonna be a R again in general. I think some Obama advisor was saying that. It wasn't until they 'broke the blue wall' that it became possible, and it's still a major uphill battle for them to win. The party that holds the biggest states like IL, CA, NY ends up with a huge head start. It's not 1:1, but it's still an advantage.

-Smak

[j3lademaster]

That's looking at it way too simply. That's how they can game the system, sure, but people fall into categories as a whole. And there will be outliers. If you make it popular vote only, you will find that there are fewer issues taken into account. It wouldn't just change whole the president was, but they would be governing differently. Our country is set up with safeguards. The House, The Senate... other than the figurehead of being the president, if our government was actually trying to work, none of this would matter.

But you have to look way bigger picture. Plus if someone wanted to, they could have a residence in Iowa and vote there haha. If people cared so much, they could easily move and take over the EC the same way they think they are taking over the popular vote, and it wouldn't be illegal. But it's good that you have to carry a lot of states, imo. They were thinking there wasn't gonna be a R again in general. I think some Obama advisor was saying that. It wasn't until they 'broke the blue wall' that it became possible, and it's still a major uphill battle for them to win. The party that holds the biggest states like IL, CA, NY ends up with a huge head start. It's not 1:1, but it's still an advantage.

-Smak"Just buy a house in a swing state and claim that as your primary residence bro" isn't a good solution, and a pretty bad argument. Your vote should be equal to someone who lives in Florida, Iowa, etc. Period. It isn't under the current electoral college, but would be if we had a simpler popular vote system.

[highwhey]

patrickchewing wants his vote to count as 2 votes since technically he's so obese he's as large as 2 regular sized human beings. he actually has made a solid argument for it, since he says that if he's already getting charged for TWO people at the buffet, he should be able to vote as 2 people.

make the chewster's vote count as 2.

[Axe]

patrickchewing wants his vote to count as 2 votes since technically he's so obese he's as large as 2 regular sized human beings. he actually has made a solid argument for it, since he says that if he's already getting charged for TWO people at the buffet, he should be able to vote as 2 people.

make the chewster's vote count as 2.
:milton

[ILLsmak]

"Just buy a house in a swing state and claim that as your primary residence bro" isn't a good solution, and a pretty bad argument. Your vote should be equal to someone who lives in Florida, Iowa, etc. Period. It isn't under the current electoral college, but would be if we had a simpler popular vote system.

It’s actually a great, 100% legal solution. Assuming the question is you’re a tech billionaire, maybe with people under you, and you want more ‘valuable votes.’

Conversely, the fact that it would be logistically hard and maybe not work is a point for the security of EC.

Why is cali so blue? There are republicans there. People vote together, except for outliers, like I said. The swing states are places where two different sets of policies have similar appeal. Don’t you realize why that should be an important part, too?

Lakerslegend posted how magas are saying if they won cali, they wouldn’t have to win the swing states. Imagine if that were true and what a president who people think wants too much power would be able to accomplish in that case.

I guess my tldr is it’s less about numbers than it’s about demographics that have multiple viable choices for policy. I’d argue you’d want to test the policy on that level, for optimal results.

I find the abolish EC clamor to be exceptionally short sighted. However, I am not saying the base idea could not be adjusted. Pure popular vote would arguably require a complete restructure of our govt; that’s what the house is for.

-Smak

[Jasper]

I still believe they should abolish the electoral college.

Let the peoples vote stand out loud and clear who they want.

** Millions of people in this country DO NOT VOTE... (pretty bizarre in my thoughts)

[j3lademaster]

It’s actually a great, 100% legal solution. Assuming the question is you’re a tech billionaire, maybe with people under you, and you want more ‘valuable votes.’
Who is talking about billionaires? I said tech bros paying 10's of thousands in taxes per year... that's not a billionaire, that's someone making 100k+ who isn't even considered wealthy in CA. Who cares about billionaires? that's only like 1000 votes across all of them, the upper middle class pays all of the taxes. People of this demographic objectively contribute more to our society as a whole than an 18 year old unemployed Iowan, which was my example, and should have AT LEAST an equal vote without having to buy a house in Iowa and risking voter fraud. And if people can game the system by buying a house in swing states to dictate an election, then that's actually you arguing against the electoral college, you do realize that? You're literally pointing out why it's broken while trying to defend it lol.


Conversely, the fact that it would be logistically hard and maybe not work is a point for the security of EC.

Why is cali so blue? There are republicans there. People vote together, except for outliers, like I said. The swing states are places where two different sets of policies have similar appeal. DonÂ’t you realize why that should be an important part, too?
No, I don't. I don't think a relatively small population(compared to the rest of the US) should be able to dictate elections, that's incredibly undemocratic. And cali is blue because they have a large educated population, though a lot are fed up with DEI, CA teacher's union, and woke shit being thrown in their faces. Vance is fumbling the bag doubling down and echoing Trump rather than trying to reach across and get these guys.


Lakerslegend posted how magas are saying if they won cali, they wouldnÂ’t have to win the swing states. Imagine if that were true and what a president who people think wants too much power would be able to accomplish in that case.I never read this post and could care less. Why are we gossiping about another poster out of the blue? That's gay as hell.


I guess my tldr is itÂ’s less about numbers than itÂ’s about demographics that have multiple viable choices for policy. IÂ’d argue youÂ’d want to test the policy on that level, for optimal results.

I find the abolish EC clamor to be exceptionally short sighted. However, I am not saying the base idea could not be adjusted. Pure popular vote would arguably require a complete restructure of our govt; thatÂ’s what the house is for.

-SmakNo, it wouldn't. It would just mean candidates have to suggest policy that are POPULAR for the majority of americans rather than taking their red/blue states for granted and pandering to swing states. That's literally what a democracy means.

[Patrick Chewing]

patrickchewing wants his vote to count as 2 votes since technically he's so obese he's as large as 2 regular sized human beings. he actually has made a solid argument for it, since he says that if he's already getting charged for TWO people at the buffet, he should be able to vote as 2 people.

make the chewster's vote count as 2.


Look at my avy. LOOK AT IT! I had a hell of a time trying to crop that giant face in there for it to fit.

[highwhey]

calm down big guy. everything will be OK.

[Jasper]

calm down big guy. everything will be OK.

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