Newsom signs bill that makes posting memes & parody illegal

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13864401/Elon-Musk-accuses-Gavin-Newsom-making-parody-illegal-California-governor-cracks-use-AI-create-fake-images-videos-political-ads.html

[Real Men Wear Green]

The enforcement is potentially problematic but if someone sees a photo of a haitian eating a cat and based upon that decide to vote for a racist that they may not have otherwise because the "proof" in that fake photo convinced them that something is a problem when it is not...this is something that needs to be dealt with. Besides, deepfakes used to slander someone is absolutely defamation, which is not covered by freedom of speech.

[Patrick Chewing]

The enforcement is potentially problematic but if someone sees a photo of a haitian eating a cat and based upon that decide to vote for a racist that they may not have otherwise because the "proof" in that fake photo convinced them that something is a problem when it is not...this is something that needs to be dealt with. Besides, deepfakes used to slander someone is absolutely defamation, which is not covered by freedom of speech.

:oldlol:


This ****ing dumbass. Something that needs to be dealt with huh?? You guy will become full on Nazis just to stop Trump. Truly despicable people you have become.

[ShawkFactory]

:oldlol:


This ****ing dumbass. Something that needs to be dealt with huh?? You guy will become full on Nazis just to stop Trump. Truly despicable people you have become.

Of course there are levels to everything, but you don’t find it even slightly problematic that Trump is announcing things in a presidential debate that are blatantly false and based on troll memes/videos?

[Patrick Chewing]

Of course there are levels to everything, but you don’t find it even slightly problematic that Trump is announcing things in a presidential debate that are blatantly false and based on troll memes/videos?

And you want to make this illegal? And it's not false to begin with. There have been cases. But let's assume it was false....so what? That's freedom of speech. It's up to us to decipher the information for ourselves. There is no Truth Commission and there is no sole arbiter of what is true and what is false. Everyone lies. Kamala lied. Obama lied. All politicians lie in order to sway the vote. To make this illegal or a crime is nothing more than a play at silencing the opposition because we cannot do a good enough job of convincing the voters ourselves of voting for us.

So the Liberal answer is to put more people in prison and to put more people through the court system costing the taxpayer? It's not just a stupid idea, it's a CRAZY idea. Lying and posting memes and making fun of people is a God-given right and any person or government trying to infringe on that is tyrannical. The same thing you accuse Trump of.

[ShawkFactory]

And you want to make this illegal? And it's not false to begin with. There have been cases. But let's assume it was false....so what? That's freedom of speech. It's up to us to decipher the information for ourselves. There is no Truth Commission and there is no sole arbiter of what is true and what is false. Everyone lies. Kamala lied. Obama lied. All politicians lie in order to sway the vote. To make this illegal or a crime is nothing more than a play at silencing the opposition because we cannot do a good enough job of convincing the voters ourselves of voting for us.

So the Liberal answer is to put more people in prison and to put more people through the court system costing the taxpayer? It's not just a stupid idea, it's a CRAZY idea. Lying and posting memes and making fun of people is a God-given right and any person or government trying to infringe on that is tyrannical. The same thing you accuse Trump of.

I didn't say that..

I just asked a simple question.

[Hey Yo]

Of course there are levels to everything, but you don’t find it even slightly problematic that Trump is announcing things in a presidential debate that are blatantly false and based on troll memes/videos?

One could ask the same about Harris' claims that there are zero U.S soldiers in overseas combat zones. It was a blatant lie to sway voters and don't think her coaches told her to say that and use it as a pat on her back. Her coaches would know better cause it would easily be debunked. There's currently a combined like 3,500 troops overseas.

[Patrick Chewing]

I didn't say that..

I just asked a simple question.

I understand, but just the mere fact that a question such as this has to be asked is pure lunacy in the first place.

The Conservative/Republican argument against things like this has always been that Liberals/Democrats are on the "slippery slope" side of politics. Meaning that it starts off with a simple idea that otherwise would have never been considered, and Democrats will argue that it's not a big deal and that it will never lead to anything crazier, but in reality, it almost always does lead to the craziest of ideas. And Republicans are notoriously weak and never push back on insane ideas like this and eventually the country slides further to the Left towards the side of Totalitarianism. Just an example, but if you tell me that driving without a seatbelt is perfectly safe and one day while I'm driving, I have a wreck and I end up paralyzed cause I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, it wouldn't be your fault that you told me it was perfectly safe to drive without a seatbelt, it would be and should be my dumbass fault for not wearing one in the first place.


The right to speak freely which includes telling the truth and telling lies should always be protected.

[Patrick Chewing]

One could ask the same about Harris' claims that there are zero U.S soldiers in overseas combat zones. It was a blatant lie to sway voters and don't think her coaches told her to say that and use it as a pat on her back. Her coaches would know better cause it would easily be debunked. There's currently a combined like 3,500 troops overseas.

Exactly. Politicians lie and stretch the truth all the time to sway the voter.

Hillary lied about landing in Bosnia under heavy sniper fire.
Joe Biden lied about being arrested in South Africa while trying to see Nelson Mandela.
Joe Biden continues to lie about his son Beau Biden dying in the Iraq war.
Obama lied about keeping your health care plan and doctor and he was elected twice!


So you see, when you look at this objectively, and when you only see it coming from the Left, you have to conclude that it is ONLY done to silence the Right and more importantly, Trump.

[ShawkFactory]

Okay, I'll rephrase the question. Because it wasn't actually about Trump vs Kamala, or right vs left.

This is something that has become more prominent in the last 10-15 years: Is completely unregulated reporting a positive for society? Throw out legality, because that's not the question. It's also not about politicians lying.

[JohnnySic]

The cat thing, true or false, is nowhere near as bad as Kamala still milking the Jan 6th drivel.

[Patrick Chewing]

Okay, I'll rephrase the question. Because it wasn't actually about Trump vs Kamala, or right vs left.

This is something that has become more prominent in the last 10-15 years: Is completely unregulated reporting a positive for society? Throw out legality, because that's not the question. It's also not about politicians lying.

I think it's neither a positive or a negative. I think it's irrelevant. In today's society, the average person has so much access to information at their fingertips that they do not need someone telling them fact from fiction or vice versa. Independent Journalism is on the rise because of this. Because we can find out the information quicker and precise without the fluff and without the agenda.

[Real Men Wear Green]

:oldlol:


This ****ing dumbass. Something that needs to be dealt with huh?? You guy will become full on Nazis just to stop Trump. Truly despicable people you have become.
Being hated by someone like you doesn't bother me as much as you may be hoping. I actually expect it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I think it's neither a positive or a negative. I think it's irrelevant. In today's society, the average person has so much access to information at their fingertips that they do not need someone telling them fact from fiction or vice versa. Independent Journalism is on the rise because of this. Because we can find out the information quicker and precise without the fluff and without the agenda.
Your justification for the incessant lying isn't going to work, FYI.

[Patrick Chewing]

Your justification for the incessant lying isn't going to work, FYI.

Whatever you have to tell yourself to sleep at night, Nazi.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Only a matter of time before the internet becomes a police state.

We’ve already seen ridiculous amounts of censorship, so policing the internet is what’s next to come.

And just like Covid vaccines for children… you dumbasses will support the idea

[Off the Court]

Only a matter of time before the internet becomes a police state.

We’ve already seen ridiculous amounts of censorship, so policing the internet is what’s next to come.

And just like Covid vaccines for children… you dumbasses will support the idea

Only a matter of time? It's been policed since the start. That is why there is a "dark web" so that people can post illegal material without being arrested.

[Off the Court]

And slander has always been illegal too. That is what Alex Jones was sued for.

You shouldn't be allowed to completely wreck someone's life on the internet.

[Off the Court]

The only thing this does is take what was already illegal, and close the loophole that allows people to bypass it by calling it a "parody"

[Off the Court]

And IIRC, that is exactly what Alex Jones tried to do in defense. He labeled his show an "act". AKA a "parody"

"Sorry I ruined these parents lives, but it was all just pretend fun".


Newsome is just making it to where you can't use that defense any more.

[ArbitraryWater]

Of course there are levels to everything, but you don’t find it even slightly problematic that Trump is announcing things in a presidential debate that are blatantly false and based on troll memes/videos?


So ****ing what?


How shoud that be a crime?


Are you insane? Where are we moving to here?

How do you and RMWG even exist?


:oldlol:

[Media Moderator]

"Liberals" what happened to you guys? :oldlol:

The list of things you are liberal on is growing shorter and shorter every year. You mainly got gay/trans rights and abortion. That's about it. You are authoritarian on so many more things.

Who thought 30 years ago the right would be the real liberals and rebels in 2024? :oldlol:

[RRR3]

"Liberals" what happened to you guys? :oldlol:

The list of things you are liberal on is growing shorter and shorter every year. You mainly got gay/trans rights and abortion. That's about it. You are authoritarian on so many more things.

Who thought 30 years ago the right would be the real liberals and rebels in 2024? :oldlol:
Liberals have always been authoritarian, you legitimately don’t understand the meaning of political terminology.

[Patrick Chewing]

And IIRC, that is exactly what Alex Jones tried to do in defense. He labeled his show an "act". AKA a "parody"

"Sorry I ruined these parents lives, but it was all just pretend fun".


Newsome is just making it to where you can't use that defense any more.

And what constitutes a "ruined life"? Anyone can claim a parody or a falsehood ruined their lives then. You see what I'm saying about you guys and your slippery slope? Who decides what case is valid and what isn't? All this does is give people the free reign to sue someone because they felt they were offended. It happens too much already and you guys want more.

[Off the Court]

And what constitutes a "ruined life"?.

With the Sandy Hook parents and Alex Jones they had to spend days in court to determine that.

[highwhey]

https://j.gifs.com/EREmqN.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

With the Sandy Hook parents and Alex Jones they had to spend days in court to determine that.

That doesn't answer my question. Tell us, what is a ruined life due to slander?

[jstern]

The enforcement is potentially problematic but if someone sees a photo of a haitian eating a cat and based upon that decide to vote for a racist that they may not have otherwise because the "proof" in that fake photo convinced them that something is a problem when it is not...this is something that needs to be dealt with. Besides, deepfakes used to slander someone is absolutely defamation, which is not covered by freedom of speech.

This guy is on the same level of a Blade and an Off the Court, yet he's a mod. It's as silly as Jasper being a mod.

The simplistic logic. Someone is going to simplistically vote for a candidate simply because of a fake meme ignoring any other nuanced reason, so we must stop parody. Yet nothing to say about the very real lies told by Kamala Harris and the media has repeated over and over that were then repeated by Ryan Routh.

He actually reminds me of Ryan Routh himself. Who's a very black and white thinker.

Anyway, the bill was in response to the Kamala Harris parody of a few weeks ago.


https://youtu.be/NIz-aoZFzM4

[Off the Court]

That doesn't answer my question. Tell us, what is a ruined life due to slander?

I just did tell you, a judge has to determine that over hours /days of testimony. They aren't all the same.

[Off the Court]

This guy is on the same level of a Blade and an Off the Court, yet he's a mod. It's as silly as Jasper being a mod.


Oh he's a mod? Like being a mod here is like having a Harvard degree or something? :oldlol:

There is a whole other world out there jstern, please go outside. :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

I just did tell you, a judge has to determine that over hours /days of testimony. They aren't all the same.

:facepalm


And when pressed, he runs away and now tells us that a judge has to make that determination. Mind you, he has three posts in this thread making the claim these parents' lives were ruined, but he cannot define what this is because of course it's a completely subjective viewpoint.


This is the clown show that is the Left.

[RRR3]

Oh he's a mod? Like being a mod here is like having a Harvard degree or something? :oldlol:

There is a whole other world out there jstern, please go outside. :oldlol:
He’s a mod for the NBA forum, I think Kblaze has said they’re not allowed to ban people for stuff on this forum. He’s not a mod on this forum.

[Off the Court]

:facepalm


And when pressed, he runs away and now tells us that a judge has to make that determination. Mind you, he has three posts in this thread making the claim these parents' lives were ruined, but he cannot define what this is because of course it's a completely subjective viewpoint.


This is the clown show that is the Left.

Of course it's subjective, that is why court cases are needed. :oldlol:

Their kids died and they couldn't even go their graves without being harassed by conspiracy kooks. In another situation perhaps online harassment costs someone $1 million.

This is why courts exist, to determine to what extent someone's life was wrecked.

[Off the Court]

Chewing, what if I declared online that your mother was Satan and my postings on it got millions of views. And then some nitwit hunts down and kills your mother. Unable to see I was a parody account.

Should I face charges or should my postings be completely legal?

[Patrick Chewing]

Chewing, what if I declared online that your mother was Satan and my postings on it got millions of views. And then some nitwit hunts down and kills your mother. Unable to see I was a parody account.

Should I face charges or should my postings be completely legal?

Your postings should be completely legal and protected. The person responsible for my mother's death is the person that killed her, not you. End of story.


And it's funny you use that example when that's all Democrats do on a daily basis when demonizing Trump. Kamala herself would have to step down as she habitually calls Trump a threat to democracy. And look, two people have already tried to kill Trump.

But at the end of the day, unless you're telling someone to kill someone or financing it, just calling someone "Satan" or "Hitler" or a "Nazi" should and always be protected speech.

[Off the Court]

So you don't believe in slander :oldlol:

I don't want to hear shit about "fake news" from you again.

[Patrick Chewing]

So you don't believe in slander :oldlol:


I don't believe we need to go after people for it just because we're offended. If it's causing a financial loss which is usually most of the court cases that are out there, then yes, there is justification for taking someone to court over it. But we aren't talking about financial losses here. We're talking about parodies and deepfakes. It's ridiculous. And of course I believe in slander. We slander each other on a daily basis on this board. My day isn't complete unless I slander fat ass highweight and that incel loser RRR3.


I mean, do you see how crazy your line of thinking is? Where does it end? No one ever saying anything bad about someone else again? That's mind control at that point. It will never happen.

[Media Moderator]

So you don't believe in slander :oldlol:

I don't want to hear shit about "fake news" from you again.

Slander is a civil matter.

Take a long hard look in the mirror and see what you've become defending this type of legislation. Your younger self would have hated what you've become :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

I don't believe we need to go after people for it just because we're offended. If it's causing a financial loss which is usually most of the court cases that are out there, then yes, there is justification for taking someone to court over it. But we aren't talking about financial losses here. We're talking about parodies and deepfakes. It's ridiculous. And of course I believe in slander. We slander each other on a daily basis on this board. My day isn't complete unless I slander fat ass highweight and that incel loser RRR3.


I mean, do you see how crazy your line of thinking is? Where does it end? No one ever saying anything bad about someone else again? That's mind control at that point. It will never happen.

Where does it end? My example was your f@#king mother dying, not "being offended" :oldlol:

If your mother dying due to false accusations isn't enough for you then nothing is.

Unless you just hate your mother which is possible I suppose. I would have used your children like the Sandy Hook parents but you don't have any.

[Patrick Chewing]

Where does it end? My example was your f@#king mother dying, not "being offended" :oldlol:

If your mother dying due to false accusations isn't enough for you then nothing is.

Unless you just hate your mother which is possible I suppose. I would have used your children like the Sandy Hook parents but you don't have any.


Apply the same logic here to every Liberal that has slandered Trump over the last 8 years and you wouldn't have a Party any longer. :oldlol:


You calling my mother a name has nothing to do with making someone kill her. Get that through your head. If people murdered people based on what we call them, there would be bodies piled ten deep in every city across America. You're trying to justify your lunatic way of thinking and it doesn't work.

[Off the Court]

Apply the same logic here to every Liberal that has slandered Trump over the last 8 years and you wouldn't have a Party any longer. :oldlol:


You calling my mother a name has nothing to do with making someone kill her. Get that through your head. If people murdered people based on what we call them, there would be bodies piled ten deep in every city across America. You're trying to justify your lunatic way of thinking and it doesn't work.
First off Trump has all sorts of defamation lawsuits all over the f@#king place :oldlol:

Second, you don't know what slander is. If rumors are rampant that you molested someone's child, and then his father kills you, the rumors are part of the equation, as they should be!

[ShawkFactory]

So ****ing what?


How shoud that be a crime?


Are you insane? Where are we moving to here?

How do you and RMWG even exist?


:oldlol:

You should probably read an entire conversation before jumping to a conclusion about what someone does or doesn't think. It would help.

[Patrick Chewing]

First off Trump has all sorts of defamation lawsuits all over the f@#king place :oldlol:

Second, you don't know what slander is. If rumors are rampant that you molested someone's child, and then his father kills you, the rumors are part of the equation, as they should be!

You're talking about non-existent hypotheticals that are outlandish and fantastical. What father would just run to kill someone without any verification if this were true or not?? It doesn't happen, bro. Stop making up lunatic scenarios just to justify your position.

[ZenMaster]

The enforcement is potentially problematic but if someone sees a photo of a haitian eating a cat and based upon that decide to vote for a racist that they may not have otherwise because the "proof" in that fake photo convinced them that something is a problem when it is not...this is something that needs to be dealt with. Besides, deepfakes used to slander someone is absolutely defamation, which is not covered by freedom of speech.


The cat thing really got to you:confusedshrug:

https://oversight.heritage.org/24-32164.pdf

https://x.com/EndWokeness/status/1836193221614932393

[Overdrive]

So ****ing what?


How shoud that be a crime?


Are you insane? Where are we moving to here?

How do you and RMWG even exist?


:oldlol:

You don't think willfully lying politicians aren't a problem or is it ok if they share your agenda"? I do think politicians should be held accountable and absolutely held to higher standards than the general population.


"Liberals" what happened to you guys? :oldlol:

The list of things you are liberal on is growing shorter and shorter every year. You mainly got gay/trans rights and abortion. That's about it. You are authoritarian on so many more things.

Who thought 30 years ago the right would be the real liberals and rebels in 2024? :oldlol:

That's what they love to see themselves as, but in reality they're just the same useful idiots voting the same caste into power the Libs do just for a different reason.

[warriorfan]

You're talking about non-existent hypotheticals that are outlandish and fantastical. What father would just run to kill someone without any verification if this were true or not?? It doesn't happen, bro. Stop making up lunatic scenarios just to justify your position.

Why does he shill so hard for freedoms to be taken away? (At least he does a poor job of it.)

What a bizarre little man.

[Off the Court]

Congrats to Newsom :applause:

He has officially made the "fake news" crowd go full 180 to "who cares what is spread around" :oldlol:

[ShawkFactory]

I think it's neither a positive or a negative. I think it's irrelevant. In today's society, the average person has so much access to information at their fingertips that they do not need someone telling them fact from fiction or vice versa. Independent Journalism is on the rise because of this. Because we can find out the information quicker and precise without the fluff and without the agenda.

Exactly. The standards of what constitutes journalism now is at a far lower level now than it used to be, and the lines between truth and lies is more blurred than it's ever been. Not to say that journalism in the past was without bias, certainly there was. However, information being given without valid substantiation was a moral sin in that community...and still is with reputable sources. I have a buddy who works with a smaller news source and any creating content that is proven false or that lacks evidence (or anyone essentially not doing their due diligence to make sure that they aren't posting nonsense) is an absolutely terminable offense.

Essentially, I believe with the ease at which people can create content with no checks and balances, it puts people further in a hive mindset than ever before because it's become less clear as to what is true. I'm not saying individual journalism is the enemy, rather the people who create purposely misleading or inflammatory information.

Does there need to be any sort of legal measures? No, that's not what I'm saying. But I think it's certainly worth talking about the landscape as a whole at this point as the divide has only gotten larger. I'm sure whenever a liberal tries to speak to you about the conservative views you're thinking they have no idea what the fvck they're talking about. As is the case when you speak about the liberal position. It's not good.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Only a matter of time? It's been policed since the start. That is why there is a "dark web" so that people can post illegal material without being arrested.


yea... we have police... do we have a police state?

that's what I said what the internet will become... one giant police state.


gotta be careful what you post... it might be considered a hate crime here soon.

[highwhey]

yea... we have police... do we have a police state?

that's what I said what the internet will become... one giant police state.


gotta be careful what you post... it might be considered a hate crime here soon.

yes, we do. municipal police departments in metro areas have the annual budget of a small to medium nation's gdp. and we have 50 states, with varying law enforcement agencies.

the feds already watch the internet like a hawk watches its prey. it's very likely you've talked to a fed or read a fedboi's twitter bait without knowing so.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Congrats to Newsom :applause:

of course you would applaud that piece of $hit.

[Doomsday Dallas]

yes, we do.

hell... maybe you are right

https://www.securitydegreehub.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/police_state.jpg

[Off the Court]

Doomsday Dallas is an obscure form of anarchist-conservative who wants to defund the police and rid the nation of laws.

[ArbitraryWater]

Congrats to Newsom :applause:

He has officially made the "fake news" crowd go full 180 to "who cares what is spread around" :oldlol:


This concerns every day citizens trying to get some joy on message boards and social media with bs memery, you big ole doofus


literally pushing for 1984, the **** is going on with your brain lmao. You people are absolutely the enemy.

[ILLsmak]

yes, we do. municipal police departments in metro areas have the annual budget of a small to medium nation's gdp. and we have 50 states, with varying law enforcement agencies.

the feds already watch the internet like a hawk watches its prey. it's very likely you've talked to a fed or read a fedboi's twitter bait without knowing so.

who's the fed on ISH haha

-Smak

[diamenz]

Essentially, I believe with the ease at which people can create content with no checks and balances, it puts people further in a hive mindset than ever before because it's become less clear as to what is true. I'm not saying individual journalism is the enemy, rather the people who create purposely misleading or inflammatory information.



yup. this is a phenomenon called audience capture. if someone like ben shapiro, for example, started talking about something like the benefits of a single-payer hc system or the young turks started talking about how beneficial trump's first step act is to ex-cons (african americans in particular), they'd get pushback from their base and ultimately lose subscribers. that's why when you tune into independent journalists like them (and this varies across the spectrum - some are better or worse than others) you only end up hearing what you want to hear from one end of the spectrum and it's tilted or twisted towards appeasing one side and shiting on the other.

so in some regard, independent journalism has it's benefits because you'll hear about topics that aren't talked about on msm but on the other hand the line being towed is a lot more lenient and unless the topic being discussed is backed up by credible evidence and sources or instead something like heresay on twitter is what ends up separating the good ones from the bad ones.

not to mention if you're only listening to one side's opinion on any given topic you can pretty much consider yourself brainwashed.

[highwhey]

who's the fed on ISH haha

-Smak

right above u

[Patrick Chewing]

Exactly. The standards of what constitutes journalism now is at a far lower level now than it used to be, and the lines between truth and lies is more blurred than it's ever been. Not to say that journalism in the past was without bias, certainly there was. However, information being given without valid substantiation was a moral sin in that community...and still is with reputable sources. I have a buddy who works with a smaller news source and any creating content that is proven false or that lacks evidence (or anyone essentially not doing their due diligence to make sure that they aren't posting nonsense) is an absolutely terminable offense.

Essentially, I believe with the ease at which people can create content with no checks and balances, it puts people further in a hive mindset than ever before because it's become less clear as to what is true. I'm not saying individual journalism is the enemy, rather the people who create purposely misleading or inflammatory information.

Does there need to be any sort of legal measures? No, that's not what I'm saying. But I think it's certainly worth talking about the landscape as a whole at this point as the divide has only gotten larger. I'm sure whenever a liberal tries to speak to you about the conservative views you're thinking they have no idea what the fvck they're talking about. As is the case when you speak about the liberal position. It's not good.

I mean, I think that's what Elon is doing with Twitter and his blue check stuff. Weeding out the garbage. That platform was a haven for skewed Left-leaning beliefs that would censor Right-leaning voices and opinions and all it took was for someone to come in there and clean house. But to get the law involved....I think that's pushing it.

What it might come down to is the public may have to pay for the truth for a little while until the divide in this country subsides. But it's insane to go after memes or AI doctored images or anything like that.