Jordan won a game vs Duncan & Robinson with no Pippen, Rodman shooting 1-10

[iamgine]

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/199711030CHI.html

One of the more extraordinary game imo. Jordan shot a horrible 12-39. Rodman shot even worse 1-10. No Pippen. Against the twin tower of Duncan-Robinson. Yet the Bulls won in double overtime. Jordan shot 1-6 in the second overtime.

Anybody watched this game?

[ShawkFactory]

Whenever that happens look at the boards. The Bulls had 26 offensive rebounds to the spurs 12. Rodman had 10 himself.

[Da_Realist]

Yep. Ugly game. The one in San Antonio was much better.

[Full Court]

On the other hand, Lebron won a Mickey Mouse ring vs DUNCAN ROBINSON, and there are people on here who act like it's legit.

:lol

[Airupthere]

On the other hand, Lebron won a Mickey Mouse ring vs DUNCAN ROBINSON, and there are people on here who act like it's legit.

:lol

:oldlol:

Duncan Robinson is a modern athlete. More advanced than 90s plumbers like Robinson and Duncan. Branbran went against the best.

[ShawkFactory]

Whenever that happens look at the boards. The Bulls had 26 offensive rebounds to the spurs 12. Rodman had 10 himself.

Expanding on this, the spurs also had 24 turnovers to the Bulls 14.

Bulls bench also outscored 35-19.

[ShawkFactory]

Whenever that happens look at the boards. The Bulls had 26 offensive rebounds to the spurs 12. Rodman had 10 himself.

Expanding on this, the spurs also had 24 turnovers to the Bulls 14.

Bulls bench outscored 35-19.

It was Duncan’s 3rd game of his career in Chicago and he actually showed out quite nicely.

[Axe]

12/39

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[3ba11]

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Kobe beat Duncan in the clutch:




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Lebron choked and needed Ray Allen to save him:




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jordan MADE his walk-off attempt in his first meeting vs Duncan from the exact same spot that Lebron missed:




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MJ dominated Duncan more thoroughly in their 2nd meeting:




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It's obvious that Jordan DOMINATED Duncan and guys like Duncan - they weren't "rivals" like they are for Kobe and Lebron.. smh.. 6/6

[3ba11]

Basketball is about winning the attrition battle, which means applying more pressure than you face - the team that gets worn down more has less capacity for offense as the game or series wears on.. Otoh, the team that is getting worn down less defensively will have more capacity to "get hot" as a series or game progresses relative to their opponent.

There are many ways to apply more pressure and win the attrition battle - zippy ball movement will almost always wear down defenses more than plodding ball-domination, which is why we see great ball movement teams "get hot" against bron-ball, such as the Nuggets, Warriors, Mavs, Spurs or Magic.. In addition to zippy ball movement, a goat scoer that forces defenses into doubling and rotating schemes will also wear out defenses - the Spurs had to DEFEND jordan's 39 attempts, which wore them out, and the high volume also dictated the game flow and spurred a massive edge on the offensive glass - fans that never played at a high level or with a great scorer don't realize that teammates GET IN OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RHYTHM alongside a great scorer like Kobe, Iverson, MJ, etc - the 01' Sixers had massive edge on the offensive glass every night in the 01' Playoffs - they were experts at rebounding AI's misses.

MJ's high-volume approach still allows great ball movement and brand of ball because MJ's buckets were often assisted by teammates since MJ was playing off-ball a lot.. The assisted buckets and high volume are a stark contrast to how Lebron attacks a defense.. Lebron employs a ball-dominant approach and lower volume approach, which necessitates bigger performances from teammates to keep up with the other team.. But this passive approach doesn't attract sufficient defensive attention away from teammates for these big performances to even be possible - see the 2014 Finals.

The 2014 Finals not only showed how a passive, low-volume approach allows a defense to stay at home on teammates and shut them down, but it demonstrated how unlikely the approach has of succeeding to begin with: the period of 1991 to 2014 saw 21 out of the 24 first options that won the Finals take at least 25.6% of their team's shots in the Finals - so the load Lebron undertook in the 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would've done more, is simply wrong - 21 out of the last 24 leading up to the 2014 Finals did more.

[StrongLurk]

The 90's is a watered down expansion era. Some top talents in it for sure, but nobody cares anymore about what happened during that decade because it's so obvious to see when watching. Too much tape to keep the "lie" going.

[SouBeachTalents]

Basketball is about winning the attrition battle, which means applying more pressure than you face - the team that gets worn down more has less capacity for offense as the game or series wears on.. Otoh, the team that is getting worn down less defensively will have more capacity to "get hot" as a series or game progresses relative to their opponent.

There are many ways to apply more pressure and win the attrition battle - zippy ball movement will almost always wear down defenses more than plodding ball-domination, which is why we see great ball movement teams "get hot" against bron-ball, such as the Nuggets, Warriors, Mavs, Spurs or Magic.. In addition to zippy ball movement, a goat scoer that forces defenses into doubling and rotating schemes will also wear out defenses - the Spurs had to DEFEND jordan's 39 attempts, which wore them out, and the high volume also dictated the game flow and spurred a massive edge on the offensive glass - fans that never played at a high level or with a great scorer don't realize that teammates GET IN OFFENSIVE REBOUNDING RHYTHM alongside a great scorer like Kobe, Iverson, MJ, etc - the 01' Sixers had massive edge on the offensive glass every night in the 01' Playoffs - they were experts at rebounding AI's misses.

MJ's high-volume approach still allows great ball movement and brand of ball because MJ's buckets were often assisted by teammates since MJ was playing off-ball a lot.. The assisted buckets and high volume are a stark contrast to how Lebron attacks a defense.. Lebron employs a ball-dominant approach and lower volume approach, which necessitates bigger performances from teammates to keep up with the other team.. But this passive approach doesn't attract sufficient defensive attention away from teammates for these big performances to even be possible - see the 2014 Finals.

The 2014 Finals not only showed how a passive, low-volume approach allows a defense to stay at home on teammates and shut them down, but it demonstrated how unlikely the approach has of succeeding to begin with: the period of 1991 to 2014 saw 21 out of the 24 first options that won the Finals take at least 25.6% of their team's shots in the Finals - so the load Lebron undertook in the 2014 Finals (25.56% of his team's shots) was not a large load, and the notion that he couldn't have done more, or that no one else would've done more, is simply wrong - 21 out of the last 24 leading up to the 2014 Finals did more.
:roll:

[Hey Yo]

Kobe didn't beat Duncan until 2008... their only postseason series against each other when Kobe was 1st option.

[ralph_i_el]

On the other hand, Lebron won a Mickey Mouse ring vs DUNCAN ROBINSON, and there are people on here who act like it's legit.

:lol

Bro Vinny Del Negro was starting for the Spurs

[ILLsmak]

I'm not saying it should happen a lot, but I wish there was still a possibility of two good teams playing in double OT and having the score be 87-83 or whatever it was. That could NEVER HAPPEN now haha.

-Smak

[3ba11]

Kobe didn't beat Duncan until 2008... their only postseason series against each other when Kobe was 1st option.


Nonsense - Kobe was 1st option in 2001 when the Lakers beat the Spurs... 2002 too... Kobe was always the leading scorer when the Lakers beat the Spurs - it was Kobe-ball when it mattered, and then Shaq-ball was enough against the weak East in the Finals... But Kobe was always the true 1st option, especially in the 4th quarter.

[Axe]

Bro Vinny Del Negro was starting for the Spurs
:oldlol:

[tpols]

26 offensive rebounds.

That's what the fans of today's game don't understand. Offensive rebounds, especially a lot of them are back breaking and extremely momentous. They break the other teams will and even offensive flow because they simply can't get the ball back and get in rhythm. It's like playing keep away... monkey in the middle.

So a team can theoretically shoot like shit, but if they dominate the boards and time of possession that strongly, they will still smother the opponent.

[Im Still Ballin]

26 offensive rebounds.

That's what the fans of today's game don't understand. Offensive rebounds, especially a lot of them are back breaking and extremely momentous. They break the other teams will and even offensive flow because they simply can't get the ball back and get in rhythm. It's like playing keep away... monkey in the middle.

So a team can theoretically shoot like shit, but if they dominate the boards and time of possession that strongly, they will still smother the opponent.

Physically taxing to defend a great offensive rebounding team. You have to send more guys to box out and crash the defensive glass. You can't leak out in transition as easily. Sometimes we forget that basketball is a war of attrition. How you play affects how your opponent plays. Styles make fights, even in basketball.

[RRR3]

26 offensive rebounds.

That's what the fans of today's game don't understand. Offensive rebounds, especially a lot of them are back breaking and extremely momentous. They break the other teams will and even offensive flow because they simply can't get the ball back and get in rhythm. It's like playing keep away... monkey in the middle.

So a team can theoretically shoot like shit, but if they dominate the boards and time of possession that strongly, they will still smother the opponent.
People understand it, Silver just nerfed the power of offensive rebounding by stupidly changing it so the shot clock goes to 14 after an OREB instead of 24. When it was 24, it was truly a way to keep a team from scoring.