Would you say Derrick Rose has had a great career?

[iamgine]

Guy managed to play for 15 seasons in the NBA and won an MVP, 3x All Star and an MVP.

Would you say he's had a great career?

[Real Men Wear Green]

He won an mvp so that's an automatic "yes." What's tricky would be the argument on where he ranks on the all-time pg list. I don't have a strong opinion there myself beyond not putting him up there in the conversation for the top 5. I don't know where he ranks overall. I do believe he would be a tier below Magic, Curry, Thomas and Robertson if he had not gotten hurt but unfortunately he got hurt. Still you have to respect the MVP award.

[John8204]

He made like 200 million dollars...so yes it was a great career.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He made like 200 million dollars...so yes it was a great career.
That too.

[Phoenix]

Considering his style, he salvaged it about aa well as he could have. He's in the group with Tmac, Grant Hill, Penny and Brandon Roy on the what could have been.

[HylianNightmare]

Also had what like 12 years of a signature shoe? That's gotta be exclusive company

[ILLsmak]

Of course not. You wanna see him make a westbrook face, ask him that. I’m sure he is happy he could adjust but no ring and career altering injury??

Now if you change it to was he successful, for sure, but his career likely does not satisfy him so how can it be great?

-Smak

[90sgoat]

No, he is like Grant Hill and Penny, even Vince Carter, their hanging around for so long and being so average made me forget the image of peak Derrick Rose.

I understand why they hang around collecting checks but for their legacy it is really bad. Much better to be a "what if" than be a below average role player for 10+ years.

Brandon Roy is still considered as a huge star and "what if", because he stopped playing.

[Naero]

In a vacuum? Yes. "Great" might be a stretch, but his MVP (which he deserved), RoTY, and All-NBA Team accolades alone make his career more impressive than the majority who ever laced them up.

If you're judging him by what could have been? Then of course you'll be disappointed, which speaks more so of his pre-injuries expectations. He seemingly had an ATG trajectory, yet injuries stunted him from even having a prime. He did his best to grapple with them, but the bottom line is you expect a more storied career to unfold from a 22-year-old MVP.

Still, if you ignore all that unrealized potential, he's done enough to earn his place in NBA lore—about as much as you could expect from a player that young. He had one of the GOAT postseason debuts, became the youngest NBA MVP of all time (probably one of the more unbreakable records), led the Bulls to their only post-Jordan title contention, and he's considered one of the GOAT Bulls.

Not nearly as great as what could have, should have, been, but good enough to have a legacy and earn hundreds of millions along the way. And isn't that more successful than thousands of other players in league history?

[Axe]

Quite lacking if anything.

[Phoenix]

No, he is like Grant Hill and Penny, even Vince Carter, their hanging around for so long and being so average made me forget the image of peak Derrick Rose.

I understand why they hang around collecting checks but for their legacy it is really bad. Much better to be a "what if" than be a below average role player for 10+ years.

Brandon Roy is still considered as a huge star and "what if", because he stopped playing.

I'm not sure about that. When the name Vince Carter comes up, I think Toronto or Jersey. Grant Hill Detroit. Any reasonable minded person should be able to retain the memories of the best of those guys and not how their career ended.

[PeroAntic]

2017 - Knicks
2019 - Wolves
2020 - Pistons
2021 - Knicks

Saying Rose was average in these years is plain ignorance. In terms of efficiency and output per 36, he was as good as his MVP year. Adjust for the game becoming different (spacing etc), he drops to all star contention level. You add this to his pre-injury years, damn right its a great career.

[RRR3]

2017 - Knicks
2019 - Wolves
2020 - Pistons
2021 - Knicks

Saying Rose was average in these years is plain ignorance. In terms of efficiency and output per 36, he was as good as his MVP year. Adjust for the game becoming different (spacing etc), he drops to all star contention level. You add this to his pre-injury years, damn right its a great career.
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[90sgoat]

I'm not sure about that. When the name Vince Carter comes up, I think Toronto or Jersey. Grant Hill Detroit. Any reasonable minded person should be able to retain the memories of the best of those guys and not how their career ended.

Sure, I am thinking more about Penny Hardaway, probably because Penny never reached the levels of Vince/Grant, but actually was at their level in talent.

[SouBeachTalents]

Nope, one fluke MVP and was an irrelevant player the last 12 years of his career. He might be the only MVP in history not to make the HOF.

[tpols]

I mean relative to other HOF basketball players, probably not given his talent. But compared to us and our careers... most of us didn't even make it past high school with ball. While Rose was an MVP in the NBA and made 100s of millions of dollars. If we were to tally every person's career success on earth ~ 8 billion + people... he'd be in the Super 1% of career success.

[j3lademaster]

Rose’s mvp is one of the weirder ones. He probably deserved it at the time, but hindsight does not treat that mvp well when the bulls were a on pace for 62 wins the next season without him. Dwight Howard and Lebron were undoubtedly better than Rose in 2011 even without hindsight and finding out he’s dumb and a terrible person off the court didn’t help my perception of him either.

[tpols]

Nope, one fluke MVP and was an irrelevant player the last 12 years of his career. He might be the only MVP in history not to make the HOF.

That's because of injuries though which is kind of out of his control. The fact he stuck around for so long and kept trying is a plus. And he had a better career than 90+% of all NBA players to ever play. If thats not great what does that make you?

[j3lademaster]

I mean relative to other HOF basketball players, probably not given his talent. But compared to us and our careers... most of us didn't even make it past high school with ball. While Rose was an MVP in the NBA and made 100s of millions of dollars. If we were to tally every person's career success on earth ~ 8 billion + people... he'd be in the Super 1% of career success.
WTF?

[tpols]

WTF?

Whats WTF about that paragraph?

It's almost a certainty that Derrick Rose did better at his job than you do at yours. He was an MVP of an extremely competitive and lucrative profession while you're likely a middling office employee or something of that variety. Even relatively speaking he outperformed most people at their jobs.

[j3lademaster]

Whats WTF about that paragraph?

It's almost a certainty that Derrick Rose did better at his job than you do at yours. He was an MVP of an extremely competitive and lucrative profession while you're likely a middling office employee or something of that variety. Even relatively speaking he outperformed most people at their jobs.
How you interpreted the question of the thread is wild. It’s like when comparing players and your contribution to the discussion is “well, he’s a better player than you.”

[L.Kizzle]

I wouldn't call it great but he definitely overachieved. After his first few injuries most people would have hung it up.
He basically injured after his MVP season, his 3rd.

Imagine is he retired after missing the entire 2013 season l?

A four year career with a ROY trophy, MVP trophy, 3x All-Star.

Him coming back after 3 (maybe 4) knee surgery and stuck around another 10 years.

He's 1st ballot in my book.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He gets a lot of hype because of the MVP he shouldn't have won, but outside of that he's just another guy who peaked young and became irrelevant for a decade before retiring.

So no, he didn't have a great career. He had a couple good seasons and fell off the map

[tpols]

How you interpreted the question of the thread is wild. It’s like when comparing players and your contribution to the discussion is “well, he’s a better player than you.”

Even on a relative basis it's true though which I explained. Peoples standard for what constitutes a great career are way too high especially since they never came close to reaching Rose level heights in their own jobs.

[AlternativeAcc.]

I wouldn't call it great but he definitely overachieved. After his first few injuries most people would have hung it up.
He basically injured after his MVP season, his 3rd.

Imagine is he retired after missing the entire 2013 season l?

A four year career with a ROY trophy, MVP trophy, 3x All-Star.

Him coming back after 3 (maybe 4) knee surgery and stuck around another 10 years.

He's 1st ballot in my book.

Lol. First ballot for a guy who averaged 15/4 on 52% true shooting for the bulk of his career

Right.

[L.Kizzle]

Lol. First ballot for a guy who averaged 15/4 on 52% true shooting for the bulk of his career

Right.
There are Hall of Famers who avg the same numbers with no significant injuries.

[AlternativeAcc.]

There are Hall of Famers who avg the same numbers with no significant injuries.

That's cool, but if you think a dude with one All NBA appearance, 3 all-stars, zero rings and the majority of his career putting up 15/4 on shit efficiency is first ballot idk what to tell you.

He may end up getting in because of silly hype about his undeserved MVP, but he's sure as **** isn't first ballot.

[L.Kizzle]

That's cool, but if you think a dude with one All NBA appearance, 3 all-stars, zero rings and the majority of his career putting up 15/4 on shit efficiency is first ballot idk what to tell you.

He may end up getting in because of silly hype about his undeserved MVP, but he's sure as **** isn't first ballot.

I sure do, because his fall off is from multiple knee injuries. If it was self inflicted than I can see your case.

[j3lademaster]

I sure do, because his fall off is from multiple knee injuries. If it was self inflicted than I can see your case.

You don’t get extra credit for getting injured though. Just playing devil’s advocate, you’d have a better angle appealing to his popularity rather than hard numbers and career achievements for him making first ballot. He’ll obviously get in eventually though, no question.

[StrongLurk]

Great? Definitely not.

He had a great START to his career, but thats it.

[RRR3]

If Penny Hardaway hasn’t made the HOF I don’t see why Rose would.

As for the OP no. He had a nice career and he was definitely great before his injuries but for his entire career to have been called great he would have needed some longevity. He was really only an elite player for two seasons and he was pretty plagued by injuries in one of those seasons. That said certainly an above average career since he managed to be a rotation player for a very long time.

[L.Kizzle]

If Penny Hardaway hasn’t made the HOF I don’t see why Rose would.

As for the OP no. He had a nice career and he was definitely great before his injuries but for his entire career to have been called great he would have needed some longevity. He was really only an elite player for two seasons and he was pretty plagued by injuries in one of those seasons. That said certainly an above average career since he managed to be a rotation player for a very long time.

If Penny had a MVP, he would have. Also, Penny numbers after injuries were no where near what Rose was doing. And I'm a Penny fan.

[PeroAntic]

Theres not a single player in the NBA that doesn't consider DRose a legend of the game. But sure, a bunch of LeCock sucking basement dwellers here know better when they say he was an average basketball player.:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Theres not a single player in the NBA that doesn't consider DRose a legend of the game. But sure, a bunch of LeCock sucking basement dwellers here know better when they say he was an average basketball player.:oldlol:
No one said he was average before he got hurt, stop having a meltdown because people don't agree with your delusions.

[90sgoat]

If he hadn't gotten injured he could probably have been an Allen Iverson type of star, though not with the cultural impact.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Silly thread because it’s entirely lynchpinned on the subjective semantics on one’s definition of “great”

But to keep it simple, being the youngest MVP of all time feels like it automatically will grant someone a “great” career.

[WhiteKyrie]

Nope, one fluke MVP and was an irrelevant player the last 12 years of his career. He might be the only MVP in history not to make the HOF.

Fluke MVP, how? :oldlol: why cause Bron and Wade were total cowards of competitors and needed to team up as two of the three best players in the sport and shot their MVP chances that scene in the foot? He tore his ACL the next season, that doesn’t make it a fluke.

[RRR3]

Fluke MVP, how? :oldlol: why cause Bron and Wade were total cowards of competitors and needed to team up as two of the three best players in the sport and shot their MVP chances that scene in the foot? He tore his ACL the next season, that doesn’t make it a fluke.
They were just imitating MJ who teamed up with a top 3 player for all of his prime.

[Manny98]

He's had a better career than 99.9% of guys that have made the NBA so I would say so

[PeroAntic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBq-PpHLWKA


The Rose flu thing is enough to put him in the hall of fame

[Axe]

Really wished he adjusted and developed other skills (maybe transitioning into a good shooter) instead earlier when his athleticism was already starting to take a huge toll on him. Could have somehow stayed relevant for longer that way if he were less injury-prone too. But with how crap chicago's FO is rn, his mvp season still remains the best season in team history outside of the 90s dynasty. So he leaves a teensy weensy of a special place in the hearts of true bulls fans. Will always be niche though.

[PeroAntic]

Really wished he adjusted and developed other skills (maybe transitioning into a good shooter) instead earlier when his athleticism was already starting to take a huge toll on him.
He was a 40 percent 3pt shooter in his second Knicks stint. While at the Pistons he was leading the league in both field goals made and field goal percentage on floaters and runners. He adapted his game to his athletic limitations better than any other player I have seen. But theres only as much you can do in 20 minutes per game. Whenever they tried to play him more, like in the 2021 playoffs vs the Hawks where it was obvious he was NY's best player by far, he broke down quickly.

[Axe]

Well yea. But i think he could have done it earlier while he was still playing for the bulls. Maybe try to mimic curry a bit bt while occasionally attacking the rim. By the time covid hit, he seemed washed after multiple injuries alongside surgeries and had hints of being on his last legs when he continued to miss playing time.

[jayfan]

Nope, one fluke MVP and was an irrelevant player the last 12 years of his career. He might be the only MVP in history not to make the HOF.

Definitely not a fluke. He was dominant & unstoppable, and had been ascending to it. Not his fault he was injured, and then majorly injured, the following season.

[kawhileonard2]

Guy managed to play for 15 seasons in the NBA and won an MVP, 3x All Star and an MVP.

Would you say he's had a great career?
Won league mvp

[TheMan]

He could have topped that 2011 season with a chip had it not been for that coward taking his talents to South Beach to collude with his Super Friends.

That would have made his career great, even after all the injuries that came later.