Proof Pippen was front runner for fmvp going into gm6 1998 finals.

[Hey Yo]

Listen to Bob Costas in the first 1:10.


https://youtu.be/lyJ6GyC4Yng?si=wXulzTuGMhwzWZDY

[Hey Yo]

16mins in... Costas basically says that both Osterstiff and Foster were bums on offense and Jazz tried to get Rony Seikaly from Orlando at one point during thr season.

[Carbine]

Costas also said at one point during the 1996 playoffs that Pippen was the best all around player in the league.

If you're going to use Costas words as evidence, you must also be consistent when it doesn't fit your narrative or agenda

[Hey Yo]

Costas also said at one point during the 1996 playoffs that Pippen was the best all around player in the league.

If you're going to use Costas words as evidence, you must also be consistent when it doesn't fit your narrative or agenda

You think Costas just made that up off the top of his head? It was never a taking point amongst others throughout the series?

The only agenda are the ones over the years who basically scoffed at the idea that Pippen was ever considered for FMVP during that series.

[Monta Ellis MVP]

Lebron James wasn’t the front runner for FMVP going into game 6 of the 2011 NBA Finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron James wasn’t the front runner for FMVP going into game 6 of the 2011 NBA Finals.
Steph Curry wasn’t the front runner for FMVP going into the final game of the 2015 NBA Finals. Or 2016. Or 2017. Or 2018. Or 2019.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Someone that remembers those Bulls and isn't just trolling with an agenda recognizes that that was a great team with multiple great players. Ranking Rodman is tricky because he was never a franchise player but the way he rebounded and defended made him more valuable than most Allstars for a team that already had a star. Pippen was great and deserved all accolades that he received. The supporting cast was very good, almost no one was on a role for which they were not well-suited. All of that can be true while MJ was arguably the greatest ever. They won 7 out of every 8 games. That requires a lot of great players not just one hero who did everything. This is not boxing.

[Wardell Curry]

Someone that remembers those Bulls and isn't just trolling with an agenda recognizes that that was a great team with multiple great players. Ranking Rodman is tricky because he was never a franchise player but the way he rebounded and defended made him more valuable than most Allstars for a team that already had a star. Pippen was great and deserved all accolades that he received. The supporting cast was very good, almost no one was on a role for which they were not well-suited. All of that can be true while MJ was arguably the greatest ever. They won 7 out of every 8 games. That requires a lot of great players not just one hero who did everything. This is not boxing.

What? A nuanced and well reasoned take?

Nah bruh. The NBA has never been a team game. Teams don't win games. Individual players do.

[Wardell Curry]

Joking aside, those teams would get their asses pounded if you transported them, as they existed, to be playing in today's league with today's rules. This is why it's impossible to compare eras if someone wants to be honest about the subject.

[StrongLurk]

Joking aside, those teams would get their asses pounded if you transported them, as they existed, to be playing in today's league with today's rules. This is why it's impossible to compare eras if someone wants to be honest about the subject.

100%

[ShawkFactory]

Joking aside, those teams would get their asses pounded if you transported them, as they existed, to be playing in today's league with today's rules. This is why it's impossible to compare eras if someone wants to be honest about the subject.

With today’s rules sure. 98 rules and there’s no way the Bulls are beating them down physically. Jordan is the best player on the court and I don’t envision a scenario where Pippen doesn’t frustrate and ultimately outplay Tatum. Maybe not from a stats perspective but just one of those where you can kind of tell. Like Jrue/Kyrie in the finals.

[Real Men Wear Green]

With today’s rules sure. 98 rules and there’s no way the Bulls are beating them down physically. Jordan is the best player on the court and I don’t envision a scenario where Pippen doesn’t frustrate and ultimately outplay Tatum. Maybe not from a stats perspective but just one of those where you can kind of tell. Like Jrue/Kyrie in the finals.

The weird thing would be that taking a ton of threes would still have been allowed. So although Tatum and Brown would get bumped more than they're used to the potential advantage on threes is still there.

[Axe]

Someone that remembers those Bulls and isn't just trolling with an agenda recognizes that that was a great team with multiple great players. Ranking Rodman is tricky because he was never a franchise player but the way he rebounded and defended made him more valuable than most Allstars for a team that already had a star. Pippen was great and deserved all accolades that he received. The supporting cast was very good, almost no one was on a role for which they were not well-suited. All of that can be true while MJ was arguably the greatest ever. They won 7 out of every 8 games. That requires a lot of great players not just one hero who did everything. This is not boxing.
:applause:

[ShawkFactory]

The weird thing would be that taking a ton of threes would still have been allowed. So although Tatum and Brown would get bumped more than they're used to the potential advantage on threes is still there.

In a seven game series I feel like they’d figure that out pretty quickly. With those rules the the Celtics would be terrors defensively though.

[Full Court]

I've always been a Pippen fan, and consider him one of the greats.

But he was never in serious consideration for FMVP over Jordan. That's a fact.

[Wardell Curry]

I've always been a Pippen fan, and consider him one of the greats.

But he was never in serious consideration for FMVP over Jordan. That's a fact.

You weren't alive when any of those Finals were played. It's time to stop posting.

[Full Court]

You weren't alive when any of those Finals were played. It's time to stop posting.

You sound shook.

The truth really hurts, doesn't it?

Cry it out, cupcake.

[SouBeachTalents]

I've always been a Pippen fan, and consider him one of the greats.

But he was never in serious consideration for FMVP over Jordan. That's a fact.
Yes he was

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/06/11/finals-mvp-this-time-pippen-deserves-it/
https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/06/08/pippen-earning-masters-degree-in-defense/

[Axe]

You weren't alive when any of those Finals were played. It's time to stop posting.
:oldlol:

[Full Court]

Yes he was

https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/06/11/finals-mvp-this-time-pippen-deserves-it/
https://www.deseret.com/1998/6/11/19385041/what-about-pippen-for-nba-finals-mvp/
https://www.chicagotribune.com/1998/06/08/pippen-earning-masters-degree-in-defense/

No, he never was in SERIOUS consideration.

Two articles from Sam Smith, who was a well known and outspoken Jordan hater, and another article meant to be provovative do not mean he was in serious consideration.

I mean, just look at the one article you posted not written by Sam Smith (did you even read it?).
"Just hand him the 1998 NBA Finals Most Valuable Player trophy right now.So you're tired of Michael Jordan getting all the recognition, all the glory, all the accolades? Then try this for a change: Scottie Pippen, MVP. Sure, Jordan, owner of five Finals MVP trophies, again led the Bulls in scoring with 34 points. His Airness also served as a defensive terror against the Jazz...."

Come on, man. :roll:

[RRR3]

No, he never was in SERIOUS consideration.

Two articles from Sam Smith, who was a well known and outspoken Jordan hater, and another article meant to be provovative do not mean he was in serious consideration.

I mean, just look at the one article you posted not written by Sam Smith (did you even read it?).
"Just hand him the 1998 NBA Finals Most Valuable Player trophy right now.So you're tired of Michael Jordan getting all the recognition, all the glory, all the accolades? Then try this for a change: Scottie Pippen, MVP. Sure, Jordan, owner of five Finals MVP trophies, again led the Bulls in scoring with 34 points. His Airness also served as a defensive terror against the Jazz...."

Come on, man. :roll:
Well known and outspoken haters are a great source when it comes to LeBron tho according to you. Why should MJ get held to lower standards

[Full Court]

Well known and outspoken haters are a great source when it comes to LeBron tho according to you. Why should MJ get held to lower standards

Ok, genius, name a well known and outspoken Lebron hater who I've ever used as a source.

I'll wait.


Oh gee, you got caught making stuff up once again. No wonder you were voted biggest loser on ISH. :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

Ok, genius, name a well known and outspoken Lebron hater who I've ever used as a source.

I'll wait.


Oh gee, you got caught making stuff up once again. No wonder you were voted biggest loser on ISH. :confusedshrug:
You seem to consider yourself a good source, so...yeah.

[Full Court]

You seem to consider yourself a good source, so...yeah.

Yep, caught making stuff up. AGAIN. :lol

Pro tip: You shouldn't come to a battle of wits unarmed.

By the way, I'm not a Lebron hater. I'm a huge fan. It's not my fault he has 40+ choke jobs just in the post season. :confusedshrug:

[3ba11]

scoffed at the idea that Pippen was ever considered for FMVP during that series.





Still scoffing... :confusedshrug:

There was no X, Facebook, Youtube - none of that in 1998 - so if there was talk of Pippen for MVP, it must have been amongst Costas and his buddies or family.

[3ba11]

People don't realize that for members of the cast like Kerr and Pippen get the 5 to 15 points that they averaged in the 98' Finals, THEY NEED THE TRIANGLE - pippen was nothing outside the triangle and neither was anyone else... So the point is that the triangle is what allows these bums to have viability, but if Jordan had a primarily ball-dominant and "down-hill" skillset like today's players, the triangle wouldn't be possible... The Bulls would have to run something else and therefore get a better cast that could get buckets on their own without a coddling system and goat scorer to attract defensive attention.. That's how bummy Jordan's cast was - but here's the kicker - despite the triangle, the Bulls' scoring help was still so poor that MJ had to set the record for percentage of team points scored in a Finals!!!... Let that sink in..

Accordingly, this is the biggest carry-job ever (all his finals and every series were carry-jobs), yet somehow a transition player that was a basic role player in the 4th and outplayed by everyone was somehow FMVP?.. No one thought that at any point in the series, not even before Pippen nearly lost the series in the closeout games.

[sdot_thadon]

No, he never was in SERIOUS consideration.

Two articles from Sam Smith, who was a well known and outspoken Jordan hater, and another article meant to be provovative do not mean he was in serious consideration.

I mean, just look at the one article you posted not written by Sam Smith (did you even read it?).
"Just hand him the 1998 NBA Finals Most Valuable Player trophy right now.So you're tired of Michael Jordan getting all the recognition, all the glory, all the accolades? Then try this for a change: Scottie Pippen, MVP. Sure, Jordan, owner of five Finals MVP trophies, again led the Bulls in scoring with 34 points. His Airness also served as a defensive terror against the Jazz...."

Come on, man. :roll:

To this day I still for the life of me can't understand why people consider Sam Smith a Jordan hater. He just was one of the few close to the situation unafraid to tell it like it really was. People like you cry about athletes attempting to control narratives whenever Mj was the pioneer.

[Hey Yo]

If Sam Smith was talking out of his ass about Pippen in that series, then surely there had to have been articles written by MJ sperm guzzlers calling Smith out, no?

[SouBeachTalents]

Article's blocked, but you can see from the headline there's another one. So unless you want to dismiss multiple articles, it looks like Pippen was getting legitimate consideration for FMVP

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/13/sports/sports-of-the-times-it-s-as-much-pippen-s-fight-as-jordan-s.html

[3ba11]

Article's blocked, but you can see from the headline there's another one. So unless you want to dismiss multiple articles, it looks like Pippen was getting legitimate consideration for FMVP

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/13/sports/sports-of-the-times-it-s-as-much-pippen-s-fight-as-jordan-s.html


no one knew about these articles at the time or remembers them now because they were so few, and you must understand that zero fans considered Pippen for a nanosecond for FMVP - they would laugh at you now - it wasn't a debate or a thing at all.... Pippen wasn't respected back then because his play was garbage - the numbers speak for themselves - his stats had a Wiggins or KAT ceiling and a horrific floor.... So no one thought for a nanosecond that MJ wasn't winning FMVP or carrying the Bulls in every series of his career.. that's a historical fact and you won't find a single fan that says otherwise... apparently there were a few dumb media members back then, but at least it was just a few and based on Jordan fatigue (led by Sam Smith - the original Jordan-hater)... This rare few contrasts with today's entire media that would give Pippen FMVP - let that sink in - Pippen was just a transition player that averaged 15.7 on 41% with the worst clutch-time stats that anyone ever had, yet the today's media would be clamoring to get him a fake FMVP to boost Lebron's career.. It wouldn't just be "jordan fatigue" by 4 out of hundreds of reporters that you're finding - it would be the entire fraudulent media that Lebron has created

[Carbine]

He wasn't respected? Bird called him the second best player in the league in his book. Pippen has the utmost respect from his former teammates often citing him as UNDER RATED. Phil Jackson gave him the upmost respect when speaking of him.

[ShawkFactory]

He wasn't respected? Bird called him the second best player in the league in his book. Pippen has the utmost respect from his former teammates often citing him as UNDER RATED. Phil Jackson gave him the upmost respect when speaking of him.

You're speaking with someone who cites "historical record"...while creating his own.

[jlip]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379795-Jordan-CLEARLY-had-less-help-in-1998-Finals-than-Lebron-s-current-team&p=11482128&viewfull=1#post11482128

From nearly a decade ago

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379795-Jordan-CLEARLY-had-less-help-in-1998-Finals-than-Lebron-s-current-team&p=11482128&viewfull=1#post11482128

From nearly a decade ago


Pippen was not in the running for FMVP at any point in the series - there were zero fans and zero groups of people talking about Pippen for MVP.

Pippen is literally the worst Finals performer of all-time and no one thought Pippen was even CONSIDERED for the award.. He averaged 15.7 on 41% for the series and his horrible play nearly caused loss just like the 93', 96' and 97' Finals - he was horrific in all of these Finals.

In the history of basketball, anyone that won more than 2 Finals needed a teammate to get 25 ppg or FMVP for at least one of the Finals, but Pippen is 0/6 in FMVP and peaked at 21 ppg, so he's the worst Finals performer of all time... Literally.. You guys are just young kids are weren't there, so you think a few devils advocate article means that people were talking about Pippen for FMVP - BUT LITERALLY NO ONE WAS

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379795-Jordan-CLEARLY-had-less-help-in-1998-Finals-than-Lebron-s-current-team&p=11481773&viewfull=1#post11481773

:oldlol:

Even tpols was clowning on 3ball in that thread

He didn't even try to respond to that lol

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?379795-Jordan-CLEARLY-had-less-help-in-1998-Finals-than-Lebron-s-current-team&p=11481773&viewfull=1#post11481773

:oldlol:

Even tpols was clowning on 3ball in that thread

He didn't even try to respond to that lol


You guys never watched back then, so you don't know how ridiculous it is to say that Pippen was considered for FMVP in 1998.

No one would've ever considered Pippen for FMVP - that would've been completely absurd - 5 reporters that wrote devils advocate "jordan fatigue" articles doesn't change the fact that Pippen was not in any FMVP discussion and was never considered for FMVP

You can keep reposting the articles if you want - but that's 5 people in the whole world - Pippen was not in any "discussion" or considered for FMVP.. He's literally the worst Finals performer ever and 98' was his crown jewel bed-wetting where he tried his hardest to lose the series and stop the 3-peat.

[3ba11]

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Here's why Pippen is the worst Finals performer ever and the only 2nd option in history that's 0/6 in FMVP:



FINALS CAREER ALONGSIDE MJ OR LEBRON

Lebron.............. 28 on 49%
Kyrie................ 28 on 47%
AD'................... 25 on 55%
Wade................ 21 on 47%

Jordan.............. 34 on 48%
Pippen.............. 19 on 42%


^^^^ someone doesn't belong

Jordan set the record for percentage of team points in the 98' Finals at 38%, which is the same as his 93' Finals - they're the biggest carry-jobs in history, yet people are saying Pippen was considered for FMVP.. I was there - I watched every game - NO ONE considered pippen for FMVP except 5 reporters out of 100's that were basically talking to THEMSELVES about Jordan fatigue - no one read or remembers those articiles.

[3ba11]

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Finals

15' IGUODALA......... 16 on 52%
98' PIPPEN.............. 16 on 41%

15' CURRY............... 26% of team points
98' JORDAN............. 38% of team points (record)


Iguodala is considered a fake FMVP with Curry scoring 26% of team points, so Pippen was never considered with Jordan at a record 38% of team points..

No one read or read or remembers a few writers at the time that were basically talking to each other about Jordan fatigue.. No one joined them in this conversation or even remembers it ever happened.

[Full Court]

Article's blocked, but you can see from the headline there's another one. So unless you want to dismiss multiple articles, it looks like Pippen was getting legitimate consideration for FMVP

https://www.nytimes.com/1998/06/13/sports/sports-of-the-times-it-s-as-much-pippen-s-fight-as-jordan-s.html

And the article you posted a link for isn't even calling for Pippen to be FMVP. :roll:

:biggums:

You Bronies really are terrible at this.