Other guys that played in Lebron's era won more than him, namely Kobe and Duncan

[3ba11]

If a player wins more than anyone that played in their era, they can make the argument that that their ring count in the current/tougher era supersedes the ring counts of prior/weaker eras.. Unfortunately, Lebron cannot make this argument because other guys that played in his era won more than him, namely Kobe and Duncan.

Otoh, true goats like MJ, Kobe and Duncan won the more than anyone that played in their era, so they can say their ring count supersedes the ring counts of prior/weaker eras.. Unfortunately, Lebron cannot make the argument that "we done with XXX decade" because other guys that played in his decades won more than him, namely Kobe and Duncan.

[John8204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXLGHyGxY2E&list=RDxz6OGVCdov8&start_radio=1

[Carbine]

Lebron isn't really apart of the Duncan and Kobe era. It would be like including MJ in the Bird and Magic era.

Duncan won 2 titles before Lebron ever stepped foot in the NBA and Kobe had won 3 of his 5 beforehand.

LeBron's era is with Steph, not Duncan.

[sdot_thadon]

Lebron isn't really apart of the Duncan and Kobe era. It would be like including MJ in the Bird and Magic era.

Duncan won 2 titles before Lebron ever stepped foot in the NBA and Kobe had won 3 of his 5 beforehand.

LeBron's era is with Steph, not Duncan.

His dumbass knows that already. He's having trouble generating new content. Them threads ain't hitting like they used to.

[Phoenix]

Lebron isn't really apart of the Duncan and Kobe era. It would be like including MJ in the Bird and Magic era.

Duncan won 2 titles before Lebron ever stepped foot in the NBA and Kobe had won 3 of his 5 beforehand.



You beat me to it. That's pretty much the end of the thread.

[RRR3]

You beat me to it. That's pretty much the end of the thread.
If LeBron was any good he would have won NBA titles when he was in high school-3ball.

[StrongLurk]

I buried OP's ass when he crawled into my thread so now he started a new one. We can see how dumb his OP is not even including the fact that he is forgetting about Kareem winning 6 rings.

TLDR: 3ball already admitted Lebron is the second best player of all time. The discussions are over.

[ShawkFactory]

I buried OP's ass when he crawled into my thread so now he started a new one. We can see how dumb his OP is not even including the fact that he is forgetting about Kareem winning 6 rings.

TLDR: 3ball already admitted Lebron is the second best player of all time. The discussions are over.

Wasn't this discussion had literally yesterday?

My god, the attention-seeking behavior by OP is insane.

[Phoenix]

Wasn't this discussion had literally yesterday?

My god, the attention-seeking behavior by OP is insane.

I just reread the OP and the mental gymnastics on display is hilarious. Lebron and Kobe/Duncan's careers overlapped between 2003 and 2016. In that period Kobe won twice and Duncan 3 times( as did Lebron). What all three won outside of those years has no bearing to the discussion.

Now, he can twist himself into a knot debating the quality of their respective rings, but it's a objectively false claim that either won more when all three were playing. Like, that's not even an opinion.

[ShawkFactory]

I just reread the OP and the mental gymnastics on display is hilarious. Lebron and Kobe/Duncan's careers overlapped between 2003 and 2016. In that period Kobe won twice and Duncan 3 times( as did Lebron). What all three won outside of those years has no bearing to the discussion.

Now, he can twist himself into a knot debating the quality of their respective rings, but it's a objectively false claim that either won more when all three were playing. Like, that's not even an opinion.

Yea the Kareem one is pretty damning. 6 rings in the same era, apparently.

But of course, I fully expect the goalposts to then be switched to their careers have to have overlapped by **insert arbitrarily chosen number of years that helps agenda** or that they had to have played each other in the playoffs or some shit. Or in Kobe/Lebron's case...should have played if it wasn't for chokes in 09/10. Etc.

Arguing with 3ball does nothing but continuously change the parameters of the initial point :lol

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball's arguments are so easy to pick apart, it's like playing your little nephew in a video game, it honestly isn't even fun. Forget about the fact he knowingly lies in his posts, let's keep it real, imagine if LeBron was winning titles in the fashion Kobe & Duncan were.

Getting outscored in 3 straight title runs, including by nearly double digits in 3 straight Finals, including a historic 38-16 margin in one of them.

Averaging a Pippen like 21, 18 & 14 ppg in 3 Finals, and never averaging over 25 ppg for a single title run.

[dankok8]

3ball's arguments are obviously logically inconsistent and extremely repetitive to the point that I'm confused as to why people reply in the first place. Still... saying that Lebron wasn't in the same era as Duncan and Kobe is just strange considering they overlap over two thirds of their careers.

[3ba11]

Lebron isn't really apart of the Duncan and Kobe era. It would be like including MJ in the Bird and Magic era.

Duncan won 2 titles before Lebron ever stepped foot in the NBA and Kobe had won 3 of his 5 beforehand.

LeBron's era is with Steph, not Duncan.


You're whimsically making stuff up based on what you hear on TV.. You chose to start Lebron's "era" when you think he started winning.. Except Duncan won by record amount in 2014 and Dirk triumphed in 2011, while Curry started his reign in 2015, so when was Lebron's "era"?

You claimed that Lebron's era is with Curry's, except Curry's era began in 2015, where he won 3 chips in 4 years, or 4 in 7, which destroys 1 in 4 for Lebron, or 2 in 7.

Lebron never had a 5-year period where he mostly won (3+ chips) like Curry, Duncan, Kobe, MJ, or Kareem, so he never had an "era" like the aforementioned expert jumpshooters and fundamental bigs... Unfortunately, high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron impose spot-up roles and weak chemistry, so they aren't capable of producing "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches - they mostly lose with every cast, which means the high-scoring point guard skillset isn't capable of having an "era" and has a ceiling of 15th in the all-time rankings.. Yes, I have 14 guys ahead of Lebron so far (more coming) and other high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka, Harden, SGA and Westbrook can never go higher than 15th either.








Lebron isn't really apart of the Duncan and Kobe era. It would be like including MJ in the Bird and Magic era.

Duncan won 2 titles before Lebron ever stepped foot in the NBA and Kobe had won 3 of his 5 beforehand.

LeBron's era is with Steph, not Duncan.


Ultimately, even if we use kid gloves and say that post-2011 was the Lebron/Curry era, Duncan and Kobe still played in that era - they played until 2016.... So Lebron didn't win more titles than everyone he played against - various stars that played in Lebron's era won more than him, like Kobe and Duncan... Since his contemporaries won more than him, he cannot say "screw Russell's 11 chips because I won the most in the toughest/current era", while jordan CAN make this claim, and is therefore GOAT.

[StrongLurk]

You're whimsically making stuff up based on what you hear on TV.. You chose to start Lebron's "era" when you think he started winning.. Except Duncan won by record amount in 2014 and Dirk triumphed in 2011, while Curry started his reign in 2015, so when was Lebron's "era"?

You claimed that Lebron's era is with Curry's, except Curry's era began in 2015, where he won 3 chips in 4 years, or 4 in 7, which destroys 1 in 4 for Lebron, or 2 in 7.

Lebron never had a 5-year period where he mostly won (3+ chips) like Curry, Duncan, Kobe, MJ, or Kareem, so he never had an "era" like the aforementioned expert jumpshooters and fundamental bigs... Unfortunately, high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron impose spot-up roles and weak chemistry, so they aren't capable of producing "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches - they mostly lose with every cast, which means the high-scoring point guard skillset isn't capable of having an "era" and has a ceiling of 15th in the all-time rankings.. Yes, I have 14 guys ahead of Lebron so far (more coming) and other high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka, Harden, SGA and Westbrook can never go higher than 15th either.








Ultimately, even if we use kid gloves and say that post-2011 was the Lebron/Curry era, Duncan and Kobe still played in that era - they played until 2016.... So Lebron didn't win more titles than everyone he played against - various stars that played in Lebron's era won more than him, like Kobe and Duncan... Since his contemporaries won more than him, he cannot say "screw Russell's 11 chips because I won the most in the toughest/current era", while jordan CAN make this claim, and is therefore GOAT.



Nobody won more rings than Lebron since he came into the league. Nobody won more rings in Lebron's prime either (2009-2020). Nobody won as the best player (4 times FMVP) as much as Lebron did. Peak to peak, prime to prime, longevity to longevity, winning as the best player, etc. Lebron is the best at all of these categories since he came into the league. He's the GOAT of the MODERN era.

Jordan didn't win more than Kareem as I pointed out already. So once again you are wrong and Jordan can't make the GOAT claim according to your own post. You have been wrong on all of the points you tried to make to downplay Lebron. The reason you are wrong is because Lebron's case for modern GOAT is just too strong.

MJ will just have to be the 90's Co-GOAT with Pippen since Pippen went 6/6 in the finals.

[Carbine]

You're whimsically making stuff up based on what you hear on TV.. You chose to start Lebron's "era" when you think he started winning.. Except Duncan won by record amount in 2014 and Dirk triumphed in 2011, while Curry started his reign in 2015, so when was Lebron's "era"?

You claimed that Lebron's era is with Curry's, except Curry's era began in 2015, where he won 3 chips in 4 years, or 4 in 7, which destroys 1 in 4 for Lebron, or 2 in 7.

Lebron never had a 5-year period where he mostly won (3+ chips) like Curry, Duncan, Kobe, MJ, or Kareem, so he never had an "era" like the aforementioned expert jumpshooters and fundamental bigs... Unfortunately, high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron impose spot-up roles and weak chemistry, so they aren't capable of producing "unbeatable" teams that mostly win for stretches - they mostly lose with every cast, which means the high-scoring point guard skillset isn't capable of having an "era" and has a ceiling of 15th in the all-time rankings.. Yes, I have 14 guys ahead of Lebron so far (more coming) and other high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka, Harden, SGA and Westbrook can never go higher than 15th either.








Ultimately, even if we use kid gloves and say that post-2011 was the Lebron/Curry era, Duncan and Kobe still played in that era - they played until 2016.... So Lebron didn't win more titles than everyone he played against - various stars that played in Lebron's era won more than him, like Kobe and Duncan... Since his contemporaries won more than him, he cannot say "screw Russell's 11 chips because I won the most in the toughest/current era", while jordan CAN make this claim, and is therefore GOAT.

Lebron won 3 chips and 3 FMVPs in 5 years. I'm going to assume just a counting error on your part.

Something neither Duncan or Kobe did.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron won 3 chips and 3 FMVPs in 5 years. I'm going to assume just a counting error on your part.

Something neither Duncan or Kobe did.
Yeah bro, I’m sure that’s what it was :lol

[Airupthere]

2009-2020
If not for the ridiculously dominant Heatles line up, and the comical practice Mickey season, bron from 2009 to 2020 really only had 1 ring, 1 FMVP.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron won 3 chips and 3 FMVPs in 5 years. I'm going to assume just a counting error on your part.

Something neither Duncan or Kobe did.

:lol

I'm going to assume its he wants to see how many times he can say the same blatantly incorrect thing that's already been refuted until everyone has already seen it and knows he's just trolling.