JD Vance is cooking Tim Walz right now.

[1987_Lakers]

Vance giving a lot of 1960 JFK vibes in terms of coolness, Walz looking like a sweaty Nixon.

[diamenz]

i assumed tonight would be an israel deep-throating contest. are they actually talking about american issues?

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's easily doing better than Trump did. Will probably win this debate. I wonder how different the race would be right now if Trump had done the debate preparation Vance has when he faced Harris.

Vance has Walz on the defensive. Walz is having a hard time defending Harriswhile Vance consistently attacks Harris. Not sure if Walz can get this turned around.

[Patrick Chewing]

He's easily doing better than Trump did. Will probably win this debate. I wonder how different the race would be right now if Trump had done the debate preparation Vance has when he faced Harris.

Vance has Walz on the defensive. Walz is having a hard time defending Harriswhile Vance consistently attacks Harris. Not sure if Walz can get this turned around.

Trump didn’t need any debate preparation. He’s debated before. Harris is the one that left that debate without a clear picture of how she would run this country.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Trump didn’t need any debate preparation. He’s debated before. Harris is the one that left that debate without a clear picture of how she would run this country.

Would you say she has concepts of a plan?

[1987_Lakers]

Damn, I thought Vance was a bad VP pick according to Democrats? Dude is destroying Walz.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Abortion is a losing issue for Republicans yet Vance managed to come through the exchange without looking like an asshole. He could be a strong future candidate, as much as I don't like him. He has the work ethic when it comes to studying and ability to retain information that Trump lacks.

[ILLsmak]

He's easily doing better than Trump did. Will probably win this debate. I wonder how different the race would be right now if Trump had done the debate preparation Vance has when he faced Harris.

Vance has Walz on the defensive. Walz is having a hard time defending Harriswhile Vance consistently attacks Harris. Not sure if Walz can get this turned around.

Vance is a complete contrast to trump. He definitely shines as a debater. I think Trump is still number one at spotlighting an issue haha.

Walz is doing himself no favors with his death stare.

-Smak

[Real Men Wear Green]

Damn, I thought Vance was a bad VP pick according to Democrats? Dude is destroying Walz.
He had a number of anti-Trump statements in his past that can be used for commercials and he says a large number of things he doesn't believe in. I don't know who the great VP pick for Trump would have been because it's hard to find a competent person (which Vance is) that has been a consistent Trump supporter (Vance is definitely not).

[Real Men Wear Green]

Vance is a complete contrast to trump. He definitely shines as a debater. I think Trump is still number one at spotlighting an issue haha.

Walz is doing himself no favors with his death stare.

-Smak

Walz hasn't been great but he's not getting killed. The winning issues for democrats (abortion, school shootings) he's shown himself to be competent. It would be better for Harris if Walz was winning of course but if he comes out of there looking like a reliable, decent guy that's good enough. The election is mainly about the top of the ticket unless VP is awful.

[ILLsmak]

Walz hasn't been great but he's not getting killed. The winning issues for democrats (abortion, school shootings) he's shown himself to be competent. It would be better for Harris if Walz was winning of course but if he comes out of there looking like a reliable, decent guy that's good enough. The election is mainly about the top of the ticket unless VP is awful.

Imo vance is good, like really good. Walz is not making an impact. He’s not a victim tho, you’re right, but i see where people are coming from with vance. He’s an old school politician and he actually seems sincere, which is something i haven’t felt in awhile in politics. Vp or pres. trumps sincerity was being off the walls like nobody would say that, but vance is delivering talking points like he’s clinton or obama.

-Smak

[1987_Lakers]

Damn, Vance came in prepared like a MFer, dude is obviously well read. Kamala in huge trouble. W night for Trump.

[Patrick Chewing]

Would you say she has concepts of a plan?

It’s hard to believe she has any plan, otherwise she would have implemented that as Vice-President.

[diamenz]

It’s hard to believe she has any plan, otherwise she would have implemented that as Vice-President.

RMWG was mocking trump's "concepts of a plan" with regard to health care in the last debate.

[Patrick Chewing]

Tim Walz: “I’ve become friends with school shooters”


Uhhh wut??

[bladefd]

He had a number of anti-Trump statements in his past that can be used for commercials and he says a large number of things he doesn't believe in. I don't know who the great VP pick for Trump would have been because it's hard to find a competent person (which Vance is) that has been a consistent Trump supporter (Vance is definitely not).

That's why I wouldn't be nervous. And watch Trump find a way to undermine Vance to feed his own ego. Lil Donny can't stand someone else taking credit.

[Real Men Wear Green]

RMWG was mocking trump's "concepts of a plan" with regard to health care in the last debate.

Shh....

[SouBeachTalents]

Vance had inarguably been a bad VP pick so far, but he did a very good job tonight. Unlike Trump he actually seemed reasonable when discussing issues like abortion and guns.

I don't know how much of an impact it will play in the election, but the Republicans always look bad when they can't admit they lost in 2020, even Vance couldn't concede that tonight.

[BurningHammer]

Vance mentioned the Jan 6th.

Walz jumped on the subject.

Vance countered comparing it to 2020 election protest from Democrat.

Walz gave a rebuttal and questioned it back.

Vance changed the subject.

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

https://x.com/trumpwarroom/status/1841299037560934787?s=46&t=QpiHt-lQhG9X24f8oFHllw

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Walz worst moment was that China question of him lying about being at Tiananmen during the protest in 1989. He dodged the question then said "I mispoke" when the moderators kept pushing the question. Also had moments where he was clearly flustered.

Vance was super smooth the entire debate, he had a calmness about him and was super quick to his feet when the moderators asked him tough questions.

[BurningHammer]

Vance did change subjects he was unable to answer smoothly. :oldlol:

[BurningHammer]

https://x.com/jeffstorobinsky/status/1841289946692256210 (https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1841291195919606165)

:roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Vance did change subjects he was unable to answer smoothly. :oldlol:

He changed the subject from the 2020 election to censorship and Walz took the bait. Big L for Walz.

[j3lademaster]

Vance did change subjects he was unable to answer smoothly. :oldlol:I mean, those are debate skills. Walz should have kept him on the subject.

[diamenz]

honestly i think both of these guys make for better presidential candidates than their bosses.

[Lakers Legend#32]

All JD proved was that he was a better liar than Donald Trump.

[Draz]

Don't care. How does this effect my taxes?

[Media Moderator]

All JD proved was that he was a better liar than Donald Trump.

Even some liberal pundits grudgingly admit JD Vance was right fact checking the "fact checks" from the moderators.


Oh boy did Vance elevate himself in this debate

Biggest winner of the debate
JD Vance

Biggest loser of the debate
The moderators. :oldlol:

[Media Moderator]

Tim Walz

“Now the thing I’m most concerned about is, the idea that…imprisoning your *pause..long gulp* your political opponents....”

https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/577184256352387072/udSv7JHb_400x400.jpeg

[Lakers Legend#32]

"The rules were you guys were not gonna fact check."--JD Vance

[Lakers Legend#32]

LOL

JD was blaming school shootings on doors.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Walz hasn't been great but he's not getting killed. The winning issues for democrats (abortion, school shootings) he's shown himself to be competent. It would be better for Harris if Walz was winning of course but if he comes out of there looking like a reliable, decent guy that's good enough. The election is mainly about the top of the ticket unless VP is awful.
Something I frequently tell people on this site is that you should not assume everyone sees things the same way that you do. Your opinion is your opinion, not accepted fact. I find myself saying it to myself here.

CBS Debate Poll says: (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-vp-debate-poll-2024/)

42% Vance, 41% Walz, 17% unsure. If you want to call that a win for Vance you can but a margin that close means we can't expect any kind of major shift in opinions. Walz actually has the edge in who is thought to be more prepared for being President (60 to 55) and favoribility (60 to 49).

I will mention that so far Walz's main flaw is lying with a "conscience." Specifically in regards to aggrandizing his own life story. When he first came out there was the controversy about whether or not he had held "weapons of war" and last night we saw him get called out for saying he was at Tiananmen Square when he was not. When busted on that he basically came as close as he could to apologizing without admitting to the lie and humbled up. He isn'tgood at dealing with the fallout when he gets busted. I wouldn't want to see him morph into Vance but Vance is better at this. He will bullshit you without batting an eye and when busted will just toss up more bullshit as cool as possible. I don't think Walz has that ability within him so from here on out don't embellish the resume.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4hFD-edUk

[BurningHammer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR4hFD-edUk

Sky News Australia :roll::roll::roll:

[1987_Lakers]

Sky News Australia :roll::roll::roll:

CNN & MSNBC are both in the clip saying Vance won.

And aren't you Canadian? :roll:

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc3fvrO7h_0

:roll:

[BurningHammer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc3fvrO7h_0

:roll:

I can :roll: with you for this.

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Well, it seems to be unanimous, Vance won that debate last night. Walz with gaffe after gaffe and just giving off weird creepy vibes with his weird facial expressions. He walks like the bug guy in MIB.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/gIN6MT17NtapJqFr25/200w.gif

[BurningHammer]

CNN & MSNBC are both in the clip saying Vance won.

And aren't you Canadian? :roll:
https://www.newsweek.com/tim-walz-jd-vance-debate-polling-boost-1962380


A flash poll conducted by CNN (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/cnn) and SSRS after the debate among 574 registered voters who watched the showdown found that 51 percent of respondents said that Vance came out on top (https://www.newsweek.com/vp-debate-cnn-flash-poll-jd-vance-tim-walz-1962367), compared to 49 percent who said the same of Walz. The margin of error was +/- 5.3 points.


A CBS (https://www.newsweek.com/topic/cbs) News flash poll performed in conjunction with YouGov also showed Vance winning by a slim margin, with 42 percent of 1,630 respondents saying they thought the Ohio senator won the debate, to Walz's 41 percent. The margin of error was +/- 2.7 points. Seventeen percent of respondents said the debate was a draw.


In a Politico snap poll of the debate, while voters were split 50-50 on who won, Walz was seen to have won with independents by 58-42. He was also preferred as vice president by 44 percent of independents, with 36 percent choosing Vance.



Technically a draw. But sure, Vance won by a tiny bit.

[Hey Yo]

Walz said that illegal immigration was down since Trump left office was total bullshit and not true at all.

Vance was cool, calm and collective. Proved many Dems wrong after they claimed that Vance is a weirdo.

[ILLsmak]

Something I frequently tell people on this site is that you should not assume everyone sees things the same way that you do. Your opinion is your opinion, not accepted fact. I find myself saying it to myself here.

CBS Debate Poll says: (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/cbs-news-vp-debate-poll-2024/)

42% Vance, 41% Walz, 17% unsure. If you want to call that a win for Vance you can but a margin that close means we can't expect any kind of major shift in opinions. Walz actually has the edge in who is thought to be more prepared for being President (60 to 55) and favoribility (60 to 49).

I will mention that so far Walz's main flaw is lying with a "conscience." Specifically in regards to aggrandizing his own life story. When he first came out there was the controversy about whether or not he had held "weapons of war" and last night we saw him get called out for saying he was at Tiananmen Square when he was not. When busted on that he basically came as close as he could to apologizing without admitting to the lie and humbled up. He isn'tgood at dealing with the fallout when he gets busted. I wouldn't want to see him morph into Vance but Vance is better at this. He will bullshit you without batting an eye and when busted will just toss up more bullshit as cool as possible. I don't think Walz has that ability within him so from here on out don't embellish the resume.

betting markets shifted, too.

-Smak

[Off the Court]

I didn't watch and I don't know who supposedly won (I'm sure both sides think their guy won) but "Vance" is the number 1 trend on Twitter right now and he is getting torched.

In particular his complaint about being fact checked :oldlol:

"Whoa guys, we agreed you were going to let us lie!!!!"

[Hey Yo]

LOL @ saying Vance is getting torched... but no links to back up your claims.

If you didn't watch, then you have no reason to comment, chico.

[Patrick Chewing]

I didn't watch and I don't know who supposedly won (I'm sure both sides think their guy won) but "Vance" is the number 1 trend on Twitter right now and he is getting torched.

In particular his complaint about being fact checked :oldlol:

"Whoa guys, we agreed you were going to let us lie!!!!"

You should pay attention. His fact check proved him to be correct.

[Off the Court]

You should pay attention. His fact check proved him to be correct.

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1841291195919606165

That fact check?

[Off the Court]

Also WTF happened here?

https://x.com/abughazalehkat/status/1841491297145634831

:roll:

[TheMan]

Walz worst moment was that China question of him lying about being at Tiananmen during the protest in 1989. He dodged the question then said "I mispoke" when the moderators kept pushing the question. Also had moments where he was clearly flustered.

Vance was super smooth the entire debate, he had a calmness about him and was super quick to his feet when the moderators asked him tough questions.
Not being able to admit Trump lost in 2020 was a big miscue by Vance. That works with his supporters but they ain't going anywhere, it doesn't fly with those still on the fence though.

[j3lademaster]

I had it playing in the background while getting some work done, so I wasn’t paying very close attention, but Vance seemed like he killed Walz. Walz doesn’t seem like he’s built for this shit. He should have come clean about tiananmen square before it festered into the right’s only ammunition against him and continued champaigning on what made him likable in the first place. You can tell he was coached to reach across the aisle, but with no plan B in case Vance did the same. And on the few issues he had Vance by the throat he allowed him to weasel his way out. Walz is a terrible debater and not on Vance’s intellectual level.

[Hey Yo]

https://x.com/KamalaHQ/status/1841291195919606165

That fact check?

https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1841291813316948446?t=t9npHInXen3wy0toZsuhrQ&s=19

[Off the Court]

I had it playing in the background while getting some work done, so I wasn’t paying very close attention, but Vance seemed like he killed Walz. Walz doesn’t seem like he’s built for this shit. He should have come clean about tiananmen square before it festered into the right’s only ammunition against him and continued champaigning on what made him likable in the first place. You can tell he was coached to reach across the aisle, but with no plan B in case Vance did the same. And on the few issues he had Vance by the throat he allowed him to weasel his way out. Walz is a terrible debater and not on Vance’s intellectual level.

Fair enough, but Walz has a much higher favorability rating than Vance.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/jd-vance/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/tim-walz/

I guess we will see if the debate altered this in the coming days, but I doubt it will have much affect.

[j3lademaster]

Not being able to admit Trump lost in 2020 was a big miscue by Vance. That works with his supporters but they ain't going anywhere, it doesn't fly with those still on the fence.

Vance said he’d have done what Trump wanted if he were in Pence’s place. It’s absolutely unhinged, but he kind of has to die on this hill if he ever wants a shot at the presidency. In the beginning I thought the same: you have the maga cult vote locked down no matter what why not reach across the aisle more? Just lie and pander to the mod left a bit. But then it hit me. He doesn’t care that much about winning 2024. He cares more about pandering to Trump’s loyalist so he can inherit them for HIS run for presidency whether that’s 2032 2036 or what have you.

[Off the Court]

https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1841291813316948446?t=t9npHInXen3wy0toZsuhrQ&s=19

Was Walz right there? That those laws have been in the books since 1990?

If so Vance lied TWICE about that. Once for them being "illegal" and then another for saying Kamala gave them easy access.

[TheMan]

I had it playing in the background while getting some work done, so I wasn’t paying very close attention, but Vance seemed like he killed Walz. Walz doesn’t seem like he’s built for this shit. He should have come clean about tiananmen square before it festered into the right’s only ammunition against him and continued champaigning on what made him likable in the first place. You can tell he was coached to reach across the aisle, but with no plan B in case Vance did the same. And on the few issues he had Vance by the throat he allowed him to weasel his way out. Walz is a terrible debater and not on Vance’s intellectual level.

I read that Walz readily admitted to the Harris campaign that he was a terrible debater when he was being vetted. Walz is good on the stump, not good debating, Vance is a good debater but doesn't connect as well on the stump.

[j3lademaster]

Fair enough, but Walz has a much higher favorability rating than Vance.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/jd-vance/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/tim-walz/

I guess we will see if the debate altered this in the coming days, but I doubt it will have much affect.Walz’s humanity is relatable. You can tell when he’s lying because he’s bad at it. It eats at his conscience and that’s when he gets flustered. To me, that’s actually refreshing to see from a politician than another Vance or Pelosi or Trump.

[SouBeachTalents]

Not being able to admit Trump lost in 2020 was a big miscue by Vance. That works with his supporters but they ain't going anywhere, it doesn't fly with those still on the fence though.


Vance said he’d have done what Trump wanted if he were in Pence’s place. It’s absolutely unhinged, but he kind of has to die on this hill if he ever wants a shot at the presidency. In the beginning I thought the same: you have the maga cult vote locked down no matter what why not reach across the aisle more? Just lie and pander to the mod left a bit. But then it hit me. He doesn’t care that much about winning 2024. He cares more about pandering to Trump’s loyalist so he can inherit them for HIS run for presidency whether that’s 2032 2036 or what have you.
That was his one true misstep the entire night after a very good performance. I said earlier I don't know how much of a factor it plays in the election, but going on with the charade about the stolen election is an absolute losing cause for the Republicans with the moderate/swing voters. Refusing to admit defeat and concede elections is definitely not a good look to anybody beyond the MAGA base.

[BurningHammer]

Walz’s humanity is relatable. You can tell when he’s lying because he’s bad at it. It eats at his conscience and that’s when he gets flustered. To me, that’s actually refreshing to see from a politician than another Vance or Pelosi or Trump.

:kobe:

[j3lademaster]

I read that Walz readily admitted to the Harris campaign that he was a terrible debater when he was being vetted. Walz is good on the stump, not good debating, Vance is a good debater but doesn't connect as well on the stump.

Yeah, Walz is likable and tells a good story. That’s why he looked so bad debating abortion, the timer ran out on him before he can finish every time, while Vance was very to-the-point which made him seem a lot more objective. Vance is also very good at extending the subject and making his opponent answer when he feels like he’s winning, and word salading and worming his way out of the tiniest crack when you have him on something.

[Hey Yo]

Fair enough, but Walz has a much higher favorability rating than Vance.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/jd-vance/
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/tim-walz/

I guess we will see if the debate altered this in the coming days, but I doubt it will have much affect.

Now all of a sudden polls matter?

Make up your mind.

[j3lademaster]

That was his one true misstep the entire night after a very good performance. I said earlier I don't know how much of a factor it plays in the election, but going on with the charade about the stolen election is an absolute losing cause for the Republicans with the moderate/swing voters. Refusing to admit defeat and concede elections is definitely not a good look to anybody beyond the MAGA base.
When Vance inevitably runs for president, he will go back on this. He’ll say that Kamala’s presidency was so dangerous that he felt the need to say things like that in order to combat it and he disavows anything of the sort. This is of course when he has Trump’s base locked down and Trump is too old to run against him.

[Hey Yo]

Was Walz right there? That those laws have been in the books since 1990?

If so Vance lied TWICE about that. Once for them being "illegal" and then another for saying Kamala gave them easy access.

Just figured I'd play the whole clip for you to hear considering you didn't watch and only going by pro Kamalluh tweets.

[j3lademaster]

:kobe:
I’ll be happy to explain myself if you tell me where your contention is.

[Hey Yo]

Fact checking was up to Vance and Walz to apply, not the moderators.

NEW YORK (AP) — CBS News, hosting vice presidential candidates JD Vance and Tim Walz for the general election campaign’s third debate next week, says it will be up to the politicians — not the moderators — to check the facts of their opponents.

With its plans, CBS News is clearly indicating it wants to take a step back from the heat generated by calling attention to misleading statements by candidates. Some argue that offstage fact-checking is too little, too late and not seen by many people who watch the event.

https://apnews.com/article/cbs-debate-vice-president-fact-check-7a3b31c98ab092dd44915df57a359d10

[Patrick Chewing]

https://x.com/ClayTravis/status/1841291813316948446?t=t9npHInXen3wy0toZsuhrQ&s=19

https://media.tenor.com/D-ItB5iBmPYAAAAM/pow-pow-punch.gif

[Off the Court]

Now all of a sudden polls matter?

Make up your mind.

When did I say that polls don't matter?

[Hey Yo]

When did I say that polls don't matter?

You said less than 2wks ago that basically take current polls with a grain of salt when I was talking to TheMan. When I showed him CNN polls were much closer than he suggested they were at the time of our posts. Then you chimed in showing your 538 polls.

[Off the Court]

You said less than 2wks ago that basically take current polls with a grain of salt when I was talking to TheMan. When I showed him CNN polls were much closer than he suggested they were at the time of our posts. Then you chimed in showing your 538 polls.

I said any one single poll, and that you have to take the average of all the polls, like 538 does. And that is what I just showed for their favorability. Not just one CNN poll that says Walz is more liked than Vance. It's all the polls averaged out that state as such.

[Off the Court]

FWIW, all the polls are are in that 55%-45% range. So this is a virtual coin flip no matter who has the slight edge. And IMO whoever takes Pennsylvania will likely win the election.

[TheMan]

Vance said he’d have done what Trump wanted if he were in Pence’s place. It’s absolutely unhinged, but he kind of has to die on this hill if he ever wants a shot at the presidency. In the beginning I thought the same: you have the maga cult vote locked down no matter what why not reach across the aisle more? Just lie and pander to the mod left a bit. But then it hit me. He doesn’t care that much about winning 2024. He cares more about pandering to Trump’s loyalist so he can inherit them for HIS run for presidency whether that’s 2032 2036 or what have you.

I agree, he's on video talking smack about Trump, now he's all in, nah, he's pandering to the Trumpers.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Hey MAGGOTS what was your favorite lie JD told?

1. Trump saved Obamacare

or

2. Trump peacefully accepted the transfer of power after the election.

Face it, if either of these lies were true, you would be writing in Ted Nugent for president.

[TheMan]

When Vance inevitably runs for president, he will go back on this. He’ll say that Kamala’s presidency was so dangerous that he felt the need to say things like that in order to combat it and he disavows anything of the sort. This is of course when he has Trump’s base locked down and Trump is too old to run against him.

This is Trump's last shot at regaining the presidency, 1) he'll be too old in 2028, 2) having lost the previous two presidential elections, the GOP will not back him again, 3) there's still a possibility he could be in prison, albeit it's a slim possibility, that would be up to the judge's discretion...

[Norcaliblunt]

Is there at least one person on this site that isn’t a partisan hack?

I mean are there actually any true independent people on this board?

Not flip floppers but true **** the mainstream dems and repubs all the time?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Hey MAGGOTS, maybe this was your favorite JD lie when he said he never supported a nation wide abortion ban.

[SouBeachTalents]

Is there at least one person on this site that isn’t a partisan hack?

I mean are there actually any true independent people on this board?

Not flip floppers but true **** the mainstream dems and repubs all the time?
No, nobody on here is as objective and enlightened as you.

[Patrick Chewing]

Is there at least one person on this site that isn’t a partisan hack?

I mean are there actually any true independent people on this board?

Not flip floppers but true **** the mainstream dems and repubs all the time?

Conservatism is the way. Conservatism is the light.


Peace to you, brother.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Conservatism is the way. Conservatism is the light.


Peace to you, brother.

Trump spends like a liberal while being a social reactionary. He's not conservative at all.

[ILLsmak]

Is there at least one person on this site that isn’t a partisan hack?

I mean are there actually any true independent people on this board?

Not flip floppers but true **** the mainstream dems and repubs all the time?

Are you going to vote?

-Smak

[Lakers Legend#32]

It’s hard to believe she has any plan, otherwise she would have implemented that as Vice-President.

Poorly Educated Poopsie puts out his ignorance for everyone to see (even when he's regurgitating a right-wing talking point).

Fatty does not understand how the vice presidency works.

The veep does not make policy. The veep cannot do anything they want.

The vice president does what the president delegates to them.

Fatrick must have been making a Burger King run when his high school civics class was talking about this.

[RRR3]

No, nobody on here is as objective and enlightened as you.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Norcaliblunt]

No, nobody on here is as objective and enlightened as you.

Don’t patronize me. You know exactly what I’m saying, but you’re too much of a tribal bitch to ever be independent of any mainstream narrative.

You literally have hundreds of posts defending Lebron James.

Lmao.

[Dbrog]

Is there at least one person on this site that isn’t a partisan hack?

I mean are there actually any true independent people on this board?

Not flip floppers but true **** the mainstream dems and repubs all the time?

I think the problem is people on here look at anyone who is voting Republican as some Trump MAGA lover and is also a racist/biggot/etc. I've only ever voted Republican once and the rest Democrat, yet I say critical things about how the party has lost its way and I'm put in the category of my first sentence. In short, true independents won't even register as such to people on this board because of the tribalism in today's society

[ILLsmak]

Don’t patronize me. You know exactly what I’m saying, but you’re too much of a tribal bitch to ever be independent of any mainstream narrative.

You literally have hundreds of posts defending Lebron James.

Lmao.

I think it’s pertinent to this whole discussion:

Do you or are you going to vote?

Cuz ye the system is ****ed, but it’s hard to take anything seriously from someone who doesn’t vote… for someone who can win. It’s important to our govt and if more people voted we could get the people we want in.

-Smak

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5p45hRPS-Y

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.ibb.co/6XR6KvW/GY9qo-MVXg-AAEt5b.jpg

[Hey Yo]

:roll: ^^^

Wallllllllllz!!

[Hey Yo]

https://youtu.be/wc3fvrO7h_0?si=sejQ5L1IWpwZEKsa

Any one figure this shit out yet? Which school shooters Walz is friends with?

[j3lademaster]

Walz didn't do that poorly in a vaccum. He had a much better performance than Kamala, Vance just happened to be phenomenal.

[rmt]

https://i.ibb.co/6XR6KvW/GY9qo-MVXg-AAEt5b.jpg

LOL - some of you must be up there in age to know Sgt. Schlutz

[ArbitraryWater]

Vance had inarguably been a bad VP pick so far, but he did a very good job tonight. Unlike Trump he actually seemed reasonable when discussing issues like abortion and guns.

I don't know how much of an impact it will play in the election, but the Republicans always look bad when they can't admit they lost in 2020, even Vance couldn't concede that tonight.

Isnt Trumps position to leave abortion to the states?

[Jasper]

Vance learned from Don Jaun to lie like a fvcking rabbit that gives birth.

[ArbitraryWater]

Sky News Australia :roll::roll::roll:


you are fuming lol

[Jasper]

megas following dumpsters lead -- harris u are in the position for 3 1/2 years why didn't u do it ????

jasper to trump - why didn't u remove taxing Social Security ?? u had 4 years to do it .

[ZenMaster]

That was his one true misstep the entire night after a very good performance. I said earlier I don't know how much of a factor it plays in the election, but going on with the charade about the stolen election is an absolute losing cause for the Republicans with the moderate/swing voters. Refusing to admit defeat and concede elections is definitely not a good look to anybody beyond the MAGA base.

Doesn't seem to jive with current concerns.


A new telephone and online survey by Rasmussen Reports and the Heartland Institute finds that 62% of Likely Voters are concerned that cheating will affect the outcome of the 2024 election, including 37% who are Very Concerned. Thirty-five percent (35%) arenÂ’t concerned about election cheating, including 15% who are Not At All Concerned.

[Jasper]

in theory trump had a plan to remove tax's from SS back in 2016-2020.

It was referred to removing SS all together , and have those people go back into the work force to compensate for all the lost jobs

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