Would Lebron's Lakers tenure be Hall of Fame?

[StrongLurk]

It's an easy yes for me.

Age 34-39.

1 ring, 1 FMVP, 5 all-nba selections, 5 all-star selections, assists title.

Reg Season - 27/8/8 on 60 TS%, 24.8 PER, .173 WS/48, 7.4 BPM.

Playoffs - 26/10/8 on 61.5 TS%, 25.9 PER, .204 WS/48, 9.4 BPM.

Even as an old, out of prime player, Lebron STILL raises his game come playoff time :bowdown::bowdown:

[John8204]

It's an easy yes for me.

Age 34-39.

1 ring, 1 FMVP, 5 all-nba selections, 5 all-star selections, assists title.

Reg Season - 27/8/8 on 60 TS%, 24.8 PER, .173 WS/48, 7.4 BPM.

Playoffs - 26/10/8 on 61.5 TS%, 25.9 PER, .204 WS/48, 9.4 BPM.

Even as an old, out of prime player, Lebron STILL raises his game come playoff time :bowdown::bowdown:

I mean that's a lock point right there

[Full Court]

Of course it's a yes for you.

But no. Empty stats and being a net negative shouldn't get you into the hall of fame.

[1987_Lakers]

Yes, easily. won a ring & Finals MVP, MVP of In season Tournament and also Olympic MVP while he was with the Lakers.

[Carbine]

His FIBA MVP and gold medal also plays a huge role into his HOF candidacy.

I think it's pretty clear he would get in based off that resume. There are players in with less. Vlade Divac for example.

[StrongLurk]

Yes, easily. won a ring & Finals MVP, MVP of In season Tournament and also Olympic MVP while he was with the Lakers.

Didn't even include some of this :lol. Even OLD-MAN Lebron is top dawg.

[Nowoco]

MVP of In season Tournament

:lol

[Airupthere]

It would be nice to add 2nd place up to 10th place accomplishments here. In keeping with the tradition.

[Full Court]

This thread is yet more proof that Bronie fluffers have low standards.

:confusedshrug:

[Carbine]

The NBA HOF has low standards actually.

[Axe]

The NBA HOF has low standards actually.
:oldlol:

[Full Court]

The NBA HOF has low standards actually.

Not as low as the standards of the Bronie fluffers though. They take it to a whole new level of low.

[Phoenix]

Tmac got 2 scoring titles, like 7 all-NBAs and a bunch of first round exits. He's in. So based on precedent, what do you think if Lebrons career was just from 2018 to now?

[StrongLurk]

It's clear to anyone Lebron's Lakers career alone is objectively hall of fame, especially including his GOLD medal and OLYMPIC MVP.

[Full Court]

It's clear to anyone Lebron's Lakers career alone is objectively hall of fame, especially including his GOLD medal and OLYMPIC MVP.

^Damage control. Curry was the olympic MVP and even the Bronie fluffers know it deep down.

[3ba11]

A 2nd option ring and a few All-NBA's, and otherwise catastrophic loss every year - this includes multiple lotteries and multiple 1st Round loss, and historic loss by losing 4 straight 4th quarter leads in a sweep loss??? Jokic's yearly b*tch?

Of course not

[ShawkFactory]

Probably..

Great title run and FMVP going 28/11/9 in the playoffs. All-star and All-NBA every year. There are plenty of people in the hall who have done less over the course of their careers.

[SouBeachTalents]

These questions always crack me up. The HOF has some of the lowest standards imaginable. Just based off his Lakers tenure LeBron would have

27/8/8 average
26/10/8 playoff average
FMVP
MVP runner up
Olympic Gold & tournament MVP
Assists leader
6 All-NBA selections

If Lou Hudson, Mo Cheeks & Zelmo Beaty made the HOF, you'd have to be a moron to believe the above wouldn't be voted in.

[Phoenix]

A 2nd option ring and a few All-NBA's, and otherwise catastrophic loss every year - this includes multiple lotteries and multiple 1st Round loss, and historic loss by losing 4 straight 4th quarter leads in a sweep loss??? Jokic's yearly b*tch?

Of course not

Why would we expect anything different from you? Care to explain why Tmac got in? He doesn't even have a collegiate career like Grant Hill to factor in.

[LAL]

Why would we expect anything different from you? Care to explain why Tmac got in? He doesn't even have a collegiate career like Grant Hill to factor in.

Please stfu my friend. Lebron's Laker stint has been a joke, and no it's not HOF worthy lmao :oldlol: Tmac was actually dominating with his scoring outbursts, skills and monster games unlike six seasons of losing with a 40 year old stat padding ball hog who turned this franchise into a circus, a joke.

What a topic. There's nothing worse than bronsexuals.

[tpols]

I mean... Kobes '09 -'13 partially post prime era would be HOF too. Basketball HOF isn't hard to make. Michael Cooper was a role player and he's in the HOF.

[ShawkFactory]

Please stfu my friend. Lebron's Laker stint has been a joke, and no it's not HOF worthy lmao :oldlol: Tmac was actually dominating with his scoring outbursts, skills and monster games unlike six seasons of losing with a 40 year old stat padding ball hog who turned this franchise into a circus, a joke.

What a topic. There's nothing worse than bronsexuals.

Yea because the LA Lakers have never been a circus lol

There are people who have done way less that are in.

[StrongLurk]

It's an easy yes for me.

Age 34-39.

1 ring, 1 FMVP, 5 all-nba selections, 5 all-star selections, assists title.

Reg Season - 27/8/8 on 60 TS%, 24.8 PER, .173 WS/48, 7.4 BPM.

Playoffs - 26/10/8 on 61.5 TS%, 25.9 PER, .204 WS/48, 9.4 BPM.

Even as an old, out of prime player, Lebron STILL raises his game come playoff time :bowdown::bowdown:

Easy yes. Lebron was literally the best player in the world at age 39, as shown by his OLYMPIC MVP.

[Phoenix]

Please stfu my friend. Lebron's Laker stint has been a joke, and no it's not HOF worthy lmao :oldlol: Tmac was actually dominating with his scoring outbursts, skills and monster games unlike six seasons of losing with a 40 year old stat padding ball hog who turned this franchise into a circus, a joke.

What a topic. There's nothing worse than bronsexuals.

I suggest you take your own advice. I couldn't care less about Lebron. Tmac had absolutely no playoff success( excusable in Orlando, less so in Houston) so regardless of all that low IQ drivel you posted, if his career( basically 2000-2008) is considered HOF worthy then Lebron's 2018-2024 period is as well. It's not about him specifically and more about how obviously low standard the basketball hall is. You obviously can get in with individual accolades and no team success. Lebron has several all-NBAs, an assist title and the stats from 2018-2024. That's not even factoring in the 2020 chip and FMVP.

So yes, my friend. Please STFU. Some of you are so stupid you think anyone not criticizing Lebron is a Bronsexual. You can tell the morons around here who failed English in school and can't craft a decent argument without the sand in their vee-jay leaking out.

[StrongLurk]

Even old-man Bron makes his haters extremely triggered :roll:

Dude proved he was best in the world by winning Olympics FMVP at age 40

[SouBeachTalents]

I suggest you take your own advice. I couldn't care less about Lebron. Tmac had absolutely no playoff success( excusable in Orlando, less so in Houston) so regardless of all that low IQ drivel you posted, if his career( basically 2000-2008) is considered HOF worthy then Lebron's 2018-2024 period is as well. It's not about him specifically and more about how obviously low standard the basketball hall is. You obviously can get in with individual accolades and no team success. Lebron has several all-NBAs, an assist title and the stats from 2018-2024. That's not even factoring in the 2020 chip and FMVP.

So yes, my friend. Please STFU. Some of you are so stupid you think anyone not criticizing Lebron is a Bronsexual. You can tell the morons around here who failed English in school and can't craft a decent argument without the sand in their vee-jay leaking out.
Stfu bronsexual

[Axe]

Even old-man Bron makes his haters extremely triggered :roll:

Dude proved he was best in the world by winning Olympics FMVP at age 40
Correct.

[Full Court]

"Tenure".....


:roll:

Well, his Lakers tenure has been the biggest underachievement in the history of the sport, so there's that. Who else has ever led a superteam to the lottery? Who else didn't make the playoffs with Westbrook?

[3ba11]

I suggest you take your own advice. I couldn't care less about Lebron. Tmac had absolutely no playoff success( excusable in Orlando, less so in Houston) so regardless of all that low IQ drivel you posted, if his career( basically 2000-2008) is considered HOF worthy then Lebron's 2018-2024 period is as well. It's not about him specifically and more about how obviously low standard the basketball hall is. You obviously can get in with individual accolades and no team success. Lebron has several all-NBAs, an assist title and the stats from 2018-2024. That's not even factoring in the 2020 chip and FMVP.

So yes, my friend. Please STFU. Some of you are so stupid you think anyone not criticizing Lebron is a Bronsexual. You can tell the morons around here who failed English in school and can't craft a decent argument without the sand in their vee-jay leaking out.


Tmac's dominance would easily 3-peat with AD, while Lebron is the league-joke with AD - this massive underachieving every year is why Lebron could never be in HOF based solely on his career in the Western Conference (a real, undiluted conference).... Accordingly, only his Eastern Conference career is possibly HOF, largely because he put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team to "stack the deck".

[Axe]

Tmac's dominance would easily 3-peat with AD, while Lebron is the league-joke with AD - this massive underachieving every year is why Lebron could never be in HOF based solely on his career in the Western Conference (a real, undiluted conference).... Accordingly, only his Eastern Conference career is possibly HOF, largely because he put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team to "stack the deck".
1-9. (https://i.ibb.co/qFwzgHS/IMG-20221027-192759.jpg)

[Phoenix]

Tmac's dominance would easily 3-peat with AD.

No it wouldn't. And I was a big Tmac fan.

[ShawkFactory]

Tmac's dominance would easily 3-peat with AD, while Lebron is the league-joke with AD - this massive underachieving every year is why Lebron could never be in HOF based solely on his career in the Western Conference (a real, undiluted conference).... Accordingly, only his Eastern Conference career is possibly HOF, largely because he put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team to "stack the deck".

:lol

Nice.

[3ba11]

No it wouldn't. And I was a big Tmac fan.


Peak Tmac was a much better scorer than any version of Lebron, but certainly this fossil version that only averages 25 in the weakest defensive era of all-time and greatest offensive era.

Btw, Lebron averaged 5 turnovers per 24 minutes against 1-star lottery teams in the Olympics, which translates to 7 turnovers per game in the NBA... translation: old Lebron is a joke that can't play defense and loses with AD, while also being inflated by an easy era and bron-ball offense designed for stats and not winning

[sdot_thadon]

Peak Tmac was a much better scorer than any version of Lebron, but certainly this fossil version that only averages 25 in the weakest defensive era of all-time and greatest offensive era.

Btw, Lebron averaged 5 turnovers per 24 minutes against 1-star lottery teams in the Olympics, which translates to 7 turnovers per game in the NBA... translation: old Lebron is a joke that can't play defense and loses with AD, while also being inflated by an easy era and bron-ball offense designed for stats and not winning

Tmac couldn't even stay healthy long enough to do shit in his prime. I had a front row seat for his stint in Houston. It was infuriating to say the least and he's one of my favorite players ever.

About Ops question? Of course it's hall worthy, the standards aren't that terribly high as many have already stated. The standards for posters around here are even lower somehow.....

[3ba11]

Tmac couldn't even stay healthy long enough to do shit in his prime. I had a front row seat for his stint in Houston. It was infuriating to say the least and he's one of my favorite players ever.

About Ops question? Of course it's hall worthy, the standards aren't that terribly high as many have already stated. The standards for posters around here are even lower somehow.....


yeah it sucked that some of the best from that era like Tmac, Penny and Hill got hurt... then there's the Lewis, Bias, Tarpley, Ray Richardson's, etc

But Tmac made the HOF because people thought his apex was equivalent talent to MJ - so if they're just going by peaks, then Lebron's tenure in the Western Conference would not qualify as HOF imo.. If he made it, people would debate it.

[Phoenix]

Peak Tmac was a much better scorer than any version of Lebron, but certainly this fossil version that only averages 25 in the weakest defensive era of all-time and greatest offensive era.

Btw, Lebron averaged 5 turnovers per 24 minutes against 1-star lottery teams in the Olympics, which translates to 7 turnovers per game in the NBA... translation: old Lebron is a joke that can't play defense and loses with AD, while also being inflated by an easy era and bron-ball offense designed for stats and not winning

That's nice. He still wouldn't 3peat with AD.

[SouBeachTalents]

That's nice. He still wouldn't 3peat with AD.
Bro, he easily 3peats

[3ba11]

That's nice. He still wouldn't 3peat with AD.


Peak Tmac would do better than Lebron has done, which is a 2nd option chip, 2 lotteries, 2 first-round exit, and then losing 4 straight 4th quarter leads to get swept, aka goat choking.. it's unbelievable catastrophic losses every year - Tmac would do better than that

[dankok8]

T-Mac is not threepeating with AD because neither he nor AD could stay healthy enough. But say peak T-Mac for one healthy year (ex. 2003) would probably win the bubble ring with AD in 2020. And he would put up some crazy numbers in this era. To say prime T-Mac is as good as or better than old Lebron is not disrespect. It's reality. Lebron still puts up good numbers but his impact isn't close to what it was in his prime. Threepeat is a bit much though.

[RRR3]

T-Mac is not threepeating with AD because neither he nor AD could stay healthy enough. But say peak T-Mac for one healthy year (ex. 2003) would probably win the bubble ring with AD in 2020. And he would put up some crazy numbers in this era. To say prime T-Mac is as good as or better than old Lebron is not disrespect. It's reality. Lebron still puts up good numbers but his impact isn't close to what it was in his prime. Threepeat is a bit much though.
2003 T-Mac is better than old LeBron, but that's just one year. Idk if he was ever better than old LeBron besides that year.

[dankok8]

2003 T-Mac is better than old LeBron, but that's just one year. Idk if he was ever better than old LeBron besides that year.

2001-2007 T-Mac is a pretty freaking good 7-year stretch. He was pretty healthy too.

[sdot_thadon]

yeah it sucked that some of the best from that era like Tmac, Penny and Hill got hurt... then there's the Lewis, Bias, Tarpley, Ray Richardson's, etc

But Tmac made the HOF because people thought his apex was equivalent talent to MJ - so if they're just going by peaks, then Lebron's tenure in the Western Conference would not qualify as HOF imo.. If he made it, people would debate it.

Nobody thought he was Mjs equivalent, he was barely young Kobes equivalent but he was fun to watch because he was the best contested shot maker I'd ever seen and maybe still have ever seen. The truth is he was fragile and perhaps his body couldn't handle his athleticism. So no he wouldn't have 3peated with AD because he couldn't manage even a finals appearance with Yao who was injury prone as he and AD both have been.

[3ba11]

Nobody thought he was Mjs equivalent, he was barely young Kobes equivalent but he was fun to watch because he was the best contested shot maker I'd ever seen and maybe still have ever seen. The truth is he was fragile and perhaps his body couldn't handle his athleticism. So no he wouldn't have 3peated with AD because he couldn't manage even a finals appearance with Yao who was injury prone as he and AD both have been.


Tmac was post-injury and past his prime alongside Yao, just like post-injury Derrick Rose - a completely different player.

From a sheer talent standpoint, peak Tmac was closer to MJ than Kobe... I remember him shooting 3 straight turnarounds on Wizards MJ without dribbling a single time, and I was like "Oh my lawd, please stop"... Old Mike was so great though that he got him back every time - it was a back-and-forth.. He had the same thing going with KG and won that one

[RRR3]

2001-2007 T-Mac is a pretty freaking good 7-year stretch. He was pretty healthy too.
Healthy? WHAT? Do you know anything about TMac? He was pretty done after 05 too. Jesus. He was my favorite player growing up, you can’t fool me on this with your bs.

[StrongLurk]

It's an easy yes for me.

Age 34-39.

1 ring, 1 FMVP, 5 all-nba selections, 5 all-star selections, assists title.

Reg Season - 27/8/8 on 60 TS%, 24.8 PER, .173 WS/48, 7.4 BPM.

Playoffs - 26/10/8 on 61.5 TS%, 25.9 PER, .204 WS/48, 9.4 BPM.

Proved best in the world at age 40 by winning Olympic MVP and Gold Medal.



Looks like its a consensus yes based on the responses and common logic.

[RRR3]

Looks like its a consensus yes based on the responses and common logic.
Consensus among people who aren't braindead becaose of obsessive LeBron hate, sure. But that leaves out a lot of the posters ITT

[dankok8]

Healthy? WHAT? Do you know anything about TMac? He was pretty done after 05 too. Jesus. He was my favorite player growing up, you can’t fool me on this with your bs.

Dude I ain't fooling nobody. I watched T-Mac's entire career in real time. His 7-year stretch that I mentioned matches up very well against Lakers Lebron.

[Phoenix]

Peak Tmac would do better than Lebron has done, which is a 2nd option chip, 2 lotteries, 2 first-round exit, and then losing 4 straight 4th quarter leads to get swept, aka goat choking.. it's unbelievable catastrophic losses every year - Tmac would do better than that

Cool story. Still not 3peating.

[Phoenix]

T-Mac is not threepeating with AD because neither he nor AD could stay healthy enough. But say peak T-Mac for one healthy year (ex. 2003) would probably win the bubble ring with AD in 2020. And he would put up some crazy numbers in this era. To say prime T-Mac is as good as or better than old Lebron is not disrespect. It's reality. Lebron still puts up good numbers but his impact isn't close to what it was in his prime. Threepeat is a bit much though.

That's the most likely scenario, peak Tmac and AD balling out in a wide open setting. But that's not gonna happen 3 times, per 3nutball's contention that he would 3peat.

[RRR3]

Dude I ain't fooling nobody. I watched T-Mac's entire career in real time. His 7-year stretch that I mentioned matches up very well against Lakers Lebron.
No it doesn't he was constantly playing in pain, which really affected his jumpshot and his scoring. Hence him having Lakers Westbrook level efficiency in 06 and 07. Like I said, after 05, not the same guy. 06 and 07 is not prime T-Mac.

[Phoenix]

No it doesn't he was constantly playing in pain, which really affected his jumpshot and his scoring. Hence him having Lakers Westbrook level efficiency in 06 and 07. Like I said, after 05, not the same guy. 06 and 07 is not prime T-Mac.

I would say he wasn't even the same guy after 2003. Even that year he was playing with back pain. His ppg and % went down while everyone else's shot up after the 2004 rule change. Imagine 2003 Tmac in 2006 when Kobe was going off for 35ppg and Iverson 33ppg.

[RRR3]

I would say he wasn't even the same guy after 2003. Even that year he was playing with back pain. His ppg and % went down while everyone else's shot up after the 2004 rule change. Imagine 2003 Tmac in 2006 when Kobe was going off for 35ppg and Iverson 33ppg.
Yeah, that too, he was still very elite in 04 an 05 though. But it's pretty crazy to say 06 and 07 T-Mac is on the same level as Lakers LeBron. Then again, dankok8 is the same guy giving us such insightful comments as these, https://i.ibb.co/K0JyTHq/a.png

so I wouldn't take anything he says where LeBron is involved the least bit seriously.

[Phoenix]

Yeah, that too, he was still very elite in 04 an 05 though. But it's pretty crazy to say 06 and 07 T-Mac is on the same level as Lakers LeBron. Then again, dankok8 is the same guy giving us such insightful comments as these, https://i.ibb.co/K0JyTHq/a.png

so I wouldn't take anything he says where LeBron is involved the least bit seriously.

He was still elite in 2004 and 2005 yeah, but even then I recall his shot becoming more of a line drive because of his back, he didn't get the same lift and that caused the dip in efficiency.

[imdaman99]

Yes lol why argue with people who think otherwise?

By no means a top 5 Laker but he is easily hof even his tenure there

[RRR3]

Yes lol why argue with people who think otherwise?

By no means a top 5 Laker but he is easily hof even his tenure there
You could cut so many HOF guys careers into halves or thirds and they'd still make it. Ray Allen would have made it for just the Bucks and Sonics part for instance.

[StrongLurk]

Yes lol why argue with people who think otherwise?

By no means a top 5 Laker but he is easily hof even his tenure there

To be transparent, I made this as a troll thread to the Bron haters. The premise of the OP is so obvious and the answer is clearly yes, but the Lebron haters can't give him any credit anywhere, any time. Of course I baited these idiots into this thread and they couldn't help themselves and still tried to claim Lebron's Lakers tenure isn't HoF-worthy, even though the NBA hall-of-fame is much easier to get into than other sport :roll:

[sdot_thadon]

Dude I ain't fooling nobody. I watched T-Mac's entire career in real time. His 7-year stretch that I mentioned matches up very well against Lakers Lebron.

Sure, if we're doing the "suddenly ignore accolades because it doesn't fit thr agenda here" routine. If we're approaching it like every single other Lebron comparison then hell no. Tmac had a good run as far as his individual play but he didn't accomplish anything in that 7 years to suggest what you're saying.

[3ba11]

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No because Lebron was the only player in the league that got roster overhauls each year as GM's conspired league-wide to make media narratives come true:



2020 - The "AD Heist"

2021 - Schroeder, Pope, Drummond, Montrezl Harrell, Marc Gasol, Markieff Morris

2022 - Westbrook, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Malik Monk, Ariza, Talen Horton-Tucker, Wenyen Gabriel, Kendrick Nunn

2023 - D'Angelo Russell, Jared Vanderbilt, Thomas Bryant, Max Christie, Patrick Beverly, Schroeder

2024 - Rui Hachimura, Taureen Prince, Cam Reddish, Gabe Vincent, Christian Wood, Spencer Dinwiddie


Lebron was gifted every player-type imaginable, yet he disappointed every year except the bubble, such as 2 lotteries, 2 first-round exits, and 4 straight chokes in 4th quarter to get swept in WCF (NOT an accomplishment)...

Derek Fisher called today's league "WWE" because it's no longer about competing and it's just about entertainment, such as easy rules for easy offense, load management, and GM's conspiring to get Bron another ring (shown above).

[Jasper]

Bron will go in as a heat player , so his jersey sits next to the GOAT

[HoopsNY]

I would say he wasn't even the same guy after 2003. Even that year he was playing with back pain. His ppg and % went down while everyone else's shot up after the 2004 rule change. Imagine 2003 Tmac in 2006 when Kobe was going off for 35ppg and Iverson 33ppg.

Didn't seem to affect him as much in the playoffs though. He still put 31 PPG on 56% TS% in both 2003 and 2005 in the PS.

I think TMac fairs better than LeBron in his old age but that's understandable because 2001-2006 were his peak/prime years. Also, TMac was a very underrated defensive player. In those days, he was drawing comparisons to Kobe

[StrongLurk]

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No because Lebron was the only player in the league that got roster overhauls each year as GM's conspired league-wide to make media narratives come true:



2020 - The "AD Heist"

2021 - Schroeder, Pope, Drummond, Montrezl Harrell, Marc Gasol, Markieff Morris

2022 - Westbrook, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Malik Monk, Ariza, Talen Horton-Tucker, Wenyen Gabriel, Kendrick Nunn

2023 - D'Angelo Russell, Jared Vanderbilt, Thomas Bryant, Max Christie, Patrick Beverly, Schroeder

2024 - Rui Hachimura, Taureen Prince, Cam Reddish, Gabe Vincent, Christian Wood, Spencer Dinwiddie


Lebron was gifted every player-type imaginable, yet he disappointed every year except the bubble, such as 2 lotteries, 2 first-round exits, and 4 straight chokes in 4th quarter to get swept in WCF (NOT an accomplishment)...

Derek Fisher called today's league "WWE" because it's no longer about competing and it's just about entertainment, such as easy rules for easy offense, load management, and GM's conspiring to get Bron another ring (shown above).

Your tears are delicious. Keep crying lil boy.

[sdot_thadon]

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No because Lebron was the only player in the league that got roster overhauls each year as GM's conspired league-wide to make media narratives come true:



2020 - The "AD Heist"

2021 - Schroeder, Pope, Drummond, Montrezl Harrell, Marc Gasol, Markieff Morris

2022 - Westbrook, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Malik Monk, Ariza, Talen Horton-Tucker, Wenyen Gabriel, Kendrick Nunn

2023 - D'Angelo Russell, Jared Vanderbilt, Thomas Bryant, Max Christie, Patrick Beverly, Schroeder

2024 - Rui Hachimura, Taureen Prince, Cam Reddish, Gabe Vincent, Christian Wood, Spencer Dinwiddie


Lebron was gifted every player-type imaginable, yet he disappointed every year except the bubble, such as 2 lotteries, 2 first-round exits, and 4 straight chokes in 4th quarter to get swept in WCF (NOT an accomplishment)...

Derek Fisher called today's league "WWE" because it's no longer about competing and it's just about entertainment, such as easy rules for easy offense, load management, and GM's conspiring to get Bron another ring (shown above).

And imagine you're paying him the ultimate compliment rather than dumping on him like you assume. He got an entirely overhauled roster every year right? And took those new rosters repeatedly to the finals. It didn't matter who you suited up with him 2 things would happen.
1) that team would have chemistry in the 1st year
2) that team would play for a title.

There's no other player you could say that about in their prime.

[3ba11]

And imagine you're paying him the ultimate compliment rather than dumping on him like you assume. He got an entirely overhauled roster every year right? And took those new rosters repeatedly to the finals. It didn't matter who you suited up with him 2 things would happen.
1) that team would have chemistry in the 1st year
2) that team would play for a title.

There's no other player you could say that about in their prime.


The only player with roster overhauls can barely make playoffs:



2019 - lottery with Ingram/Kuz/Rondo

2021 - 1st Round exit with preseason favorite

2022 - lottery with super-team

2023 - swept by losing 4 straight 4th qtr leads (unprecedented)

2024 - 1st Round exit sweep

[Carbine]

What happened in 2020?

Did they do something that a third of the leagues teams haven't done in the history of their franchise?

[3ba11]

What happened in 2020?

Did they do something that a third of the leagues teams haven't done in the history of their franchise?


The only team that pulled off the historic "heist" was uniquely motivated to win the Disney title - no one else cared, and Bron was the 2nd option no less - that was AD's chip, just like 2002 is Shaq's chip, for example.

But the real point is that Lebron is 1 for 5 with a duncan-caliber teammate like AD, which isn't anywhere NEAR the best basketball that we've ever seen, aka "goat".. it's absurd...

Lebron is 1 for 5 with AD, or 3 for 7 with Big 3 from 11-17', and 0 for 3 with 1 all-star pre-decision, while MJ was 6 for 7 with 1 all-star - unbeatable the instant he got 1 all-star... MJ mostly won when he got "help", while Lebron mostly lost.. And it's a skillset thing - MJ's skillset produces similar ball movement teams to Curry's warriors, or Duncan's spurs, or jokic's nuggets, or dirk's mavs - all the teams that destroy Lebron's ball-dominant losers.

[GOBB]

It's an easy yes for me.

Age 34-39.

1 ring, 1 FMVP, 5 all-nba selections, 5 all-star selections, assists title.

Reg Season - 27/8/8 on 60 TS%, 24.8 PER, .173 WS/48, 7.4 BPM.

Playoffs - 26/10/8 on 61.5 TS%, 25.9 PER, .204 WS/48, 9.4 BPM.

Even as an old, out of prime player, Lebron STILL raises his game come playoff time :bowdown::bowdown:

Yes

Better question is where does he rank all time as a Laker? Is this enough to be over Magic? Kobe? Shaq? Kareem? West?

I mean obviously not the best laker ever so not sure why I even mentioned Magic and Kobe. But for shyts and giggles I’m curious where in the all time rankings he is