2025 Hall of Fame Class looking to be one of the weakest ever.

[L.Kizzle]

I'm not even sure who's eligible next year. With guys playing overseas and semi-pro after they retire from the league, it's kind of hard to keep up.

Amar'e Stoudemire
Marc Gasol
Joe Johnson

This might be the time guys like Marques Johnson and Kevin Johnson make it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I liked KJ. I watched him with a child's eyes but it seemed like he was just so quick he didn't need moves, he could just get to the basket off of speed. Also had one of the more impactful post-career lives.

[John8204]

I'm not even sure who's eligible next year. With guys playing overseas and semi-pro after they retire from the league, it's kind of hard to keep up.

Amar'e Stoudemire
Marc Gasol
Joe Johnson

This might be the time guys like Marques Johnson and Kevin Johnson make it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CM-IKDa8PiI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyjNJFzhsCU

I can think of two men I would love to see in the Hall

[dankok8]

Horry shouldn't be in the HOF. Never even made an all-star game. And yes I know Michael Cooper just made it and it makes zero sense to me.

I would like to see KJ make it. Laimbeer I think is just below that level plus his antics will keep him out IMO.

[pandiani17]

I love Horry (his 3 point shot against Sacramento:pimp:) but come on, he wasn't an all-star even once. I can see Laimbeer getting in, though. If Cooper made it, he can also get in, his WNBA coaching career should be a help. It seems that the Hall of Fame has got some years where it is difficult to get in and others when it is very easy. If there are not enough candidates they should induct less players, instead of filling it with players who don't make the grade.

[John8204]

Robert Horry is the only man in 50 years to have 7 playing rings...and lets be real here he earned those rings. He wasn't a passive participant in getting those titles without him those teams don't win. He was the one that made the big shots and closed out several of those series. That's much more important in my eyes than the media/fan driven All-Star selections.

[RRR3]

Robert Horry is the only man in 50 years to have 7 playing rings...and lets be real here he earned those rings. He wasn't a passive participant in getting those titles without him those teams don't win. He was the one that made the big shots and closed out several of those series. That's much more important in my eyes than the media/fan driven All-Star selections.
You said John Stockton was better than Shaq, so I think it's safe to say your opinion on the matter is dubious at best.

[Carbine]

The prescident was set when Cooper got in as a great role player. Horry is at least as good in that role.

We don't have to like it, but we have to be consistent - Horry is a HOF'er under these guidelines.

[Xiao Yao You]

The prescident was set when Cooper got in as a great role player. Horry is at least as good in that role.

We don't have to like it, but we have to be consistent - Horry is a HOF'er under these guidelines.

Debatable. Cooper showed up all season. Horry showed up after the all star break

[999Guy]

They should really just pause the damn thing some years.

[L.Kizzle]

The prescident was set when Cooper got in as a great role player. Horry is at least as good in that role.

We don't have to like it, but we have to be consistent - Horry is a HOF'er under these guidelines.

He's actually not. At least Cooper was 8x All-Defense and won the award. Horry has like 3 shots. Other than that ... crickets.

[999Guy]

He's actually not. At least Cooper was 8x All-Defense and won the award. Horry has like 3 shots. Other than that ... crickets.

What's funny is Horry was almost certainly a better defender. Horry was a freak athlete. Moved like a wing, but was vertically a big man when you see his standing reach. Springy as hell too. Horry was definitely a better defender than Pippen year in and out. Way less down years.

[tpols]

I love Horry (his 3 point shot against Sacramento:pimp:) but come on, he wasn't an all-star even once. I can see Laimbeer getting in, though. If Cooper made it, he can also get in, his WNBA coaching career should be a help. It seems that the Hall of Fame has got some years where it is difficult to get in and others when it is very easy. If there are not enough candidates they should induct less players, instead of filling it with players who don't make the grade.


Horry is better than a ton of guys who've made All Star teams if your goal is winning championships. Which is the ultimate goal.

I would take Robert Horry and his contract over some literal NBA MVPs like Westbrook and Derrick Rose. There's a lot of accolade decorated players in the NBA that aren't as conducive to team ball and winning as he was.

The clutch gene too was just ridiculous. He was taking over and hitting big shots in the playoff championship moments. Role players usually gets jitters on the pressure but Horry somehow thrived under the gun.

[Carbine]

He's actually not. At least Cooper was 8x All-Defense and won the award. Horry has like 3 shots. Other than that ... crickets.

If you think Horrys career is 3 shots that says more about you than you'll ever know.

[ShawkFactory]

Horry is better than a ton of guys who've made All Star teams if your goal is winning championships. Which is the ultimate goal.

I would take Robert Horry and his contract over some literal NBA MVPs like Westbrook and Derrick Rose. There's a lot of accolade decorated players in the NBA that aren't as conducive to team ball and winning as he was.

The clutch gene too was just ridiculous. He was taking over and hitting big shots in the playoff championship moments. Role players usually gets jitters on the pressure but Horry somehow thrived under the gun.

Well yea if you already had an elite team and wanted a cheap guy to plug and play sure. You certainly aren't ever building around Horry though. Those guys you mentioned are in a completely different class of player.

[tpols]

Well yea if you already had an elite team and wanted a cheap guy to plug and play sure. You certainly aren't ever building around Horry though. Those guys you mentioned are in a completely different class of player.

They're a class of player that are too great for their own (or the team's) good. Just great enough to put on a show, but not good enough to fit onto multiple different championship squads.

[L.Kizzle]

Horry is better than a ton of guys who've made All Star teams if your goal is winning championships. Which is the ultimate goal.

I would take Robert Horry and his contract over some literal NBA MVPs like Westbrook and Derrick Rose. There's a lot of accolade decorated players in the NBA that aren't as conducive to team ball and winning as he was.

The clutch gene too was just ridiculous. He was taking over and hitting big shots in the playoff championship moments. Role players usually gets jitters on the pressure but Horry somehow thrived under the gun.
Horry is not better than one person who's been an All-Star. A player like Cliff Robinson was only an All-Star once and he's eons better.
Is he even better than Armon Gilliam or Chirs Morris.

[L.Kizzle]

If you think Horrys career is 3 shots that says more about you than you'll ever know.

Actually, 4 shots but none of those plays were even drawn up for him. Talk about the ultimate right place at the right time player.

[ShawkFactory]

They're a class of player that are too great for their own (or the team's) good. Just great enough to put on a show, but not good enough to fit onto multiple different championship squads.

And that's fair that you wouldn't want them as your #1 or #2 on a great team.

You started our post with "Horry is better than.." which is where the line is drawn. "Rather have as a role player on my championship-level team" and "better than" are different things.

Horry was a role player. A damn good one, sure. And early in his career maybe even slightly more. But you can't compare literal role players and superstar level players like that.

[tpols]

Horry is not better than one person who's been an All-Star. A player like Cliff Robinson was only an All-Star once and he's eons better.
Is he even better than Armon Gilliam or Chirs Morris.

I disagree.

You can't tell me with a straight face you'd take Mo Williams over prime Robert Horry.

He just wasnt a media guy or flashy player. Purely effective and timely when it mattered though.

[Carbine]

I wouldn't want Russell on my team either. It's incredibly difficult, borderline impossible to win with him as a #1 or #2 guy. He has too much ego to be a #3 and his skill set is poor playing off superstars if we are being honest.

I'd rather have Horry. I would know I have a dynasty caliber #3/#4 guy and hope I get lucky getting the #1 and #2 guys than have no championship caliber #1, #2 or #3 with Westbrook. He has one of the lowest basketball IQs I've ever witnessed at the NBA level.

[SouBeachTalents]

Horry is not better than one person who's been an All-Star. A player like Cliff Robinson was only an All-Star once and he's eons better.
Is he even better than Armon Gilliam or Chirs Morris.
That’s like saying Lamar Odom isn’t better than Jamal Magloire because the latter made a joke all-star appearance, just an asinine take.

[L.Kizzle]

I disagree.

You can't tell me with a straight face you'd take Mo Williams over prime Robert Horry.

He just wasnt a media guy or flashy player. Purely effective and timely when it mattered though.

Robert Horry didn't have a prime lol. His best year is 12/6/4. Mo was 17/5/6 and had similar numbers for multiple years. Horry played 16 seasons and avg under 10 points in 13 of them. My PF has only avg over 7 rebounds once.

[L.Kizzle]

That’s like saying Lamar Odom isn’t better than Jamal Magloire because the latter made a joke all-star appearance, just an asinine take.

Well obviously there are special cases like him or Ron Harper and the sorts. But, yes Horry is not better than 99.9 All-Stars.
PS. Magloire All-Star season was 14/10. Number Horry never even sniffed.

[Xiao Yao You]

Well obviously there are special cases like him or Ron Harper and the sorts. But, yes Horry is not better than 99.9 All-Stars.
PS. Magloire All-Star season was 14/10. Number Horry never even sniffed.

I thought Magloire deserved it at the time. Despite his rings horry isnt a guy i would have loved on my team since he didnt show up until after the all star break

[Real Men Wear Green]

If the HoF voters support Horry as a special case for all of his clutch shots I have no problem with that, it doesnt just have to be about figuring out who the best players are. But the idea that he is better than players that were actually better than him because he had a role on a champion is silliness. Payton Pritchard might be the best buzzer-beater in the NBA. If the Celtics didn't have him there are two big momentum baskets in the Finals they wouldn't have gotten. If Brandon Ingram was on the Celtics he might average 15 minutes of the bench backing up the two best players on the team and would be the worst defender in the rotation. Because the Celtics have more use for Pritchard than Ingram does that prove that Pritchard is a better player than Ingram?

Well, he is, but that's beside the point. Every player with a role on a champ team isn't better than every player that doesn't win. You have to be able to think critically about what players are capable of doing, their value in a vacuum. If you put Horry on last year's Hornets do they won any more games? Is he a floor raiser? How many teams find him more useful than the player you're comparing him to? Take the second best player out that championship team, could Horry replace them? Just how high are you going to rate someone that never averaged over 12 points or made the all defensive team?

Come on.

Pritchard>Ingram.

[3ba11]

American players have declined over the last 20 years, and now that the NBA format is a beginner format, there's no more MJ's, Lebron's, Durant's, Curry's or Kobe's being produced because those guys grew up in a more real format that produced better hoops skills, fundamentals and instinct.... Otoh, today's beginner format produces watered down, weaker versions like Ant, Trae, etc.

[John8204]

You said John Stockton was better than Shaq, so I think it's safe to say your opinion on the matter is dubious at best.

Yup...8-1 against Shaq head to head in the playoffs, #7 in Win Shares to Shaq's #13, 8# in plus/Minus to Shaq'a #22, #3 in VORP to Shaq's 18. Stockton also didn't have all the iffy playoff series calls Shaq had. I understand why people like Shaq...I started watching basketball his rookie year. If Shaq had the work ethic of a Stockton he would be the goat but he didn't the man loved cheeseburgers more than defense. With that said this isn't about Stockton...it's about Big Shot Bob.

And more importantly when Hakeem, Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan defer to you to win the game...you belong in the Hall. Mariano Rivera is the Hall of fame in Baseball for being a closer...why not baskeball's greatest closer Bob

[Carbine]

If the HoF voters support Horry as a special case for all of his clutch shots I have no problem with that, it doesnt just have to be about figuring out who the best players are. But the idea that he is better than players that were actually better than him because he had a role on a champion is silliness. Payton Pritchard might be the best buzzer-beater in the NBA. If the Celtics didn't have him there are two big momentum baskets in the Finals they wouldn't have gotten. If Brandon Ingram was on the Celtics he might average 15 minutes of the bench backing up the two best players on the team and would be the worst defender in the rotation. Because the Celtics have more use for Pritchard than Ingram does that prove that Pritchard is a better player than Ingram?

Well, he is, but that's beside the point. Every player with a role on a champ team isn't better than every player that doesn't win. You have to be able to think critically about what players are capable of doing, their value in a vacuum. If you put Horry on last year's Hornets do they won any more games? Is he a floor raiser? How many teams find him more useful than the player you're comparing him to? Take the second best player out that championship team, could Horry replace them? Just how high are you going to rate someone that never averaged over 12 points or made the all defensive team?

Come on.

Pritchard>Ingram.

Role players like Horry are not floor raisers but they are ceiling raisers. They are often the difference between winning and losing. The Celtics weren't champions because of Tatum, they won in large part because the #3 and #4 guys and #5 guys were much better than the opposing teams.

Pritchard was a guy who barely if ever saw the floor in high leverage situations. Horry, on the other hands has been counted on in all those high leverage situations. At times out playing Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe and Duncan in critical quarters or halves of playoff games. I feel comfortable saying we don't win in 05 without Robert Horry and not just because of the game winner.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Role players like Horry are not floor raisers but they are ceiling raisers. They are often the difference between winning and losing. The Celtics weren't champions because of Tatum, they won in large part because the #3 and #4 guys and #5 guys were much better than the opposing teams. He lead the team in points, rebounds, and assists. The #3 guy missed 63% of the postseason. They won the East without him. Your opinion here is asinine. The Celtics certainly won because they have a great team overall but disregarding the importance of the star players will always be stupid.


Pritchard was a guy who barely if ever saw the floor in high leverage situations. Horry, on the other hands has been counted on in all those high leverage situations. At times out playing Hakeem, Shaq, Kobe and Duncan in critical quarters or halves of playoff games. I feel comfortable saying we don't win in 05 without Robert Horry and not just because of the game winner. He hit some big shots. Outplayed Kobe, Shaq, Olajuwon? You're out of your mind.

[999Guy]

American players have declined over the last 20 years, and now that the NBA format is a beginner format, there's no more MJ's, Lebron's, Durant's, Curry's or Kobe's being produced because those guys grew up in a more real format that produced better hoops skills, fundamentals and instinct.... Otoh, today's beginner format produces watered down, weaker versions like Ant, Trae, etc.

Might be right tbh. Only dominant American players from here on will be really clever or smart ones who can instinctively or consciously play a complete fundamental style.

Kawhi/Harden might be the last generational offensive Americans for a good bit. Although I will say, I think the bigs are not getting the downside of this AAU era to the same degree.

[999Guy]

Horry is better than a ton of guys who've made All Star teams if your goal is winning championships. Which is the ultimate goal.

I would take Robert Horry and his contract over some literal NBA MVPs like Westbrook and Derrick Rose. There's a lot of accolade decorated players in the NBA that aren't as conducive to team ball and winning as he was.

The clutch gene too was just ridiculous. He was taking over and hitting big shots in the playoff championship moments. Role players usually gets jitters on the pressure but Horry somehow thrived under the gun.

Russell Westbrook is a couple steps too far. Westbrook in his prime had tons of substance to his game. Tons of nonsense too but his athleticism and passing vision gave him a lot of dominant basketball stretches.

Horry was good on both ends. Good next to a lot of dominant players. Was smart, and then clutch to top it off.

You literally can't find a better stretch 4 in the past 40 years. 40 years of ball and the only superior stretch 4's would be superstars. But I will say, there's no way KD played better D than Robert Horry.