Why does AD have better PPG, RPG, BPG, PER, WS/48, VORP and BPM than Duncan?

[3ba11]

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Imagine having a teammate that's better than Duncan but missing the play-in.

Imagine having a teammate that's better than Duncan but being Jokic's yearly b*tch.

You guys fell for the biggest fraud in sports history - a simpleton ball-dominator skillset that imposes spot-up roles, weak chemistry and perennial losers with every cast (not capable of producing great teams).

[DJMcDonald]

It's gonna be okay.

[ArbitraryWater]

Why?

You mean even though he is worse?

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron has all of those over Kobe.

[Full Court]

AD is not better than Duncan. However, he's a clear top five player in the league, and there's absolutely no excuse for a first round playoff exit with healthy AD as your second option.....unless you're a net negative.

[3ba11]

LeBron has all of those over Kobe.


Yes, and Kobe is still better - that's the point of this thread.... Kobe > Lebron for the same reasons Duncan > AD, specified below:

(toughness, winner mentality, leadership, superior fundamentals, aka quicker "go-to" moves like unstoppable jump-hook and turnaround J - there's less ambiguity upon the catch for Duncan than AD.... superior hoops instinct and IQ... quicker-on-the-catch, superior brand of ball, chemistry... superior clutch)

[tpols]

AD has a higher offensive ceiling than Tim Duncan. He averaged 30+/10+ in the playoffs with a bum franchise before ever joining the Lakers. With tremendous efficiency.

Where Duncan has him beat is intangibles, leadership and toughness.

[StrongLurk]

Why don't mods ban OP? He says AD is better than Duncan in his first post and then his very next post says Duncan is better than AD.

He's just a butthurt troll.

[StrongLurk]

LeBron has all of those over Kobe.

You literally made OP immediately backtrack the actual original premise of his thread with this simple post. OP is such a ****ing loser it's actually sad.

[ShawkFactory]

Yes, and Kobe is still better - that's the point of this thread.... Kobe > Lebron for the same reasons Duncan > AD, specified below:

(toughness, winner mentality, leadership, superior fundamentals, aka quicker "go-to" moves like unstoppable jump-hook and turnaround J - there's less ambiguity upon the catch for Duncan than AD.... superior hoops instinct and IQ... quicker-on-the-catch, superior brand of ball, chemistry... superior clutch)

2014 called, it wants its “gotcha” moments back.

[Manny98]

You literally made OP immediately backtrack the actual original premise of his thread with this simple post. OP is such a ****ing loser it's actually sad.

:oldlol:

[Phoenix]

LeBron has all of those over Kobe.

Lol I was thinking the exact same thing the moment I read the OP. 3balls arguments require like a millisecond of thought to counter.

[SouBeachTalents]

You literally made OP immediately backtrack the actual original premise of his thread with this simple post. OP is such a ****ing loser it's actually sad.


Lol I was thinking the exact same thing the moment I read the OP. 3balls arguments require like a millisecond of thought to counter.
I’ve said it before, it’s like playing your little nephew in a video game, it’s so unchallenging it’s not even fun. He bent the knee and gave up the charade immediately :lol

[ShawkFactory]

I’ve said it before, it’s like playing your little nephew in a video game, it’s so unchallenging it’s not even fun. He bent the knee and gave up the charade immediately :lol

The entire purpose of him making this thread was so someone would give that counterargument, so that he could then say "see PER and all this shit DOESN'T matter".

[RRR3]

The entire purpose of him making this thread was so someone would give that counterargument, so that he could then say "see PER and all this shit DOESN'T matter".
But he's spent over a decade arguing MJ is better than LeBron because of those stats.

[ralph_i_el]

Duncan has higher rebounds per/100 possessions. If you take out his last year, he has a higher career ws/48.

Duncan has more blocks per/100 possessions.

Duncan led the league in defensive win shares 5 times, offensive win shares 1 time, and total win shares 2 times. AD has never led the league in any of those categories.

Duncan has 5 seasons with a higher On-Off +/- than AD's highest season.


So I guess the answer to your question is, PACE.

[ralph_i_el]

AD has a higher offensive ceiling than Tim Duncan. He averaged 30+/10+ in the playoffs with a bum franchise before ever joining the Lakers. With tremendous efficiency.

Where Duncan has him beat is intangibles, leadership and toughness.

You aren't accounting for pace though. 2003 Duncan numbers are wild when you realize they were only averaging like 104 ppg as a team due to pace.

Like, Duncan had a 34-24-6 game with 6 blocks, and they won 96-83.

[dankok8]

Surprised no one mentioned it but Duncan also played close to another decade after his prime. If AD plays till he's 40 then we'll see.

[goozeman]

Lebron's heliocentric brand has slowly evolved to transform Davis into a slightly upgraded version of Brandon Ingram in terms of impact -- they guy they traded to get Davis along with the rest of the Lakers. Davis was supposed to be the greatest veteran big man acquisition since Shaq. The Lakers should have built around AD from day one. You look at the stats and they are just eye popping. Davis last year 25pts/13reb/3.5ast/2.5blk/.58 2p% per 36. The year before that 28pts/13reb/2.5ast/2.5blk/.58 2p%. Davis as a finisher from two is right there with Jokic and Giannis as amongst the best in the league. Anthony Davis is a very similar caliber of a player to Duncan, but the Lakers can barely make the playoffs and when do make it they get swept. Davis's career is going to go down as one of the most wasted in NBA history for a franchise piece. This guy could have been a top 20 or 30 player all-time, but now he's just going to be remembered as just another Lebron big man after thought like Bosh and Love.

[Hey Yo]

Lebron's heliocentric brand has slowly evolved to transform Davis into a slightly upgraded version of Brandon Ingram in terms of impact -- they guy they traded to get Davis along with the rest of the Lakers. Davis was supposed to be the greatest veteran big man acquisition since Shaq. The Lakers should have built around AD from day one. You look at the stats and they are just eye popping. Davis last year 25pts/13reb/3.5ast/2.5blk/.58 2p% per 36. The year before that 28pts/13reb/2.5ast/2.5blk/.58 2p%. Davis as a finisher from two is right there with Jokic and Giannis as amongst the best in the league. Anthony Davis is a very similar caliber of a player to Duncan, but the Lakers can barely make the playoffs and when do make it they get swept. Davis's career is going to go down as one of the most wasted in NBA history for a franchise piece. This guy could have been a top 20 or 30 player all-time, but now he's just going to be remembered as just another Lebron big man after thought like Bosh and Love..
So much for James making his teammates worse.

[goozeman]

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So much for James making his teammates worse.

Davis's floor is just really high. 30+/15/5 if not standing around in pretend offense designed to pad stats.

[SouBeachTalents]

Davis's floor is just really high. 30+/15/5 if not standing around in pretend offense designed to pad stats.
AD has literally never averaged those numbers, not even for a playoff series. You genuinely have no idea what you’re talking about.

[goozeman]

Davis's floor is just really high. 30+/15/5 if not standing around in pretend offense designed to pad stats.

Nah, you are just being low effort and reactionary looking at counting stats without modeling them out based upon Davis's potential career arc. Davis is 30-years-old, bro. Not almost 50 like Lebron. Back-to-back seasons at age 23 and 24 average 28ppg/11reb and lead the league in blocks 3 out of the first 6 years. Trending all-time great impact on both ends of the court and advanced stats were projecting him to be the best player in the league and can't miss generational talent. There is reason Boston and the Lakers were trying to trade their whole teams and 3 first round picks to get him. Projecting out his production where he is allowed to be a true number one, he probably could have and should have peaked in the right system somewhere around 30+ppg or at a similar level to MVP level Giannis. This is why I say his floor is just really high. Per 36 still has him averaging about 25ppg last year and 27ppg in 2023 and that's despite the fact that the Lakers are running the franchise at this point basically to let Lebron do whatever he wants to stat pad and chase legacy numbers. Unfortunately, teaming up with Lebron turns bigs into literal turds and ruins their legacies aka Bosh and Love.