Think about the gap in intelligence from humans to the next smartest animal

[Patrick Chewing]

Does anyone else wonder about this? And yes, this is ultimately a thread pointing out Creationism, so feel free to debunk or agree to everything you will read from here on if you wish.

The next smartest animals on Earth are Chimps, Elephants, Dolphins, Crows, Octopuses, and Pigs.


But none of these other animals have the ability to read, write, fly a plane, drive, etc. Sure, there are certain exceptions where we have seen videos of chimps driving a golf cart or a crow being able to solve a complex problem in order to retrieve a meal. But if we expand it a bit further, humans have the capability to create things such as build computers, submarines, airplanes, and yes, even A.I. But again, it goes beyond creating something physical. Humans have the ability to think and to reflect and to ponder and to wonder and to desire and to yearn. Do other animals even know that they exist on Earth? Are they self-aware? Maybe a few do. But humans know that they exist. And humans have the ability to ponder their own existence within the cosmos and ponder about a Creator and establish a system of Faith based on the belief of a Creator. How can this be though? How can humans be so far advanced in this very sense compared to the next smartest animal on Earth? It's easy to chalk it up to "Evolution" and turn the page, but there has to be empirical evidence that explains how we became this intelligent in the first place. And there just isn't. If you are a believer in Evolution, and it's fine that you are, there is a huge gap in human evolution that is obviously missing then. Bigger than huge. An enormous gap.

Can you imagine being able to communicate with the next smartest animal via futuristic technology and explain to them the creation of the Atomic Bomb? Or the internet? Or the ability to harness electricity in order to power our homes, heat our water, and cook our food? They would look at us as Gods and they wouldn't be able to fathom how humans had the ability to do so much. What makes our brain different? Elephants have larger brains obviously. Our brains are relatively small compared to the rest of the animal kingdom, so what is the difference?

Forget about God and religion or whatever you believe in or don't believe in. Take a step back for a moment and just think of that gap. How is this even possible? How is this possible unless for the slightest degree of influence from something outside the realm of what we can imagine or begin to understand. What say you guys?

[tpols]

Whales and Elephants have much bigger brains than us monkeys / primates.

The big differentiator is our hands and thumbs which allow building things.

[Patrick Chewing]

Whales and Elephants have much bigger brains than us monkeys / primates.

The big differentiator is our hands and thumbs which allow building things.

Primo, did you read the whole thing? It's understood that whales and elephants have bigger brains. That's the point. Regardless if a whale or an elephant have thumbs or not, they are not walking out of the ocean or out of the Sahara and building a skyscraper or playing chess. If having thumbs is all it took for the animal kingdom to be equal to humans, then humans would have become extinct a long time ago. Or we'd be the ones in zoos at least.

[ShawkFactory]

I think you downplay the physical advantages a little bit in this conversation. We have fairly formidable size mixed with an unmatched limberness combined with fine-point dexterity. Which, you can argue that the coordination there is a product of intelligence but other animals have abilities to move in coordinated ways that we can't. Ours is just important for creating things.

So once you have that baseline coordination that is conducive for creation then the natural evolution is going to lead more and more heavily in that direction. Dolphins don't have that but are capable of things we can hardly conceive of, but in a completely different way.

[tpols]

Primo, did you read the whole thing? It's understood that whales and elephants have bigger brains. That's the point. Regardless if a whale or an elephant have thumbs or not, they are not walking out of the ocean or out of the Sahara and building a skyscraper or playing chess. If having thumbs is all it took for the animal kingdom to be equal to humans, then humans would have become extinct a long time ago. Or we'd be the ones in zoos at least.

Thumbs literally allow everything you just referenced tio. You can't build a skyscraper or play chess with fins or big clunky elephant feet. Elephants are known to use their trunks how we use our hands but they're still not dexterous enough by comparison.

It's not just about thumbs and hands. It's about thumbs, hands and brain trio that give humans their physical creation ability to a crazy degree. It's a triangulation.

As far as cognitive mental processing raw brain power? I wouldnt doubt for a second whales, elephants, and many other big animals are just as sentient if not more than the average human being.

[Patrick Chewing]

Help me understand you guys a bit better here. Are you guys saying that what actually separates us is just a few physical attributes? That in terms of brain power, we are virtually the same?

I just can't imagine that the animal kingdom is self-aware or can form thoughts and patterns and belief systems. While whales and dolphins and bats and all sorts of animals communicate in ways that we still don't understand, I think there is still a huge gap in intelligence.

For example, and this might happen sooner than we think. One day, we'll create something that will allow us to communicate with the animal world in conversation, but I would imagine that anything that is communicated back to us from the animal world would be just rudimentary simplistic words.

[JohnnySic]

When humans evolved to walk upright, freeing the forelimbs from the task of body support, the evolutionary emphasis switched to mental rather than physical development.

In the wild, physical development was far more crucial.

[ShawkFactory]

Help me understand you guys a bit better here. Are you guys saying that what actually separates us is just a few physical attributes? That in terms of brain power, we are virtually the same?

I just can't imagine that the animal kingdom is self-aware or can form thoughts and patterns and belief systems. While whales and dolphins and bats and all sorts of animals communicate in ways that we still don't understand, I think there is still a huge gap in intelligence.

For example, and this might happen sooner than we think. One day, we'll create something that will allow us to communicate with the animal world in conversation, but I would imagine that anything that is communicated back to us from the animal world would be just rudimentary simplistic words.

You conception of intelligence here is specifically human related. Words are created by humans. So are belief systems.

Of course they aren't going to have this same outlook and line of thinking as we do. We made it up and we have the mouth and tongue movements that suit our specific comumunication. No animal will ever be able to speak it, and as such don't think in these terms.

[Bill Gates]

Whales and Elephants have much bigger brains than us monkeys / primates.

The big differentiator is our hands and thumbs which allow building things.

Brain size =/= Brain function :facepalm

[Bill Gates]

There are 8 stages of consciousness. Humans are level 3 with some being level 4. Our entire species is in the process of transitioning to 4.

Single Cell = stage 1
God = stage 8

There are many lifeforms out there in this universe that make us look like ants.

[tpols]

Help me understand you guys a bit better here. Are you guys saying that what actually separates us is just a few physical attributes? That in terms of brain power, we are virtually the same?

I just can't imagine that the animal kingdom is self-aware or can form thoughts and patterns and belief systems. While whales and dolphins and bats and all sorts of animals communicate in ways that we still don't understand, I think there is still a huge gap in intelligence.

For example, and this might happen sooner than we think. One day, we'll create something that will allow us to communicate with the animal world in conversation, but I would imagine that anything that is communicated back to us from the animal world would be just rudimentary simplistic words.

You don't think other mammals with massive brains have the ability to produce... thoughts?

This shows a massive underappreciation for the very thing you have that they also have that allowed you to create this thread. A brain. With an abundance of cells and neurological connections the same thing we have.

Tio you realize we have all the same organs other animals have and that we've literally transplanted pig organs into people to save their lives.

Were not that different from them. You aren't that special.

[Patrick Chewing]

You conception of intelligence here is specifically human related. Words are created by humans. So are belief systems.

Of course they aren't going to have this same outlook and line of thinking as we do. We made it up and we have the mouth and tongue movements that suit our specific comumunication. No animal will ever be able to speak it, and as such don't think in these terms.

But if words and belief systems are created by the human brain, doesn't that put us supremely far ahead of the next smartest animal in the animal kingdom? If I'm to understand you correctly, you are implying that there really is no gap in intelligence, just a difference in what our physical capabilities can allow? And it is because of these physical capabilities that we are at the level of intelligence that we are at today?

I think my point was also about what the human brain can create than the animal world cannot. Humanity created language, mathematics, reading, writing, etc. What has the animal world created other than a hierarchy within the animal kingdom of survival of the fittest?

And this is not meant to be a silly question, but why can't our dogs speak English to us like Brian does on Family Guy?

[tpols]

There are many lifeforms out there in this universe that make us look like ants.

This is very true. Humans call them gods or demons based on how they're affected but they're just leveled up life / awareness like a human to a fly would be.

[ShawkFactory]

But if words and belief systems are created by the human brain, doesn't that put us supremely far ahead of the next smartest animal in the animal kingdom? If I'm to understand you correctly, you are implying that there really is no gap in intelligence, just a difference in what our physical capabilities can allow? And it is because of these physical capabilities that we are at the level of intelligence that we are at today?

I think my point was also about what the human brain can create than the animal world cannot. Humanity created language, mathematics, reading, writing, etc. What has the animal world created other than a hierarchy within the animal kingdom of survival of the fittest?

And this is not meant to be a silly question, but why can't our dogs speak English to us like Brian does on Family Guy?

Humanity created human language. That seems to be the disconnect we have here.

Everything you're describing are things we've made for ourselves that aren't important for other species to have.

[Patrick Chewing]

You don't think other mammals with massive brains have the ability to produce... thoughts?

This shows a massive underappreciation for the very thing you have that they also have that allowed you to create this thread. A brain. With an abundance of cells and neurological connections the same thing we have.

Tio you realize we have all the same organs other animals have and that we've literally transplanted pig organs into people to save their lives.

Were not that different from them. You aren't that special.

This is a very confusing response by you. I'm very sure that animals can produce thoughts, but at such a rudimentary level and these are thoughts that probably last a few seconds at least. Humanity created philosophy. We can think of anything and everything and put those thoughts into actions. We can think up a fictional story and put that into writing and then make a movie out of it. No animal brain is doing that. This may sound stupid, but we can think of music and create music and I still don't know how that shit happens. How does music get imprinted onto a vinyl record? A human brain was smart enough to figure that out.


Tio you realize we have all the same organs other animals have and that we've literally transplanted pig organs into people to save their lives.

Umm you do realize this makes us vastly superior to any other living thing, right? The fact that we can perform such feats? So yes, we are vastly different than them. We are unique. We are special. That was an odd example by you my friend.

[Patrick Chewing]

Humanity created human language. That seems to be the disconnect we have here.

Everything you're describing are things we've made for ourselves that aren't important for other species to have.

And the ability to create language sets us apart don't you think? The ability to continue to create different languages sets apart don't you think? The fact that you and I are typing a message on a computer screen is a form of language. The ability to know that we are speaking a certain language sets us apart don't you think? So for example, whales speak a certain language to other whales, but that's it. Whales are born with the ability to speak the language. Humans have to be taught. Also, whales are not aware that humans speak a different language, whereas we are aware that the animal kingdom communicates in their own way. Our powers of observation and the ability to process and study things is vastly superior just for that simple fact that we know that different species communicate differently.

[Neal Romer]

I think theres room enough in philosophy to consider the ideas of both scientific evolution and creationism. So Im not pushing one over the other here.

I will say that it's not uncommon for a feature to become extreme and unique. If something is useful in a particular environment it tends to get maximized and then wipe out any competitors with similar features who would be competing for that role. For instance there are no animals who are a "close second" to giraffes in height. They stand alone. Theres no close second to elephants in overall mass. No big cats are close to cheetas in speed. These animals are tiers above the next in these particular traits.

A close second is usually going to be competing for a similar role and therefore they just lose and die out, similar to Neanderthals and other early hominids ultimately replaced by homosapiens. Thats why life is so diverse really. Things are constantly merging or diverging. Things that are a little bit similar dont just remain that way in a static position. They fuse or they split. 20,000 years ago humans were more similar to chimps than we are now, and in 500 years we'll be even more different. Chimps didnt really get a chance to evolve a second time because once we dominated, they couldnt spread into areas we already were and investigate and invent and grow because we boxed them into a narrow environment. If we ever leave the planet permanently, chimps would almost certainly evolve into humans once again.

That said, how life came to be on this planet in the first place I believe is a question that lends itself well to creationism. Theres still no evidentiary scientific theory of how to produce life from nothing, despite all our technology and attempts to try.

[jstern]

Orcas are extremely smart. The part of the brains that deals with emotions is much larger in an orca, in terms of ratio, than a human. Communication is extremely important for their survival, they have their own language and dialects. So if you take one orca and place them in a different pod, they're going to have problems, and would have to learn a new language.

Also, just like there are Asian, Black, etc, there are different types of Orcas, from completely different regions, and they're just not going to understand each other.


https://youtu.be/Mj1t0lp4llI

They also recently started hunting great white sharks. They learned to turn them over, which paralyzes the shark, and then they eat its liver.


Whales and Elephants have much bigger brains than us monkeys / primates.

The big differentiator is our hands and thumbs which allow building things.

Animal/human intelligence is based on brain to body ratio, encephalization quotient. This makes sense because if intelligence was simply based on brain size, then taller people would be the smartest, and women would be noticeably dumber. You're 6'5" right? or is it 6'4"?

Humans have the highest EQ at around 7.5, followed by dolphins at around 4.5. I don't consider Elephants to be anywhere near as smart as humans, though much smarter than many animals, and their EQ is around 2.

Crows are very smart.

[tpols]

Orcas are extremely smart. The part of the brains that deals with emotions is much larger in an orca, in terms of ratio, than a human. Communication is extremely important for their survival, they have their own language and dialects. So if you take one orca and place them in a different pod, they're going to have problems, and would have to learn a new language.

Also, just like there are Asian, Black, etc, there are different types of Orcas, from completely different regions, and they're just not going to understand each other.


https://youtu.be/Mj1t0lp4llI

They also recently started hunting great white sharks. They learned to turn them over, which paralyzes the shark, and then they eat its liver.



Animal/human intelligence is based on brain to body ratio, encephalization quotient. This makes sense because if intelligence was simply based on brain size, then taller people would be the smartest, and women would be noticeably dumber. You're 6'5" right? or is it 6'4"?

Humans have the highest EQ at around 7.5, followed by dolphins at around 4.5. I don't consider Elephants to be anywhere near as smart as humans, though much smarter than many animals, and their EQ is around 2.

Crows are very smart.


Yea I've heard that, but it doesn't make sense to me. How does having a bigger body attached to your brain make your brain any more or less cognitively capable?

If I were to shrink myself down to 5'5 but my brain stayed the exact same as it is now, that would mean my brain:body size ratio would increase by a lot... but would that make my brains capabilities any stronger? Because I have longer and bigger arms / legs / torso? Doesn't make sense to me.

[ArbitraryWater]

Primo, did you read the whole thing? It's understood that whales and elephants have bigger brains. That's the point. Regardless if a whale or an elephant have thumbs or not, they are not walking out of the ocean or out of the Sahara and building a skyscraper or playing chess. If having thumbs is all it took for the animal kingdom to be equal to humans, then humans would have become extinct a long time ago. Or we'd be the ones in zoos at least.


How do you know?

Staying in the water is the smartest thing they can do.

[ShawkFactory]

Yea I've heard that, but it doesn't make sense to me. How does having a bigger body attached to your brain make your brain any more or less cognitively capable?

If I were to shrink myself down to 5'5 but my brain stayed the exact same as it is now, that would mean my brain:body size ratio would increase by a lot... but would that make my brains capabilities any stronger? Because I have longer and bigger arms / legs / torso? Doesn't make sense to me.

Haven’t done the research myself but I would imagine it would have to do with overall neurological surface area.

Aside from extreme outliers I think the difference in intelligence between humans is borderline negligible when discussing it across species. So yea if you changed your physical makeup while keeping your brain the same it may make slight differences in your cognition but it would likely be borderline imperceptible in the grand scheme of things.

[CeltsGarlic]

Bro how can you be a human supremacist. Thats like the lowest hanging fruit ever

[jstern]

Yea I've heard that, but it doesn't make sense to me. How does having a bigger body attached to your brain make your brain any more or less cognitively capable?

If I were to shrink myself down to 5'5 but my brain stayed the exact same as it is now, that would mean my brain:body size ratio would increase by a lot... but would that make my brains capabilities any stronger? Because I have longer and bigger arms / legs / torso? Doesn't make sense to me.

I think about this all the time. For example, somebody like Axe has a huge surface area, with nerve endings. Yet if they lose or gain weight, their intelligence doesn't change.

And then you have short people who have leg lengthening surgery, by breaking the bones and having then heal at a longer length. The leg muscle literally grows longer, yet I don't think it affects a person's intelligence.

But that's the basic observation, the larger the brain relative to body size, the smarter the species. That's the reality, else a T-Rex would be smarter than a human. It would be pretty obvious if brain size alone determined intelligence.

My guess is that the extra brain cells are tied to the extra body cells.

Smallest woman in the world, her brain is very tiny, but her intelligence is that of a normal adult.


https://youtu.be/ze5DJQi3uS8

[Axe]

Op's autistic butt buddy really can't help but bring me up. Always. :facepalm

Like what i keep on saying to him, rent free. Loser.

[Off the Court]

Whales and Elephants have much bigger brains than us monkeys / primates.

The big differentiator is our hands and thumbs which allow building things.

So your take is that Elephants and Whales are smarter than humans, but since we have thumbs we are able to do shit?

:roll:

Jesus Christ

[Lakers Legend#32]

Only poorly educated, bible barfers believe in creationism.

Hi Poopsie.

[Patrick Chewing]

So your take is that Elephants and Whales are smarter than humans, but since we have thumbs we are able to do shit?

:roll:

Jesus Christ

You see partner, you and I aren’t that dissimilar. You just vote dumb.

[Chick Stern]

To believe in creationism is to ignore all of the evidence

[jstern]

Op's autistic butt buddy really can't help but bring me up. Always. :facepalm

Like what i keep on saying to him, rent free. Loser.

Why are you always so angry? Why can't you just give your opinion about what's being discussed?

[Axe]

:blah

You have brain damage and derangement syndrome.

[highwhey]

Why are you always so angry? Why can't you just give your opinion about what's being discussed?

to be fair, your entire account is built to irritate people. it would be funny if it was used sparingly, but you use it pretty much every day and are obsessed with certain posters here. it's actually quite sad and strange how obsessed you have become, i'm sure that was not your initial goal but here we are.

[Neal Romer]

Yea I've heard that, but it doesn't make sense to me. How does having a bigger body attached to your brain make your brain any more or less cognitively capable?

If I were to shrink myself down to 5'5 but my brain stayed the exact same as it is now, that would mean my brain:body size ratio would increase by a lot... but would that make my brains capabilities any stronger? Because I have longer and bigger arms / legs / torso? Doesn't make sense to me.


I dont know the answer for sure, but I would give this supposition:

The brain can only process so much information for whatever size it is. So if youve got a small brain that has to respond to pain receptors and inflammation responses and involuntary actions like breathing and so on, theres just less remaining cell mass to direct toward cognitive function.

The greater amount of complexity, the greater need for brain function. Actually, this will be a limiting factor for humans if we spread out into the solar system and continue to multiply. It's hard enough for most people to think about all the different global affairs on earth, which is why most people tune them out and mainly the elites manage and control them. Now imagine four different earths all with their own specific web of international politics. How does any human actually keep track of current events among all that data?? We likely wont be aboe to evolve biologically to keep up and will increasingly rely more on artificial brains. Which will be dangerous because we wont he able to understand all the data theyre processing, we'll have to blindly trust it.

[highwhey]

I dont know the answer for sure, but I would give this supposition:

The brain can only process so much information for whatever size it is. So if youve got a small brain that has to respond to pain receptors and inflammation responses and involuntary actions like breathing and so on, theres just less remaining cell mass to direct toward cognitive function.

The greater amount of complexity, the greater need for brain function. Actually, this will be a limiting factor for humans if we spread out into the solar system and continue to multiply. It's hard enough for most people to think about all the different global affairs on earth, which is why most people tune them out and mainly the elites manage and control them. Now imagine four different earths all with their own specific web of international politics. How does any human actually keep track of current events among all that data?? We likely wont be aboe to evolve biologically to keep up and will increasingly rely more on artificial brains. Which will be dangerous because we wont he able to understand all the data theyre processing, we'll have to blindly trust it.

out of all the challenges to overcome in space travel, the human brain's bandwidth is not among the top ones...:roll:

[jstern]

I'd also like to mention that the brains of humans, mammals, birds are structured similarly, with different regions dedicated to functions like sight, hearing, and smell. They are like sub brains, varying in size depending on the species. For example, a dog's olfactory region is significantly larger than that of a human because their sense of smell was very important for their ancestors. In birds, the part of the brain related to vision is much larger, and if I remember correctly, it's insanely larger. And like I mentioned earlier, orcas seem to have the portion of their brain that relates to emotions, much larger than humans. (Even though they are so cold blooded when hunting, but in order to survive they really have to care about each other.)

https://www.tributeseniorliving.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/how-brain-works-2.jpg

Also, chimpanzees, despite being much dumber than humans, have a much better working memory, at least when it comes to remembering number.


https://youtu.be/qyJomdyjyvM

And then these people have this one small part of their brain that's much larger than normal. I forgot the name of what it's called, (since I watched the episode in 2010).


https://youtu.be/2zTkBgHNsWM


to be fair, your entire account is built to irritate people. it would be funny if it was used sparingly, but you use it pretty much every day and are obsessed with certain posters here. it's actually quite sad and strange how obsessed you have become, i'm sure that was not your initial goal but here we are.

But I'm here talking about animals and brain size, orcas communication, etc.

[Patrick Chewing]

To believe in creationism is to ignore all of the evidence

Evidence of what exactly? You cannot create matter out of thin air.

[Full Court]

I'm also interested in the massive gap in intelligence between the average human and Axe.

[Chick Stern]

Evidence of what exactly? You cannot create matter out of thin air.

How exactly do you flip to the creation of matter, out of a discussion on the origin species?

[Patrick Chewing]

How exactly do you flip to the creation of matter, out of a discussion on the origin species?

You're having a discussion on the origin of species? I'm only following your lead. If you're saying that Creationism is false, then we all have to have a single starting point, correct? But since something cannot come from nothing, then I think humanity, with all its wisdom, would have to conclude that something beyond our scope of what we can witness and test took place in order to manifest life.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o__yuonzGE

[Axe]

But since something cannot come from nothing, then I think humanity, with all its wisdom, would have to conclude that something beyond our scope of what we can witness and test took place in order to manifest life.
By that logic, that would also include the existence of islam as well. The religion that you despise the most. (https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg)

[Full Court]

By that logic, that would also include the existence of islam as well. The religion that you despise the most. (https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg)

^This is a perfect example of that massive intelligence gap I was talking about.

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews. com%2Ffredericknewspost.com%2Fcontent%2Ftncms%2Fas sets%2Fv3%2Feditorial%2F3%2F50%2F350067fc-cebb-55e4-bb63-aa999a07e794%2F523921d2176a6.preview-620.jpg%3Fresize%3D506%2C630&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=ad65fae19a227d1680d2f4c02431a980eeed94ff59e150 e0b6cef23e528ab0d3&ipo=images

[Chick Stern]

You're having a discussion on the origin of species? I'm only following your lead. If you're saying that Creationism is false, then we all have to have a single starting point, correct? But since something cannot come from nothing, then I think humanity, with all its wisdom, would have to conclude that something beyond our scope of what we can witness and test took place in order to manifest life.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o__yuonzGE

Something from nothing? Entirely possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwzbU0bGOdc

Not to mention that we have quantum physics evidence that particles can be in two places at once.

You already have a preconceived idea of how things are (like the guy in your video), and are then making great leaps of logic, instead of collecting empirical evidence and then looking to draw conclusions.

If “something cannot come from nothing”, then your god must have a creator. and the creator must have a creator, etc, etc…..

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/47/4782b002daab372f60661996aba57761585903aa0036291629 488c23c414897d.jpg

[Axe]

Something from nothing? Entirely possible.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwzbU0bGOdc

Not to mention that we have quantum physics evidence that particles can be in two places at once.

You already have a preconceived idea of how things are (like the guy in your video), and are then making great leaps of logic, instead of collecting empirical evidence and then looking to draw conclusions.

If “something cannot come from nothing”, then your god must have a creator. and the creator must have a creator, etc, etc…..

http://www.quickmeme.com/img/47/4782b002daab372f60661996aba57761585903aa0036291629 488c23c414897d.jpg (https://i.ibb.co/LRYVhvB/IMG-20240928-122514.jpg)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6AHcv19NIc

[Chick Stern]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=w6AHcv19NIc

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-07-2016/c0PvpF.gif

[jstern]

Axe bodied Chick Stern.

[ShawkFactory]

You're having a discussion on the origin of species? I'm only following your lead. If you're saying that Creationism is false, then we all have to have a single starting point, correct? But since something cannot come from nothing, then I think humanity, with all its wisdom, would have to conclude that something beyond our scope of what we can witness and test took place in order to manifest life.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4o__yuonzGE

Dude..what? :lol

I'm all for the philosophical conversations behind these things but this video is so stupid. Using a mouse trap as the example? A contraption that was absolutely built based on trial and error of how it worked, i.e. constructive evolution? It almost helps the point of the other side.

The conversation I'm willing to have is more about the creation of life in general. Atoms, cells, etc. Not humans.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/7-07-2016/c0PvpF.gif

Yeah that video Axe posted answers the questions you asked me. There wasn’t a before God. God has always been and will continue to be.

[Chick Stern]

Yeah that video Axe posted answers the questions you asked me. There wasn’t a before God. God has always been and will continue to be.
Nope,

https://media.tenor.com/b6pAfW3PHvcAAAAM/family-feud-survey-says.gif

You’re doing what I said, making great leaps of ‘logic’ to fit your preconceived narrative.

You already said “something cannot come from nothing”, now you are tap dancing.


and Hovind has nothing but junk degrees - and a long prison sentence.

[iamgine]

The gap isn't that massive imo. Majority of people in the world has IQ of 70-130. Chimps has IQ of around 20+. There are also people with IQ of 160+ like Einstein.

So the gap between Chimps and a person with IQ of 80 is like the difference between that person and Einstein.


IQ is not perfect but if you watch a regular person with IQ of 80 and Einstein, it's like they're entirely different species. Is that....a massive difference? I'd say no.