Who knew that Buddy could've replaced Klay & been called an all-timer instead of Klay

[3ba11]

Buddy Hield confirms that Klay/Pippen are replaceable and carried, while Wiggins already proved it in 2022.

Great chemistry & system allows secondary players like Klay, Buddy, Wiggins and Pippen to play well, otherwise they're nobodies in the annals of history - winning sidekicks are the most overrated players in history by virtue of getting inflated by the winning spotlight..

Of course, a great system is only possible if the 1st option has a skillset that allows great ball movement and system - a ball-dominator like Luka, Lebron or Harden simply don't allow ball movement systems to be run, while goat jumpshooters like Curry or MJ do.

Indeed, we see that Klay was inferior to Hornacek across the board (see first post below).

[3ba11]

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Regular Season

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 17.7 PER.. 2.9 bpm.. 0.153 ws/48.. 42.1 vorp on 33,964 min.. 15/3/5 on 58.2 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 16.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.110 ws/48.. 14.4 vorp on 20,380 min.. 19/3/2 on 57.5 ts


Playoffs

Hornacek (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hornaje01.html)'.... 16.5 PER.. 3.1 bpm.. 0.145 ws/48.. 14.1 vorp on 4766 min.. 15/4/4 on 57.5 ts
Klay (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/t/thompkl01.html)............ 14.4 PER.. 0.7 bpm.. 0.091 ws/48.... 3.1 vorp on 4570 min.. 19/3/2 on 56.0 ts

[DJMcDonald]

Kelly Oubre

[3ba11]

Kelly Oubre


exactly - that troll made the point that ALMOST anyone can replace klay, and now we see that the spirit of that post was correct - maybe not oubre, but nearly anyone can replace a secondary producer like Klay or Pippen.. A guy like Pippen never played above a prime Larry Nance or Iguoudala caliber, but the winning spotlight inflated him to all-time status and media accolade.. And now we see that Buddy Hield is better than Klay in this system, and could've won in Curry's heyday just like Klay did.

[SouBeachTalents]

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[3ba11]

Buddy would NEVER be enough help for Luka or Lebron, but it's enough for Curry because Curry's skillset emits great CHEMISTRY and ball movement.

Similarly, Kobe won with a sidekick that was worse than Bosh or Love because his skillset emits great chemistry and allows a system like the triangle.. If he was a dumb ball-dominator like Luka or Lebron, then the chemistry would be weak and Pau wouldn't be enough help.

[Neal Romer]

Put Lebron on the 2010s and 2020s Golden State Warriors, how many championship

[3ba11]

Put Lebron on the 2010s and 2020s Golden State Warriors, how many championship


1 title because he went 1 for 6 with AD so far, and he went 1 for 4 with Love or Wade (except the Allen miracle)

So he's a one-off guy that mostly loses regardless of cast.. He's a "1 for 4" guy.

His higher losing frequency is due to a high-scoring, ball-dominant skillset - this skillset scores a high volume of unassisted buckets that leave teammates standing around in spot-up roles, so the team has weak chemistry and can't compete effectively on the championship level...

Actually, Lebron's weak chemistry cannot win without greater talent than Klay - Lebron needs franchise guys at sidekick like Wade, Kyrie or AD, so Klay isn't nearly enough help to compensate for the weaker chemistry of bron-ball.

[SouBeachTalents]

Put Lebron on the 2010s and 2020s Golden State Warriors, how many championship
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[ralph_i_el]

Is defense no longer part of basketball? That was like 40% of prime Klay's appeal.

[ralph_i_el]

Buddy would NEVER be enough help for Luka or Lebron, but it's enough for Curry because Curry's skillset emits great CHEMISTRY and ball movement.

Similarly, Kobe won with a sidekick that was worse than Bosh or Love because his skillset emits great chemistry and allows a system like the triangle.. If he was a dumb ball-dominator like Luka or Lebron, then the chemistry would be weak and Pau wouldn't be enough help.

You would really take Kevin Love over Pau on your team?

[3ba11]

You would really take Kevin Love over Pau on your team?


Love was considered easily superior to Pau, prior to joining Lebron

So was Bosh

it's the historical record - Kobe won with a 2nd option that was worse than Lebron's 3rd options

Infact, Jamison was 14th for MVP in 2008 and a 2x all-star, while Pau was only 1x all-star and never an MVP candidate... So Jamison was considered on-par with Pau.

[bdonovan]

Klay was one of the best all-time guard defenders. At his prime, he really could guard everyone on the court. He could keep centers from knocking him over, and fast enough to cover any guard. After his injury, both his ability to create and guard suffered. For reasons I can't explain, his basketball IQ plummeted as well.

Offensively I've always thought he owes his greatness to Curry. He would be good anywhere else, but be considered a legend because of the way Curry plays.

[Full Court]

Klay was great back in the day, but he's been washed for a few years now. Hield is better than Klay now, but I'd take prime Klay over Hield any day.

[3ba11]

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[3ba11]

Klay was great back in the day, but he's been washed for a few years now. Hield is better than Klay now,

but I'd take prime Klay over Hield any day.


Sure and maybe Klay is better than Wiggins too but the point is that Curry can win with any of them at 2nd option, while high-scoring ball-dominators like Luka and Lebron need franchise players at 2nd and 3rd option to win as 1st option.

Of course Curry produces perennial winners with any cast due to the superior chemistry that his highly-assisted skillset produces, while high-scoring ball-dominators like Lebron and Luka have high volume of unassisted buckets that leave teammates standing around and prevent great chemistry or winning.

[SouBeachTalents]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492449-It-s-time-to-admit-the-16-Warriors-weren-t-that-good-amp-simply-had-strategy-because

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498686-Let-s-cut-the-BS-about-Curry

[1987_Lakers]

Only 8 points for Hield tonight, 3 points the game before.

He started the season shooting 50% from 3, that is obviously not sustainable. This will not end well for OP.

[3ba11]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493318-Curry-is-the-most-overrated-player-in-history

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492449-It-s-time-to-admit-the-16-Warriors-weren-t-that-good-amp-simply-had-strategy-because

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498686-Let-s-cut-the-BS-about-Curry


^^^ Outdated fake news - I could tell that Curry would win with perennial losers like Poole and Wiggins, so I knew that Curry had proved me wrong and therefore made Curry top 5 all-time in 2021:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)

[SouBeachTalents]

^^^ Outdated fake news - I could tell that Curry would win with perennial losers like Poole and Wiggins, so I knew that Curry had proved me wrong and therefore made Curry top 5 all-time in 2021:

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)
Literally 2 weeks earlier

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498686-Let-s-cut-the-BS-about-Curry


Let's cut the BS about Curry. He's a regular season performer that can't score under pressure and frequently gets destroyed by other athletic guards or "dogs" like Ja or Kyrie.

You Curry fans claim he's superior but here's the facts - when you put Curry on the same court as Kyrie, Ja and others, he does NOT have an advantage - it's like "oh look, he isn't better"... Curry is just a regular season performer and infact inferior under pressure or when his peers are standing right next to him

Ultimately, since he's just a 3-point bomber, he lacks the pure scoring and shot-making skill that Kyrie, Ja and others have, along with athleticism.

This dude was claiming in October 2021 the likes of Ja Morant were better than Curry :lol

[3ba11]

Literally 2 weeks earlier

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498686-Let-s-cut-the-BS-about-Curry



This dude was claiming in October 2021 the likes of Ja Morant were better than Curry :lol


And he proved me wrong, so I made him top 5 all-time in 2021 before anyone else had him anywhere near that high..

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499177-My-top-10-(supercedes-all-previous-rankings-for-reference-purposes-going-forward)


And now he will come out of the West and contend for his 5th title with perennial non-contenders like Heild, Poole, Wiggins or Klay, so it's clear that he's superior to inferior skillsets like ball-dominators, who need franchise players like AD, Wade or Kyrie - it's an obvious gap..

Curry's skillset is superior because he produces goat chemistry to win with less, while Lebron produces worst-ever chemistry to have the neediest teams in history... Again, the unfolding results continue to support my doctrines.

[1987_Lakers]

And he proved me wrong

You seem to be wrong alot.

[Axe]

Kelly Oubre
Lol. Kelly oubre's 20.3 ppg in charlotte didn't do any wonders for the hornets, the worst-owned franchise in the league.

[3ba11]

You seem to be wrong alot.


Curry is the only long-standing, egregious case..

I briefly had Giannis and Kawhi top 10 in 2021, but that was for 1 day on the first iteration of my final rankings that finally included Curry - the final top 12 rankings are ranked in order of the skillsets that produced the best chemistry have the best teams and win with the least, such as the cast they were give (organically) - MJ, Kobe, Bird, Curry, Russell, Wilt, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq, Magic, Lebron, Oscar.

History shows that every great team, aka "dynasty" that mostly won for a material stretch of 5+ years were led by highly-assisted skillsets such as jumpshooters (Curry, MJ, Kobe/Shaq) or bigs (Russell, Kareem, Duncan, Shaq/Kobe) - that's all the dynasties.. Meanwhile, the lower-assisted skillsets/ball-dominators produced perennial losers and never produced dynasties/great teams.

[3ba11]

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Thread Cliffs

Based on this thread and previous threads from 2022 to 2024, I'm currently correct about Curry, while everyone else is wrong and doesn't think Curry is on Lebron's level or better, despite consistently having superior teams with FAR less help, and consistently elevating perennial nobodies to champion like Poole, Wiggins or Heild.

[1987_Lakers]

Only 8 points for Hield tonight, 3 points the game before.

He started the season shooting 50% from 3, that is obviously not sustainable. This will not end well for OP.

Hield since OP made this thread. 10 ppg | 38 FG% | 35 3PT%.

Warriors are also 6-8 since OP made this thread.

:oldlol:

This was predictable. Anything involving Klay turns into a backfire for 3bot.

[Carbine]

Klay was the prototype for 3 and D in his prime.

He was one of the top 3-5 shooters in the league and he was one of the top 10 perimeter defenders while also being able to run off screens and have an offense flow through that at times of the game.

Buddy is an excellent shooter but if he were tasked with defending the other teams top guard like prime Klay was asked to do that would not go very well.

it doesnt surprise me that 3ball would argue this point, he has never valued defense. Doesnt fit the agenda of hating Pippen.

[SouBeachTalents]

Klay was the prototype for 3 and D in his prime.

He was one of the top 3-5 shooters in the league and he was one of the top 10 perimeter defenders while also being able to run off screens and have an offense flow through that at times of the game.

Buddy is an excellent shooter but if he were tasked with defending the other teams top guard like prime Klay was asked to do that would not go very well.

it doesnt surprise me that 3ball would argue this point, he has never valued defense. Doesnt fit the agenda of hating Pippen.
3ball genuinely can't process value in basketball outside of scoring, and thinks if two players average the same ppg they're equally as good, which is why his takes are always so bad.

[sdot_thadon]

The straws he grasps at always seem to be the short ones that backfire in his face :facepalm The message board equivalent of wile e. coyote for those old enough to know.:oldlol:

[tpols]

This is a wierd bump.

[tpols]

Hield since OP made this thread. 10 ppg | 38 FG% | 35 3PT%.

Warriors are also 6-8 since OP made this thread.

:oldlol:

This was predictable. Anything involving Klay turns into a backfire for 3bot.


For the season,

Buddy Hield is averaging 14 ppg on 45% FG and 42% 3pt.

Klay is averaging 13 ppg on 38% FG and 37% 3pt.

:biggums:

It's honestly amazing how you guys just disregard and distort reality.

[ShawkFactory]

For the season,

Buddy Hield is averaging 14 ppg on 45% FG and 42% 3pt.

Klay is averaging 13 ppg on 38% FG and 37% 3pt.

:biggums:

It's honestly amazing how you guys just disregard and distort reality.

:biggums:

[sdot_thadon]

This is a wierd bump.

Is it really? The premise op presented has quickly soured.

[sdot_thadon]

For the season,

Buddy Hield is averaging 14 ppg on 45% FG and 42% 3pt.

Klay is averaging 13 ppg on 38% FG and 37% 3pt.

:biggums:

It's honestly amazing how you guys just disregard and distort reality.

Also im pretty effing sure the point of this thread was the alltime great version of klay could be replaced by anyone decent. And it's definitely not truth. You're reduced to comparing washed up Klay to a younger "prime" player. Sad.

[tontoz]

I doubt OP was referring to the current Klay who the Ws let walk for nothing.

[SouBeachTalents]

It's honestly amazing how you guys just disregard and distort reality.
Said without the slightest bit of irony :lol

And OP is CLEARLY talking about Klay on the title winning teams, you constantly misinterpret things.

[tpols]

Also im pretty effing sure the point of this thread was the alltime great version of klay could be replaced by anyone decent. And it's definitely not truth. You're reduced to comparing washed up Klay to a younger "prime" player. Sad.


It's not really that far fetched when you look at the actual production. Klay simply didn't show up a lot in the playoffs when the warriors really needed him outside of the 2016 WCFs.

Shit the bed in the 2015 Finals and needed Iggy to replace his impact, shit the bed in the 2016 Finals and if he even shot just slightly below average they'd have won, was inconsequential in the Durant years, and then shit the bed in the 2022 Finals and needed Wiggins of all people to step into the 2nd option role while also guarding and locking down the other teams best player in Tatum.

The winning spotlight clearly elevated the publics perception of Klay. He'd be a 20 ppg borderline All Star on any other team. Like Bradley Beal level but even Beal had a higher ceiling and was capable of doing 30/5/5. More bag and handles for sure.

[1987_Lakers]

It's not really that far fetched when you look at the actual production. Klay simply didn't show up a lot in the playoffs when the warriors really needed him outside of the 2016 WCFs.

Shit the bed in the 2015 Finals and needed Iggy to replace his impact, shit the bed in the 2016 Finals and if he even shot just slightly below average they'd have won, was inconsequential in the Durant years, and then shit the bed in the 2022 Finals and needed Wiggins of all people to step into the 2nd option role while also guarding and locking down the other teams best player in Tatum.

The winning spotlight clearly elevated the publics perception of Klay. He'd be a 20 ppg borderline All Star on any other team. Like Bradley Beal level but even Beal had a higher ceiling and was capable of doing 30/5/5. More bag and handles for sure.

He was the best player for the Warriors in the '19 Finals up until he got injured while Curry was stinking it up.

[tpols]

He was the best player for the Warriors in the '19 Finals up until he got injured while Curry was stinking it up.

Curry averaged 31/6/5 on 41/34/95 splits in the 2019 NBA Finals. Not the best series of his career but still... pretty damn good. Klay did show up in that series but he couldn't finish it due to injury... so that counts. It's unfortunate but it's the way it went.

[1987_Lakers]

Curry averaged 31/6/5 on 41/34/95 splits in the 2019 NBA Finals. Not the best series of his career but still... pretty damn good. Klay did show up in that series but he couldn't finish it due to injury... so that counts. It's unfortunate but it's the way it went.

From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.

[ILLsmak]

Hield has been good, though, since college?

Klay is better, but it's not a huge drop off. Maybe on D? He isn't getting you 40 in one quarter or whatever Klay did, but he is a legit star. It's amazing they got him, but I guess he is old now.

Klay was never an all nba guy imo, but the value of a true 3 and D role player is super high.

There are plenty of people, including Bron, MJ, Shaq... (etc) who never played with a guy like Klay. I was gonna say Hakeem, but I think he's about the same as Sam Cassell on a great team (if you take away PG ability, just making the right decision in the half court.)

-Smak

[RRR3]

It’s impressive tpols is able to use a computer given how stupid he is ngl

[tontoz]

From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.


Curry had a 60% TS for the series averaging 30/6/5. He was 54-57 from the foul line.

[tpols]

From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.

It's pretty much impossible to be bricking everything when youre averaging 31/6/5 on Curry's volume. Those are like... late 90s MJ numbers. And Torontos defense was super elite keyed in on him.

[ShawkFactory]

It's pretty much impossible to be bricking everything when youre averaging 31/6/5 on Curry's volume. Those are like... late 90s MJ numbers. And Torontos defense was super elite keyed in on him.

Oh come on…

[1987_Lakers]

Curry had a 60% TS for the series averaging 30/6/5. He was 54-57 from the foul line.

TS% factors in free throws which helped overall TS%. I haven't even looked at the raw numbers, but from what I remember, Curry was bricking a good chunk of his shot attempts while Klay seemed like he was hitting everything.

[tontoz]

TS% factors in free throws which helped overall TS%. I haven't even looked at the raw numbers, but from what I remember, Curry was bricking a good chunk of his shot attempts while Klay seemed like he was hitting everything.


Free throws count as points too. The fact that he got there 57 times just shows how much the defense was focused on him. He usually doesn't get to the line a lot.

[warriorfan]

From what I remember Curry was bricking everything in that series. Klay would have easily won FMVP that year if he didn't get injured and the Warriors won.

You also think the moon is a spaceship.

[sdot_thadon]

It's not really that far fetched when you look at the actual production. Klay simply didn't show up a lot in the playoffs when the warriors really needed him outside of the 2016 WCFs.

Shit the bed in the 2015 Finals and needed Iggy to replace his impact, shit the bed in the 2016 Finals and if he even shot just slightly below average they'd have won, was inconsequential in the Durant years, and then shit the bed in the 2022 Finals and needed Wiggins of all people to step into the 2nd option role while also guarding and locking down the other teams best player in Tatum.

The winning spotlight clearly elevated the publics perception of Klay. He'd be a 20 ppg borderline All Star on any other team. Like Bradley Beal level but even Beal had a higher ceiling and was capable of doing 30/5/5. More bag and handles for sure.

You know you're down bad when you quote 3ball propaganda like the "winning spotlight" clown shit. Klay has been a 20ppg sidekick on a dynasty for a nice chunk of his career. Buddy not so much. And while a completely agree. Buddy is an elite shooter, Klay is a legendary shooter. There's levels to this and I can't stand Klay lol. You can show similar numbers but the way Klay can get hot like only a few ever to play is a big ace to have up your sleeve in any series. Klays defense was respected without being an elite level defender. Buddy? Never really heard anything about him besides how he can shoot the ball. With Buddy we're talking a player who can occasionally get 30 and on his best night of his career 40, Klay is a threat for 40 points and on the best night of his life put up like 60 in 30 min or some crazy shit like that. Klay Thompson is a hall of famer, that other guy isnt.

[Axe]

It's not really that far fetched when you look at the actual production. Klay simply didn't show up a lot in the playoffs when the warriors really needed him outside of the 2016 WCFs.

Shit the bed in the 2015 Finals and needed Iggy to replace his impact, shit the bed in the 2016 Finals and if he even shot just slightly below average they'd have won, was inconsequential in the Durant years, and then shit the bed in the 2022 Finals and needed Wiggins of all people to step into the 2nd option role while also guarding and locking down the other teams best player in Tatum.

The winning spotlight clearly elevated the publics perception of Klay. He'd be a 20 ppg borderline All Star on any other team. Like Bradley Beal level but even Beal had a higher ceiling and was capable of doing 30/5/5. More bag and handles for sure.
The warriors should have won game 3 of the 2019 finals then if you think that klay was awful and didn't contribute properly whatsoever. Also if i were you, i'd do well to remember that the warriors missed the playoffs in '20 and '21 as well due to his full absence from playing in the two seasons involved.

[tontoz]

The warriors should have won game 3 of the 2019 finals then if you think that klay was awful and didn't contribute properly whatsoever. Also if i were you, i'd do well to remember that the warriors missed the playoffs in '20 and '21 as well due to his full absence from playing in the two seasons involved.


Wrong. They missed the playoffs in 2020 because Steph only played 5 games. They missed the playoffs in 21 because the play in was created. If the play in wasn't created the warriors would have made the playoffs.

[Axe]

And the warriors couldn't win the play-ins (aka losers bracket) at all with klay missing bt. They actually have the distinction of being the first team to lose b2b games there. :ohwell:

[Hey Yo]

Wrong. They missed the playoffs in 2020 because Steph only played 5 games. They missed the playoffs in 21 because the play in was created. If the play in wasn't created the warriors would have made the playoffs.

Steph was able to return that season but decided not to and GS purposely tanked the season.

[3ba11]

And the warriors couldn't win the play-ins (aka losers bracket) at all with klay missing bt. They actually have the distinction of being the first team to lose b2b games there. :ohwell:


Lebron ran when his teammates got old, while Curry won with old Klay..

Specifically, Lebron ran when Wade, Bosh, or Love barely got as old as 2nd three-peat Pippen, while Curry and MJ won with old Klay or Pippen... It's a stark contrast... MJ and Curry won with less supporting talent because their skillset of highly-assisted jumpshooting produces better chemistry.

[Axe]

Meh. 1-9.

Scram now, you naughty piece of shit.

[RRR3]

Lebron ran when his teammates got old, while Curry won with old Klay..

Specifically, Lebron ran when Wade, Bosh, or Love barely got as old as 2nd three-peat Pippen, while Curry and MJ won with old Klay or Pippen... It's a stark contrast... MJ and Curry won with less supporting talent because their skillset of highly-assisted jumpshooting produces better chemistry.
Deflection from the fact you were dead wrong in the OP. Address that coward.

[tontoz]

Steph was able to return that season but decided not to and GS purposely tanked the season.

And what did they get for it? Wiseman, a complete bust. But they won another title anyway.

For the record Steph was a MVP finalist in 21, without Klay.

[Axe]

But they won another title anyway.
During the season which also coincided with klay's return to playing. :rolleyes:

[tontoz]

During the season which also coincided with klay's return to playing. :rolleyes:


They had the best record in the league at 29-9 before Klay played his first game. They had a better record without him than with him

[Axe]

Sure, uncle. But you can't ignore that they had him playing once the postseason in 2022 started.

[tontoz]

Sure, uncle. But you can't ignore that they had him playing once the postseason in 2022 started.

He was probably their 4th best player in the postseason behind Steph, Wiggins and Poole.

[Axe]

Well, given that he had an acl injury that made him miss two seasons completely due to a rather long recovery, you certainly can't blame him. Can you? :confusedshrug:

[tontoz]

Well, given that he had an acl injury that made him miss two seasons completely due to a rather long recovery, you certainly can't blame him. Can you? :confusedshrug:

I am not blaming him, but if I did it wouldn't be as dumb as you giving him credit for them making the playoffs. He only played 32 games and they were better without him.

[Axe]

Whatever. We still have yet to see chef gerbil make it to the playoffs without him, something that didn't happen after he was sidelined before for two years.

[tontoz]

Whatever. We still have yet to see chef gerbil make it to the playoffs without him, something that didn't happen after he was sidelined before for two years.


They had the 8 seed without him in spite of injuries to other players too.

[Axe]

Yes uncle. But they were still huge victims to the play-ins aka losers bracket. Curse you, pandemic.

[ShawkFactory]

Lebron ran when his teammates got old, while Curry won with old Klay..

Specifically, Lebron ran when Wade, Bosh, or Love barely got as old as 2nd three-peat Pippen, while Curry and MJ won with old Klay or Pippen... It's a stark contrast... MJ and Curry won with less supporting talent because their skillset of highly-assisted jumpshooting produces better chemistry.

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and..dodge.

Much appreciated :lol

[RRR3]

Dodge, duck, dip, dive, and..dodge.

Much appreciated :lol
Genuinely funny he doesn’t get that he’d get people to actually spend time arguing with him (what he desperately wants) if he occasionally admitted he was wrong. Instead he just gets trolled.

[Hey Yo]

And what did they get for it? Wiseman, a complete bust. But they won another title anyway.

For the record Steph was a MVP finalist in 21, without Klay.

Still doesn't change the fact he willfully sat out to tank instead of trying to overcome the circumstances.

[tontoz]

Still doesn't change the fact he willfully sat out to tank instead of trying to overcome the circumstances.

That isn't a fact at all. Steph actually did come back but the season was cut short due to covid. He played on March 5 and the season was cancelled a few days later

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202003050GSW.html

What is a fact is that Steph was a MVP finalist the following year without Klay.

[Axe]

I wonder how people would feel about him if he did win the mvp during that year while missing the playoffs at the same time. Must be hilarious, i could imagine.

[tontoz]

I wonder how people would feel about him if he did win the mvp during that year while missing the playoffs at the same time.


They would have thought that they won enough games to be in the playoffs, and then Steph dropped about 80 points in the two play in games.

[ArbitraryWater]

3ball genuinely can't process value in basketball outside of scoring, and thinks if two players average the same ppg they're equally as good, which is why his takes are always so bad.


Thats a perfect summary of 3ball.

Explains a lot of things and spares everyone of a lot of involved time.

[Hey Yo]

That isn't a fact at all. Steph actually did come back but the season was cut short due to covid. He played on March 5 and the season was cancelled a few days later

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202003050GSW.html

What is a fact is that Steph was a MVP finalist the following year without Klay.

The injury happened in October and the normal healing time would've been before Christmas. He was sitting out when able to play.

[tontoz]

The injury happened in October and the normal healing time would've been before Christmas. He was sitting out when able to play.

So why did he come back and play in March when they had a 14-48 record?

[1987_Lakers]

Buddy's stats since OP made this thread:

10 PPG. 38 FG%. 33 3PT%

:lol

[1987_Lakers]

Only 8 points for Hield tonight, 3 points the game before.

He started the season shooting 50% from 3, that is obviously not sustainable. This will not end well for OP.

https://media.tenor.com/jzyxbbQnrRsAAAAM/michael-jordan-chicago-bulls-versus-portland-trail-blazers.gif

[3ba11]

Buddy's stats since OP made this thread:

10 PPG. 38 FG%. 33 3PT%

:lol


When Buddy was providing Curry with the measly 19 PPG that Curry needs to win, the Warriors did look unbeatable again.

It shows how little Curry needs to win titles - just a 20 PPG sidekick, while Lebron needs opposing franchise players at sidekick that made the Finals without him (Wade, Kyrie, Love).

It's a pretty big difference... So guys like Curry and Kobe are better than ball-dominators like Lebron that needs far more help to win and never won with secondary producers like Klay

[1987_Lakers]

When Buddy was providing Curry with the measly 19 PPG that Curry needs to win, the Warriors did look unbeatable again.

It shows how little Curry needs to win titles - just a 20 PPG sidekick, while Lebron needs opposing franchise players at sidekick that made the Finals without him (Wade, Kyrie, Love).

Is that why the Warriors missed the playoffs in 2021 with Curry playing out of his mind while having a 19 PPG sidekick in Wiggins?

[3ba11]

Is that why the Warriors missed the playoffs in 2021 with Curry playing out of his mind while having a 19 PPG sidekick in Wiggins?


Curry won with Wiggins at 19 PPG

Lebron could never win with Wiggins and literally rejected Wiggins, so Curry won with Lebron's reject

Listen to Nick Wright destroy Wiggins in 2020:

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/TRPJspmjTL4

[SouBeachTalents]

Literally 2 weeks earlier

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?498686-Let-s-cut-the-BS-about-Curry



This dude was claiming in October 2021 the likes of Ja Morant were better than Curry :lol
Yikes, that's embarrassing.

[tontoz]

Another thread fail from OP. :facepalm

[3ba11]

Curry already did it by winning with Wiggins, which is far more impressive than winning with Wade/Bosh/Allen or Love/Bosh, or AD

Night and day - Curry is far superior by virtue of being able to win and produce better teams with far less help

[StrongLurk]

Curry already did it by winning with Wiggins, which is far more impressive than winning with Wade/Bosh/Allen or Love/Bosh, or AD

Night and day - Curry is far superior by virtue of being able to win and produce better teams with far less help

Pip went 6-0 in the finals.

[3ba11]

Pip went 6-0 in the finals.


FINALS STATS ALONGSIDE MJ AND LEBRON

Lebron.......... 28 on 49%
Kyrie............. 28 on 47%
AD'................ 25 on 55%
Pippen.......... 19 on 42%

^^^^ Someone doesn't belong




Pip went 6-0 in the finals.



CAREER FINALS

Jordan..... 34 ppg... 6.0 apg... 2.8 TO.. 48%.. goat clutch
Pippen..... 19 ppg... 5.9 apg... 3.3 TO.. 42%.. zero clutch (worst-ever)


CAREER PLAYOFFS WITH BULLS

Jordan..... 33 ppg... 5.7 apg... 3.1 TO.. 49%
Pippen..... 18 ppg... 5.3 apg... 2.9 TO.. 45%


There's never been a bigger example of a teammate getting carried to chips and garnering media accolade from the winning spotlight...

On another team, 19 on 42% would be "just another guy" in the NBA, but when the GOAT is dragging that crap to titles, then it's considered all-time... If AD averaged 19 on 42%, no amount of defense would prevent him from getting demoted and traded

[StrongLurk]

FINALS STATS ALONGSIDE MJ AND LEBRON

Lebron.......... 28 on 49%
Kyrie............. 28 on 47%
AD'................ 25 on 55%
Pippen.......... 19 on 42%

^^^^ Someone doesn't belong







CAREER FINALS

Jordan..... 34 ppg... 6.0 apg... 2.8 TO.. 48%.. goat clutch
Pippen..... 19 ppg... 5.9 apg... 3.3 TO.. 42%.. zero clutch (worst-ever)


CAREER PLAYOFFS WITH BULLS

Jordan..... 33 ppg... 5.7 apg... 3.1 TO.. 49%
Pippen..... 18 ppg... 5.3 apg... 2.9 TO.. 45%


There's never been a bigger example of a teammate getting carried to chips and garnering media accolade from the winning spotlight...

On another team, 19 on 42% would be "just another guy" in the NBA, but when the GOAT is dragging that crap to titles, then it's considered all-time... If AD averaged 19 on 42%, no amount of defense would prevent him from getting demoted and traded

Nobody won more than Pip did in his era.

[3ba11]

Nobody won more than Pip did in his era.


Pippen's rings are "Horry rings", except with worse performance:



FINALS


95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen's rings are "Horry rings", except with worse performance:



FINALS


95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS
As are Kobe's

2000: 9.7
2001: 17.2
2004: 11.6
2008: 16.4
2010: 18.7

[StrongLurk]

Pippen's rings are "Horry rings", except with worse performance:



FINALS


95' Horry...... 19.0 gamescore... 18/10/4/3/2 on 57 TS

92' Pippen.... 18.1 gamescore.... 21/8/7/2/1 on 56 TS
91' Pippen.... 17.5 gamescore.... 21/9/7/2/1 on 53 TS
93' Pippen.... 15.6 gamescore.... 20/9/8/2/1 on 46 TS
97' Pippen.... 15.1 gamescore.... 20/8/3/2/2 on 54 TS
96' Pippen.... 13.4 gamescore.... 16/7/5/2/1 on 43 TS
98' Pippen.... 13.0 gamescore.... 16/8/5/2/1 on 50 TS

Nobody won more than Pip in his era.

Also Kobe has 5 Horry finals.

2000: 9.7
2001: 17.2
2004: 11.6
2008: 16.4
2010: 18.7

[3ba11]

As are Kobe's

2000: 9.7
2001: 17.2
2004: 11.6
2008: 16.4
2010: 18.7


Anyone with a material amount of Finals appearances exceeded Horry's best, except Pippen

[ShawkFactory]

Anyone with a material amount of Finals appearances exceeded Horry's best, except Pippen

It’s okay. You’ve been wrong about lot of shit and I understand because it’s for the bit. Honestly..respect. But also own it instead of being a little bitch about it.

[RRR3]

Kobe has 5 Horry rings, just moved him out of my top 75. Roleplayerbe

[1987_Lakers]

Hield is trash. :oldlol:

[1987_Lakers]

For the season,

Buddy Hield is averaging 14 ppg on 45% FG and 42% 3pt.

Klay is averaging 13 ppg on 38% FG and 37% 3pt.

:biggums:

It's honestly amazing how you guys just disregard and distort reality.

You might want to re-look at those numbers. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

Yikes, another thread where OP completely embarrassed himself.

[ShawkFactory]

He was just trolling this time. Just this once.

Everything else he says is real :lol

[NBAGOAT]

Klay has low bball iq himself but buddy makes him seem like a genius lol. Don’t think he gets 20mpg in playoffs. Warriors are going podz or moody

[tpols]

Hield is trash. :oldlol:

Uh oh....

We've seen Game 6 Klay.

But Game 7 Buddy is the evolution.

[ArbitraryWater]

Kobe has 5 Horry rings, just moved him out of my top 75. Roleplayerbe

liberals humor just always stays stale doesnt it

[ImKobe]

Klay would still provide value if his 3 wasn't going that's not really the case with Hield, but maybe if Buddy started his career in GS like Klay he would've also developed into a better player? Who knows.

[j3lademaster]

Idk, Klay propensity to go off at any time is unmatched when it comes to non superstars. Hield had 33 this game, which is cool, but Klay’s done that in a quarter with virtually no dribbles. And while I give Hield credit for playing good defense yesterday, he isn’t a 2nd team all def like Klay was. Are we really just going to do this over one game and not acknowledge that outside of 2/7 games Buddy has been trash?

[tpols]

Idk, Klay propensity to go off at any time is unmatched when it comes to non superstars. Hield had 33 this game, which is cool, but Klay’s done that in a quarter with virtually no dribbles. And while I give Hield credit for playing good defense yesterday, he isn’t a 2nd team all def like Klay was. Are we really just going to do this over one game and not acknowledge that outside of 2/7 games Buddy has been trash?

Buddy did just break the all time Game 7 3pt record. Was little more than just cool, he outplayed everybody on the court. Klay hasn't scored that much in a playoff game since 2018.

[j3lademaster]

Buddy did just break the all time Game 7 3pt record. Was little more than just cool, he outplayed everybody on the court. Klay hasn't scored that much in a playoff game since 2018.Injuries did cut his prime short. You can't tell me that was the same guy when he came back just because he was averaging 20.

[tpols]

Looks like its gonna be the buddy show for a while now with Chef sidelined.

[Axe]

Klay was one of the best all-time guard defenders. At his prime, he really could guard everyone on the court. He could keep centers from knocking him over, and fast enough to cover any guard. After his injury, both his ability to create and guard suffered. For reasons I can't explain, his basketball IQ plummeted as well.

Offensively I've always thought he owes his greatness to Curry. He would be good anywhere else, but be considered a legend because of the way Curry plays.
I don't think curry win another ring without klay in his team nowadays, especially now that he's starting to become old.

The casual dumbass below you is a braindead psychopath, btw. (https://i.ibb.co/JmpGnKz/IMG-20230528-095117.jpg)