3 years ago tonight Jokic gave us the answer to one of life’s great mysteries.

[Kblaze8855]

A question that had vexed some of the great minds of our time…..

”Ok you’re a goon but what’s a goon…to a goblin?”











The definitive answer…supplied by Mr Jokic?




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”Nothin nothin. You aint scaring nothing. On some faggy bullshit. Call em Dennis Rodman.”.


58 missed games later Morris returned…presumably…having learned that lesson.

I just wanted to take a moment to show due respect to the only elite player who was also a goblin to enter the league in 30 years(most recent previous examples being Shaq, Hakeem, Karl Malone, Barkley, all 162 pounds of Isiah Thomas, and Bird).

[tontoz]

Some clown on here said that Morris was just trying to stop the fast break, down 17 with 2:45 left.
:lol

Jokic has two brothers who are MMA fighters. He isn't going to take crap from Morris who has a long history of cheap shots. He used to be on the wizards so I saw it first hand.

[tpols]

Jokic is the reason zebras are the only species of horse that could never be tamed. They are docile like most equestrians, yet if disturbed become extremely hostile. Known for fighting off lions in the south of Africa and knocking foes out with a swift kick of the hoof.

A one Nikola Jokic in his natural habitat mimics these beautiful creatures. Fighting off beasts at every turn with remarkable reflexes and skill... especially when he is unnecessarily threatened and assaulted. It is then that the predator becomes the prey.

[bdonovan]

Jokic responded to a misdemeanor with a felony.

I guarantee you that if a black player responded to a white player's shove with a blindside tackle that snapped the white player's neck and sidelined them for 58 games or whatever it was, that black player would not be playing in the NBA.

That a "mean, dangerous" black player ran into a white player so he is entitled to do ANYTHING in return. And of course, the front office, the NBA media, all co-horts of the offender, will look the other way.

That's what happened.

The only lesson learned is that in the NBA, white players can respond disproportionately to provocation, and get away with it. The real message: no matter how many black players on the court, don't forget who runs the show.

[hold this L]

Jokic responded to a misdemeanor with a felony.

I guarantee you that if a black player responded to a white player's shove with a blindside tackle that snapped the white player's neck and sidelined them for 58 games or whatever it was, that black player would not be playing in the NBA.

That a "mean, dangerous" black player ran into a white player so he is entitled to do ANYTHING in return. And of course, the front office, the NBA media, all co-horts of the offender, will look the other way.

That's what happened.

The only lesson learned is that in the NBA, white players can respond disproportionately to provocation, and get away with it. The real message: no matter how many black players on the court, don't forget who runs the show.
You have a very bizarre obsession with race. This has nothing to do with race, Morris was being an asshole and I'm glad he got laid out.

Also, he got suspended, so how did he get away with it?

[Im Still Ballin]

Jokic is slow as molasses but he strikes me as one of those big flabby dudes that can scrap. Like Roy Nelson or that doughy South African guy who knocked out Wladimir Klitschko back in the early '00s. He'd be one of the better combat fighters (MMA/boxing) out of current NBA players IMO.

[Kblaze8855]

Jokic is the reason zebras are the only species of horse that could never be tamed. They are docile like most equestrians, yet if disturbed become extremely hostile. Known for fighting off lions in the south of Africa and knocking foes out with a swift kick of the hoof.

A one Nikola Jokic in his natural habitat mimics these beautiful creatures. Fighting off beasts at every turn with remarkable reflexes and skill... especially when he is unnecessarily threatened and assaulted. It is then that the predator becomes the prey.


he isnt all defense. That’s a pretty standard trait of a goblin. He’s been known to go on offense. “I don’t shoot back because I shoot first” mode if you will. He took Colin Sexton out just because he was getting him on too many switches and hunting him. Didn’t even make it look believable. Which many of the goblins I mentioned would do when provoked by a guard.

[tpols]

Jokic is slow as molasses but he strikes me as one of those big flabby dudes that can scrap. Like Roy Nelson or that doughy South African guy who knocked out Wladimir Klitschko back in the early '00s. He'd be one of the better combat fighters (MMA/boxing) out of current NBA players IMO.

He's got the sloppy Tyson Fury build down. But he's even bigger.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Jokic responded to a misdemeanor with a felony.

I guarantee you that if a black player responded to a white player's shove with a blindside tackle that snapped the white player's neck and sidelined them for 58 games or whatever it was, that black player would not be playing in the NBA.

That a "mean, dangerous" black player ran into a white player so he is entitled to do ANYTHING in return. And of course, the front office, the NBA media, all co-horts of the offender, will look the other way.

That's what happened.

The only lesson learned is that in the NBA, white players can respond disproportionately to provocation, and get away with it. The real message: no matter how many black players on the court, don't forget who runs the show.

This whole argument had already happened. Morris should never have turned his back on the man after giving a cheap shot. His fault for assuming Jokic was scared or would just take it or whatever he was thinking. If you hit someone you have a responsibility to your own own health to be ready for a fight. "You can't hit me back because I turned around" is nonsense.

[bdonovan]

You have a very bizarre obsession with race. This has nothing to do with race, Morris was being an asshole and I'm glad he got laid out.

Also, he got suspended, so how did he get away with it?

Nice try. Sometimes race is a factor.

Did you address the disproportional aspect of what happened? I think you skimmed right past that. It's central to what we're talking about.

(1 game suspension for injuring a player for 50+ games......)

[Neal Romer]

Jokic responded to a misdemeanor with a felony.

I guarantee you that if a black player responded to a white player's shove with a blindside tackle that snapped the white player's neck and sidelined them for 58 games or whatever it was, that black player would not be playing in the NBA.

That a "mean, dangerous" black player ran into a white player so he is entitled to do ANYTHING in return. And of course, the front office, the NBA media, all co-horts of the offender, will look the other way.

That's what happened.

The only lesson learned is that in the NBA, white players can respond disproportionately to provocation, and get away with it. The real message: no matter how many black players on the court, don't forget who runs the show.


Well. Youre still here watchin.

Must be alright with you.

[tontoz]

Nice try. Sometimes race is a factor.

Did you address the disproportional aspect of what happened? I think you skimmed right past that. It's central to what we're talking about.

(1 game suspension for injuring a player for 50+ games......)


Morris wouldn't have been injured if he wasn't a dumbass. When you cheap shots someone a lot bigger than you, don't turn your back on them.

[SouBeachTalents]

Morris dindu nuffin

[hold this L]

Nice try. Sometimes race is a factor.

Did you address the disproportional aspect of what happened? I think you skimmed right past that. It's central to what we're talking about.

(1 game suspension for injuring a player for 50+ games......)
He initiated it and nobody knew he would be missing 50 games by the time the suspension came out.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's got the sloppy Tyson Fury build down. But he's even bigger.

Has a lot of ideal qualities to be a fighter.

Big-framed, sturdily-built, wide-built, large upper body, long arms, relatively low center of gravity, a pudgy protective layer of fat around the torso.

Has exceptional balance, general coordination, is strong in a natural/functional/farm boy kind of way, has superb endurance, good agility, quick feet and hands, elite hand-eye coordination, and dexterity.

[bdonovan]

He initiated it and nobody knew he would be missing 50 games by the time the suspension came out.

You don't know how to address the disproportional element of the encounter, so you keep talking past it.

Let me help you with this.

Proportionality: This principle dictates that the level of force used in self-defense must not exceed what is necessary to counter the threat. If a person uses excessive force—meaning more than what is reasonably necessary to prevent harm—their claim of self-defense may fail. For example, if someone responds to a minor physical interaction with aggressive force injuring the other, this would likely be considered disproportionate and excessive.

On a moral and legal perspective, nowhere is Jokic's violent response justifiable for being shoved. Particularly because Morris was walking away- the threat was already defused. Jokic should have let the refs handle it. To throw his 280 lbs into a blindside tackle as Morris was walking away, of course it would cause the neck injury it did.

The only reason Jokic got a the slap on the wrist is because of race. Inconvenient to consider as it may be.

[tontoz]

The players in the NBA are overwhelmingly black but I didn't see any of them complaining about the racial aspect or a disproportionate response from Jokic. Maybe you see race because you are the racist

I certainly saw plenty of black players saying Morris got what he deserved.

[bdonovan]

I'll add that the only reason people think Jokic is a choir boy to this day is that the media has hidden the fact that Morris was left injured with a neck injury for 58 games.

Most NBA fans don't know or like me heard about it after the season was over.

Has Draymond Green blindside tackled someone who was walking away and injured them for 50+ games?

Has any of the Morris brothers attacked someone, in retalliation or for whatever reason, and injured them for most of the season?

If everyone assaulted someone for getting shoved in this league, we wouldn't have a league anymore.

As much as people don't want to admit it, the normalization of what Jokic is only made possible from ethnocentric solidarity. I can kind of understand it. It sends a message to black players- don't even think about it. But it uses an immoral, biased adjudication of the Jokic incident to get there.

[Wally450]

Jokic is a clown for that.

[bdonovan]

The players in the NBA are overwhelmingly black but I didn't see any of them complaining about the racial aspect or a disproportionate response from Jokic. Maybe you see race because you are the racist

Right. By discerning that race may have played a role makes me a racist. Good point. (Race however is a factor when Caitlin Clark is getting elbowed by WNBA players, somehow).

You're just distracting from the substance of what is being discussed by making this about me, and whether I'm a racist or not.

Let's talk about the incident, and leave out the ad hominem.

[Neal Romer]

Right. By discerning that race may have played a role makes me a racist. Good point. (Race however is a factor when Caitlin Clark is getting elbowed by WNBA players, somehow).

You're just distracting from the substance of what is being discussed by making this about me, and whether I'm a racist or not.

Let's talk about the incident, and leave out the ad hominem.


You know the owners dont hand out the punishments for these incidents right? Joe Dumars does.

He must be racist too.

[tontoz]

Right. By discerning that race may have played a role makes me a racist. Good point. (Race however is a factor when Caitlin Clark is getting elbowed by WNBA players, somehow).

You're just distracting from the substance of what is being discussed by making this about me, and whether I'm a racist or not.

Let's talk about the incident, and leave out the ad hominem.


The incident is very simple. Morris deliberately ran into a guy much bigger than him which you are incapable of acknowledging was a non basketball play. It was a blatant cheap shots but you can't admit it because Morris is black and Jokic is white.

Then Jokic responded in kind and the result was worse for Morris because he turned his back like a dumbass and because Jokic is bigger

You keep bringing up how many games he missed as if that is relevant. How could anyone anticipate how many games he missed when determining how long to suspend Jokic? Your entire line of reasoning is idiotic.

[tontoz]

You know the owners dont hand out the punishments for these incidents right? Joe Dumars does.

He must be racist too.


:roll:

[Duffy Pratt]

The suspension took into account the disproportionate nature of the hit. Or at least it tried to.

The disproportionate nature also did a lot to protect Jokic from similar cheap shots afterwards. I think there are lots of players who think twice before hitting Jokic the way Morris did. If Jokic had responded reasonably, he probably would have faced a lot more crap from other players during the last three years.

On this, I am in general agreement with the racists on TNT:

https://youtu.be/GiIIjopTiwc?si=2tVuqE00UL_CTUQV

Oh, and by the way, some other racists who didn’t have a problem with Jokic’s retaliation include Shannon Sharp, Stephen A Smith and Kendrick Perkins. (Ernie Johnson and Skip Bayless were the two people I’ve seen at the time who thought it might be too much.).

[Neal Romer]

On this, I am in general agreement with the racists on TNT:

https://youtu.be/GiIIjopTiwc?si=2tVuqE00UL_CTUQV


Ehh, Kenny's the only one on TNT who resents white people. I think its a New York City thing. Him and Stephen A and Spike Lee.

Back when they grew up neighborhoods were all divided among blacks, italians, irish, jews, puerto ricans, chinese. And they all beefed with each other. They hated other groups and other groups hated them.

In the south there was a more universal culture. A lot of political tensions yeah, but on a personal level people generally got along better with each other than in big cities up north.

[bdonovan]

The suspension took into account the disproportionate nature of the hit. Or at least it tried to.

The disproportionate nature also did a lot to protect Jokic from similar cheap shots afterwards. I think there are lots of players who think twice before hitting Jokic the way Morris did. If Jokic had responded reasonably, he probably would have faced a lot more crap from other players during the last three years.

On this, I am in general agreement with the racists on TNT:

https://youtu.be/GiIIjopTiwc?si=2tVuqE00UL_CTUQV

Oh, and by the way, some other racists who didn’t have a problem with Jokic’s retaliation include Shannon Sharp, Stephen A Smith and Kendrick Perkins. (Ernie Johnson and Skip Bayless were the two people I’ve seen at the time who thought it might be too much.).

Were you able to explain why Jokic was able to injure his opponent for 58 games and only got a 1 game suspension?

It's not about "racism"; it's subconscious bias to see events in narrative form, projecting ourselves as the victim and the person who's not like us as the villain. Harvard studies show that almost everyone exhibits this kind of unconscious bias. We think "I resemble Jokic in some way, and if some black guy like Morris hit me (and he has a reputation), I want to be able to hit back."

We got lost in that narrative and lose sight of proportionality.

[tontoz]

Were you able to explain why Jokic was able to injure his opponent for 58 games and only got a 1 game suspension?

It's not about "racism"; it's subconscious bias to see events in narrative form, projecting ourselves as the victim and the person who's not like us as the villain. Harvard studies show that almost everyone exhibits this kind of unconscious bias. We think "I resemble Jokic in some way, and if some black guy like Morris hit me (and he has a reputation), I want to be able to hit back."

We got lost in that narrative and lose sight of proportionality.


Again with this idiotic argument. Think about what you are saying. You are saying Dumars should have looked into the future to see how many games Morris would miss before determining how long to suspend Jokic. That makes no sense. He doesn't have a time stone. You have watched too many MCU movies.

[Real Men Wear Green]

The problem with that kind of thinking is that it expects Jokic to consider how hard he's allowed to hit the guy that just got him. It's a heated moment and Jokic was not out there looking to get into a fight. Morris is the instigator. You don't get to hit the man out of nowhere and then expect him to consider how much he may be about to damage you. You're not his girlfriend playfighting.

[Duffy Pratt]

Were you able to explain why Jokic was able to injure his opponent for 58 games and only got a 1 game suspension?

It's not about "racism"; it's subconscious bias to see events in narrative form, projecting ourselves as the victim and the person who's not like us as the villain. Harvard studies show that almost everyone exhibits this kind of unconscious bias. We think "I resemble Jokic in some way, and if some black guy like Morris hit me (and he has a reputation), I want to be able to hit back."

We got lost in that narrative and lose sight of proportionality.

Suspensions are not levied based on the number of games the other player misses. Were they supposed to hold Joker out until after Morris returned? Or were they supposed to wait on the suspension until after they knew how many games he sat out? Or suspend him a second time when it was clear how long he sat out?

The suspension is given based on the nature of the violence. Morris cheap shot Joker and got $50k fine. Joker hit back Morris similarly and got $100k and a one game suspension. I think that’s about right. The guys on TNT all thought it should be about the same for each player, and about a game, although they personally would not even have done that. You think that it should have ended Joker’s career. So be it.

[ArbitraryWater]

Morris dindu nuffin

:roll:

[Full Court]

I know Jokic got a lot of cricism for that, but sometimes you just have to slap a fool around. :confusedshrug:

It's about setting precedent.