Jamal Murray flew to New York between games on the current Nuggets trip to watch UFC

[999Guy]

Last night, he finished with 13 points, 6 turnovers, 6-15 FG as Denver loses to the Grizzlies without Morant in Memphis.

This guy is why titles are overrated. He had one amazing playoff run, got a title, and has been fat lazy piece of shit since. Remember when Anthony Davis sucked for like two years after the 2020 playoff run and title?

These guys get taught to believe titles are all that matters, win one, and then mentally take YEARS off thinking they're accomplished. Meanwhile Jokic who is playing out of this world, should be demanding a trade or a personal trainer for soggy Jamal.

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[ArbitraryWater]

Its only been 1 year/post-season since that title though.

And he still seems to have it in big games. Dropped 35 in the Minny game 7 on good percentages.

If he disappoints again this year, you gotta give Joke better.

[Kblaze8855]

They think they’re accomplished because they are. You can be all time elite but without the ring you get clowned for life like Barkley. You get “Yea but he didn’t…” literally till the day you die. Not winning is gonna be in the obituary of some of these dudes. I literally just looked up Elgin Baylor obituary. End of the first paragraph:




He is ranked among the best NBA players of all time, and some have called him the greatest NBA player who never won a championship.





You will hear about that shit till the day you die and your family will hear about it at your funeral. It will be a central point of TV segments as sad music plays to announce your passing.

You win…there’s nothing to be said.

This is the world we created.

“Didn’t win it all tho….” is gonna be on your headstone if you don’t have the 15 things out of your control happen at the right time to make you a champion.

[iamgine]

This guy is why titles are overrated. He had one amazing playoff run, got a title, and has been fat lazy piece of shit since.



He had a couple. The other run he was even better than the title run.

[ImKobe]

He had a couple. The other run he was even better than the title run.

Guess he's Jimmy 2.0 lol. Never gonna take RS seriously enough/not durable enough to play consistently, but goes up a few levels in the POs and turns into prime Kobe/MJ in crunch time. At least Jimmy made a bunch of ASGs and All-NBA teams.

24/5/6 on 56.6%TS Playoff career averages for a 0-time All-Star is wild. This is not 1 or 2 fluke runs either, 65 games is a relatively large sample size.

[L.Kizzle]

He'll never be an All-Star.

[tontoz]

Why would this even matter? Would watching the fights wear him out somehow?

[SouBeachTalents]

Why would this even matter? Would watching the fights wear him out somehow?
He's claiming that flying from their game in Nawlins on Friday to NY for the fight on Saturday then back to Memphis for their game yesterday affected his performance.

While it's pure speculation, I don't think it's an outlandish claim, I still remember Vince Carter flying to North Carolina for his graduation the morning of Game 7 in 2001, then stinking up the joint in Philly, including bricking the game winner.

[tontoz]

He's claiming that flying from their game in Nawlins on Friday to NY for the fight on Saturday then back to Memphis for their game yesterday affected his performance.

While it's pure speculation, I don't think it's an outlandish claim, I still remember Vince Carter flying to North Carolina for his graduation the morning of Game 7 in 2001, then stinking up the joint in Philly, including bricking the game winner.

It was his day off and it's November. Not the same thing as the day of a game 7.

A lot of guys play golf on their day off. I don't see the problem.

[Kblaze8855]

He's claiming that flying from their game in Nawlins on Friday to NY for the fight on Saturday then back to Memphis for their game yesterday affected his performance.

While it's pure speculation, I don't think it's an outlandish claim, I still remember Vince Carter flying to North Carolina for his graduation the morning of Game 7 in 2001, then stinking up the joint in Philly, including bricking the game winner.

How much do you think is lost sitting on a plane for three hours quite possibly asleep in first class? What are we thinking he would be doing in New Orleans if he didn’t go? Laying in the hotel watching film?

last time I was in New Orleans I was in a pretty nice hotel and 30 seconds outside the front door there was a man in drag singing Whitney Houston’s saving all my love for you at the top of his lungs in front of a shop that had buy one get one free daiquiris.

Im sure if he were of a mind to have a good time he could wear himself out as easily in New Orleans as New York.

[SouBeachTalents]

How much do you think is lost sitting on a plane for three hours quite possibly asleep in first class? What are we thinking he would be doing in New Orleans if he didn’t go? Laying in the hotel watching film?

last time I was in New Orleans I was in a pretty nice hotel and 30 seconds outside the front door there was a man in drag singing Whitney Houston’s saving all my love for you at the top of his lungs in front of a shop that had buy one get one free daiquiris.

Im sure if he were of a mind to have a good time he could wear himself out as easily in New Orleans as New York.
I honestly don't care enough about it to speculate one way or the other, tontoz just seemed to misunderstand OP's point so I was pointing that out to him. You're right that it very well would have made zero difference in his performance, but when you make leisure trips in the middle of a road trip to a different city, then don't perform well the next game, like it or not you open yourself up these criticisms.

I honestly do think in the Vince Carter example that his trip affected his performance, since his was the same day.

[Kblaze8855]

I honestly don't care enough about it to speculate one way or the other, tontoz just seemed to misunderstand OP's point so I was pointing that out to him. You're right that it very well would have made zero difference in his performance, but when you make leisure trips in the middle of a road trip to a different city, then don't perform well the next game, like it or not you open yourself up these criticisms.

I honestly do think in the Vince Carter example that his trip affected his performance, since his was the same day.



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[tpols]

I mean... Jon Jones is the GOAT mma fighter and it was at MSG. That's a major event.

And the way Jones won was epic. He basically kicked the opponents ribs in with a spinning back kick. That type of stuff is why boxers can't **** with ufc fighters. They can cripple your body with kicks.

[tontoz]

I mean... Jon Jones is the GOAT mma fighter and it was at MSG. That's a major event.

And the way Jones won was epic. He basically kicked the opponents ribs in with a spinning back kick. That type of stuff is why boxers can't **** with ufc fighters. They can cripple your body with kicks.


Yeah that kick hurt me just watching it. Ugh

Pretty rare for a fight to be ended on a body shot.

[tpols]

Yeah that kick hurt me just watching it. Ugh

Pretty rare for a fight to be ended on a body shot.


I don't know if you ever saw it but back when Brock Lesnar was a champion heavyweight, he had a fight with Alistair Overeem where he got his liver damn near kicked through his back.

Body shots can be just as devastating as head shots, it's just the knockouts look cooler because the opponent loses consciousness. But taking a KO to the body they're fully aware of the pain and suffering without being able to move.

[tontoz]

I don't know if you ever saw it but back when Brock Lesnar was a champion heavyweight, he had a fight with Alistair Overeem where he got his liver damn near kicked through his back.

Body shots can be just as devastating as head shots, it's just the knockouts look cooler because the opponent loses consciousness. But taking a KO to the body they're fully aware of the pain and suffering without being able to move.


Yeah i saw the Brock fight. Brock had diverticulitis at that time which may have made him more susceptible to body shots.

[highwhey]

here we go AGAIN, blame everyone but jokic.

doesn't jokic have a reputation of being indifferent about basketball? as in, it's not his priority or passion? self-admittedly.

[Mask the Embiid]

OP is a sad sack of potatoes.

[tontoz]

here we go AGAIN, blame everyone but jokic.

doesn't jokic have a reputation of being indifferent about basketball? as in, it's not his priority or passion? self-admittedly.


Jokic is currently leading the league in rebounds and assists while averaging 29.7 ppg with a TS of 66.7%. He's been the best player in the league by far.

[highwhey]

Jokic is currently leading the league in rebounds and assists while averaging 29.7 ppg with a TS of 66.7%. He's been the best player in the league by far.

thats great, if he doesn't win a title then it will be as meaningful as rusell westbrook's triple double.

and it won't be murrays fault.

[tontoz]

thats great, if he doesn't win a title then it will be as meaningful as rusell westbrook's triple double.

and it won't be murrays fault.


It just shows that Jokic is still the best player in the league. Nobody with any sense viewed Russ as the best player in the league.

If Murray wets the bed like he did in the 2nd round he will definitely get blamed. He was awful.

[tpols]

thats great, if he doesn't win a title then it will be as meaningful as rusell westbrook's triple double.

and it won't be murrays fault.


He... already won a title in totally dominant fashion.

[Kblaze8855]

It just shows that Jokic is still the best player in the league. Nobody with any sense viewed Russ as the best player in the league.

If Murray wets the bed like he did in the 2nd round he will definitely get blamed. He was awful.

Im not sure any distant second ever has before. You can definitely argue they should have at times but how often does the other guy get remembered as the scapegoat? History doesn’t look very hard.

Hakeem was getting shit on for a bunch of early losses on here once and it included the year he put up 38/17 3 steals and 2 blocks a game. Nobody brought up Sampson went 7-22 when Hakeem had 49/26/6 blocks getting eliminated. People still mocking Kareem for his 70s success like he didn’t destroy everyone in front of him.

In time…the other guys baaaaaarely seen to exist. It shouldn’t be that way…but it usually is.

[SouBeachTalents]

The only 2nd option I feel really took the blame for their loss was Starks, which is ironic because if they sealed the deal in Game 6, he would've likely been the FMVP.

Simmons definitely took the blame for that Hawks loss back in 2021 too.

[highwhey]

It just shows that Jokic is still the best player in the league. Nobody with any sense viewed Russ as the best player in the league.

If Murray wets the bed like he did in the 2nd round he will definitely get blamed. He was awful.

but why is it always murray's fault? ether the team they have is adequate or not, there's no in-between. so if they are not adequate, jokic pulled a miracle by winning a title, but then all of a sudden they couldn't get past minnesota so it's murrays fault, not jokic?

OK. i believe that is a double standard.

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[tontoz]

but why is it always murray's fault? ether the team they have is adequate or not, there's no in-between. so if they are not adequate, jokic pulled a miracle by winning a title, but then all of a sudden they couldn't get past minnesota so it's murrays fault, not jokic?

OK. i believe that is a double standard.

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Jokic averaged 29/11/8 against Minny with a TS of 60%.

Murray averaged 18/4/4 with a TS of 48%. He was awful.

Jokic almost carried the team past Minny in spite of his second best player wetting the bed. That series was just another example of how good Jokic really is.

[highwhey]

Jokic averaged 29/11/8 against Minny with a TS of 60%.

Murray averaged 18/4/4 with a TS of 48%. He was awful.

Jokic almost carried the team past Minny in spite of his second best player wetting the bed. That series was just another example of how good Jokic really is.

:roll::roll::roll:

murray had a better game 7 than jokic

game 7 jokic %: 46% fg; 20% 3pt


WHY DON'T THEY HELP JOKIC

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[SouBeachTalents]

You know you don't have much material to work with when you're literally trying to argue a 34/19/7 on 55%TS Game 7 against the best defense in the league is some bad performance :lol

You're holding Jokic to legitimate GOAT standards trying to claim that was a bad game by him.

[highwhey]

You know you don't have much material to work with when you're literally trying to claim a 34/19/7 on 55%TS Game 7 against the best defense in the league is some bad performance :lol

Wasn't talking to you pal. but i'll grace you with my attention, who said it was a bad performance? maybe it was both good but just not enough? maybe, it's not always murray or the rest of the team's fault?


maybe ts is absolute bullshit like in this scenario where he was bricking shots but his 80% ft is keeping his ys% <50%, because without his ft shooting his ts would be less than 50%

[tontoz]

:roll::roll::roll:

murray had a better game 7 than jokic

game 7 jokic %: 46% fg; 20% 3pt


WHY DON'T THEY HELP JOKIC




You do realize it is a 7 game series right?

So Murray scoring 1 more point means he had a better game? What about Joker getting 16 more rebounds and 4 more assists? I guess those don't count, right?

[ArbitraryWater]

thats great, if he doesn't win a title then it will be as meaningful as rusell westbrook's triple double.

and it won't be murrays fault.

Hows that?


Murray is free to stink up the joint while Jokic plays at the highest level in the world and at the end it wont be Murrays fault?


This upside down day?

:D

[tontoz]

Wasn't talking to you pal. but i'll grace you with my attention, who said it was a bad performance? maybe it was both good but just not enough? maybe, it's not always murray or the rest of the team's fault?


maybe ts is absolute bullshit like in this scenario where he was bricking shots but his 80% ft is keeping his ys% <50%, because without his ft shooting his ts would be less than 50%


:roll:

Math obviously isn't your strong suit.

He only attempted 7 foul shots. If he missed all of them his TS would have been 50% exactly, 28 points on 28 shots from the field.

:roll:

[highwhey]

You do realize it is a 7 game series right?

So Murray scoring 1 more point means he had a better game? What about Joker getting 16 more rebounds and 4 more assists? I guess those don't count, right?

see, this sh1t right here. 16 rEbOUndS

literally no one cares about boards, unless its jokic getting them then its all of a sudden such an impactful stat :facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

Hows that?


Murray is free to stink up the joint while Jokic plays at the highest level in the world and at the end it wont be Murrays fault?


This upside down day?

:D


are you aware that Wilt had years where his Two best teammates shot 32 and 37% in the playoffs? Or are you just aware that he won two titles?

Kareem in 77 playoffs

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Nobody gives a **** with Don Chaney averages. People talk about him all time it comes up every time that he didn’t win enough in the 70s.


Ultimately? Legends of that tier get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing and that’s just the way it’s always going to be.

Bill Russell aside, of course, as he was painstakingly chiseled from a block of pure victory before being given life to show us all the way.

[highwhey]

Hows that?


Murray is free to stink up the joint while Jokic plays at the highest level in the world and at the end it wont be Murrays fault?


This upside down day?

:D

nah, the point is jokic gets all the credit when they win, but when they lose it's everyone else fault but jokic. it doesn't work that way. if jokic can drop 30 pts then he's a great scorer, but if his teammates are often coming up short on the scoreboard, maybe jokic isn't as great as people think?

a great player raises the floor for the entire team.

[highwhey]

are you aware that Wilt had years where his Two best teammates shot 32 and 37% in the playoffs? Or are you just aware that he won two titles?

Ultimately? Legends of that tier get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing and that’s just the way it’s always going to be.

Bill Russell aside, of course, as he was painstakingly chiseled from a block of pure victory before being given life to show us all the way.

i don't know of any other player that has a double standard applied to them like jokic. the funny thing is even when braun or porter or murray don't score well, they're in the trenches playing elite level defense that allows the team to stay afloat, which is a catch 22 bc without their contributions on defense they don't make a deep playoff run...so you kind of need them since jokic isn't a good defender.

[Neal Romer]

nah, the point is jokic gets all the credit when they win, but when they lose it's everyone else fault but jokic. it doesn't work that way. if jokic can drop 30 pts then he's a great scorer, but if his teammates are often coming up short on the scoreboard, maybe jokic isn't as great as people think?

a great player raises the floor for the entire team.


From whom? I honestly... dont remember it this way at all. People gave Murray a ton of credit for being a guy who stepped up in the playoffs. People talked about how devastating Bubble Murray was, and then after he did it again in their finals run they called him Playoff Murray.

Aaron Gordon was also nearly an allstar that year, people took notice how well he played in the regular season while Murray and Porter were working their way back from injury. People talked about the quality of their bench guys and how difficult it would be to replace them if they were let go.

I dont recall anyone saying Jokic carried scrubs, or Jokic did it all by himself. I think youre misremembering that entirely. Unless there was some thread on here or elsewhere that I missed. But I really dont ever recall people saying he had no help during their finals run.

[Kblaze8855]

i don't know of any other player that has a double standard applied to them like jokic. the funny thing is even when braun or porter or murray don't score well, they're in the trenches playing elite level defense that allows the team to stay afloat, which is a catch 22 bc without their contributions on defense they don't make a deep playoff run...so you kind of need them since jokic isn't a good defender.

You stumbled on your trolling there calling Porter an elite defender. Find your footing. The sun isn’t up yet. You can troll a while longer before turning to stone.

[highwhey]

You stumbled on your trolling there calling Porter an elite defender. Find your footing. The sun isn’t up yet. You can troll a while longer before turning to stone.

i'd say anyone able to contain KD in a playoffs series is elite :confusedshrug:

[Kblaze8855]

i'd say anyone able to contain KD in a playoffs series is elite :confusedshrug:


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[Rockstar]

Murray has not even been better than Austin reaves this year.

[John8204]

Jon Jones fights like once a year and it's november basketball. Murray is never going to be a Hall of Famer and he's gotten a huge bag...who cares?

Denver got it's title that's all that matters...Jokic doesn't care about being a part of a dynasty he's doing reverse Moses Malone

[highwhey]

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that was the DUMBEST ban ever blaze. i would expect such pettiness from the other mod, not you. smh.

future negged.

[Kblaze8855]

Rest assured I wouldn’t have done it if I knew you were so quick to clutch your pearls.

[highwhey]

Rest assured I wouldn’t have done it if I knew you were so quick to clutch your pearls.

it got a chuckle out of me. but i have responsibilities to ISHERS. i am on a very important mission to expose a certain poster that poses a threat to this forum.

i sure could use the help of mrfonzworth though, if you can find it in your graces to unban him.

[ArbitraryWater]

are you aware that Wilt had years where his Two best teammates shot 32 and 37% in the playoffs? Or are you just aware that he won two titles?

Kareem in 77 playoffs

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Nobody gives a **** with Don Chaney averages. People talk about him all time it comes up every time that he didn’t win enough in the 70s.


Ultimately? Legends of that tier get too much credit for winning and too much blame for losing and that’s just the way it’s always going to be.

Bill Russell aside, of course, as he was painstakingly chiseled from a block of pure victory before being given life to show us all the way.


Youre having a totally different discussion.


Youre talking about how its remembered or if facts are forgotten over time.

highwey and I are talking about who is to blame, in the now.

[ArbitraryWater]

nah, the point is jokic gets all the credit when they win, but when they lose it's everyone else fault but jokic. it doesn't work that way. if jokic can drop 30 pts then he's a great scorer, but if his teammates are often coming up short on the scoreboard, maybe jokic isn't as great as people think?

a great player raises the floor for the entire team.


No he doesnt.


He gets all the credit cause he plays well. Pretty much all the time.


That IS how it works / should work.

[Kblaze8855]

Youre having a totally different discussion.


Youre talking about how its remembered or if facts are forgotten over time.

highwey and I are talking about who is to blame, in the now.


that is pretty much how it works even now though. It’s also how it worked at the time. You can pull up articles where even the blazer players are laughing about the narrative being Bill Walton kicked Kareem‘s ass. I’ve seen interviews of Bill Walton, laughing about it even back then. Talking about how he got destroyed and nobody can do anything with Kareem. but the public perception was that he was the new best center. Kareem was salty about it as you can imagine. Wrote about it in a couple books.

I realize the lens of history isn’t exactly what you’re talking about right now and that’s fine. I’m just saying you don’t win and ultimately the blame is put on the best player because nobody gives a shit what the other people did. It’s not right it just is what it is.

he retires with one ring the narrative is going to be “So all those stats and one ring? Not my goat” And there is nothing to be done about that.