I know the money is good but at what point do you retire for mental health reasons?

[Real Men Wear Green]

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[highwhey]

thats how kamala voters do layups

[999Guy]

He just has no passion for the game at all. The only thing driving him to be good was ego. But now that he's lost confidence, there's nothing left. He has no status in the league. No respect by anyone.

This dude put up Scottie Pippen numbers as a rookie. And he went on to not develop a single dribble move for the rest of his career. Disgusting.

What else is he passionate about to retire? Even if you don't care about it, competing in the NBA consumes all your talent and attention. There's really no other development in life this guy has garnered up to be something else. To say nothing about the money.

Only thing that can save him is some coach that can give him his confidence again. Whatever team that signs him will be betting on that. I'm not sure a team wants to sign this version of him. He's like current Draymond except not nearly as good defensively.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What else is he passionate about to retire? Even if you don't care about it, competing in the NBA consumes all your talent and attention. There's really no other development in life this guy has garnered up to be something else. To say nothing about the money.The main problem with this statement is that you use the word "competing." He is not. He missed that lay up the way that he missed it because of the issues going on in his head. We have heard players going through rough times in their personal lives talk about how the court is a sanctuary for them. For Simmons the opposite has happened. I see that lay up and along with so many other things, including and especially all the missed games, and can't help but conclude that he hates his job.

Only thing that can save him is some coach that can give him his confidence again. Whatever team that signs him will be betting on that. I'm not sure a team wants to sign this version of him. He's like current Draymond except not nearly as good defensively. This is disrespectful to Draymond Green. You know why Simmons wouldn't get a flagrant or tech like the ones Green gets? Because he doesn't care enough. Draymond Green is an undersized "big" that a lot of seasons struggles as a shooter and is not particularly athletic. His natural talent would normally lead to a 12th man career if he made the NBA at all. But instead of that he's managed to carve out a hall of fame career with smarts, hustle, and a bit of psycho competitor. He's the exact opposite of Ben Simmons who is as talented as many of the guys you might list as being in the top 10 but has made himself into a scrub by being scared and weak-minded. No coach can fix this. NBA coaches are used to dealing with guys that may be a bit spoiled or arrogant but want to play badly and can't get enough of shots and glory. They have no idea how to deal with someone that doesn't want to play other than bench and ignore him. Larry Brown once said, "I don't coach effort (or something like that)." He should go find something that he wants to do and do that. I'm sure he's got millions unless he's been insane off the court, no need to continue this farce.

[Kblaze8855]

Draymond quietly shoots 45% from 3 and shot 40% last year too.

[Neal Romer]

Actually I think this is a legit issue in the league at this point.

Theres at least a handful of guys who should be and would be retired either for physical or mental reasons if this was 30 years ago, but theres just too much money on their current deals to give up.

Im not gonna name people specifically like Kawhi, but theres a few guys out there who shall remain anonymous.

[Neal Romer]

Speaking of Draymond, he might be another player who shall remain anonymous that might have decided not to stick around for mental reasons, if he wasnt making an impossible amount of money to justify giving up.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d say the opposite. 30 years ago Dray wouldn’t even stand out as unusually physical or aggressive. The standard is just so different he looks crazy compared to current players. Guys who did more physical things and/or were equally demonstrative in the 90s never even developed a reputation for it because it wasn’t that unusual.

Larry Johnson would slap you in the face hard foul you take you out in some dirty fashion and go crazy over a slight at a greater rate than Draymond Green. But Draymond will get his second technical and be ejected for just the kind of conduct Larry might do celebrating a dunk.

Nobody would question Draymond’s mental health 30 years ago. Hes no mad max Stealing on fans and having punisher style brawls in weight rooms with his teammates. And you could argue for a while Hakeem was more prone to just slap you in the face than Vernon and Hakeem escaped the era with no reputation for even being that kind of guy.

Big men were expected to be bullies back then. The nice guys like David Robinson were mocked.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Green has had instances of poor impulse control, faili g to fall in line with the current standards that don't allow much violence. But he's not crazy. Only thing I can think of with him off the court was a fight with some football player at Michigan state. A guy like Miles Bridges is far more crazy.

[Kblaze8855]

Green has had in batsmen of poor impulse control, fail lung to fall in line with the current standards that don my allow much violence. But he's not crazy. Only thing I can think of with him off the court was a fight with some football player at Michigan state. A guy like Miles Bridges is far more crazy.

Who is it that was talking about he needed counseling after he had some mild flagrant foul? Nurkic?

If they think Dray is out of control and crazy? If these people saw Karl Malone’s career dirty play reel, they would be assembling a swat team to go kill him for the good of society.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It was Nurkic. Sounded soft as hell but I suspect he was just trying to work the refs/get him into more trouble.

The cell phone posts are getting horrific.

[Neal Romer]

I dont think Green is literally crazy or anything, my point is just I dont think he cares that much about his career anymore. Back in the day you werent risking suspension by punching a teammate or pimp smacking Jusuf Nurkic in broad daylight.

Draymond is doing "I dont care if I get kicked out of basketball at this point" stuff, and I just have to figure if it werent for the money involved hed have already moved on to just doing his podcast full time, the way old timers would move on to fishing full time once they just werent hungry to keep playing anymore.

Nowadays nobody wants to retire because of all the enormous power that comes with these huge paydays. The league doesnt care if many players are way overpaid for what they produce, because they havent seen evidence yet that the fans care. If the fans ever do care, the league might have to change some things.

[GOBB]

Draymond quietly shoots 45% from 3 and shot 40% last year too.

Kinda irrelevant. The difference is one is a dog one is not. You can’t teach someone to be a dog. They either have it or don’t. Ben is a cat.

[Full Court]

Kinda irrelevant. The difference is one is a dog one is not. You can’t teach someone to be a dog. They either have it or don’t. Ben is a cat.

I see him as more of a marmot.

[Axe]

He should go to the g-league. His regression as a player is just astounding.


You have never had a relevant thought in your entire life. You are arrogant and stupid enough to think that someone just chooses these things and has the ability to live a completely happy life denying that their feelings exist. You would push laws on other people that in no way affects your own pursuit of happiness unless your happiness requires the repression of others self expression. Basically... you're an asshole.
Brutal. :yaohappy:

[ralph_i_el]

In college, they timed Simmons' end-to-end sprint, and it was the fastest ever recorded for a prospect.

He leaned so hard on the face that he's 6'10" and that quick, that he never actually polished his fundamentals. He's not even a good passer, he just had the ball in his hands a lot.

People see those early season stats and think he was good....he was not. He'd just force a bunch of transition attempts, which minimized the amount of time his lack of shooting was killing his team in the halfcourt. The issue is, he has a high turnover rate in transition...because he's not actually that good a passer. It's easy to rack up high assist totals if they put the ball in your hands a lot, but you never want to shoot it.

Ben Simmons has always been a bum.

[999Guy]

In college, they timed Simmons' end-to-end sprint, and it was the fastest ever recorded for a prospect.

He leaned so hard on the face that he's 6'10" and that quick, that he never actually polished his fundamentals. He's not even a good passer, he just had the ball in his hands a lot.

People see those early season stats and think he was good....he was not. He'd just force a bunch of transition attempts, which minimized the amount of time his lack of shooting was killing his team in the halfcourt. The issue is, he has a high turnover rate in transition...because he's not actually that good a passer. It's easy to rack up high assist totals if they put the ball in your hands a lot, but you never want to shoot it.

Ben Simmons has always been a bum.
He scored at a higher rate than Prime Jason Kidd on better efficiency. Let's not revise history, he was a clearly good player. He simply did not improve, at all, year to year. Legitimately peaked as a rookie.

[Manny98]

Well it's his contract year and I don't see a team picking him up for more than a minimum

He's made over 200 million for his career so wouldn't be surprised if he stops playing after this season and enjoys the rest of his life in Cancun

[ralph_i_el]

He scored at a higher rate than Prime Jason Kidd on better efficiency. Let's not revise history, he was a clearly good player. He simply did not improve, at all, year to year. Legitimately peaked as a rookie.

So did Nick Young, idgaf.

I just looked it up. His rookie year he led the league in passes made per game at 74 (second closest was 66). He was second in the league in passes received (78.3). He actually had a below-average assist-per-pass rate. Compared to the other players leading the league in touches, he was WAY lower in terms of points-per-touch. He was 32nd percentile in overall efficiency in transition (aka bottom third of the league).

He just got to touch the ball a lot because he was the top pick. With the amount of touches and freedom he had, his counting numbers weren't impressive. The advanced stats were worse. I've been saying this since he scored 1 point in that playoff game.