Lavine and Vucevic being actively shopped.

[Kblaze8855]

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That something you might be interested in?

[Neal Romer]

Vucevic finally having his first good statistical stretch of his whole Chicago career, probably makes sense to sell high on him. All positions are saturated with talent right now tho, not sure theres gonna be a whole lotta return on him regardless.

Same with Lavine. You can move him if you wanna move him. But are you gonna get a deal that does anything significant for Chicago's future? Im guessing no.

[Neal Romer]

That said, a deal of Lavine/Vuc together for DLo, Rui, Wood, Vanderbilt, Vincent, and Hood-Schiafino DOES work.

So kindly get that done, Rob Pelinka.

[90sgoat]

Vucevic is definitely capable, particularly off the bench.

Lavine I wouldn't want unless he'd be a third option.

[Full Court]

About freaking time. I like Vuc, but he's past his prime. Lavine is a net negative and should have been traded 2 years ago. Bulls are never going anywhere while Lavine is the franchise player.

[Street Hunger]

The Bulls never seem to get past being a .500 team. They hover there for a few seasons and then rebuild

[tontoz]

Hard to trade Lavine when he's making 45 million next year. Vuc should be easier to trade.

[hold this L]

Exactly. Who on earth would want Lavine on that awful contract? The new CBA rules make it harder for all the retarded contracts that GMs regularly give out to mid players with impunity.

[Kblaze8855]

In a Guys like Desmond Bane, Siakam, Michael Porter, Van Vleet and Ben Simmons are all in or near the 40s It’s just an issue of finding a team that has decided what they’re doing isn’t gonna work and they want out next year instead of three or four years from now. You don’t trade for him because you think he’s the missing piece. You trade for him because you have somebody else who definitely isn’t what you’re looking for but you have to pay them till 2028.

I don’t know what the 2026 free agent class looks like, but I think Luka can opt out. There’s always something like that with teams, looking ahead to put themselves in the mix.

Like the heat paying a max contract to guys like Jermaine O’Neal when they were washed. Then you realized it was because they expire the same year as the greatest free agent class of all time.

People on huge contracts have been the key to a number of situations. You just have to stop looking at it as paying for basketball services. Towards the end of some big deals people are just paid to fill a spot.

[tontoz]

Lavine has a player option for 48 million for '26/27. That is a problem. If he didn't and next year was his last year then it would be a lot easier.

[Kblaze8855]

I wonder if he thinks he would get another deal on the open market if he opts out. Just looking around the league he would get some thing of course I just don’t know what he thinks that would be. 200 million going forward isn’t 200 million looking back. You think he’s at a place where he thinks as a free agent somebody like the Pistons Call and offer him two years 42 million and that’s the best he could do?

He strikes me as the classic contract year guy who will try to have a good showing and put out some feelers to see if he should opt out.

I wouldn’t pay him personally, and I’m sure you wouldn’t either but we all know that has nothing to do with what NBA teams do.

[Meticode]

About freaking time. I like Vuc, but he's past his prime. Lavine is a net negative and should have been traded 2 years ago. Bulls are never going anywhere while Lavine is the franchise player.

I don't disagree about Vucevic being past his prime, but the crazy thing is he's shooting by far his highest field goal percentage in his career ever by more than 6% and shooting three's by over 7% better than any season in his career. Also true shooting percentage is 11% higher than any point of his career.

21/10/3 on 58/48/84 is a legit 2nd or 3rd option.

[Big_Dogg]

The Bulls want picks for both of them and nobody giving up picks for a $45m salary dump and a past his prime C.

Vuc had his prime wasted in Chicago, a bit of a shame but he could pretty much slot into most teams and contribute

[PeroAntic]

Add Lavine to a superstar duo and that team instantly becomes a title favorite. The guy is 50/40/90, and with the quickness and handle he has hes virtually impossible to guard. People don't realize how rare his scoring skillset it. He is one of those players that have been overrated for a while due to potential (he never became a good defender unfortunately), and the reaction to that actually made them underrated.

But whoever thought Lavine and Vucic together could make for a good one two punch need to get their heads examined. They basically need all the other three players to be all defense level in order to have barely a shot at winning.

[Meticode]

Add Lavine to a superstar duo and that team instantly becomes a title favorite. The guy is 50/40/90, and with the quickness and handle he has hes virtually impossible to guard. People don't realize how rare his scoring skillset it. He is one of those players that have been overrated for a while due to potential (he never became a good defender unfortunately), and the reaction to that actually made them underrated.

But whoever thought Lavine and Vucic together could make for a good one two punch need to get their heads examined. They basically need all the other three players to be all defense level in order to have barely a shot at winning.
I have a couple things I want to mention.

Lavine has never shot 50/40/90 for a season or extended period of time, but he is a legit 50/40/85 threat. I just wanted to correct this because I'm OCD. Not a huge deal.

I don't think anyone thought they'd be a legit 1-2 punch. These players were there when they had DeRozan and Ball healthy and they were running a lineup off featuring Vucevic, DeRozan, LaVine and Ball. I just think the Bulls are upping their trade value.

LaVine's contract is horrible. I'd be surprised if anyone will take that on or want it. Vucevic should get moved. Blow it up.

[PeroAntic]

I don't think anyone thought they'd be a legit 1-2 punch. These players were there when they had DeRozan and Ball healthy and they were running a lineup off featuring Vucevic, DeRozan, LaVine and Ball. I just think the Bulls are upping their trade value.


Derozan is also a poor defender. 3 out of 5 players bad on defense? Just a bad strategy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Add Lavine to a superstar duo and that team instantly becomes a title favorite. The guy is 50/40/90, and with the quickness and handle he has hes virtually impossible to guard. People don't realize how rare his scoring skillset it. He is one of those players that have been overrated for a while due to potential (he never became a good defender unfortunately), and the reaction to that actually made them underrated.

But whoever thought Lavine and Vucic together could make for a good one two punch need to get their heads examined. They basically need all the other three players to be all defense level in order to have barely a shot at winning.

Which team do you add Lavine to and it makes them better than the Celtics?

[PeroAntic]

Which team do you add Lavine to and it makes them better than the Celtics?
Heat
Warriors
Nuggets
Grizzlies
Lakers

I don't know if they would be better than a perfectly constructed roster in the Celtics because a lot depends on role players (and this is where Lavine's contract is a major obstacle) but ceteris paribus as far as big threes go, its as good as it gets and they are going toe to toe with Boston

[Axe]

Add Lavine to a superstar duo and that team instantly becomes a title favorite. The guy is 50/40/90, and with the quickness and handle he has hes virtually impossible to guard. People don't realize how rare his scoring skillset it. He is one of those players that have been overrated for a while due to potential (he never became a good defender unfortunately), and the reaction to that actually made them underrated.

But whoever thought Lavine and Vucic together could make for a good one two punch need to get their heads examined. They basically need all the other three players to be all defense level in order to have barely a shot at winning.
If he's really a potential player you make him seem to be, then he should have made multiple trips to the playoffs by now considering he's been playing in the league for a decade already. Sad to say he's only made it once but it's possible he makes it more by sending him to a stronger team (who may dislike him btw) at the expense of being a starter. Lonzo ball before his season-ending injuries two years ago has more overall value to the bulls simply by being a floor raiser.

[PeroAntic]

If he's a potential player you make him seem to be, then he should have made multiple trips to the playoffs by now considering he's been playing in the league for a decade already. Sad to say he's only made it once but it's possible he makes it more by sending him to a stronger team (who may dislike him btw) at the expense of being a starter. Lonzo ball before his season-ending injuries two years ago has more value as a floor raiser.

Were talking about ceiling raisers here not floor raisers. MJ didn't make the playoffs for a long time too. Means nothing in the big picture.

[Axe]

So tell us how could he be more relevant in the league that way if he doesn't engage enough to compete against more prominent all-stars in the postseason? :confusedshrug:

Remember when the bulls traded jimmy butler for him 7 years ago. And that guy went on to have more than one all-nba and all-star honors while making it to the finals twice ever since. They've surely lost that trade and have been out of the playoff picture until lonzo came.

[RRR3]

Heat
Warriors
Nuggets
Grizzlies
Lakers

I don't know if they would be better than a perfectly constructed roster in the Celtics because a lot depends on role players (and this is where Lavine's contract is a major obstacle) but ceteris paribus as far as big threes go, its as good as it gets and they are going toe to toe with Boston
I like Lavine (on offense) but this is a crazy take. The only team he's really improving enough to challenge the Celtics is the Nuggets, as they really need a second scorer since Murray is looking washed. Edit out the other 4 teams and fair enough. But the Nuggets can't afford Lavine.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Heat
Warriors
Nuggets
Grizzlies
Lakers

I don't know if they would be better than a perfectly constructed roster in the Celtics because a lot depends on role players (and this is where Lavine's contract is a major obstacle) but ceteris paribus as far as big threes go, its as good as it gets and they are going toe to toe with Boston

Lavine wouldn't improve the Heat at all except as a better replacement for when Butler is out. They already have Herro and Butler, a third wing trying to get 20 every night would be highly redundant plus one of them is going to have to guard a 4 which would lead to a list of problems.

Warriors have a bunch of perimeter scorers and don't need another especially if he's not a two-way player.

Denver I could see a little bit but with MPJ that's two potentially abusable defenders on the perimeter. Denver is dangerous to the Celtics with or without him but if he doesn't bring a defensive effort his presence isn't going to be much of an overall positive.

I don't view Memphis as any kind of contender but I haven't watched them this year so I'll leave that alone until I have a real opinion.

Lakers have perimeter scorers (Russell, Reeves, Knecht). The problem is they need guys that do that but also defend. And more that that really. One of their two superstars is showing his age. It's completely understandable but they either need some elite two-way roleplayers or a new superstar. And probably both. Lavine could make them a little better but if the goal is a championship and not just a spot in the playoffs they need to be rebuilt.

[999Guy]

In a Guys like Desmond Bane, Siakam, Michael Porter, Van Vleet and Ben Simmons are all in or near the 40s It’s just an issue of finding a team that has decided what they’re doing isn’t gonna work and they want out next year instead of three or four years from now. You don’t trade for him because you think he’s the missing piece. You trade for him because you have somebody else who definitely isn’t what you’re looking for but you have to pay them till 2028.

I don’t know what the 2026 free agent class looks like, but I think Luka can opt out. There’s always something like that with teams, looking ahead to put themselves in the mix.

Like the heat paying a max contract to guys like Jermaine O’Neal when they were washed. Then you realized it was because they expire the same year as the greatest free agent class of all time.

People on huge contracts have been the key to a number of situations. You just have to stop looking at it as paying for basketball services. Towards the end of some big deals people are just paid to fill a spot.
FVV, Bane, and Siakam all play both ends and are much better than LaVine. Simmons was much better before his mental breakdown.

Michael Porter, Jalen Green, and Jordan Poole are probably the only contracts in the league on the LaVine level.