Wemby is averaging 24.0/10.6/3.9 on 60.5 TS% while being the best defender in the NBA

[RRR3]

Where does he rank amongst centers and players overall?

[Carbine]

He's a top 5 player dragging that shit roster to 11-9

[tontoz]

Another L for 3ball.

[Phoenix]

As of now I would say lower top 10. Jokic/Giannis/Luka, Embiid,AD, KD, Steph, SGA. After that you can argue him with the likes of Tatum and ANT. I have him currently over Lebron because despite his stats, he really does not impact winning in the +/- column. Wembys presence singularly keeps the Spurs in the top half of the league in terms of DRtg, remove him and they're probably near the bottom( based on last year anyway, I assume it's similar this year). His presence in the paint alone causes guys to miss shots in anticipation of where he is, or he's swatting them away as a clip of nearly 4 per game and he's not even playing full starter minutes. You'd have to go back to the heyday of guys like Hakeem, Admiral and Mutumbo to find guys blocking shots at that rate, and they were playing heavier minutes in a era with more interior play allowing for more shotblocking opportunities. I can't say I'm a fan of the ten 3's a game because really nobody is a serious threat to challenge his shot if he wanted to play more around the elbow, but that's more on coaching and just what the league is now, so it's whatever.

[RRR3]

He's a top 5 player dragging that shit roster to 11-9
Yeah I can’t think of many players better and he’s not even close to his peak. Terrifying.

[RRR3]

Another L for 3ball.
He’s dumb as a rock, genuinely has no idea how to analyze basketball :oldlol:

[RRR3]

As of now I would say lower top 10. Jokic/Giannis/Luka, Embiid,AD, KD, Steph, SGA. After that you can argue him with the likes of Tatum and ANT. I have him currently over Lebron because despite his stats, he really does not impact winning in the +/- column. Wembys presence singularly keeps the Spurs in the top half of the league in terms of DRtg, remove him and they're probably near the bottom( based on last year anyway, I assume it's similar this year). His presence in the paint alone causes guys to miss shots in anticipation of where he is, or he's swatting them away as a clip of nearly 4 per game and he's not even playing full starter minutes. You'd have to go back to the heyday of guys like Hakeem, Admiral and Mutumbo to find guys blocking shots at that rate, and they were playing heavier minutes in a era with more interior play allowing for more shotblocking opportunities. I can't say I'm a fan of the ten 3's a game because really nobody is a serious threat to challenge his shot if he wanted to play more around the elbow, but that's more on coaching and just what the league is now, so it's whatever.
He’d have to shoot a pretty crazy percentage from the elbow to match the PPP he gets by shooting 35% on 3s. It’s better he shoots 3s and at the rim.

[Phoenix]

He’d have to shoot a pretty crazy percentage from the elbow to match the PPP he gets by shooting 35% on 3s. It’s better he shoots 3s and at the rim.

I just think it's letting the defense off the hook because nobody really can match him physically and when he does get in the post, a few dribbles and he's up and over the top of basically everyone. But again, it's really the nature of the league and the way he's being coached so it is what is. I made a post on here I think last week where I said the ideal offensive playstyle for him would be like Raptors Chris Bosh( obviously with the potential of being far more dominant). Before getting to the Heat Bosh was a face-up offensive player, basically either shooting from the elbow or using his quickness and athleticism to drive. It was ideal because, like Wemby, he lacked bulk so couldn't really bang down low. Playing at the elbow doesn't mean just shooting from there, I just mean that's basically the area he operates in and mix it up with a combo of jumpers, quick spin moves into the paint or just rim-running where he's a perpetual lob threat or clean-up guy. Also, he's taking four free throws a night, again because so much of his game is 3 pointers he's not putting enough pressure on the defense inside when he singularly could be getting teams into the penalty.

[RRR3]

He should play at the rim more but I don’t want him taking midrange shots unless it’s to bail out a possession. It’s a good weapon to have for tight games but it’s not an area I want my star operating from. You have to be Durant or Dirk level from there for it to be an elite form of offense.

[j3lademaster]

As of now I would say lower top 10. Jokic/Giannis/Luka, Embiid,AD, KD, Steph, SGA. After that you can argue him with the likes of Tatum and ANT. I have him currently over Lebron because despite his stats, he really does not impact winning in the +/- column. Wembys presence singularly keeps the Spurs in the top half of the league in terms of DRtg, remove him and they're probably near the bottom( based on last year anyway, I assume it's similar this year). His presence in the paint alone causes guys to miss shots in anticipation of where he is, or he's swatting them away as a clip of nearly 4 per game and he's not even playing full starter minutes. You'd have to go back to the heyday of guys like Hakeem, Admiral and Mutumbo to find guys blocking shots at that rate, and they were playing heavier minutes in a era with more interior play allowing for more shotblocking opportunities. I can't say I'm a fan of the ten 3's a game because really nobody is a serious threat to challenge his shot if he wanted to play more around the elbow, but that's more on coaching and just what the league is now, so it's whatever.
Embiid isn’t top 10 so far. His stats are mediocre, his team is 0-4 with him and he has a negative plus minus.

[Kblaze8855]

I Games and while it isn’t something, he’s really trying to force Paul being there is adding that extra couple layups that make me think by the end of the year gonna be pretty ridiculous statistically. When he’s really used to someone like that who doesn’t miss? Who doesn’t take that extra half second to realize they should pass it?

Kareem wrote a whole page in his book about how he didn’t appreciate how good Oscar Robertson was until he played with him and saw the difference between a normal player and a genius who knew you were open before you did. Who always got it right to the right spot in o make it easy while others would pass it half a second late and make it a hassle.

Im seeing some of that with Wemby and Paul and once they get it down it’s gonna be trouble. Lucky for everyone Paul doesn’t have 10 years left.

[iamgine]

#3 among centers
#9 overall

[RRR3]

I Games and while it isn’t something, he’s really trying to force Paul being there is adding that extra couple layups that make me think by the end of the year gonna be pretty ridiculous statistically. When he’s really used to someone like that who doesn’t miss? Who doesn’t take that extra half second to realize they should pass it?

Kareem wrote a whole page in his book about how he didn’t appreciate how good Oscar Robertson was until he played with him and saw the difference between a normal player and a genius who knew you were open before you did. Who always got it right to the right spot in o make it easy while others would pass it half a second late and make it a hassle.

Im seeing some of that with Wemby and Paul and once they get it down it’s gonna be trouble. Lucky for everyone Paul doesn’t have 10 years left.
Would you say he's the best prospect since LeBron?

[Hey Yo]

He’d have to shoot a pretty crazy percentage from the elbow to match the PPP he gets by shooting 35% on 3s. It’s better he shoots 3s and at the rim.

He should never get the ball down low ever again due to not being able to post up Batum last season.

[RRR3]

:cry:
You've been desperately begging for my attention for weeks, it's so embarrassing.

[Phoenix]

Embiid isn’t top 10 so far. His stats are mediocre, his team is 0-4 with him and he has a negative plus minus.

Admittedly that was more of an 'out of habit' pick but yeah, RIGHT NOW he's not a top ten player but presumably when healthy and playing he would be. By that reckoning, Lamelo Ball is top 10 right now.

[1987_Lakers]

I believe you could make an argument for top 5.

Jokic, Luka, Giannis, & AD have been the 4 best players so far.

I believe SGA, Tatum & Wemby are fighting for the 5th spot.

I don't think Steph is as good as he used to be. His age has started to show a bit in the last year or so.

[Phoenix]

Would you say he's the best prospect since LeBron?

Easily. Shaq, Lebron, and Wemby are the best prospects I've personally seen come into the league since watching the NBA.

[RRR3]

I believe you could make an argument for top 5.

Jokic, Luka, Giannis, & AD have been the 4 best players so far.

I believe SGA, Tatum & Wemby are fighting for the 5th spot.
Tf? Luka has been very disappointing, are you even following the NBA this year? :lol

[Hey Yo]

You've been desperately begging for my attention for weeks, it's so embarrassing.

Well, when you claim stupid shit like you did... you're going to get hounded for it.

Not my fault...

[RRR3]

sob sob sob
:sleeping

[1987_Lakers]

Tf? Luka has been very disappointing, are you even following the NBA this year? :lol

For his standards, yes. But the guy is still averaging almost 30 points while providing his usual playmaking skills.

[RRR3]

For his standards, yes. But the guy is still averaging almost 30 points while providing his usual playmaking skills.
His efficiency has been dreadful though, and it's not like he plays defense. Definitely not taking him over two way guys like Wemby or SGA so far.

[1987_Lakers]

His efficiency has been dreadful though, and it's not like he plays defense. Definitely not taking him over two way guys like Wemby or SGA so far.

That's fair, but the season basically just started. I don't see SGA being a better player than Luka throughout the entire year.

[Carbine]

We are almost 1/4 of the way through the season. It didn't just start lol

[1987_Lakers]

We are almost 1/4 of the way through the season. It didn't just start lol

Of course it did.

[SouBeachTalents]

He doesn't have any rings, so I can't rank him too highly.

[tontoz]

That's fair, but the season basically just started. I don't see SGA being a better player than Luka throughout the entire year.

SGA was 2nd in the MVP voting last season.

[Phoenix]

For me, unless a player is performing dramatically worse either by their own standards or comparatively, I have to give certain guys passes if we also know they're gonna bring it when it really counts. The two unquestioned top 2 for me are Jokic and Giannis. Usually Luka is lumped into that trio but his year has been off to a slow start so far, but I have little reason to think he won't get back to what we expect of him. AD is having an MVP type season. Tatum, despite his inconsistencies, should get some benefit of doubt both coming off the chip and his current play. KD and Steph aren't in their peak, but I have a hard time saying they don't still warrant top 10 status. Those guys are at the 'pace themselves' stage. It's guys like SGA, ANT, and Wemby that still have to prove themselves in high stakes situations, and that's where for me Wemby sits amongst the echelon of the league. Crazy thing is we have guys like Donovan Mitchell leading his team to an 18-3 record so far and he doesn't even get an honorable mention.

[RRR3]

For me, unless a player is performing dramatically worse either by their own standards or comparatively, I have to give certain guys passes if we also know they're gonna bring it when it really counts. The two unquestioned top 2 for me are Jokic and Giannis. Usually Luka is lumped into that trio but his year has been off to a slow start so far, but I have little reason to think he won't get back to what we expect of him. Tatum, despite his inconsistencies, should get some benefit of doubt both coming off the chip and his current play. KD and Steph aren't in their peak, but I have a hard time saying they don't still warrant top 10 status. Those guys are at the 'pace themselves' stage. It's guys like SGA, ANT, and Wemby that still have to prove themselves in high stakes situations, and that's where for me Wemby sits amongst the echelon of the league.
How is Luka the same level as Jokic and Giannis?

[Phoenix]

How is Luka the same level as Jokic and Giannis?

Right now, or in general? Most people seem to have Luka as a top 3-4 player at worst, unless I'm reading different forums from you. Also, I said Jokic and Giannis are the unquestioned top 2, which doesn't really say he's the 'same level' as them. The main inference you can make from the statement is that the two best players are Jokic and Giannis, and Luka would be at best third.

[RRR3]

Right now, or in general? Most people seem to have Luka as a top 3-4 player at worst, unless I'm reading different forums from you. Also, I said Jokic and Giannis are the unquestioned top 2, which doesn't really say he's the 'same level' as them. The main inference you can make from the statement is that the two best players are Jokic and Giannis, and Luka would be at best third.
He's a great player but I think he has enough glaring flaws that you can argue a handful of guys besides Jokic and Giannis as better than him atp.

[Kblaze8855]

Would you say he's the best prospect since LeBron?

I would say he is at least a good prospect as LeBron and arguably better but it’s impossible to predict and unreasonable to assume anyone would have as long and healthy a career as LeBron. He could easily be as effective as LeBron ever was, but knowing what we do about LeBron’s longevity, he might not be the choice to build around.

[Phoenix]

He's a great player but I think he has enough glaring flaws that you can argue a handful of guys besides Jokic and Giannis as better than him atp.

In reality, once you get past Jokic there really aren't clear-cut top 5 or even top 10. You have like 7-8 guys who really are top 5 level players, and like 13-14 players who could be top 10. The fact that there hasn't been a dominant champion since the Warriors also makes it more difficult. When you had Jordan in the 90s, Shaq in the early 2000s, or Lebron in the early 2010s them being the unquestioned best player also lined up with them being on the best team at the time winning multiple chips. It's less clear now when there's been a different champion the last 5 years. Everyone was ready to crown this the Jokic era back in 2023 but then he gets bounced by ANT the next year. And despite the dominance of the Celtics, Tatum isn't generally considered a top 5 player overall. The amount of talent vying for their place at the top is pretty crazy right now, there's alot more parity now.

[Carbine]

LeBron was the most hyped, best prospect of this century.

Wemby is the most UNIQUE prospect, but there's no question who the best, most hyped was.

[SouBeachTalents]

In reality, once you get past Jokic there really aren't clear-cut top 5 or even top 10. You have like 7-8 guys who really are top 5 level players, and like 13-14 players who could be top 10. The fact that there hasn't been a dominant champion since the Warriors also makes it more difficult. When you had Jordan in the 90s, Shaq in the early 2000s, or Lebron in the early 2010s them being the unquestioned best player also lined up with them being on the best team at the time winning multiple chips. It's less clear now when there's been a different champion the last 5 years. Everyone was ready to crown this the Jokic era back in 2023 but then he gets bounced by ANT the next year. And despite the dominance of the Celtics, Tatum isn't generally considered a top 5 player overall. The amount of talent vying for their place at the top is pretty crazy right now.
I think Giannis is pretty indisputably a top 5 player, I'd say Luka too but I understand he hasn't quite been at that level so far this year.

[Phoenix]

Zion received massive hype when he came in as well, as an honorable mention, but he simply can't stay healthy.

[RRR3]

LeBron was the most hyped, best prospect of this century.

Wemby is the most UNIQUE prospect, but there's no question who the best, most hyped was.
LeBron was more hyped, but Wemby actually has the potential to be better, which is shocking. Wemby's ceiling is GOAT. Which many of you have LeBron as but I meant his ceiling is even over that. No one paying attention will be shocked if Wemby averages 30/12 on elite efficiency with GOAT tier defense one day and wins some rings as the best player.

[Phoenix]

I think Giannis is pretty indisputably a top 5 player, I'd say Luka too but I understand he hasn't quite been at that level so far this year.

Yes, I think Jokic and Giannis are the top 2 without much argument( I probably should have said once you get past Jokic and Giannis earlier). Or rather, they may be the only two that really have no business being off anyone's top 5 list. After them you could really argue for like 5 other guys in those three spots, and you start getting into the weeds.

[RRR3]

Yes, I think Jokic and Giannis are the top 2 without much argument( I probably should have said once you get past Jokic and Giannis earlier). Or rather, they may be the only two that really have no business being off anyone's top 5 list. After them you could really argue for like 5 other guys in those three spots, and you start getting into the weeds.
The next 8 after Jokic and Giannis is probably (not in order) Wemby, SGA, Luka, Tatum, Curry, AD, Embiid (if healthy), and I guess KD. Would have said LeBron a little while ago but he's looking old.

[Neal Romer]

24/10/3 with more turnovers than assists.

I can see why OP, after posting at midnight and 3:30 am, and other times in between with his 'post' alt, rushed to make this thread at 9 am the moment he woke up from his daily three hour nap when he takes his only break from ISH, including holidays and weekends.

With numbers like that, who could argue against V Dub being ready to be proclaimed the future GOAT.

[Phoenix]

The next 8 after Jokic and Giannis is probably (not in order) Wemby, SGA, Luka, Tatum, Curry, AD, Embiid (if healthy), and I guess KD. Would have said LeBron a little while ago but he's looking old.

I think that's basically the same as my list on page 1. Lebron just in terms of +/- is a negative, so right now 'benefit of doubt' fairly shouldn't apply to him over guys who are also putting up numbers but also a positive. He may have 10 games this year where he looks like he did at 30, but the other 72 is too far a cry from that to rank him top 10.

[RRR3]

https://media.tenor.com/JVdf0xu1vhIAAAAM/dragontan.gif
You continue to make yourself look like a braindead idiot hating on this guy. And it's only going to get worse :(

[Neal Romer]

You continue to make yourself look like a braindead idiot hating on this guy. But hey, gotta hate on someone when you're a failed actor who wasted his life savings on razor blades.

Thinking people who proclaimed him the future GOAT after the third game of his career are ugly defective reterds is not hating on Wembanyama at all. It's hating on YOU.

[RRR3]

:cry:
You're literally the only person pushing back against what I'm saying in this thread, pretty much everyone besides you (an infamous retard who can't analyze basketball at all) can see he has GOAT potential if he stays healthy.

[999Guy]

His offense isn't shit. He's very easy to guard.

You would rather have a guy who does way less as far as usage offensively but does it better like Jimmy Butler. Scratch even that, Anthony Davis is a much better offensive player right now.


This isn't 2017 either. .605 TS% is just decent. Not elite.

He reminds me of Giannis pre-2019. Box score stuffing athletic mope offensively. No real impact on how teams defend.

[RRR3]

D-duhhhh-uhhhh-uhhhh!!!!
:biggums:

He's +5% rTS on massive volume, you're dumb as a rock :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

24/10/3 with more turnovers than assists.

I can see why OP, after posting at midnight and 3:30 am, and other times in between with his 'post' alt, rushed to make this thread at 9 am the moment he woke up from his daily three hour nap when he takes his only break from ISH, including holidays and weekends.

With numbers like that, who could argue against V Dub being ready to be proclaimed the future GOAT.
:oldlol: :oldlol:

[Phoenix]

His offense isn't shit. He's very easy to guard.

You would rather have a guy who does way less as far as usage offensively but does it better like Jimmy Butler. Scratch even that, Anthony Davis is a much better offensive player right now.


This isn't 2017 either. .605 TS% is just decent. Not elite.

He reminds me of Giannis pre-2019. Box score stuffing athletic mope offensively. No real impact on how teams defend.

That's not really a slight though. AD averaging 29/63% TS is better than most offensively asides from a handful.

[tpols]

His offense isn't shit. He's very easy to guard.

You would rather have a guy who does way less as far as usage offensively but does it better like Jimmy Butler. Scratch even that, Anthony Davis is a much better offensive player right now.


This isn't 2017 either. .605 TS% is just decent. Not elite.

He reminds me of Giannis pre-2019. Box score stuffing athletic mope offensively. No real impact on how teams defend.


Anthony Davis is averaging prime peak KAJ numbers right now... so not really a slight. Don't see the Giannis comparison, Dubya can shoot like 100x better albeit he'll never be as strong as Giannis because of the lanky-ness. Nevertheless he's obviously going to be a big time HOF player either way. But he has more basketball skills than giannis.

[tpols]

I think the question we have to all ask ourselves though is will Wemby ever make it to peak Siakam level?


https://youtu.be/3ugrYiEl9gg?si=blPvEQGnkRwYLPXT

And he did that on DPOY Draymond Green.

I guess we will just have to wait and see.

[highwhey]

tell me the nba is rigged without telling me its rigged.


teams will tank for 5 years straight and not sniff a 1st pick, but the spurs tank hardcore for one season and get him. got duncan as well. ok suuuuuureeeeee

[SouBeachTalents]

tell me the nba is rigged without telling me its rigged.


teams will tank for 5 years straight and not sniff a 1st pick, but the spurs tank hardcore for one season and get him. got duncan as well. ok suuuuuureeeeee
The Duncan Spurs were absolute ratings killers, I seriously doubt the NBA would rig the draft for their next GOAT talent to go back there :lol

[Phoenix]

tell me the nba is rigged without telling me its rigged.


teams will tank for 5 years straight and not sniff a 1st pick, but the spurs tank hardcore for one season and get him. got duncan as well. ok suuuuuureeeeee

Why would the league have any vested interest in promoting the Spurs over other smaller market teams?

[highwhey]

The Duncan Spurs were absolute ratings killers, I seriously doubt the NBA would rig the draft for their next GOAT talent to go back there :lol

the refs sure as hell seemed biased towards the spurs

[highwhey]

Why would the league have any vested interest in promoting the Spurs over other smaller market teams?

idk, but you don't find it odd that when the spurs decide to tank for one year, they, against all odds, land a generational talent not once, but twice? ok.


like i said before, other teams will tank for years and not be so luck as to even get a #1 pick but the spurs...

yeah, no such thing as coincidences.

[Phoenix]

idk, but you don't find it odd that when the spurs decide to tank for one year, they, against all odds, land a generational talent not once, but twice? ok.


like i said before, other teams will tank for years and not be so luck as to even get a #1 pick but the spurs...

yeah, no such thing as coincidences.

I suppose you could say lightning rarely strikes twice but again, that doesn't answer why the league would propel the Spurs in particular.

[Lebron23]

He’s dumb as a rock, genuinely has no idea how to analyze basketball :oldlol:

Never play or touch a basketball

[highwhey]

I suppose you could say lightning rarely strikes twice but again, that doesn't answer why the league would propel the Spurs in particular.

and i said i do not know. we are not privy to the behind the scenes action. for all we know, the spurs owner could be tied in some way to nba higher ups. in this country, it's always a case of who you know that determines what doors will open for you. it's like that accross the board for every industry and line of work. it's why i laugh when people criticize DEI hires,,,as if generations of our important government positions haven't been handed out of pure favoritism or nepotism.

[highwhey]

Why would the league have any vested interest in promoting the Spurs over other smaller market teams?

and fyi, it was no secrete david stern HATED the suns owner back in the Nash era...which made the whole robert horry incident look very funny bc it cost the Suns a championship...

[Phoenix]

and i said i do not know. we are not privy to the behind the scenes action. for all we know, the spurs owner could be tied in some way to nba higher ups. in this country, it's always a case of who you know that determines what doors will open for you. it's like that accross the board for every industry and line of work. it's why i laugh when people criticize DEI hires,,,as if generations of our important government positions haven't been handed out of pure favoritism or nepotism.

Maybe but in the absence of any real evidence besides your personal suspicions, not really much point to speculating and really, I have a hard time thinking that kind of nepotism wouldn't have been uncovered by now. Plus the NBA higher ups from 1997 when Duncan got drafted to 2023 when Wemby came into the league have changed over, so basically you're saying the Spurs front office has some running 'in' with the league over multiple decades.

[ArbitraryWater]

He's a great player but I think he has enough glaring flaws that you can argue a handful of guys besides Jokic and Giannis as better than him atp.

Its Luka, youre gonna put Ant/Shai infront of him cause we played 25% of the season? :D

[tontoz]

Its Luka, youre gonna put Ant/Shai infront of him cause we played 25% of the season? :D

No, because Shai plays both ends. He was 2nd in the MVP voting last season and was 1st team All NBA for the 2nd straight season.

[highwhey]

Maybe but in the absence of any real evidence besides your personal suspicions, not really much point to speculating and really, I have a hard time thinking that kind of nepotism wouldn't have been uncovered by now. Plus the NBA higher ups from 1997 when Duncan got drafted to 2023 when Wemby came into the league have changed over, so basically you're saying the Spurs front office has some running 'in' with the league over multiple decades.

umm the pattern is very real evidence. it's like people going missing with a common friend...the authorities would be all over that sh1t. patterns give justice to theories.

[RRR3]

umm the pattern is very real evidence. it's like people going missing with a common friend...the authorities would be all over that sh1t. patterns give justice to theories.
Meltdown.

[Phoenix]

umm the pattern is very real evidence. it's like people going missing with a common friend...the authorities would be all over that sh1t. patterns give justice to theories.

A pattern of two occurrences 26 years apart? Believe whatever man.

[ArbitraryWater]

No, because Shai plays both ends. He was 2nd in the MVP voting last season and was 1st team All NBA for the 2nd straight season.

Shai also played both ends last year and wasnt better.

Get a real argument bro.

[tontoz]

Shai also played both ends last year and wasnt better.

Get a real argument bro.


He was easily better in their playoff series.

I am not the one that voted him 2nd in the MVP race. That actually happened no matter how much you try to pretend it didn't.

Unlike Luka his game hasn't fallen off so far this season.

[tontoz]

Just got done watching the game vs Kings. Well played game. The Spurs moved the ball pretty well. Wemby took 9 3s but they were good looks other than one end of quarter heave.

I wouldn't worry about his 3 pt volume at this point. Let him have his fun. Less wear and tear on the body taking 3s.

As he matures physically and the Spurs get better then we can talk about him being more selective from 3.

[ILLsmak]

I told you dudes he was gonna be banging threes. He is shooting a lot of them, but the only ones that worry me are step backs. He's basically wide open because of how tall he is. He's a good shooter. It's not wasted, but I'd like to see him use that more on the block to get every time cash shots. Should be like FTs.

I wonder what player would fit best with him...

-Smak

[90sgoat]

Prime Porzingis numbers.