Steve Kerr- the reason the Warriors lost their Mojo

[bdonovan]

Kerr has made the wise choice of giving Brandon Podziemski starter minutes mid way through the season. He is shooting 21% from 3 pt land and shoots too many per game for that kind of accuracy. He benched Hield in favor of Brandon; Hield was shooting 50% from 3 pt range (2nd in NBA) until his constant benching lowered his confidence.

See folks. Normally you would think high efficiency would get you more minutes but that's where you're wrong. That's how laymen think. When you're a basketball genius like Steve Kerr, you have to make the contrarian choice that is above the minds of ordinary people. That- not the sheer talent of people like Curry- is why the Warriors won all those rings.

As the Warriors drift towards mediocrity and go from being a dominant team in the league to maybe a 1st round exit, just remember, Kerr is doing the right thing by benching Hield and Kuminga. Kuminga just scored 33 pts and beat the Rockets almost single-handedly. However, it's important next game to bench him and start Trayce Jackson-Davis or otherwise restrict Kuminga to under 20 minutes.

This is how 4d chess coaching works.

[ArbitraryWater]

Didnt you make this thread 2 weeks ago? Couldnt just bump it?

[1987_Lakers]

Are you guys really surprised that the Warriors came down to earth? Steph had started to show signs of slowing down last season, now it is evident. We all know Draymond hasn't been what he used to be for years now even though he is still impactful. I don't know why some are acting like this is still a championship caliber team.

[highwhey]

Are you guys really surprised that the Warriors came down to earth? Steph had started to show signs of slowing down last season, now it is evident. We all know Draymond hasn't been what he used to be for years now even though he is still impactful. I don't know why some are acting like this is still a championship caliber team.

and the nash era system has spread like wildfire in the last 9 years (of no surprise since kerr was their GM). everyone is moving the ball and shooting 3s. without jerseys, we'd have issues identifying which teams are playing. it's like nascars, all the fukkin cars look alike.

[tontoz]

Last time Hield started he was 1-8 in 27 minutes. I seriously doubt starting him against Minny would have meant a win instead of a 17 pt loss. He had 3 turnovers in only 13 minutes.

:facepalm

[999Guy]

Him benching Draymond is eye opening dumb. Just terrible decision making to bench your best big so the likes of...Jonathan Kuminga can be optimized? What? Optimize...Stephen...Curry. Optimizing this average wing is ridiculous.

[Norcaliblunt]

and the nash era system has spread like wildfire in the last 9 years (of no surprise since kerr was their GM). everyone is moving the ball and shooting 3s. without jerseys, we'd have issues identifying which teams are playing. it's like nascars, all the fukkin cars look alike.

Kerr literally killed the Nash era Suns. He traded for Shaq, ran Mike D out of town, and hired Terry Porter to slow down the Suns and run a set offense. Lmao.

Kerr doesn’t get enough shit for how terrible of a GM he actually was. Like absolutely horrendous.

Plus he’s good friends with a dude like Bob Sarver. In fact Kerr actually publicly stood up for dude before he got booted. Lol.

[1987_Lakers]

Kerr literally killed the Nash era Suns. He traded for Shaq, ran Mike D out of town, and hired Terry Porter to slow down the Suns and run a set offense. Lmao.

Kerr doesn’t get enough shit for how terrible of a GM he actually was. Like absolutely horrendous.

Plus he’s good friends with a dude like Bob Sarver. In fact Kerr actually publicly stood up for dude before he got booted. Lol.

It was a mistake to trade Marion for Shaq, but Marion was already declining as a player a bit so it wasn't a huge fvck up. Should have traded Marion for someone besides Shaq. The worst thing he did was not working things out with D'antoni, I don't think Mike D liked where the team was going so he basically ditched them. The perception at that time was that you can't win a title with a coach who runs that style of offense.

The best thing he did was sign Grant Hill, I don't think anyone expected him to be an effective/healthy player well into his late 30's.

Overall, GM Kerr was pretty average.

[highwhey]

Kerr literally killed the Nash era Suns. He traded for Shaq, ran Mike D out of town, and hired Terry Porter to slow down the Suns and run a set offense. Lmao.

Kerr doesn’t get enough shit for how terrible of a GM he actually was. Like absolutely horrendous.

Plus he’s good friends with a dude like Bob Sarver. In fact Kerr actually publicly stood up for dude before he got booted. Lol.

yeah his stay there as a GM sucked ass, but he's on public record admitting he took the idea of their offense and used it as a base for the golden state offense which revolutionized the game as we know it today.

[highwhey]

It was a mistake to trade Marion for Shaq, but Marion was already declining as a player a bit so it wasn't a huge fvck up. Should have traded Marion for someone besides Shaq. The worst thing he did was not working things out with D'antoni, I don't think Mike D liked where the team was going so he basically ditched them. The perception at that time was that you can't win a title with a coach who runs that style of offense.

The best thing he did was sign Grant Hill, I don't think anyone expected him to be an effective/healthy player well into his late 30's.

Overall, GM Kerr was pretty average.

even i was mad at the grant hill trade initially, seemed like the suns were the junkyard of the nba where old players went to walk into the sunsent aka retirement, but yeah grant hill basically revived his career in PHX, his middie was so fcking beautiful. helps that the suns had the best athletic trainer at the time, he brought back grant hill's limbs to life.


and not signing amar'e to an extension was the end basically, there was no way they were going to keep up a contending status without him. although some like to argue that they could have since they were still a .500 team without him the entire season he was out, boris diaw took his place and played well.

[bdonovan]

Are you guys really surprised that the Warriors came down to earth? Steph had started to show signs of slowing down last season, now it is evident. We all know Draymond hasn't been what he used to be for years now even though he is still impactful. I don't know why some are acting like this is still a championship caliber team.

And yet with Steph and Dray as they were, they were 12-3 this year. They beat the Celtics. They beat OKC. Something changed, because Steph and Dray are the same players they were when they were dominating this year.

This is entirely a team chemistry issue, by ever-changing lineups and benching players they need to win games.

[bdonovan]

Last time Hield started he was 1-8 in 27 minutes. I seriously doubt starting him against Minny would have meant a win instead of a 17 pt loss. He had 3 turnovers in only 13 minutes.

:facepalm

Generally it's a subpar way of discussing anything including sports by zeroing on a tiny data set. It reduces the quality of the exchange. Such a single game performance.

As I pointed out on other threads since benching and losing minutes, Hield's stats have declined; understandably.

[tontoz]

Generally it's a subpar way of discussing anything including sports by zeroing on a tiny data set. It reduces the quality of the exchange. Such a single game performance.

As I pointed out on other threads since benching and losing minutes, Hield's stats have declined; understandably.


He's only started 2 games on the season :lol so when was this "benching"? Almost his entire season has been off the bench.

[ArbitraryWater]

Last time Hield started he was 1-8 in 27 minutes. I seriously doubt starting him against Minny would have meant a win instead of a 17 pt loss. He had 3 turnovers in only 13 minutes.

:facepalm


It seemed pretty retarded for you to conclude off "the last game" that starting Hield would be no good

[tontoz]

It seemed pretty retarded for you to conclude off "the last game" that starting Hield would be no good

:facepalm

Reading obviously isn't your strong suit. What I actually said was that starting Buddy IN THAT GAME was unlikely to change the result IN THAT GAME.

I made no mention of what I thought about starting him in future games

RIF

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm

Reading obviously isn't your strong suit. What I actually said was that starting Buddy IN THAT GAME was unlikely to change the result IN THAT GAME.

I made no mention of what I thought about starting him in future games

RIF


Well thats just kind of a dumb/irrelevant point to make then dont you think?

Were not focused on 1 game here.

And again, taking anything from the 1 1-8 performance seems pretty dumb.

[ArbitraryWater]

:facepalm

Reading obviously isn't your strong suit. What I actually said was that starting Buddy IN THAT GAME was unlikely to change the result IN THAT GAME.

I made no mention of what I thought about starting him in future games

RIF


Well thats just kind of a dumb/irrelevant point to make then dont you think?

Were not focused on 1 game here.

And again, taking anything from the 1 1-8 performance seems pretty dumb.

[tontoz]

Well thats just kind of a dumb/irrelevant point to make then dont you think?

Were not focused on 1 game here.

And again, taking anything from the 1 1-8 performance seems pretty dumb.



It would seem dumb to someone who didn't understand that this thread was a reaction to the game against Minny that they lost by 17. This thread was created literally right after the game.

Not surprised you didn't notice.

[ArbitraryWater]

It would seem dumb to someone who didn't understand that this thread was a reaction to the game against Minny that they lost by 17. This thread was created literally right after the game.

Not surprised you didn't notice.


Yeah man, the thread clearly insinuates that 1 game, the Timberwolves loss, is the reason the Warriors lost their mojo.

[Axe]

They're 14-9 atm. After klay left, they're expected to become worse somehow. But they aren't.

[tontoz]

Yeah man, the thread clearly insinuates that 1 game, the Timberwolves loss, is the reason the Warriors lost their mojo.

You were the first one to reply and you even said he created the same thread previously. It should have been obvious. I will go way out on a limb that the other thread wasn't created after a win. :lol

[hold this L]

Are you guys really surprised that the Warriors came down to earth? Steph had started to show signs of slowing down last season, now it is evident. We all know Draymond hasn't been what he used to be for years now even though he is still impactful. I don't know why some are acting like this is still a championship caliber team.
Who is acting like they are a championship level team? This was a team that maybe had some shot if everyone is fit and playing well. Once Melton went out, so did the season.

His point is to focus on management issues and you're spouting something completely irrelevant. Did you even read his comment?

[hold this L]

And yet with Steph and Dray as they were, they were 12-3 this year. They beat the Celtics. They beat OKC. Something changed, because Steph and Dray are the same players they were when they were dominating this year.

This is entirely a team chemistry issue, by ever-changing lineups and benching players they need to win games.

Steph has not been dominating this year, it's very evident he no longer is his elite self.

[Norcaliblunt]

It was a mistake to trade Marion for Shaq, but Marion was already declining as a player a bit so it wasn't a huge fvck up. Should have traded Marion for someone besides Shaq. The worst thing he did was not working things out with D'antoni, I don't think Mike D liked where the team was going so he basically ditched them. The perception at that time was that you can't win a title with a coach who runs that style of offense.

The best thing he did was sign Grant Hill, I don't think anyone expected him to be an effective/healthy player well into his late 30's.

Overall, GM Kerr was pretty average.


The Suns medical staff which has magically disappeared made Grant Hill work.

Seriously what happened to that medical staff? I mean they restored hella careers.

Nash
Amare
Shaq
Hill
Mcdyess


Suns used to restore peeps. Now the whole league including the Suns is crumbling because of injuries.

Really weird.

[90sgoat]

He's lost the respect of players after he got cucked by America for being such a pansy democrat.

[Norcaliblunt]

He's lost the respect of players after he got cucked by America for being such a pansy democrat.

Are you really that partisan? Or is this just the results of a manufactured divide and conquer scheme that our boy Mr. Steve Kerr has literally baited you into? Lmao.

[90sgoat]

Are you really that partisan? Or is this just the results of a manufactured divide and conquer scheme that our boy Mr. Steve Kerr has literally baited you into? Lmao.

I really think that alpha males even if they're black do not respect people who cuck their own beliefs to fit in.

[TMac&Luther]

�� lmfao! :oldlol: :no:

[Axe]

The warriors were held scoreless in the last 3 minutes of the game. :yaohappy:

[BarberSchool]

Fully agree.

Benching Hield is wild on its own, but giving the minutes to Podziemsky is just insane. Hield can get buckets all day long against any coverages. Pods is a feel good story that Kerr probably has some personal attachment to of being a smallish white dude in the league. Pods is good enough to be a bench player, who gets some minutes, but the whole push of him seems off, from the get go.

Was there any public reason given for benching Hield ????

[Proctor]

Fully agree.

Benching Hield is wild on its own, but giving the minutes to Podziemsky is just insane. Hield can get buckets all day long against any coverages. Pods is a feel good story that Kerr probably has some personal attachment to of being a smallish white dude in the league. Pods is good enough to be a bench player, who gets some minutes, but the whole push of him seems off, from the get go.

Was there any public reason given for benching Hield ????
I will never understand why the Warriors would not entertain trade offers for him last year. His value was hella inflated being that he came out of relative nowhere but he is a mediocre player. Decent defensively, gritty player with some nice hustle, good rebounder and elite at drawing charges, but excruciating to watch offensively. His release and form don't allow for him to get his shot off just about any time of the game. Hilarious to watch how many open shots he passes up because he couldn't get it up in time.

The Warriors thrive off of chemistry and continuity, so obviously that limits who they'd be comfortable trading. He was the one player who was new enough that he should still have been considered expendable, but instead they propped him up like something he clearly isn't. He has no business starting, and on top of that his brand of hard-nosed basketball wouldn't be diminished by a bench role.

Instead they just let guys like Moody rot or Hield get less minutes. :banghead:

[tontoz]

Last year Podz shot 38.5% on 3s. So far this year he is at 24.7%.

[RRR3]

Last year Podz shot 38.5% on 3s. So far this year he is at 24.7%.
24.7% is ****ing VILE :lol

[tontoz]

24.7% is ****ing VILE :lol


Strange that he is shooting 12% better than last year from the foul line. :wtf:

[RRR3]

Strange that he is shooting 12% better than last year from the foul line. :wtf:
Variance, it will likely even out. I was telling my friend who's a Rockets fan that Jabari Smith wasn't going to keep bricking 3s (he was in the low to mid 20s) and he's now at 35.2%. Of course there are cases in which guys have bad shooting years, but THAT big of a drop? Something is up physically or mentally if it continues.

[Charlie Sheen]

Big picture the warriors were not going to win the championship with a hield getting minutes strategy or without it. Hold this L nailed it with Melton's injury dashing any hope they had.

[Axe]

Even if they have melton playing rn, they still will still have to deal with younger contenders such as the mavs and nuggets. Also they might have a hard time against rising teams like the rockets and thunder.

[Charlie Sheen]

Even if they have melton playing rn, they still will still have to deal with younger contenders such as the mavs and nuggets. Also they might have a hard time against rising teams like the rockets and thunder.

I agree with this. Did not mean to imply they were favorites but they did show me enough i gave them an honest chance

[hold this L]

Even if they have melton playing rn, they still will still have to deal with younger contenders such as the mavs and nuggets. Also they might have a hard time against rising teams like the rockets and thunder.

They wouldn't be favorites even with Melton. But you have a situation where if things roll just right in the playoffs (schedule, health, form, etc), you could see the team winning it. Once he was out, everything started to break down.


By the way, read somewhere Podz is leading the team in 4th quarter minutes. A quarter the team has choked many leads in this season. Props to Steve Kerr, another dumb masterclass where he rubs one out to the role players fantasizing about his own career. :applause:

[Axe]

Yes, they did have a good start in this season without klay. Earlier i thought they would really fall or struggle immediately but that's not the case at all. Although recently things have been rocky for them so i can't help but think they may be missing klay now a bit, even if he's become washed atm.

At this rate, the team could finish with a winning record at the end of the season if they can maintain their composure. But securing a playoff spot will be a challenge because of how obviously stacked the western conference is.

[tontoz]

Just got done watching the Houston game. What an epic collapse. :facepalm

[Axe]

Just got done watching the Houston game. What an epic collapse. :facepalm
They went scoreless in the final three minutes of the game while being up by six points. :ohwell:

[hold this L]

Yes, they did have a good start in this season without klay. Earlier i thought they would really fall or struggle immediately but that's not the case at all. Although recently things have been rocky for them so i can't help but think they may be missing klay now a bit, even if he's become washed atm.

At this rate, the team could finish with a winning record at the end of the season if they can maintain their composure. But securing a playoff spot will be a challenge because of how obviously stacked the western conference is.
They're not missing Klay. People who say this etiher don't watch the Warriors, or are player stans that can't think logically. Klay was the worst player on the team last season and the season before that. Probably the 5-6th best player during the chip run in 22. The main issue is Steph is old and it shows. Draymond is old and it shows, the team has a better team defense with him OFF the court than on, which is a monolithic red flag.

[Norcaliblunt]

I really think that alpha males even if they're black do not respect people who cuck their own beliefs to fit in.

These kids could care less about politics. Lmao. Even the smartest ones don’t give a shit. If they act like they do, they are just being baited in to talk about shit just because of their “brand”.

Just like you. lol.

[Proctor]

Getting abused by the Grizzlies. Draymond throwing tantrums and Kerr looking stupid.

Imagine thinking it's a good idea to start Schroeder with Steph. Schroeder is a super-sub on this team who should play starter type minutes, not an actual starting SG on this particular team.

[RRR3]

Getting abused by the Grizzlies. Draymond throwing tantrums and Kerr looking stupid.

Imagine thinking it's a good idea to start Schroeder with Steph. Schroeder is a super-sub on this team who should play starter type minutes, not an actual starting SG on this particular team.
Thoughts on Wemby so far?

[Proctor]

Thoughts on Wemby so far?
I haven't watched a full Spurs game since they traded Derrick White. That's irredeemable. I'm not even sure I've watched a full quarter.

My Spurs interest was only personnel related and has nothing to do with the franchise itself. I stopped watching them when they stopped trying to win and I'm not going to re-start watching them to see the likes of Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes. I don't give a **** if they have a generational talent. If I start watching again it will only be because I'm a general fan of basketball but my days of watching every Spurs game ended a long time ago.

[RRR3]

I haven't watched a full Spurs game since they traded Derrick White. That's irredeemable. I'm not even sure I've watched a full quarter.

My Spurs interest was only personnel related and has nothing to do with the franchise itself. I stopped watching them when they stopped trying to win and I'm not going to re-start watching them to see the likes of Chris Paul and Harrison Barnes. I don't give a **** if they have a generational talent. If I start watching again it will only be because I'm a general fan of basketball but my days of watching every Spurs game ended a long time ago.
Missing out on Wemby is crazy, he's the best prospect I've ever seen. You should watch him.

[Proctor]

Missing out on Wemby is crazy, he's the best prospect I've ever seen. You should watch him.
Won't be long. I like him and Vassell but the rest of that team can get lost. Not a good use of time for me to watch a team I can only tolerate two players on.

[RRR3]

Won't be long. I like him and Vassell but the rest of that team can get lost. Not a good use of time for me to watch a team I can only tolerate two players on.
Man that's a dumb reason to not watch your team, Heat have had plenty of guys I couldn't stand and I kept watching.

Did you see li'l starface is obsessively hating on Wemby now? :roll: Bro is gonna waste years of his life hating on a future legend

[k0kakw0rld]

Him benching Draymond is eye opening dumb. Just terrible decision making to bench your best big so the likes of...Jonathan Kuminga can be optimized? What? Optimize...Stephen...Curry. Optimizing this average wing is ridiculous.

Draymond is garbage