Jokic loses to the warriors despite dropping 56pts

[highwhey]

damn, i don't think he's much of a floor raiser :confusedshrug:

no Murray or AG, but i keep hearing they don't help anyhow so what difference does it make?

[tontoz]

Warriors? :lol

[highwhey]

wizzzzzzz


i am watching a lot of games at the same time my bad

[Full Court]

damn, i don't think he's much of a floor raiser :confusedshrug:

no Murray or AG, but i keep hearing they don't help anyhow so what difference does it make?

Anyone who says they don't help doesn't know what they're talking about.

[tontoz]

Anyone who says they don't help doesn't know what they're talking about.

Nobody actually says that it's just the voices inside op's head

[highwhey]

Nobody actually says that it's just the voices inside op's head

sure dude. pretend like the world doesn't blame murray whenever they lose.

[tontoz]

sure dude. pretend like the world doesn't blame murray whenever they lose.

Nobody blames him tonight :roll:

[highwhey]

Nobody blames him tonight :roll:

bc he didn't play

[highwhey]

let us not pretend like people weren't calling for him to be traded at halftime during game 7 versus the minny series :facepalm

[tontoz]

let us not pretend like people weren't calling for him to be traded at halftime during game 7 versus the minny series :facepalm


He was garbage in the playoffs and has been garbage this season. Apparently he doesn't work hard on his conditioning in the off-season and it always shows early in the year.

I would think a guy who just signed a max deal would show up to camp in shape.

[highwhey]

He was garbage in the playoffs and has been garbage this season. Apparently he doesn't work hard on his conditioning in the off-season and it always shows early in the year.

I would think a guy who just signed a max deal would show up to camp in shape.

jokic is gassed by every 3rd q like clockwork. and doesn't play defense. next excuse.

[tontoz]

jokic is gassed by every 3rd q like clockwork. and doesn't play defense. next excuse.

So you think he was gassed after 3 quarters but still dropped 56/16/8? Cool story bro

[999Guy]

The Nuggets are disgusting tbh. He might be playing with the worst batch of losers since KG in Minnesota.

Braun is their second best player right now. Legitimately.

[highwhey]

The Nuggets are disgusting tbh. He might be playing with the worst batch of losers since KG in Minnesota.

Braun is their second best player right now. Legitimately.

no argument there. but it doesn't help that jokic doesn't play a lick of defense. what is often lost on the casuals is the tremendous efforts braun and AG put on defense. the team is flawed bc it depends heavily on a certain few wing players to give 110% effort on defense every night and when they come up short offensively, they are blamed. braun and brown were essential on that championship team, their defense made a difference...

[MrFonzworth]

Imagine if Jokic had serviceable help. Nobody else on the team belongs in the NBA.

[highwhey]

Imagine if Jokic had serviceable help. Nobody else on the team belongs in the NBA.

@tontoz see

[bdonovan]

Great players bring out the best in their teammates. LeBron brought out the best in Kyrie; Curry brought the best out of Wiggins (the 2nd best player in the last Warriors championship). Strawther, Westbrook, Braun all shot around .500 and were the Nuggets other top scorers. Dish to them and save your legs for defense.

At the power positions, Wizards were 17-28 FG. So not much interior defense to speak of.

For all the people focusing on points and "moar help", there's other answers why the Nuggets will keep losing games like this.

[Mask the Embiid]

He would of never won a ring if Jamal murray didn't turn into a 50-40-90 guy in the playoffs that 1 year while averaging 30 ppg...When will yall see it?

[highwhey]

He would of never won a ring if Jamal murray didn't turn into a 50-40-90 guy in the playoffs that 1 year while averaging 30 ppg...When will yall see it?

i'm trying to be objective and fair here but i have nothing to counter your point with. excellent point.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Axe]

no argument there. but it doesn't help that jokic doesn't play a lick of defense. what is often lost on the casuals is the tremendous efforts braun and AG put on defense. the team is flawed bc it depends heavily on a certain few wing players to give 110% effort on defense every night and when they come up short offensively, they are blamed. braun and brown were essential on that championship team, their defense made a difference...
To some extent he's like a bigger luka.

[tontoz]

@tontoz see


That is clear trolling, something you know a lot about.

MPJ clearly belongs in the NBA. He is their most consistent 3 pt shooter but went 0-5. It happens.

Aside from Jokic the rest of the team shot 2-19 from 3. Poole was 9-20. Do you think Jokic was guarding Poole?

[BarberSchool]

No Gordon

No Murray

Porter Jr missed everything.

Poole had some good runs himself.

Poole shows up once in awhile, and shows why the Warriors were so high on him.
Wiz get that version of Poole about 9 games a season.

[BarberSchool]

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Owners leagewide probably love this idea lol
But none have the balls to do it.

[highwhey]

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i love this idea! maybe the nuggs should withold 50% of his paycheck games until he can average 1block per game and play some defense.

[tontoz]

He would of never won a ring if Jamal murray didn't turn into a 50-40-90 guy in the playoffs that 1 year while averaging 30 ppg...When will yall see it?


Murray would never have averaged 30 in the playoffs unless he was playing with a guy who averaged 30 in the playoffs 3 years in a row.

[ShawkFactory]

I guess having Jokic hater makes things more interesting? Y’all are fighting an uphill battle but I appreciate the effort.

[highwhey]

I guess having Jokic hater makes things more interesting? Y’all are fighting an uphill battle but I appreciate the effort.

i am an avid Jokic fan, #1 fanclub on ISH. I even put in the title that he scored 56 points. Jokic #1 heavyweight.

[999Guy]

I guess having Jokic hater makes things more interesting? Y’all are fighting an uphill battle but I appreciate the effort.

It really shows how dumb fans are. Jokic is not under question as a player. Not even his defense. We have a decade of tracking data on him at this point. Nuggets are almost 30 points better with him on the court the past 3 years. Peak LeBron never did that. Peak Curry never did that.

Jokic already ran the gauntlet and got a dominant title with his abilities. I’m not really sure wtf point any one is trying to make pretending this guy isn’t by far the best player of the era.


The Nuggets playing like absolute is not the fault of the guy who is elite, not decent, not good, not great, elite at almost everything on the offensive side of basketball, and then still elite at some on defensive(deflections, box outs, and defensive rebounding).

And did someone say don’t score 56 on 38 shots, safe you’re legs for defense? But the idiots around him who scored 10, are expected to play average D?

[RRR3]

It really shows how dumb fans are. Jokic is not under question as a player. Not even his defense. We have a decade of tracking data on him at this point. Nuggets are almost 30 points better with him on the court the past 3 years. Peak LeBron never did that. Peak Curry never did that.

Jokic already ran the gauntlet and got a dominant title with his abilities. I’m not really sure wtf point any one is trying to make pretending this guy isn’t by far the best player of the era.


The Nuggets playing like absolute is not the fault of the guy who is elite, not decent, not good, not great, elite at almost everything on the offensive side of basketball, and then still elite at some on defensive(deflections, box outs, and defensive rebounding).

And did someone say don’t score 56 on 38 shots, safe you’re legs for defense? But the idiots around him who scored 10, are expected to play average D?
Meltdown, Fatkic is not better than peak LeBron or peak Curry, stop sucking him off.

[fourkicks44]

It really shows how dumb fans are. Jokic is not under question as a player. Not even his defense. We have a decade of tracking data on him at this point. Nuggets are almost 30 points better with him on the court the past 3 years. Peak LeBron never did that. Peak Curry never did that.

Jokic already ran the gauntlet and got a dominant title with his abilities. I’m not really sure wtf point any one is trying to make pretending this guy isn’t by far the best player of the era.


The Nuggets playing like absolute is not the fault of the guy who is elite, not decent, not good, not great, elite at almost everything on the offensive side of basketball, and then still elite at some on defensive(deflections, box outs, and defensive rebounding).

And did someone say don’t score 56 on 38 shots, safe you’re legs for defense? But the idiots around him who scored 10, are expected to play average D?

See Highwhey, a decade of data says Jokic is elite defensively and his teammates are trash.

It's not his fault.

[highwhey]

See Highwhey, a decade of data says Jokic is elite defensively and his teammates are trash.

It's not his fault.

guy is talking out of his ass. if jokic was even halfway decent on defense, they would have beat minnesota last post-season.

anyways, we have a decade of data proving the nuggets being the top 10 in allowing points in the paint :facepalm

[tontoz]

guy is talking out of his ass. if jokic was even halfway decent on defense, they would have beat minnesota last post-season.

anyways, we have a decade of data proving the nuggets being the top 10 in allowing points in the paint :facepalm


If Jokic was as bad on D as you say he wouldn't have the best +/- in the league by far.

Against the Cavs the announcers said that for the season Denver was +12 with Jokic in the floor, -17 with him off the floor.



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[Duffy Pratt]

jokic is gassed by every 3rd q like clockwork. and doesn't play defense. next excuse.

I know you hate him, but why make it so clear that you don’t watch him. Tonight, on a back to back, in the 3rd he put up 16 2 and 2 with a steal. If that;s what you do when gassed, I’ll take gassed. And the no D thing was true three years ago. He is now a better than average team defender with some significant weaknesses when isolated.

[tontoz]

48/14/8 after playing 39 minutes last night.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's having to do more but we're also seeing what a high-level passer can do for Jokic. Never seen him get so many good post-entry/roll passes before.

[ShawkFactory]

guy is talking out of his ass. if jokic was even halfway decent on defense, they would have beat minnesota last post-season.

anyways, we have a decade of data proving the nuggets being the top 10 in allowing points in the paint :facepalm

Jokic is the best player in the league by a lot right now.

[ArbitraryWater]

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Badass

[999Guy]

guy is talking out of his ass. if jokic was even halfway decent on defense, they would have beat minnesota last post-season.

anyways, we have a decade of data proving the nuggets being the top 10 in allowing points in the paint :facepalm

...Let's be serious here, you don't know how to analyze a players defense. Jokic's defensive mold is that of Chuck Hayes or Zaza Pachulia. It's a lot of positioning all over the court, hand speed, pick and roll D, and affecting the rebound margin with box outs. Only Jokic doesn't just box out like those guys, he can actually grab boards simultaneously. Which is really something I've only seen dominant defenders and freak athletes can do like Gobert, Howard, Wallace, KG, etc do.

But Jokic, actually does this. He's a pretty good defender if anything. Calling him less than halfway decent is a braindead, emotional take.