The latest Nikola Jokic accomplishment

[Street Hunger]

Three NBA players have ever had 45+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ assists in consecutive games:

Jokic, Wilt and Elgin.

[Mask the Embiid]

It was vs a injury riddled 2024 Wizards on an 18 game losing streak guys....and he lost the game btw....but nice random "espn record" where you just look up some arbitrary numbers in a statline and notice only a handful of ppl have done it in the history of basketball to pump up a player. O look westbrook is the only back up to have 2 steals per game, while averaging 1 blk,10 ppg, and 15+ rebs and ast combined in the month of november in nba history.... He should be the 6 man!



man knock it off.



these damn espn babies disgust me

[tontoz]

Three NBA players have ever had 45+ points, 10+ rebounds, and 5+ assists in consecutive games:

Jokic, Wilt and Elgin.



It was a back to back too. No load management here.

[highwhey]

It was vs a injury riddled 2024 Wizards on an 18 game losing streak guys....and he lost the game btw....but nice random "espn record" where you just look up some arbitrary numbers in a statline and notice only a handful of ppl have done it in the history of basketball to pump up a player. O look westbrook is the only back up to have 2 steals per game, while averaging 1 blk,10 ppg, and 15+ rebs and ast combined in the month of november in nba history.... He should be the 6 man!


man knock it off.



these damn espn babies disgust me
nikola's career in a nutshell

[tontoz]

nikola's career in a nutshell


3 MVPs going on 4

Career playoff averages: 27.7 ppg, 12.3rpg, 7.5 apg over 80 playoff games

1 ring and 1 FMVP

THAT is Jokic's career in a nutshell

[highwhey]

3 MVPs going on 4

Career playoff averages: 27.7 ppg, 12.3rpg, 7.5 apg over 80 playoff games

1 ring and 1 FMVP

THAT is Jokic's career in a nutshell

their title run wasn't against difficult competition. the suns? LMAO minny? ROFL. the heat had absolutely no business being a finals atendee, like ZERO. i can think of many of teams that didn't make it that would kick their ass. not the nuggs fault...but it is what it is pal. and let's not get into how jokic would be 0/1 if it weren't for murray going super saiyan mode at the right time. odd how without murray turning into kobe, jokic can't get out of the 2nd round or beat minnesota again or a 3-18 wiz team. :ohwell:

[tontoz]

their title run wasn't against difficult competition. the suns? LMAO minny? ROFL. the heat had absolutely no business being a finals atendee, like ZERO. i can think of many of teams that didn't make it that would kick their ass. not the nuggs fault...but it is what it is pal. and let's not get into how jokic would be 0/1 if it weren't for murray going super saiyan mode at the right time. odd how without murray turning into kobe, jokic can't get out of the 2nd round or beat minnesota again or a 3-18 wiz team. :ohwell:


They beat Ant, KD, Lebron and AD just to get to the Finals.

A big reason for Murray going off is because the defense was focused on the MVP.

How many All Stars has Jokic played with?

*crickets*

[RRR3]

They beat Ant, KD, Lebron and AD just to get to the Finals.

A big reason for Murray going off is because the defense was focused on the MVP.

How many All Stars has Jokic played with?

*crickets*
This is like saying LeBron didnt have anyone who made the All-Star team when he won in 2016. It's technically true but ignores the level of play he got from his sidekick. Murray played like an all-star in the 2023 playoffs.

[SouBeachTalents]

It was vs a injury riddled 2024 Wizards on an 18 game losing streak guys....and he lost the game btw....but nice random "espn record" where you just look up some arbitrary numbers in a statline and notice only a handful of ppl have done it in the history of basketball to pump up a player. O look westbrook is the only back up to have 2 steals per game, while averaging 1 blk,10 ppg, and 15+ rebs and ast combined in the month of november in nba history.... He should be the 6 man!



man knock it off.



these damn espn babies disgust me
Tell me about it, you even have fakkits bragging about 31 point on 28 shots with 6 turnover games against lottery bound teams

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?519700-We-had-some-small-tremors-yesterday-afternoon-around-1-3-30-est-Be-Warned!!

[tontoz]

This is like saying LeBron didnt have anyone who made the All-Star team when he won in 2016. It's technically true but ignores the level of play he got from his sidekick. Murray played like an all-star in the 2023 playoffs.


Nonsense. Kyrie was a regular in the All-Star game. The only reason he didn't make it in 2016 is because he was hurt early in the season.

Murray was drafted in 2016 and still hasn't made an All-Star game.

It is comical how people make such a big deal of Murray averaging 26 ppg in playoffs during their title run. News flash: Jokic averaged 30 in the playoffs 3 years in a row.

[highwhey]

They beat Ant, KD, Lebron and AD just to get to the Finals.

A big reason for Murray going off is because the defense was focused on the MVP.

How many All Stars has Jokic played with?

*crickets*

20 year old ANT, 38 yeard old LeBron, 34 year old KD in hist first year in phx with a horrendous roster....


like i initially said, nikola's career in a nutshell

[highwhey]

Nonsense. Kyrie was a regular in the All-Star game. The only reason he didn't make it in 2016 is because he was hurt early in the season.

Murray was drafted in 2016 and still hasn't made an All-Star game.

It is comical how people make such a big deal of Murray averaging 26 ppg in playoffs during their title run. News flash: Jokic averaged 30 in the playoffs 3 years in a row.

do you ever read back what you write? newsflash, it is a big deal. like a pretty big deal.

[RRR3]

Nonsense. Kyrie was a regular in the All-Star game. The only reason he didn't make it in 2016 is because he was hurt early in the season.

Murray was drafted in 2016 and still hasn't made an All-Star game.

It is comical how people make such a big deal of Murray averaging 26 ppg in playoffs during their title run. News flash: Jokic averaged 30 in the playoffs 3 years in a row.
"Boo-boo-boo-buh-buh-buh accolades, just ignore how they actually played" is the argument you want to make? Murray averaged 26.1/5.7/7.1 on 58.6 TS% and you're trying to pretend that wasn't great help because he didn't get an accolade that Kevin Duckworth got during the regular season :biggums:

And guess what? Those stats are better across the board than Kyrie in the 2016 playoffs. Yikes

[tontoz]

20 year old ANT, 38 yeard old LeBron, 34 year old KD in hist first year in phx with a horrendous roster....


like i initially said, nikola's career in a nutshell



The suns were considered one of the favorites to win the title before the playoffs started. Booker was hotter than Murray ever was in the playoffs, by far. In fact Booker led the league in playoff scoring at 33 ppg that year.

Lebron and AD were both All NBA that year.

Ant was 22 and was 2nd team All NBA.

[tontoz]

"Boo-boo-boo-buh-buh-buh accolades, just ignore how they actually played" is the argument you want to make? Murray averaged 26.1/5.7/7.1 on 58.6 TS% and you're trying to pretend that wasn't great help because he didn't make an award during the regular season :biggums:

It was great help from a sidekick, but not close to the career playoff averages for Jokic.

[RRR3]

It was great help from a sidekick, but not close to the career playoff averages for Jokic.
Are you under the impression sidekicks are supposed to match or outperform the best player? I guess you are, being a Curry fan....

[highwhey]

The suns were considered one of the favorites to win the title before the playoffs started. Booker was hotter than Murray ever was in the playoffs, by far. In fact Booker led the league in playoff scoring at 33 ppg that year.

Lebron and AD were both All NBA that year.

Ant was 22 and was 2nd team All NBA.

LOL the suns roster was hot garbage, they had an injured CP3 and Ayton. nice try, funny how you make an excuse for nikola losing to THE WIZARDS since murray was out but can't seem to grasp not having your starting point guard and center during some of the playoff series can impact your team, and the suns still managed 2 wins, came close to a 3rd win. booker and kd playing well were the only reason they won any games but nobody else could hit their wide open shots.

very liltte of that run is impressive. a 3rd year player isn't even worth mentioning lol, especially when nikola lost to his 2 years later :oldlol:

[tontoz]

Are you under the impression sidekicks are supposed to match or outperform the best player? I guess you are, being a Curry fan....



The way people talk about Murray's playoff run they act like it was legendary stuff. It wasn't. Jokic was dominant and was the obvious focus of every defense they faced.

[tontoz]

LOL the suns roster was hot garbage, they had an injured CP3 and Ayton. nice try, funny how you make an excuse for nikola losing to THE WIZARDS since murray was out but can't seem to grasp not having your starting point guard and center during some of the playoff series can impact your team, and the suns still managed 2 wins, came close to a 3rd win. booker and kd playing well were the only reason they won any games but nobody else could hit their wide open shots.

very liltte of that run is impressive. a 3rd year player isn't even worth mentioning lol, especially when nikola lost to his 2 years later :oldlol:


A random game in the regular season when Poole makes 4 more 3s than Denver's whole team isn't that important.

A guy making 2nd team All-NBA isn't worth mentioning?

*eye roll*

[highwhey]

The way people talk about Murray's playoff run they act like it was legendary stuff. It wasn't. Jokic was dominant and was the obvious focus of every defense they faced.

because it was a great performance and they would not have won a title without it, nor have they won without it

[highwhey]

A random game in the regular season when Poole makes 4 more 3s than Denver's whole team isn't that important.

A guy making 2nd team All-NBA isn't worth mentioning?

*eye roll*

not with the talent around ant. but he beat the nuggets fully healthy 2 years later :confusedshrug:

[SouBeachTalents]

The way people talk about Murray's playoff run they act like it was legendary stuff. It wasn't. Jokic was dominant and was the obvious focus of every defense they faced.
How many 2nd options scored more than that during a championship run? I believe only Kobe, Curry & LeBron, three of the greatest players of all time. Even with stats being inflated due to the era, that statistically is an ATG title run for a 2nd option.

[tontoz]

not with the talent around ant. but he beat the nuggets fully healthy 2 years later :confusedshrug:

Actually it was one year later :facepalm and Minny's team was the same as the year before. They didn't make any big additions.

[tontoz]

How many 2nd options scored more than that during a championship run? I believe only Kobe, Curry & LeBron, three of the greatest players of all time. Even with stats being inflated due to the era, that statistically is an ATG title run for a 2nd option.



But it wasnt even close to the career average for Jokic.

A lot of good players can get hot with their jumpers. In that same postseason Booker averaged 33.7 ppg with a TS of 68.6%.

[RRR3]

But it wasnt even close to the career average for Jokic.

A lot of good players can get hot with their jumpers. In that same postseason Booker averaged 33.7 ppg with a TS of 68.6%.
Murray sucks because he's not as good as Jokic, brilliant logic :bowdown:

[tontoz]

Murray sucks because he's not as good as Jokic, brilliant logic :bowdown:

Where did i say he sucked during their title run? :facepalm

Granted he did get merked by 2nd option Booker when they played the Suns, but i wouldn't say he sucked.

I would say he sucks this season so far and sucked in the most recent playoffs.

[RRR3]

Where did i say he sucked during their title run? :facepalm

Granted he did get merked by 2nd option Booker when they played the Suns, but i wouldn't say he sucked.

I would say he sucks this season so far and sucked in the most recent playoffs.
You keep bringing up the fact that Jokic had better numbers as if that means anything. I would hope the best player outproduces the sidekick :lol

[tontoz]

You keep bringing up the fact that Jokic had better numbers as if that means anything. I would hope the best player outproduces the sidekick :lol

They weren't just better. They were a lot better but you wouldnt know it they way people talk up Murray, who got badly outplayed by another 2nd option in a 6 game series that year.

[RRR3]

They weren't just better. They were a lot better but you wouldnt know it they way people talk up Murray, who got badly outplayed by another 2nd option in a 6 game series that year.
People say Murray had an amazing run as the second option, which is true, no one says he was their MVP. Like it or not, he put up peak Kyrie Irving numbers that playoff run, pretty good stuff.

[tontoz]

People say Murray had an amazing run as the second option, which is true, no one says he was their MVP. Like it or not, he put up peak Kyrie Irving numbers that playoff run, pretty good stuff.

Yeah but he just got hot with his jumper. Nobody thinks Murray is better than Kyrie. Kyrie has made 8 AS games and 3 All NBA teams.

[RRR3]

Yeah but he just got hot with his jumper. Nobody thinks Murray is better than Kyrie. Kyrie has made 8 AS games and 3 All NBA teams.
Except he did it in the 2020 playoffs too. Until last year he was an elite playoff performer, and he was dealing with injuries last year. Kyrie being better in the regular season doesn't really mean much, they've been very similar in the playoffs. Jokic had plenty of help for his ring, framing it as some Hakeem like run is absurd.

[tontoz]

Except he did it in the 2020 playoffs too. Until last year he was an elite playoff performer, and he was dealing with injuries last year. Kyrie being better in the regular season doesn't really mean much, they've been very similar in the playoffs. Jokic had plenty of help for his ring, framing it as some Hakeem like run is absurd.


I can't even remember the last time i mentioned Hakeem. It is the people trolling Jokic that keep bringing up Murray and their title run, while ignorig that Murray gets targeted on defense against any team they face.

[Axe]

Before winning their first title, denver used to get bounced early in the playoffs. I think it's fair to say that the presence of both murray and mpj really helps the team there as well.

[tontoz]

Before winning their first title, denver used to get bounced early in the playoffs. I think it's fair to say that the presence of both murray and mpj really helps the team there as well.

Obviously having their 2nd and 3rd best scorers helps in the playoffs. Duh

However they did win a playoff series without both.

[Axe]

Umm of course uncle. But they were all together in their first finals run, weren't they? That was my point.

[tontoz]

Umm of course uncle. But they were all together in their first finals run, weren't they? That was my point.


Stellar point there, one of your best ever. :bowdown:

How many teams won a title without their 2nd and 3rd leading scorers?

[Axe]

You already know the answer to that. Obviously those guys don't make it without him (joker) too.

[fourkicks44]

DeAndre Jordan was an All-Star.

[tontoz]

DeAndre Jordan was an All-Star.


Are you trying to say that a guy who made 3 All NBA teams shouldn't be an All Star? He was also 1st team All NBA defense twice.

[fourkicks44]

Are you trying to say that a guy who made 3 All NBA teams shouldn't be an All Star? He was also 1st team All NBA defense twice.

Not at all just pointing out an All-Star Jokic played with on the championship team

[tontoz]

Not at all just pointing out an All-Star Jokic played with on the championship team

:lol

Good one I didnt even remember he was on the team. He only played 4 games in the playoffs averaging 1.3 ppg so i doubt that moved the needle.

[RRR3]

:lol

Good one I didnt even remember he was on the team. He only played 4 games in the playoffs averaging 1.3 ppg so i doubt that moved the needle.
3ball claims LeBron needed Kevin Love's 8.5 PPG on 46.8 TS% to win the 2016 finals.

[SouBeachTalents]

3ball claims LeBron needed Kevin Love's 8.5 PPG on 46.8 TS% to win the 2016 finals.
He also claimed he outplayed Dray in that series.

[RRR3]

he also claimed he outplayed dray in that series.
what. Where?

[BarberSchool]

Back to backs no less, for a dude who has put back on some of the weight he lost in seasons prior. His “mental game” & “using elite anticipation & elite passing in full court and half court to exert less energy, while making the defense exert a ton of energy” is 2nd to none.

[SouBeachTalents]

what. Where?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?472545-3rd-option-matchups-in-the-ECF-and-Finals-for-MJ-and-Lebron-s-title-runs&p=13829366#post13829366

He also said Bosh outplayed the opposing teams 3rd option in the 2012 & 2013 ECF's, two brazen lies :lol

[tontoz]

I think I deserve some sort of medal for getting 3ball to concede defeat in a Jordan argument.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496203-Which-games-was-Michael-Jordan-outplayed-by-an-opposing-player/page2

[highwhey]

I think I deserve some sort of medal for getting 3ball to concede defeat in a Jordan argument.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496203-Which-games-was-Michael-Jordan-outplayed-by-an-opposing-player/page2

that fggt admitted during the 3rd week of the covid shutdowns that LeBron was better than Jordan. wish i would have screenshotted that.

[warriorfan]

RRR3 and Highweight are literally the worst posters ever

[RRR3]

RRR3 and Highweight are literally the worst posters ever
I can always tell when you're having a rough day because you try to start a fight out of nowhere :roll:

[Axe]

I can always tell when you're having a rough day because you try to start a fight out of nowhere :roll:
:milton

[ArbitraryWater]

their title run wasn't against difficult competition. the suns? LMAO minny? ROFL. the heat had absolutely no business being a finals atendee, like ZERO.

sure even though they were 1 shot away from being in the finals the year before also and 2 years before that were in the finals too, with the same core :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

I can always tell when you're having a rough day because you try to start a fight out of nowhere :roll:


i know we can tell when you had a painful day






































:milton

[Full Court]

their title run wasn't against difficult competition. the suns? LMAO minny? ROFL. the heat had absolutely no business being a finals atendee, like ZERO. i can think of many of teams that didn't make it that would kick their ass. not the nuggs fault...but it is what it is pal. and let's not get into how jokic would be 0/1 if it weren't for murray going super saiyan mode at the right time. odd how without murray turning into kobe, jokic can't get out of the 2nd round or beat minnesota again or a 3-18 wiz team. :ohwell:

This is true. The 2023 Heat were the second weakest finals team in decades, with the weakest being the 2020 Heat.

[warriorfan]

I can always tell when you're having a rough day because you try to start a fight out of nowhere :roll:

projection of the year :lol

“existence is pain”

lmaooo

[hold this L]

They beat Ant, KD, Lebron and AD just to get to the Finals.

A big reason for Murray going off is because the defense was focused on the MVP.

How many All Stars has Jokic played with?

*crickets*

They have one of the worst playoff championships in NBA history. There's a reason the dude is almost 30 years old and has beaten 1 50-win team during his entire playoff career. Their opponent SRS is one of the worst in NBA history, if not the worst ever.

[Neal Romer]

They have one of the worst playoff championships in NBA history. There's a reason the dude is almost 30 years old and has beaten 1 50-win team during his entire playoff career. Their opponent SRS is one of the worst in NBA history, if not the worst ever.


Well he was without key teammates when they were eliminated by both the Suns and Warriors 21 and 22. As we saw with Lebron, a great player can only carry an injured team so far. Once they come back, he got a W. Actually I suppose we saw something similar with Steph's finals in '19. No key teammates, no W.

Jokic got his teammates back in 23, got a W.

So "the reason hes only beaten 1 50 win team" appears to be that hes had a limited number of opportunities with a quality, healthy supporting cast. If Lebron and Steph cant be expected to win finals with injured teammates, why are we gonna expect it from Thicc Nik?

[hold this L]

Well he was without key teammates when they were eliminated by both the Suns and Warriors 21 and 22. As we saw with Lebron, a great player can only carry an injured team so far. Once they come back, he got a W. Actually I suppose we saw something similar with Steph's finals in '19. No key teammates, no W.

Jokic got his teammates back in 23, got a W.

So "the reason hes only beaten 1 50 win team" appears to be that hes had a limited number of opportunities with a quality, healthy supporting cast. If Lebron and Steph cant be expected to win finals with injured teammates, why are we gonna expect it from Thicc Nik?
I didn't realize the guy that's turning 30 soon started his career in 2023.

[Neal Romer]

I didn't realize the guy that's turning 30 soon started his career in 2023.


:wtf:


Okay, clearly this has not been a Great Moment In Reading Comprehension History.

[tontoz]

:wtf:


Okay, clearly this has not been a Great Moment In Reading Comprehension History.



Not to mention that two recent seasons were cut short by covid. Not easy to win 50 games in a 72 game season.

The only time he lost in the first round was facing the champs without MPJ and Murray.