Both of these plays were credited as LeBron assists in a recent triple double.

[Kblaze8855]

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[highwhey]

before i share my opinion, who did those statisticians vote for?

[Shaquille O'Neal]

Those are NOT assists.

[highwhey]

Those are NOT assists.

they both immediately start driving to the basket so it technically does count as an assist

[Real Men Wear Green]

Triple-double has been massively devalued by modern ball-dominant guards but they need something to prop up James as still being an elite player. And to be fair it's the kind of thing home score keepers do for their players all the time anyway. I wish people could acknowledge that James is an all-time great while accepting the fact that no one is going to dominate at 40 but we're just not allowed to be rational.

[RRR3]

Triple-double has been massively devalued by modern ball-dominant guards but they need something to prop up James as still being an elite player. And to be fair it's the kind of thing home score keepers do for their players all the time anyway. I wish people could acknowledge that James is an all-time great while accepting the fact that no one is going to dominate at 40 but we're just not allowed to be rational.
I mean he was dominating at 39. Congrats on him finally declining I guess.

[Kblaze8855]

they both immediately start driving to the basket so it technically does count as an assist

Im not sure if the rules were ever updated from the days they didn’t count it if a dribble came between pass and shot. They definitely started calling it differently but I don’t know if the writing changed.

Rondo used to get some wild ones. I gotta see if I can find one he got in a 20 assist game to pierce. We used to laugh at it.

[SouBeachTalents]

Im not sure if the rules were ever updated from the days they didn’t count it if a dribble came between pass and shot. They definitely started calling it differently but I don’t know if the writing changed.

Rondo used to get some wild ones. I gotta see if I can find one he got in a 20 assist game to pierce. We used to laugh at it.
I know Frazier's 19 assists in Game 7 is also highly disputed.

[Kblaze8855]

One of Rondos 20 assists

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[Kblaze8855]

I know Frazier's 19 assists in Game 7 is also highly disputed.

I think the 36/19 was originally a straight up mistake that should have said 9 but history just took it and ran with it. Frazier included.

[tpols]

In the 1st one, not only did Lebron make a perfect chest pass to his teammate, he also set the screen to get him the open jumper. That should've counted as 2 assists.

On the 2nd he did a QB pitch to AD to set Davis up with some downhill lane to run and led to the easy basket. If you look closely he also winked at AD when handing the ball off, which inspired extra confidence.

Those were classic dime pieces.

[SouBeachTalents]

In the 1st one, not only did Lebron make a perfect chest pass to his teammate, he also set the screen to get him the open jumper. That should've counted as 2 assists.

On the 2nd he did a QB pitch to AD to set Davis up with some downhill lane to run and led to the easy basket. If you look closely he also winked at AD when handing the ball off, which inspired extra confidence.

Those were classic dime pieces.
One of the best posts I've seen from you :applause:

[Duffy Pratt]

I think the 36/19 was originally a straight up mistake that should have said 9 but history just took it and ran with it. Frazier included.

The video of the “full game” on YouTube has some major gaps. Early in the 3rd, the announcer says Frazier has 11 assists. I counted 7, but I also noticed that NY had gone up seven points in scoring with no action shown (and that wasn’t the first gap I missed). On a side note, I also counted six steals by Frazier in the footage shown, giving up my watch in the early 3rd.

[mr4speed]

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Wow!! Perfect example of why you cannot compare stats across different eras. I mean 3 dribbles?? LOL. If there was one dribble there was not an assist ( way back in the day)..

[warriorfan]

One of Rondos 20 assists

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I think I’ve seen you post this one a few times :lol

It’s deserving, shit is wild :lol

[StrongLurk]

This stuff happens all the time.

One thing you can't fudge a little bit is BUCKETS. Bron got a lot of them.

[Kblaze8855]

I think I’ve seen you post this one a few times :lol

It’s deserving, shit is wild :lol

there are a few things I just can’t fully let Go. Speaking of witch, I probably need to find the clip of Dennis Rodman pretending to ballroom dance with a guy to piss him off and get him a technical so I can repost that shortly.

I probably posted that one in conjunction with that old grizzlies stat guy who admitted he just fabricated 23 assist one day for NVE to see if he could get away with it and actually got praised by his bosses for getting the team on sports center.

[Kblaze8855]

Oh and left out of the Nick Van Exel story is the fact that the guy just didn’t like Mutombo so he altered his stats because he could



I also got bitched out by an Atlanta management guy because he felt I hadn't hooked Mutombo up enough w/ blocks in a particular first half. (I hadn't - I didn't like him because he was partly responsible for beating the Sonics and because I thought he was a bit of a punk so I made sure he didn't get a singly block that I wasn't sure he'd gotten - which was one in that half.) I told the management guy that the box score reflected the game and if Mutombo wanted more blocks, he needed to earn them.

About 5 minutes later, Deke walked out for pregame warmups, asked the official scorer (the person who enters fouls and points in the archaic official scorebook) who does stats, she kindly pointed him to me, and he proceeded to glare at me for about a minute (which is, imo, a really long time for a gigantic man to glare at you). I want to say he blocked three 2nd-half shots and after each one, he made a point of, um, ensuring that I'd gotten them.

[Full Court]

I mean he was dominating at 39. Congrats on him finally declining I guess.

The only thing he was dominating at age 39 was your fanatasies.

Only to a Bronie fluffer is a first round near-sweep "dominating." And he wasn't even the best player on his own team.

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[ILLsmak]

They were both sus, but the second one was just not ok. The first one, he did set him a pick. I mean, how much more assisting can you be? Give someone the ball, free them up.

Assists will always be a subjective stat. I define it as setting someone up for a score, so giving someone a good look where they score is an assist. If you dump it into Shaq and he posts up and scores, that's an assist. The issue with some of those other plays is like... what did dude do to assist? I guess in some ways giving people the ball downhill is ok, and in that way I feel better about the Rondo assist than I do about the second Bron one.

But giving AD in a spot where he has no advantage, outside of his shooting range, when he drives and scores is... not an assist in any way.

I remember Larry Bird losing his shit in a book or on some vid where he was like THEY ARE EVEN GIVING ASSISTS ON INBOUNDS. I was thinking how could that be bad, but I wonder if he meant like after basket inbounds haha. In some ways, I think he had to.

I think if you pass to someone who can catch in a position and then make a move where they do the majority of the work, it's still an assist. I don't necessarily believe in a time limit or dribbles, but it's just about is there any conceivable way you could say they gave you a scoring look. And giving PP the ball on the break is kinda that. Picks don't count, so I say that a bit tongue in cheek, but he did a lot in helping him score there, so I am not too mad. The second is one of the worst.

Edit: the telltale sign it wasn't an assist is Bron didn't even know he was driving haha. He was getting ready to spot up, completely unaware, then he's like ah.

-Smak

[iamgine]

Like with rebounds or steals, there are weak assists and strong assists.

There are steals where the opponent just lose the ball. There are rebounds where the ball just bounce your way.