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iamgine
12-13-2024, 12:49 AM
Gritty, physical style of play, rough defense, intimidation, villain persona.

I think some of the mediocre teams ought to try this route. At least they will have an identity. Too many NBA teams are just not that interesting.

Real Men Wear Green
12-13-2024, 01:17 AM
It would be fine if they take out the fouls they handed out. They were accustomed to regularly giving hits that would get them ejected today. But there's no reason why Rodman or Dumars wouldn't be a great defender. They would also have to shoot threes on pace with modern teams or risk getting blown out a lot.

Xiao Yao You
12-13-2024, 08:19 AM
It would be fine if they take our the fouls they handed out. They were accustomed to regularly giving his that would get them ejected rosary. But there's no reason why Rodman or Dumars wouldn't be a great defender. They would also have to shoot threes on pace with modern teams or risk getting blown out a lot.

Funny thing is that they were too perimeter oriented. Thats why they traded tripuka for dantley and added james edwards which made them a contender

Charlie Sheen
12-13-2024, 12:37 PM
Gritty, physical style of play, rough defense, intimidation, villain persona.

I think some of the mediocre teams ought to try this route. At least they will have an identity. Too many NBA teams are just not that interesting.

Not if that is all you boil it down to because they had the talent to contend and the ideal blend of skilled athletic youth. I count Rodman as youth because he was young in nba years. They were far from mediocre.

Kblaze8855
12-13-2024, 01:12 PM
Lost in all the villain reputation is that depending on the year the Pistonsn could start a full 4 hall of famers plus Laimbeer who was a 4 time all star who averaged just under 18/12 in 85 before all that winning. They weren’t some scrappy group of decent players using violence to play better than their talent. They were incredibly talented.

In 89 they started 2 hall of famers, 2 all stars, and had a hall of famer in Rodman and a 6th man of the year type in Vinnie Johnson both off the bench.

They would kick your ass…but they were really really really good.

iamgine
12-13-2024, 01:26 PM
Lost in all the villain reputation is that depending on the year the Pistonsn could start a full 4 hall of famers plus Laimbeer who was a 4 time all star who averaged just under 18/12 in 85 before all that winning. They weren’t some scrappy group of decent players using violence to play better than their talent. They were incredibly talented.

In 89 they started 2 hall of famers, 2 all stars, and had a hall of famer in Rodman and a 6th man of the year type in Vinnie Johnson both off the bench.

They would kick your ass…but they were really really really good.

I don't doubt they're great collectively but none of them was even a top 10 player. These are the types who only made HOF because they're part of that team.

Duffy Pratt
12-13-2024, 01:33 PM
I don't doubt they're great collectively but none of them was even a top 10 player. These are the types who only made HOF because they're part of that team.

BS. Isiah would have been a hall of famer anywhere. Same for Rodman. Dantley is in largely for what he did before he got to Detroit. Dumars is more borderline, but would be in if he were on any half decent team.

And Laimbeer would be in except that everyone hates him. His non-dirty play is tremendously underrated.

iamgine
12-13-2024, 01:56 PM
BS. Isiah would have been a hall of famer anywhere. Same for Rodman. Dantley is in largely for what he did before he got to Detroit. Dumars is more borderline, but would be in if he were on any half decent team.

And Laimbeer would be in except that everyone hates him. His non-dirty play is tremendously underrated.

The bar for hof is kinda low so maybe youre right. I was thinking if they were at that 89 level they wouldnt individually made hof without title.

Kblaze8855
12-13-2024, 02:02 PM
I don't doubt they're great collectively but none of them was even a top 10 player. These are the types who only made HOF because they're part of that team.

Isiah was a HOF guy before they changed styles and his numbers declined.

This is 7 straight months of prime Isiah

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He had all time PG production when he was asked to do it. Tim Hardaway is a hall of famer and he was never more productive than pre Bad Boys Isiah. Very few points ever were. When they were running, they were a top five team in pace for years. Then they slow down and became 13th then last in the league then second to last in the league then last in the league. They became a grind out team calling post Ups and playing tough.

But his ability to push the pace and put up epic numbers was verified before all that.

And Dumars had HOF ability as well as a total player. Dantley is in the HOF for his career in Utah which proved what he was before being a contender there…Rodman was more famous in Chicago and that run probably got him the notoriety to make it even with his accolades in Detroit.

Aguirre was a justifiable all star in Dallas. Laimbeer la accolades were from before the winning.

All those guys earned their status before or after the bad boys run other than Dumars. His fame came from that run but he was a 5 time all star after they stopped winning.

Laimbeer is the only one of them who didn’t build or considerably increase his rep outside that run. He was an All-Star before that run, but he wasn’t some big name. But in his case, people think he was just some big goon who couldn’t play. He probably loses points as a player to the public because of being on that team. People don’t even acknowledge he was a good basketball player.

Media Moderator
12-13-2024, 04:08 PM
No but the Portland Jailblazers strategy might after all the Diddy bombs are dropped

L.Kizzle
12-13-2024, 04:41 PM
Yes it would and I wish someone would do it. The NBA is a copycat league and if one team do it everyone would follow the leader.

iamgine
12-13-2024, 11:15 PM
Isiah was a HOF guy before they changed styles and his numbers declined.

This is 7 straight months of prime Isiah

https://www.hostpic.org/images/2412132324230104.jpeg


He had all time PG production when he was asked to do it. Tim Hardaway is a hall of famer and he was never more productive than pre Bad Boys Isiah. Very few points ever were. When they were running, they were a top five team in pace for years. Then they slow down and became 13th then last in the league then second to last in the league then last in the league. They became a grind out team calling post Ups and playing tough.

But his ability to push the pace and put up epic numbers was verified before all that.

And Dumars had HOF ability as well as a total player. Dantley is in the HOF for his career in Utah which proved what he was before being a contender there…Rodman was more famous in Chicago and that run probably got him the notoriety to make it even with his accolades in Detroit.

Aguirre was a justifiable all star in Dallas. Laimbeer la accolades were from before the winning.

All those guys earned their status before or after the bad boys run other than Dumars. His fame came from that run but he was a 5 time all star after they stopped winning.

Laimbeer is the only one of them who didn’t build or considerably increase his rep outside that run. He was an All-Star before that run, but he wasn’t some big name. But in his case, people think he was just some big goon who couldn’t play. He probably loses points as a player to the public because of being on that team. People don’t even acknowledge he was a good basketball player.

I think HOF is kinda overrated. If guys like Jaylen Brown or Jrue or Derrick White can make it then...yeah Dumars would be around that level as well. But they're not like some ultra amazing player.

To me Laimbeer was their top 2-3 best player during that run.