Is the NBA now literally just about hoisting up more 3s?

[90sgoat]

Someone who understands coaching tell me.

I am watching OKC-HOU and it just dawned on me why all NBA teams play so fast they can't even keep up and run around like headless chickens?

Is it because they just literally aim to shoot more 3s than their opponent?

This is basketball according to the brightest coaching minds?

[highwhey]

Yes. it's ugly.

[Phoenix]

I think that's pretty inarguable at this point. The 2016 Warriors 3pt attempts would rank 28th in today's NBA. That team featured 2 of the top 5 shooters in league history, and 3 of the top 6-7 once they added KD. No team since then has had anywhere near that level of marksmanship, but the league collectively still acts like the 2017 Warriors are around and need to hoist 40-45 threes a night. At the rate we're going now, by 2030 50 attempts like what the Celtics are doing this year may be the floor.

[HylianNightmare]

Watching the same game thinking the same thing

[ShawkFactory]

Yes it’s not great and needs to be addressed moving forward.

However…OKC is a truly scary team. Particularly once Chet comes back, I don’t know if I see them losing to anyone. Including the Celtics.

They’re a completely different type of team but they’re giving 2015 Warriors as a dominant franchise. Young bucks with all the right pieces now flipping a switch.

[coin24]

I struggle to watch a regular season game now, it’s so boring..

Crazy this is what the league has become

[Kblaze8855]

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[highwhey]

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mid game went away like shag carpet

[warriorfan]

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in the paint it looks like a middle finger to the fans

[Im Still Ballin]

Push the above-the-break three-point line back 4-5 feet. Devalue the outside-in, self-generated three-point shot from the top. Create more space for two-point shot creation avenues like the mid-range, post-up, and slash. Get rid of three in the key.

[tpols]

in the paint it looks like a middle finger to the fans

:roll:

I saw that too. That's pretty hilarious.

[Phoenix]

in the paint it looks like a middle finger to the fans

:oldlol:

[Nowoco]

We know the problem. The question is how do you fix it? I've heard a few solutions, none of them great.

Incorporate a 4 point line
Remove the corner three and/or move back the three point line
Have a set amount of threes allowed per quarter, after that, any shot is worth 2 points regardless of where its from

The only solution that makes any sense and would solve the problem would be to remove the three point line altogether. Marksmen would still get buckers from wherever they want to shoot from but the inside post-up game would became invaluable and the mid-range would have a place again. There would be less blowouts, higher range of skill sets and more defense.

What do y'all think? It seems drastic but drastic times call for drastic measures. If anyone has a better solution, I'd love to hear it.

[90sgoat]

Get rid of 3 in the key, call carry, ban moving screens.

Just go back to FIBA like rules. FIBA also has a ton of 3s, but not as many to ruin the game.

[Phoenix]

We know the problem. The question is how do you fix it? I've heard a few solutions, none of them great.

Incorporate a 4 point line
Remove the corner three and/or move back the three point line
Have a set amount of threes allowed per quarter, after that, any shot is worth 2 points regardless of where its from

The only solution that makes any sense and would solve the problem would be to remove the three point line altogether. Marksmen would still get buckers from wherever they want to shoot from but the inside post-up game would became invaluable and the mid-range would have a place again. There would be less blowouts, higher range of skill sets and more defense.

What do y'all think? It seems drastic but drastic times call for drastic measures. If anyone has a better solution, I'd love to hear it.

Without changing any markings like removing or extending the 3point line, eliminate the corner etc etc, I would say the best compromise is capping 3's to a set amount. Instead of a set number per quarter, just make it over the course of the game. I would say 10, but I'm sure if they ever tried that it would be like 15. So teams would then need to employ situational use of the shot, and otherwise still need to try and actually outplay the other team in the X's and O's department.

I would do something totally insane like make the paint the only area worth 3 points( meaning of course teams would have to re-prioritize protecting it) but that would break the games of several players that simply have no in-between skillset. I'd love to see an exhibition game like that just to see how players adapted.

Personally, I'm not a fan of fundamentally shifting the game to these extents but very clearly it's broken and cries about too many tries have fallen on deaf ears. That's only one of the issues the league is facing, though, and even more drastic measures will be needed to combat those.

[Phoenix]

Why will removing 3 in the key improve things? Won't that just make players camp in the lane for an entire shotclock? What about increasing the time in the lane instead? 8 seconds? I don't know :confusedshrug:

[Real Men Wear Green]

The three has taken over because it's the most efficient offense. It would be deemphasized if it wasn't so efficient. That could be accomplished by letting the perimeter defenders get physical and being stricter with the travel rules. Make it so that a closely contested three is a bad shot instead of something that never happens because there's too much fear of a flagrant.

Of course until the second apron and/or new owner dismantles the Celtics I have no problem with any of this. Just my suggestions.

Also the bigger problem is all the missed games by stars.

[Phoenix]

I'm of the belief that some teams don't shoot well enough from 3 to be taking 40 of them. The problem is they're mathematically shot out of the building if they don't shoot them enough to even keep up. 11 teams shoot 35% or less and 7 of those teams take 35 attempts. That's not good basketball, but in Rome...

I agree that the scales need to be tipped more towards the middle with what the defense can do. I keep hearing that today's players are more skilled so they shouldn't have any much trouble adapting. Unless those greater skills are partly facilitated through the lack of contact and EXTREMELY flexible ball-handling/travel rules. I would say copy FIBA, which is a more physical brand. Including allowing players to tap the ball off the rim, go with existing rules that have already shown a more physical brand without completely reinventing the wheel.

[highwhey]

The three has taken over because it's the most efficient offense. It would be deemphasized if it wasn't so efficient. That could be accomplished by letting the perimeter defenders get physical and being stricter with the travel rules. Make it so that a closely contested three is a bad shot instead of something that never happens because there's too much fear of a flagrant.

Of course until the second apron and/or new owner dismantles the Celtics I have no problem with any of this. Just my suggestions.

Also the bigger problem is all the missed games by stars.

cetlics are incredibly boring because they are running with this philosophy.

[Real Men Wear Green]

cetlics are incredibly boring because they are running with this philosophy.

Celtics are"incredibly boring"because they've been dominating. They are not more boring than the next team trying to play the exact same style that just aren't as good at it or as good at defending against it...not to anyone thinking about it objectively anyhow. They didn't create the rules they adapted to them. Tatum Brown and Porzingis are all capable of taking a game over without shooting a single three. Jaylen Brown came into the league without the ability to hit the three at all. They've been coached into their approach because it works.

[90sgoat]

Why will removing 3 in the key improve things? Won't that just make players camp in the lane for an entire shotclock? What about increasing the time in the lane instead? 8 seconds? I don't know :confusedshrug:

It would help somewhat, because many 3s are the result of an open lane drive to the hoop and kick out, typically from a pick and roll, and then someone from the weakside has to rotate and then there's someone open at the 3.

If you allow centers to camp in the lane, you won't have that scramble to get to the driving player and the defense won't break down.

The 3 point spamming is essentially a result of those two things, moving screens and 3 in the key defensive imo.

[tpols]

Why will removing 3 in the key improve things? Won't that just make players camp in the lane for an entire shotclock? What about increasing the time in the lane instead? 8 seconds? I don't know :confusedshrug:

Ìt would make the 3pt spam even worse by making it harder to score in the paint.

[Phoenix]

I'm not even sure the issue is just the total amount of 3's( well it is, but here me out), it's more that it's just mostly a bunch of samey looking shooters playing samey looking offenses. Players who aren't 'really' great enough shooters taking enough 3's until the math.... maths. Steph Curry was a lightning in a bottle moment, nobody was sick of him taking 3's( I still don't think people are ) because the way he gets his shot off was and is so unique. Then you had Klay next to him doing shit like going off for 37 in a quarter, or 60 taking 11 dribbles over the game. The Warriors played a beautiful game where it didn't really feel like they were 'jacking up 3s' as it was an offense of pace and ball movement that set up guys who SHOULD be taking 10 3's a game because they were so fukking good at it.

I mean look at this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3m3BwfylA&ab_channel=NBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhOOssqKLas&ab_channel=CoshReport

Now you got retarded shit like guys running to the threepoint line for 3-on-2 fastbreaks instead of charging to the rim. Offenses are predicated on generating threes because of the math, when the Warriors were doing it because it maximized two otherworldly shooters on the same team. It should have been an aberration, and not entirely shift the way basketball is played now and going forward.

[ArbitraryWater]

I'm not even sure the issue is just the total amount of 3's( well it is, but here me out), it's more that it's just mostly a bunch of samey looking shooters playing samey looking offenses. Players who aren't 'really' great enough shooters taking enough 3's until the math.... maths. Steph Curry was a lightning in a bottle moment, nobody was sick of him taking 3's( I still don't think people are ) because the way he gets his shot off was and is so unique. Then you had Klay next to him doing shit like going off for 37 in a quarter, or 60 taking 11 dribbles over the game. The Warriors played a beautiful game where it didn't really feel like they were 'jacking up 3s' as it was an offense of pace and ball movement that set up guys who SHOULD be taking 10 3's a game because they were so fukking good at it.

I mean look at this shit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc3m3BwfylA&ab_channel=NBA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fhOOssqKLas&ab_channel=CoshReport

Now you got retarded shit like guys running to the threepoint line for 3-on-2 fastbreaks instead of charging to the rim. Offenses are predicated on generating threes because of the math, when the Warriors were doing it because it maximized two otherworldly shooters on the same team. It should have been an aberration, and not entirely shift the way basketball is played now and going forward.


Well yes, individuals taking a lot of 3s cause theyre masters is no problem.

But teams designing their game to 3s is yuck.

[Phoenix]

Well yes, individuals taking a lot of 3s cause theyre masters is no problem.

But teams designing their game to 3s is yuck.

Precisely....

[Nowoco]

Remember the "we done with the 90s" movement? That's all gone quiet hasn't it? We never had ratings issues or uncompetitive ASGs or load management in the 90s.

The funny thing is the douchebags running their mouths with that nonsense are the same idiots who aren't watching the NBA now. So it seems this same generation are done with the 2020s, their own ****ing era.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Wasn't there a game this past week where the Blazers were 4 for 43 from the three point line?

[90sgoat]

Ìt would make the 3pt spam even worse by making it harder to score in the paint.

Bruh, you didn't even attempt to understand what I wrote.

[Im Still Ballin]

Just move the three-point line back. Start with that. All the other suggestions are more extreme and should only be considered if the former bares no fruit. Removing three seconds in the key or extending it to 5-8 seconds + allowing hand-checking above the free-throw line are other rule changes I'd also be interested in.

[Kblaze8855]

We know the problem. The question is how do you fix it?


There is no fix. It will never ever change. Just get more extreme. The solution from the nba pov is the people who remember something else aging out of the key demographic so there is nobody left to complain.

Once this is all anyone remembers there is no problem to talk about. It’s just what basketball is.

[eliteballer]

There is no fix. It will never ever change. Just get more extreme. The solution from the nba pov is the people who remember something else aging out of the key demographic so there is nobody left to complain.

Once this is all anyone remembers there is no problem to talk about. It’s just what basketball is.

There is a fix.

Let them play defense and stop letting the offensive players travel and carry.

[90sgoat]

There is a fix.

Let them play defense and stop letting the offensive players travel and carry.

This.

It won't fix everything, but FIBA basketball is still watchable because the 3 ball isn't all dominant.

[Wally450]

Its like a world where everyone looks the same. Its boring after a while. There's no dynamic and variety of different types of teams like back in the day. You could look forward to matchups. Not anymore, every team is the same.

[Phoenix]

And right on schedule, a new NBA record was set tonight with 45 made 3s between Dallas and GS.

Well done fellas. :applause: