Cenk Uygur, Ana Kasparian and Trump Jr. agree on Small Gov Future, less regulations

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OTtKvLX1UM&ab_channel=JustinReloaded


More major Dem players continue to distance themself from the Democratic Party and/or fully switch over to Republican.

[RRR3]

The Young Turks realized they can make more money appealing to dim people like OP.

[ArbitraryWater]

The Young Turks realized they can make more money appealing to dim people like OP.


Rrr3 thinks its a conspiracy


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/37/Manwithtinfoilhat.jpg/320px-Manwithtinfoilhat.jpg

[j3lademaster]

Money is never a conspiracy. Money is the most honest and predictable thing in the world.

[RRR3]

More like people with IQs above room temperature can figure out what TYT is doing. Same thing Jimmy Dore and Dave Rubin did. Bunch of fake outrage to get money and attention. Yawn.

[RRR3]

Money is never a conspiracy. Money is the most honest and predictable thing in the world.
He's too dim to figure it out :(

[ArbitraryWater]

Money is never a conspiracy. Money is the most honest and predictable thing in the world.

Money is behind every single conspiracy, that doesnt make it not a conspiracy :lol Take another IQ test for us, the last one seems inaccurate.


I think these 2 comments sum it up well:

https://i.gyazo.com/3482049afa4e6e5e41e9e20212c11e62.png



Whats not a conspiracy is more and more peope are ditching the Democratic party jump ship.

Eventually, more and more left-leaners/Democrats will realize the Battle is not Left vs. Right, but Government / Establishment vs. People. Freedom vs. Restrictions.

[RRR3]

You can’t claim to be against government and then support AFD and Donald Trump.

[ArbitraryWater]

You can’t claim to be against government and then support AFD and Donald Trump.

Watch me.

[RRR3]

Watch me.
So you admit you’re not against government :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

So you admit you’re not against government :lol

What the **** is against government? Are you retarded? :oldlol:

[warriorfan]

existence is pain

[RRR3]

What the **** is against government? Are you retarded? :oldlol:
You literally just said it was government vs people a few posts ago. Are you going senile?

[diamenz]

rrr3 is such a grade a idiot that it's almost inconceivable. way to get hung up on labels and semantics while entirely missing the big picture here.

you didn't even watch the video. cutting pentagon spending after countless numbers of failed audits numbering in the billions, calling out corruption between military personnel and defense contractors which feeds into perpetual war and pardoning edward snowden is a win or everybody, everywhere, period.
but just because it's trump that's doing it, for some strange reason it's a problem for people on the left. it's good to know you're a part of that dumbass crowd and hence part of the problem in this country.

[RRR3]

rrr3 is such a grade a idiot that it's almost inconceivable. way to get hung up on labels and semantics while entirely missing the big picture here.

you didn't even watch the video. cutting pentagon spending after countless numbers of failed audits numbering in the billions, calling out corruption between military personnel and defense contractors which feeds into perpetual war and pardoning edward snowden is a win or everybody, everywhere, period.
but just because it's trump that's doing it, for some strange reason it's a problem for people on the left. it's good to know you're a part of that dumbass crowd and hence part of the problem in this country.
Trump won’t do any of that. The fact that you believe he would and you’re calling me a the idiot is hilarious. HE LITERALLY WAS IN OFFICE ALREADY AND STOCKS HIS CABINET WITH CORPORATISTS.







Dim :(

[diamenz]

Trump won’t do any of that.







Dim :(

in the apparent off-chance that he did, would you give him credit?

[RRR3]

in the apparent off-chance that he did, would you give him credit?
Yeah of course but why would you expect someone working with billionaires to do any of that stuff? And he was already in office and he didn’t do any of this based populist shit you stupidly think he’ll do. You got duped. AGAIN.

Genuinely realizing Trump is a corporate stooge takes five seconds of research. It’s not my fault you can’t be bothered to look into it. He had plenty of time to Pardon Snowden and Assange and he did neither. He did nothing to address military spending, he significantly increased drone strikes from Obama of all people :lol. He bailed out his billionaire buddies and screwed the working class. Somehow all Trump has to do is say he’ll do things and you guys gobble it up, he doesn’t even have to actually do it.

[j3lademaster]

in the apparent off-chance that he did, would you give him credit?

Of course, as long as we aren't just swapping out who's in charge i.e cutting military funding just to give it to Elon.

I'm honestly just very invested in the market right now and hoping that the self-serving decisions Trump and his billionaire buddies inevitably make trickle down to me.

[RRR3]

Of course, as long as we aren't just swapping out who's in charge i.e cutting military funding just to give it to Elon.

I'm honestly just very invested in the market right now and hoping that the self-serving decisions Trump and his billionaire buddies inevitably make trickle down to me.
They won't unless you're rich. Trickle down economics aren't a thing.

[diamenz]

Yeah of course but why would you expect someone working with billionaires to do any of that stuff? And he was already in office and he didn’t do any of this based populist shit you stupidly think he’ll do. You got duped. AGAIN.

Genuinely realizing Trump is a corporate stooge takes five seconds of research. It’s not my fault you can’t be bothered to look into it. He had plenty of time to Pardon Snowden and Assange and he did neither. He did nothing to address military spending, he significantly increased drone strikes from Obama of all people :lol. He bailed out his billionaire buddies and screwed the working class. Somehow all Trump has to do is say he’ll do things and you guys gobble it up, he doesn’t even have to actually do it.

on something like the tax cuts or the israel lobby you have a valid point and i agree with you on that.

but how much $ did the MIC donate to trump's campaign? what does he owe them as a return favor? there's no reason to outright dismiss the possibility trump taking action on these things.

[j3lademaster]

They won't unless you're rich. Trickle down economics aren't a thing.

You're generalizing too much.

[RRR3]

on something like the tax cuts or the israel lobby you have a valid point and i agree with you on that.

but how much $ did the MIC donate to trump's campaign? what does he owe them as a return favor? there's no reason to outright dismiss the possibility trump taking action on these things.
He was already in office and he bombed the shit out of the Middle East and INCREASED military spending, but you're expecting him to suddenly be some based anti-imperialist this time because....? And you have the nerve to call me stupid? :lol Genuinely, politicians can do whatever they want in office but as long as they lie about their intentions for the next term, they'll get people like you to vote them in again

[RRR3]

You're generalizing too much.
Reagan's economic policies are why we're in the situation we're in now in regards to income inequality.

[diamenz]

Of course, as long as we aren't just swapping out who's in charge i.e cutting military funding just to give it to Elon.

I'm honestly just very invested in the market right now and hoping that the self-serving decisions Trump and his billionaire buddies inevitably make trickle down to me.

it's always going to be self-serving in washington regardless of who's in charge ie tax cuts and israel first policy. we already know shit like that is already bought and paid for.

it's the things mentioned in the op that we need to clutch onto and hope get done. left & right can unite on these issues and create more pressure and momentum for these things to get done. but it's the morons that get caught up in the 'trump bad no matter what' hysteria that just compound the problem and push things in a negative direction.

[ArbitraryWater]

You literally just said it was government vs people a few posts ago. Are you going senile?

I equated government with establishment, aka specific gov doings.

Are you blind?


As diamenz said, you get hung up on specific words because you need to dumb everything down (generalize, as jade said) to your few parameters that you understand. Everything beyond it is beyond your scope.

[j3lademaster]

Reagan's economic policies are why we're in the situation we're in now in regards to income inequality.

I agree about Reagan and I've stated a lot of times that trickle down economic is highly flawed. But you can still position yourself to benefit. I.e Trump is probably going to deregulate fracking and drilling, because again money is honest and predictable, so VAL might be a good buy at its price right now.

[diamenz]

He was already in office and he bombed the shit out of the Middle East and INCREASED military spending, but you're expecting him to suddenly be some based anti-imperialist this time because....? And you have the nerve to call me stupid? :lol Genuinely, politicians can do whatever they want in office but as long as they lie about their intentions for the next term, they'll get people like you to vote them in again

follow the money. like i already said - allowing israel to run roughshod over the ME is already a given. trump's even admitted to being controlled by big money in that regard.

but on the other stuff? don't be so quick to dismiss them out of hand. trump's an elite but he isn't an establishment swamp creature the likes of a joe biden or george bush.

[diamenz]

VAL might be a good buy at its price right now.


do you realize who you're talking to?

[RRR3]

follow the money. like i already said - allowing israel to run roughshod over the ME is already a given. trump's even admitted to being controlled by big money in that regard.

but on the other stuff? don't be so quick to dismiss them out of hand. trump's an elite but he isn't an establishment swamp creature the likes of a joe biden or george bush.
Trump is a literal oligarch. And we already know what his presidency would look like. If it makes you feel better to think he'll give the working class anything, go ahead, but you're going to be sorely disappointed.

[RRR3]

I equated government with establishment, aka specific gov doings.

Are you blind?


As diamenz said, you get hung up on specific words because you need to dumb everything down (generalize, as jade said) to your few parameters that you understand. Everything beyond it is beyond your scope.
You redefining words does not make me the dumb one. Citing j3lade is funny because he agrees with me a lot more than he agrees with your bootlicking ass.

[RRR3]

I agree about Reagan and I've stated a lot of times that trickle down economic is highly flawed. But you can still position yourself to benefit. I.e Trump is probably going to deregulate fracking and drilling, because again money is honest and predictable, so VAL might be a good buy at its price right now.
Making money while the environment collapses rendering Earth uninhabitable in the near future isn't really something to look forward to. Money is not going to matter once full ecological collapse happens.

[diamenz]

Trump is a literal oligarch. And we already know what his presidency would look like. If it makes you feel better to think he'll give the working class anything, go ahead, but you're going to be sorely disappointed.

"oligarch". again with the labels. what are you going on about?

there's three issues being talked about in the op. either address them specifically or quit wasting space here to air your personal "anarchist" grievances and trump derangement.

[RRR3]

"oligarch". again with the labels. what are you going on about?

there's three issues being talked about in the op. either address them specifically or quit wasting space here to air your personal "anarchist" grievances and trump derangement.
What, your insane position that a billionaire is going to do stuff like move away from the MIC and pardon Snowden? He was already in office, he did the opposite of stuff like that. You being easily duped by lying politicians does not make me the stupid one. Seeing Trump for what he is is not derangement, the fact that you still don't get he's not on your side despite being a literal billionaire is comical.

[diamenz]

there's just no talking to this guy. :lol

[RRR3]

there's just no talking to this guy. :lol
You are painting me as the irrational one for saying it's illogical to expect Trump to do the opposite of what he did in office the first time he was in office.

[j3lademaster]

Making money while the environment collapses rendering Earth uninhabitable in the near future isn't really something to look forward to. Money is not going to matter once full ecological collapse happens.

That sounds like a different discussion altogether. You said trickle down never works, and I simply gave a single example of how a normal person that isn't filthy rich can position themselves to benefit from trickle down economics. Obviously, VAL can go bankrupt and this prediction can age like milk, too. You can't predict the market, all you can do is hedge your bets.

Look, I'm not against saving the environment and clean energy and m4all. But at the same time I also believe that it's up to us to make the best decision possible given the circumstance, and not every hand will be a winner; sometimes you're just picking the least shitty choice. Me crying about it isn't going to solve anything, the deregulations will still come and if it's not me benefitting from it it'll be someone else. I'm small and unimportant in the grand scheme of things so all I can do is make sure when my 2 girls get to their respective ages I can pay for their college, wedding, downpayment for a house(or just straight up buy them houses if I'm 'like dat, like dat' in 15ish years).

[RRR3]

That sounds like a different discussion altogether. You said trickle down never works, and I simply gave a single example of how a normal person that isn't filthy rich can position themselves to benefit from trickle down economics. Obviously, VAL can go bankrupt and this prediction can age like milk, too. You can't predict the market, all you can do is hedge your bets.

Look, I'm not against saving the environment and clean energy and m4all. But at the same time I also believe that it's up to us to make the best decision possible given the circumstance, and not every hand will be a winner; sometimes you're just picking the least shitty choice. Me crying about it isn't going to solve anything, the deregulations will still come and if it's not me benefitting from it it'll be someone else. I'm small and unimportant in the grand scheme of things so all I can do is make sure when my 2 girls get to their respective ages I can pay for their college, wedding, downpayment for a house(or just straight up buy them houses if I'm 'like dat, like dat' in 15ish years).
It doesn't work the way the people championing it say it works. If it did we wouldn't have insane wealth inequality. It certainly works for some people, but not the working class, which is what I'm concerned about. This kind of economic model historically is how you end up with members of the ruling class getting whacked (see Ryan Thompson recently). Most Americans realize there's a problem but still think one of the two political parties can save them because there is a distinct lack of class consciousness (which is intentional because it's repressed by society).

[ArbitraryWater]

You redefining words does not make me the dumb one. Citing j3lade is funny because he agrees with me a lot more than he agrees with your bootlicking ass.

Im not redefining anything.

Government was clearly said in the context of establishment.

Being against a government is anarchy, which I am clearly not and no one would have drawn that conclusion from that sentence.

People are catching onto the fact that youre a moron.

[RRR3]

Im not redefining anything.

Government was clearly said in the context of establishment.

Being against a government is anarchy, which I am clearly not and no one would have drawn that conclusion from that sentence.

People are catching onto the fact that youre a moron.
Ok for one, any government in power becomes the establishment :hammerhead: But even if you want to claim that's not true the kind of corporate politics you're defining as being "government" is not something Trump is against, so....why are you supporting him? You seriously believe he's going to do any of this stuff like move away from the MIC? Pardon people like Snowden? Did you pay attention to his first term? TYT are not anti-establishment anyways, they used to support Dems, now they're grifting to the other party. When have they ever espoused genuine revolutionary rhetoric?

Trump and his cronies will soon control all of Washington DC and he's still got you duped into thinking he's anti-establishment. It doesn't make any logical sense.

[j3lademaster]

It doesn't work the way the people championing it say it works. If it did we wouldn't have insane wealth inequality. It certainly works for some people, but not the working class, which is what I'm concerned about. This kind of economic model historically is how you end up with members of the ruling class getting whacked (see Ryan Thompson recently). Most Americans realize there's a problem but still think one of the two political parties can save them because there is a distinct lack of class consciousness (which is intentional because it's repressed by society).I 100% agree. One of my thesis papers in college was about how forcing/encouraging americans to become part of the market(401k, stocks in general, streamlining stocks through puts) in order to have enough to retire pits working class people against each other and creates simps for corporations. It's like being a hardcore Steelers fan but you have Derrick Henry on your fantasy team, so having Henry score 4 rushing td's that week is more important than your team winning.

My opinion has not changed, so that should sum up where my 'beliefs' are about it.

[RRR3]

I 100% agree. One of my thesis papers in college was about how forcing/encouraging americans to become part of the market(401k, stocks in general, streamlining stocks through puts) in order to have enough to retire pits working class people against each other and creates simps for corporations. It's like being a hardcore Steelers fan but you have Derrick Henry on your fantasy team, so having Henry score 4 rushing td's that week is more important than your team winning.

My opinion has not changed, so that should sum up where my 'beliefs' are about it.
I mean yes the working class needs to unite of course, that's a basic tenet of my belief system, but the OP and Diamenz thinking DTJ or TYT have any insight into the working class is just....there's no way to get through to these people, which is why I get frustrated. None of these people give a **** about us, peddling yourself as anti-establishment means very little to me when your actions say otherwise. The only remotely anti-corporate candidate we've had in recent years was Sanders, and even he was still trying to preserve the system in a way rather than tear it down completely. The Trumps are massive corporate stooges and TYT are union busting grifters, if you're thinking they're being honest about any of this, you are not doing your research. And the reason the working class won't unite is because of people like Trump. But you have people worshipping him so hard that if I bring up his real flaws I get labelled as stupid. I don't know how to reason with such brainwashing.

[Neal Romer]

https://i.postimg.cc/RCTzmXXc/IMG-1652.png


:roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

Ok for one, any government in power becomes the establishment :hammerhead: But even if you want to claim that's not true the kind of corporate politics you're defining as being "government" is not something Trump is against, so....why are you supporting him? You seriously believe he's going to do any of this stuff like move away from the MIC? Pardon people like Snowden? Did you pay attention to his first term? TYT are not anti-establishment anyways, they used to support Dems, now they're grifting to the other party. When have they ever espoused genuine revolutionary rhetoric?

Trump and his cronies will soon control all of Washington DC and he's still got you duped into thinking he's anti-establishment. It doesn't make any logical sense.


The establishment is not the ruing party you muppet :lol

The word established gives it away.

You sti guiby think there is nothing beyond the ruling party. There are no other powerful people and if there were theyd have no plans or ever came together to fulfill any plans. Youre gullible.

Its the ruling power thats been in place regardess of votes.

Obama and Clinton talked to the WH daily the last 4 years.


AFD was the only party here that advocated for no significantly rising "wages" for Bundestag poiticians. They made an appeal against it and every other party rejected it.


https://i.gyazo.com/3b12a819132b1fee63a7cf4e56dd18ac.png



Theyre the only party that wanted to hold politicians and companies accountable for restrictions during COVID.

They are precisely the anti big-gov party.

Stop pretending as if you know anything about this.

[RRR3]

The establishment is not the ruing party you muppet :lol

The word established gives it away.

You sti guiby think there is nothing beyond the ruling party. There are no other powerful people and if there were theyd have no plans or ever came together to fulfill any plans. Youre gullible.

Its the ruling power thats been in place regardess of votes.

Obama and Clinton talked to the WH daily the last 4 years.


AFD was the only party here that advocated for no significantly rising "wages" for Bundestag poiticians. They made an appeal against it and every other party rejected it.


https://i.gyazo.com/3b12a819132b1fee63a7cf4e56dd18ac.png



Theyre the only party that wanted to hold politicians and companies accountable for restrictions during COVID.

They are precisely the anti big-gov party.

Stop pretending as if you know anything about this.
AFD policies:

*Anti-immigration
*Anti-gay marriage
*Ban people from wearing burqas
*Mandatory military service




None of these policies are remotely small government. The opposite in fact.

[Patrick Chewing]

existence is pain

RRR3 is just a miserable human being just arguing with everyone.

[ArbitraryWater]

AFD policies:

*Anti-immigration
*Anti-gay marriage
*Ban people from wearing burqas
*Mandatory military service




None of these policies are remotely small government. The opposite in fact.


Im glad youre into deciding what policies make a gov big or small.

I give you half a point for marriage and military service, but those are pretty inherent/basic ideological matters and have nothing to do with big gov really.

Of course a countrys immigration policy has absolutely nothing to do with big/small gov and doesnt disqualify it from being small gov. Hence same for burqas, given this is a Christian country and no one from here wears burqas.

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.postimg.cc/RCTzmXXc/IMG-1652.png


:roll:

This is what happens when you’re jobless and just leach off your parents while never leaving the basement.

[RRR3]

Im glad youre into deciding what policies make a gov big or small.

I give you half a point for marriage and military service, but those are pretty inherent/basic ideological matters and have nothing to do with big gov really.

Of course a countrys immigration policy has absolutely nothing to do with big/small gov and doesnt disqualify it from being small gov. Hence same for burqas, given this is a Christian country and no one from here wears burqas.
https://i.imgflip.com/9e4v2s.jpg

[Jasper]

i guess OP is trying to say Hitler style

[ArbitraryWater]

https://i.imgflip.com/9e4v2s.jpg

Rrrr3 finds out Big gov is about regulations and influence, not stances on basic topics such as marriage, abortion or immigration, that concern any gov, small or big.

You make up your own definitions so you can continue to pigeonhole everyone to your liking/narrative.

[RRR3]

Rrrr3 finds out Big gov is about regulations and influence, not stances on basic topics such as marriage, abortion or immigration, that concern any gov, small or big.

You make up your own definitions so you can continue to pigeonhole everyone to your liking/narrative.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_government



Big government is a term that refers to a government or public sector that is considered excessively large or unconstitutionally involved in certain areas of public policy or the private sector.

The term may also be used specifically concerning government policies that attempt to regulate private or personal matters such as private sexual behavior or individual food choices[1] – similar to the British term 'nanny state'.




How are you this stupid? How?

[j3lademaster]

Rrrr3 finds out Big gov is about regulations and influence, not stances on basic topics such as marriage, abortion or immigration, that concern any gov, small or big.

You make up your own definitions so you can continue to pigeonhole everyone to your liking/narrative.

The bolded literally sums up mandatory military service and banning gay marriage. You're telling two consenting, functioning adults that the state won't officially recognize their love as they do for straight people is an overreach in govt influence. And that's one of the nicer regimes, this kind of overreach oftentimes has lead to straight up capturing homosexuals and torturing/killing them. It's fine if you find trans and gays gross, but that isn't enough to put your convenience over someone else's happiness. Abortion should be left up to doctors, not politicians and angry masses who don't have medical degrees.

Immigration, yes, because you can't be a country without borders. That objectively affects everyone. Military is obviously important to protect your country, it's technically a 'big govt' idea, but most reasonable libertarians see the necessity of it... and you can't actually enforce a border without one.

So if you want 'small govt' you need to keep what's necessary and cut the unimportant bullshit like gay marriage and trans/drag stuff, just let people do what makes them happy if it doesn't harm you, and focus on the few necessities.

[RRR3]

The bolded literally sums up mandatory military service and banning gay marriage. You're telling two consenting, functioning adults that the state won't officially recognize their love as they do for straight people is an overreach in govt influence. And that's one of the nicer regimes, this kind of overreach oftentimes has lead to straight up capturing homosexuals and torturing/killing them. It's fine if you find trans and gays gross, but that isn't enough to put your convenience over someone else's happiness. Abortion should be left up to doctors, not politicians and angry masses who don't have medical degrees.

Immigration, yes, because you can't be a country without borders. That objectively affects everyone. Military is obviously important to protect your country, it's technically a 'big govt' idea, but most reasonable libertarians see the necessity of it... and you can't actually enforce a border without one.

So if you want 'small govt' you need to keep what's necessary and cut the unimportant bullshit like gay marriage and trans/drag stuff, just let people do what makes them happy if it doesn't harm you, and focus on the few necessities.
Even right wing government advocates who actually have any consistency are against immigration restrictions.

[ZenMaster]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_government




:no:


government that is regarded as infringing upon the rights of individual citizens because of its extensive bureaucracy and intrusive regulations and policies

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/big%20government

[RRR3]

:no:



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/big%20government
Yes, that perfectly describes telling people who they can marry based on sexuality or forcing people to serve in the military.


Are you retarded?

[ZenMaster]

Yes, that perfectly describes telling people who they can marry based on sexuality or forcing people to serve in the military.


Are you retarded?

Seems like you have issues comprehending various descriptions and topics the way other people do, leading you to think you always have some clever gotcha moment, but to everyone else you just come off as an obnoxious moron. Or it's really just you wanting to be obnoxious, and saying things like enforcing a border is "big government" to get a reaction.

Another example previously in the thread:


any government in power becomes the establishment

Maybe that kind of statement is accepted on a communist forum, but when you're talking to regular people "the establishment" doesn't mean what you think it does.

[RRR3]

Seems like you have issues comprehending various descriptions and topics the way other people do, leading you to think you always have some clever gotcha moment, but to everyone else you just come off as an obnoxious moron. Or it's really just you wanting to be obnoxious, and saying things like enforcing a border is "big government" to get a reaction.

Another example previously in the thread:



Maybe that kind of statement is accepted on a communist forum, but when you're talking to regular people "the establishment" doesn't mean what you think it does.
That's a lot of words to not respond to what I said. Please try and tell us how telling people who they can marry based on sexuality or mandatory military service isn't big government.

[ZenMaster]

That's a lot of words to not respond to what I said. Please try and tell us how telling people who they can marry based on sexuality or mandatory military service isn't big government.

ADF has a lot more policies than the four you mentioned, so even if you institute those policies for social cohesion, Germany can still end up with less big government elements as a whole compared to what the other parties are offering.

[RRR3]

ADF has a lot more policies than the four you mentioned, so even if you institute those policies for social cohesion, Germany can still end up with less big government elements as a whole compared to what the other parties are offering.
“Social cohesion”? :roll:

Please tell us why society needs mandatory military service and no gay marriage.


Also AFD wants to ban Islamic symbols. Please tell us how that’s small government?

[ZenMaster]

“Social cohesion”? :roll:

Please tell us why society needs mandatory military service and no gay marriage.


Also AFD wants to ban Islamic symbols. Please tell us how thatÂ’s small government?

Social cohesion isn't about minimum needs for a society, but building shared values and connectedness.

Parties work differently in most Euro countries as governments rule by coalition, so they don't all need to pretend to be center right or left and no ruling party gets all their policies active. I'm sure AFD has some opinions as to why their ideas would be good for Germany, but frankly I don't care looking into the specifics, though I did learn tha the leader of the party is ironically a lesbian - here's an old CNN article talking about why gay people vote for AFD.


Police identified the attackers as two locally known Muslim extremists. They were never arrested and later fled to Syria. After demanding answers from local prosecutors and the mayorÂ’s office and not getting a response, Karsten turned to GermanyÂ’s far right party, the Alternative for Germany (AfD).

“I don’t like everything they say,” Karsten says, “but this is too dangerous for gay people to live openly here, if we get attacked like that. We need a party that’s talking openly about this.”

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/09/14/europe/germany-far-right-lgbt-support/index.html

[RRR3]

Deflection.


Please tell us how small government=mandatory military service, banning religious symbols and no gay marriage.

[ZenMaster]

Deflection.


Please tell us how small government=mandatory military service, banning religious symbols and no gay marriage.

AFD has a lot more policies than the four you mentioned, so even if you institute those policies for social cohesion, Germany can still end up with less big government elements as a whole compared to what the other parties are offering.

[RRR3]

So you're just going to deflect because you clearly realize they're not small government but you are incapable of admitting when you're wrong.

[ZenMaster]

So you're just going to deflect because you clearly realize they're not small government but you are incapable of admitting when you're wrong.

There's no point, you're already having that exact discussion with AW on previous pages.

[RRR3]

There's no point, you're already having that exact discussion with AW on previous pages.
Yeah, because neither of you know what small government is. Telling people what they can do in terms of their social life is the antithesis of small government. You seem to be under the insane impression that as long as you cut programs that help poor people, it's small government, even if the government is doing highly authoritarian things like enforcing marriage bans based on sexuality and giving people no choice but to serve in the military or face prison.