Is "The Decision" still the most cowardly and beta move in sports history?

[eliteballer]

Those guys would be my second team, and a lot of people would argue that guys like LeBron would be on my third team. When you look at LeBron and everybody, that sort of pick to be his teammates, so you know, playing with so many guys. He is the guy that lead the charge in terms of superteams being put together. When he put a team together in Miami, he put a team together in Cleveland as well and a team in Los Angeles. So he could pick his own team," he said.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/julius-erving-leaves-lebron-out-of-his-all-time-first-second-and-third-team-he-is-the-guy-that-lead-the-charge-in-terms-of-superteams-being-put-together/ar-AA1vRn8n

[j3lademaster]

Durant to Golden State by far.

[Wally450]

Man just shared an MSN link in 2024.

[Full Court]

Durant to Golden State by far.

Not even close. Did Durant pay to have a documentary made for damage control? No? Didn't think so.

Dr. J gets it. Lebron's a manufactured hype job that is way overrated.

[John8204]

I would say Mayweather ducking Manny until he lost and then fighting him is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my lifetime.

Lebron leaving a shit team is the same as the stuff Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, and Westbrook did during their careers.

[LAL]

Durant to Golden State by far.

Bronsexual

[ShawkFactory]

You are presumably an older man...and Kobe has been dead for 5 years. It's okay to let go.

[SouBeachTalents]

You are presumably an older man...and Kobe has been dead for 5 years. It's okay to let go.
I'm more concerned about his behavior in the sneaker forum

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?352391-Sneaker-Prices-Out-of-Control/page4

Being mad about LeBron surpassing Kobe might be the least of his problems

[rawimpact]

Absolutely...

Lebron was always looked at as a possible GOAT since HS... so for him to bandwagon in the peak of his career was a surprise -- KD was never looked in such a way even though he is arguably the best offensive player of all time.
Additionally to do the opposite of bringing media spotlight to it was downright disrespectful to his team and hometown
For those comparing it to KD -- that too was bad, but not being the first to do it helps reduce the sting for a lot of NBA fans

[LAL]

I would say Mayweather ducking Manny until he lost and then fighting him is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen in my lifetime.

Lebron leaving a shit team is the same as the stuff Durant, Shaq, Pippen, Harden, and Westbrook did during their careers.

Bronsexual please

[Norcaliblunt]

Yeah going on TV and completely letting your whole home state down is pretty wild.

Signing with Miami is totally understandable, but announcing it live and rubbing it in the
the faces of your loyal Cleveland fans is nuts.

Bee Zzz Are.

[bullettooth]

Obviously yes.

[LAL]

Yeah going on TV and completely letting your whole home state down is pretty wild.

Signing with Miami is totally understandable, but announcing it live and rubbing it in the
the faces of your loyal Cleveland fans is nuts.

Bee Zzz Are.
It's not "totally understandable", NO.

[LAL]

Yeah going on TV and completely letting your whole home state down is pretty wild.

Signing with Miami is totally understandable, but announcing it live and rubbing it in the
the faces of your loyal Cleveland fans is nuts.

Bee Zzz Are.
It's not "totally understandable", NO.

[John8204]

It's not "totally understandable", NO.

The guy played out his contract and the Cavs weren't able to field a team to contend for a title. Why should Lebron have stuck around and wasted his career when Miami was more than ready to put together a serious championship team. Also last time I checked he did come back and win a title for Cleveland that haddened happened since 1964.

Also how many playoff series did Bosh and Wade win without another top 75 in the entirety of their careers?

[SouBeachTalents]

The guy played out his contract and the Cavs weren't able to field a team to contend for a title. Why should Lebron have stuck around and wasted his career when Miami was more than ready to put together a serious championship team. Also last time I checked he did come back and win a title for Cleveland that haddened happened since 1964.

Also how many playoff series did Bosh and Wade win without another top 75 in the entirety of their careers?
You could apply this stupid criteria to so many players, including Jordan & Russell.

[John8204]

You could apply this stupid criteria to so many players, including Jordan & Russell.

Great idea...why don't you go ahead and find two players who won as many playoff series as Bosh and Wade did...without top 75 help. But they need to have the same sample size of season played without those top 75...and if you could point out contemporaries that would also be great.

But seeing as their have been so many players over the years who can't win playoff series on their own that were then able to come together and form a superteam it should be no problem for someone as smart as you.

[3ba11]

Putting the ball in the hole is what "basketball" means, so the GOAT must have a case for goat scorer - Lebron doesn't... No one thinks he's even close to the goat scorer - tons of guys are better scorers like Durant, Curry, Kobe, Wilt, MJ, Bird, Jokic and many more.. These guys score just as much PPG or more, while also being assisted by teammates, as required for 1st options to produce the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions)..

"Assisted Rate" is the percentage of a player's buckets that are assisted by teammates... Since the "assisted rate" stat began tracking in 1997, 4 of 4 "dynasties" that mostly won for a material stretch of 5 years (i.e. 3 chips in 5 years) required highly-assisted 1st options (Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Curry), while 12 of 12 dominant champions that lost 5 or less playoff games on a title run required highly-assisted 1st options as well (above 40% assisted rate and capability for 50's and 60's)... So that's 16 of 16 examples of the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions) requiring highly-assisted 1st options.

Otoh, low-assisted 1st options like Luka, SGA or Lebron have never been the 1st option on a dynasty or dominant champion, so they cannot produce the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion)... The issue is that low-assisted 1st options have high volume of unassisted buckets that cause low average ranking in team assists... Accordingly, all dynasties and dominant champions require highly-assisted 1st options, since they produce higher-assist teams and foster the great ball movement that all dynasties have..

[Full Court]

Putting the ball in the hole is what "basketball" means, so the GOAT must have a case for goat scorer - Lebron doesn't... No one thinks he's even close to the goat scorer - tons of guys are better scorers like Durant, Curry, Kobe, Wilt, MJ, Bird, Jokic and many more.. These guys score just as much PPG or more, while also being assisted by teammates, as required for 1st options to produce the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions)..

"Assisted Rate" is the percentage of a player's buckets that are assisted by teammates... Since the "assisted rate" stat began tracking in 1997, 4 of 4 "dynasties" that mostly won for a material stretch of 5 years (i.e. 3 chips in 5 years) required highly-assisted 1st options (Jordan, Shaq, Duncan, Curry), while 12 of 12 dominant champions that lost 5 or less playoff games on a title run required highly-assisted 1st options as well (above 40% assisted rate and capability for 50's and 60's)... So that's 16 of 16 examples of the best basketball (dynasties or dominant champions) requiring highly-assisted 1st options.

Otoh, low-assisted 1st options like Luka, SGA or Lebron have never been the 1st option on a dynasty or dominant champion, so they cannot produce the best basketball (dynasty or dominant champion)... The issue is that low-assisted 1st options have high volume of unassisted buckets that cause low average ranking in team assists... Accordingly, all dynasties and dominant champions require highly-assisted 1st options, since they produce higher-assist teams and foster the great ball movement that all dynasties have..

Even Devin Booker's a better scorer.

[ILLsmak]

It wasn't cowardly and beta, but it was a terrible career move. I don't think I'd use those words, though.

I think it was very arrogant and it did throw CLE under the bus. If he just goes, it's not the same. If they don't do the whole thing with Wade and Bosh and talk shit, it'd be even better.

It seemed like a moment that changed basketball and turned it into like buddy ball that wasn't serious anymore. So, in that way, it's more influential than a cowardly and beta move.

I bet if dude could look back and see what he accomplished in Miami, he would have stayed in Cleveland. WHO SAYS I'M WRONG?!

-Smak

[k0kakw0rld]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/julius-erving-leaves-lebron-out-of-his-all-time-first-second-and-third-team-he-is-the-guy-that-lead-the-charge-in-terms-of-superteams-being-put-together/ar-AA1vRn8n

Cleveland is a graveyard without Bron. He made the best decision to leave them then came back and showed them how to win.

The decision was business + he donated 2$ million to the boys and girls club. You must be an idiot period.

[3ba11]

Cleveland is a graveyard without Bron. He made the best decision to leave them then came back and showed them how to win.

The decision was business + he donated 2$ million to the boys and girls club. You must be an idiot period.


They were a graveyard with him by going 1 for 11, and Lebron was the biggest traitor in history via "the decision".. a self-serving player with no loyalty... but you're saying who cares because he donates to charity like everyone else?... sounds like some bs from tv

[k0kakw0rld]

They were a graveyard with him by going 1 for 11, and Lebron was the biggest traitor in history via "the decision".. a self-serving player with no loyalty... but you're saying who cares because he donates to charity like everyone else?... sounds like some bs from tv
Kobe was ready to leave LA for the Bulls if they didn't bring him Artest and Gasol.

When your franchise front office is incompetent tf u supposed to do?.

Wade left Miami to join the Bulls and Cleveland. Shaq left the Magic in order to win rings. Kareem the same, Wilt the same. You guys are all ignorants.

[3ba11]

Kobe was ready to leave LA for the Bulls if they didn't bring him Artest and Gasol.

When your franchise front office is incompetent tf u supposed to do?.

Wade left Miami to join the Bulls and Cleveland. Shaq left the Magic in order to win rings. Kareem the same, Wilt the same. You guys are all ignorants.


Kobe didn't leave, so that isn't an example of a guy leaving, and none of your examples show team-ups in their prime with multiple, opposing franchise players - lebron put the top 3 players in the conference on 1 team, and yet somehow was lauded for winning the conference after that.. it's absurd.

This is the goat mentality

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Ms1cBZ3YdS8.

"NEVER ONCE, DID THAT HAPPEN.."

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9FamHwZfvg

[eliteballer]

LeBeta James.

[Hey Yo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9FamHwZfvg

Kobe 3-words...... 'still under contract'

LeBron 3-letters....'UFA'

[Lakers Legend#32]

Blame ESPN not Bron.

[Street Hunger]

I don't quite understand still why LeBron's decision move was any worse than what some other stars have done over the course of their careers

He spent a lot of time carrying subpar Cavaliers teams deep into the playoffs before he went to Miami

[Airupthere]

I don't quite understand still why LeBron's decision move was any worse than what some other stars have done over the course of their careers

He spent a lot of time carrying subpar Cavaliers teams deep into the playoffs before he went to Miami

KD's was worse but only because Lebron's was a precedent. Lebron did not just simply move. He moved with Wade, Bosh and himself in the same team. He formed a superteam while eliminating competition in the east.

They knew what they did that is why Lebron predicted not 7 championship. They paraded that shit. They knew they broke something by saying "Oh no, they didn't".

[Street Hunger]

I guess the question is if you were lebron, you being anybody, would you have made that move to Miami knowing what was going to happen?

[theaussieguy]

We all know LeBron would be nowhere if the refs officiated the league like a FIBA match.

[clutchinho]

Id say it's up there with 2011 NBA finals

[clutchinho]

We all know LeBron would be nowhere if the refs officiated the league like a FIBA match.

Aussies have high Bball IQ