What is the appeal/point of Islam?

[west_tip]

I get why before the 1960s converting to Islam would have been an attractive proposition to an African American since the dominant religion was Christianity and that was to some extent synonymous with White supremacy. Hence Kareem converting etc.

However, given how much access we have to information today and how quickly news spreads via the legacy media as well as social media I just don't see how someone can see the appeal of the religion on any level.

Wherever Islam exists it and it's adherents are at odds with the other religions in that locale. So, you have the issues with political Islam and Israel, issues between Hindus and Muslims in India, issues with the Uighurs in China, the persecution of Coptic Christians in places like Egypt, Islamic militants in Nigeria......

There is just nowhere on the planet where Islam has demonstrated the ability to co-exist with other religions or ideologies.

Then, you have the misogyny. Many Islamic countries have not produced so much as one female Olympic medalist in ANY discipline. Pakistan for example, has existed as a state since 1948 and yet has never produced even one female Olympic medalist. In contrast American women (as a standalone entity) would have placed fourth in the Olympic table in Paris. What is the point of fostering a culture where half of your citizens will never be able to reach their full potential because you prohibit their opportunities.

Then you have the terrorism. Europe has opened its doors to people of the Islamic faith over the past 30 years and in return that kindness has been repaid with indiscriminate acts of terrorism across the continent. From France to Germany, Spain, Scandinavea, the UK and everywhere in between. Apologists try to excuse this by saying well, look what the West is doing to the Middle East and in places like Afghanistan but that argument holds no water because it makes no sense to leave a war torn area to seek refuge elsewhere only to turn that place into a dystopic shit hole too. Moreover, the people of Europe are not responsible for the foreign policy decisions of their governments so killing a bunch of Germans at a Christmas market or a bunch of commuters in Madrid doesn't actually effectively address any problems, it just results in the death of a bunch of innocent people.

I just don't see the point of this religion. It seems to inflict misery everywhere it goes and I see little to no upside. I mean if you need a religion in order to have a means of self actualizing or organizing your life around a set of principles why wouldnt you become a Buddhist?

[jstern]

The issue is that with the power of deep propaganda. We don't really have access to information if everything put forward is always deception meant for a war agenda. People are human, their daily lives of the vast majority revolve around human need, which is why you have Christians living in majority Muslin countries, like Iran. When I was a kid, I would wonder how could that be, why aren't the Christians getting killed? And it's really because it's the equivalent to different races living in NYC. Just by nature, really nobody is going to care, especially when they have their own life problems. It's like when you see videos of white people living in China. Nobody is staring at them, it's just another person who is different, but who they quickly got used to and so are continuing to focus on their current task at hand.

After October 7, it soon hit me that the conflict in that area had nothing to do with religion, that it was all about land.

This is Palestine in 1896. Notice how Jewish and Muslim people live together.


https://youtu.be/VyHQP8pY6V8

So the point it, you don't know what's true. If it doesn't make logical sense to you, then you probably don't know anything about the true reality of the situation.

And back to the video, some people were surprised to see people there, because through propaganda they were told that it was a land without people. Barren.

[ArbitraryWater]

I dont get it either for converters, its like Jewdom, it makes sense if youre born that way or born in that culture.

[Patrick Chewing]

Nothing good has come out of Islam. Nothing. It's a religion that stifles ingenuity and individualism. It truly is a religion that requires you to submit to it's barbaric teachings and it forces you to dumb yourself down in order to follow it. It does not promote advancement in any way shape or form. Its roots are in barbaric and inhumane practices towards fellow Muslims and non-Muslims. Their "prophet" is the complete antithesis to Jesus Christ where he preached about humility and forgiveness and love. Mohammed himself was a warlord that sanctioned murder and wed a child. If you're a Muslim and you believe that Mohammed is divine, then how could God allow such blatant acts of evil and pass it off as some sort of branch of him? It makes no sense.

And what worries me more about Islam are the non-Muslims that are either so tone-deaf to what Islam truly is, and those that do know, but are too afraid to criticize it.

[iamgine]

Islam is a strong and strict community religion, which is why it's still followed by so many. In many countries, by following Islam, you get community approval. If you leave, you'd suffer negative consequences.

The main point of Islam actually mimics Judaism and Christianity with the one eternal God and waiting for the Messiah. I bet many of you don't know Islam is also waiting for the Messiah.

The problem is, because it's strict, it's slow to modernize and open itself to new ideas. Many of its denominations cling to the literal meaning of the word instead of realizing the context of the times.

[west_tip]

Nothing good has come out of Islam. Nothing. It's a religion that stifles ingenuity and individualism. It truly is a religion that requires you to submit to it's barbaric teachings and it forces you to dumb yourself down in order to follow it. It does not promote advancement in any way shape or form. Its roots are in barbaric and inhumane practices towards fellow Muslims and non-Muslims. Their "prophet" is the complete antithesis to Jesus Christ where he preached about humility and forgiveness and love. Mohammed himself was a warlord that sanctioned murder and wed a child. If you're a Muslim and you believe that Mohammed is divine, then how could God allow such blatant acts of evil and pass it off as some sort of branch of him? It makes no sense.

And what worries me more about Islam are the non-Muslims that are either so tone-deaf to what Islam truly is, and those that do know, but are too afraid to criticize it.

Agreed. A lot of well intentioned, nice liberals in the West are just useful idiots in that regard.

More Islam & more Muslims = less liberalism. Yet for some reason they can't make that connection.

[bison]

its the incel religion.

[Chick Stern]

nothing good has come out of religion. Nothing. It's religion that stifles ingenuity and individualism. Religion requires you to submit to its barbaric teachings and it forces you to dumb yourself down in order to follow it. It does not promote advancement in any way shape or form. Its roots are in barbaric and inhumane practices towards fellow humans. It makes no sense.


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[Patrick Chewing]

If you want to kill people and then pretend as if God commanded you to do so, then Islam is for you.

[ShawkFactory]

If you want to kill people and then pretend as if God commanded you to do so, then Islam is for you.

Is killing someone out of your own perceived practicality better?

[Patrick Chewing]

Is killing someone out of your own perceived practicality better?

A religion whose holy book actually instructs open murder is far and away more egregious and outrageous than any other types of murder in the world. Doing what you Libs typically do in downplaying it and comparing it or equating it to other incidences across the globe is why this barbaric ideology is allowed to flourish.

Point to me a similar type of attack and similar number of murder victims as 9/11 for example that was committed by non-Muslims. And then point to me how these murderers may have been guided by religious philosophy that embraces the idea of sanctioned murder.

[diamenz]

Point to me a similar type of attack and similar number of murder victims as 9/11 for example that was committed by non-Muslims. And then point to me how these murderers may have been guided by religious philosophy that embraces the idea of sanctioned murder.

https://imeu.org/article/the-sabra-shatila-massacre

[Patrick Chewing]

https://imeu.org/article/the-sabra-shatila-massacre

Using an Islamic site who you know is biased doesn’t count my guy. Every Muslim thinks anything Israel does is terroristic. I love it when Israelis strap bombs to themselves, fly planes into buildings and mow people down with pickup trucks. Oh wait, they don’t do that. Nice try.

[highwhey]

If you want to kill people and then pretend as if God commanded you to do so, then Islam is for you.

sounds like the jews

https://almanzali.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/poopisrael.jpg?w=625&h=455

[diamenz]

Using an Islamic site who you know is biased doesn’t count my guy. Every Muslim thinks anything Israel does is terroristic. I love it when Israelis strap bombs to themselves, fly planes into buildings and mow people down with pickup trucks. Oh wait, they don’t do that. Nice try.

i only referenced that particular website because it did a solid job outlining and presenting the massacre in an easy to read and digestible way.

by all means, research the subject on the sources of your choice. here's a wikipedia to start:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre

it meets all of your criteria. you asked.

[ShawkFactory]

A religion whose holy book actually instructs open murder is far and away more egregious and outrageous than any other types of murder in the world. Doing what you Libs typically do in downplaying it and comparing it or equating it to other incidences across the globe is why this barbaric ideology is allowed to flourish.

Point to me a similar type of attack and similar number of murder victims as 9/11 for example that was committed by non-Muslims. And then point to me how these murderers may have been guided by religious philosophy that embraces the idea of sanctioned murder.

You aren’t very well informed on things.

[Patrick Chewing]

You aren’t very well informed on things.

I’m quite informed on things. It’s you who isn’t. There are several passages in the Quran that speak of murder.

How are you guys still so ignorant to the evilness of Islam?? Get your head out of your asses.

[RRR3]

Fatrick if he ever said the stuff he says on here IRL:

https://i.ibb.co/RhPZpwB/eGK9E4.gif

[highwhey]

You aren’t very well informed on things.

that's a pretty well known fact around here. patrick talks out of his ass and is often on the wrong side of arguments. his go-to is ad hominem attacks when cornered with logical arguments.

[Patrick Chewing]

Fatrick if he ever said the stuff he says on here IRL:

https://i.ibb.co/RhPZpwB/eGK9E4.gif

Where am I lying about Islam? And that gif would be you if you ever left your parents basement.

When did the lot of you become radical Islamic apologists? I guess you support Americans dying at the hands of Islamists cause God forbid if someone such as myself calls them out, you’re tripping over each other to defend that demonic religion.

[RRR3]

Where am I lying about Islam? And that gif would be you if you ever left your parents basement.

When did the lot of you become radical Islamic apologists? I guess you support Americans dying at the hands of Islamists cause God forbid if someone such as myself calls them out, you’re tripping over each other to defend that demonic religion.
https://i.ibb.co/RhPZpwB/eGK9E4.gif

[Patrick Chewing]

https://i.ibb.co/RhPZpwB/eGK9E4.gif

That’s what’s I thought. A confused Jew that’s too afraid to criticize Islam. Pathetic coward.

[RRR3]

That’s what’s I thought. A confused Jew that’s too afraid to criticize Islam. Pathetic coward.
I'll criticize religion as a whole plenty, but when you start singling out groups as an excuse to demonize brown people that's where it moves from reasonable critique to bigotry. Genuinely funny you meltdown about Islam so much considering they worship the same god you do.

[Patrick Chewing]

I'll criticize religion as a whole plenty, but when you start singling out groups as an excuse to demonize brown people that's where it moves from reasonable critique to bigotry. Genuinely funny you meltdown about Islam so much considering they worship the same god you do.

What are you talking about you buffoon? Demonize brown people? I’m criticizing a religion, an ideology that doesn’t discriminate who they hate and who they kill. And here you are talking about skin color…:facepalm

You like labeling everyone you disagree with a Nazi, when the actual Nazis in radical Islamists are staring right at you and you say nothing. That’s some cowardly shit. You’re incapable of criticizing Islam out of fear I suppose, and it’s so telling since you started your reply to me talking about “religions” and “groups” and still have yet to mention Islam. So cowardly :oldlol:

[RRR3]

What are you talking about you buffoon? Demonize brown people? I’m criticizing a religion, an ideology that doesn’t discriminate who they hate and who they kill. And here you are talking about skin color…:facepalm

You like labeling everyone you disagree with a Nazi, when the actual Nazis in radical Islamists are staring right at you and you say nothing. That’s some cowardly shit. You’re incapable of criticizing Islam out of fear I suppose, and it’s so telling since you started your reply to me talking about “religions” and “groups” and still have yet to mention Islam. So cowardly :oldlol:
No, you're just very transparent, people can see your intentions when you go on these tirades. The sad part is you actually think you're clever and fooling anyone.

Btw the Nazis were Christian.

[Patrick Chewing]

No, you're just very transparent, people can see your intentions when you go on these tirades. The sad part is you actually think you're clever and fooling anyone.

Btw the Nazis were Christian.

My intentions? My intentions are to wake you cowards up and be man enough to call Islam out which you’re still too afraid to do. I mean I get it. You’re Jewish and these Muslims hate you and want you dead. But guess what? They also want Christians dead too and all you find in Islamic countries are dwindling populations of Christians, much less Jews.

The entirety of Europe was Christian. You saying that German members of the Nazi party were Christian means nothing. They didn’t kill Jews because the Bible commanded it or because God willed it.

Stop being a coward and criticize the religion that wants you to convert or wants you to die.

[Axe]

Poopsie hates the Islam/Muslim so much because he can't eat meat or pork if that's his religion. :ohwell:

[RRR3]

My intentions? My intentions are to wake you cowards up and be man enough to call Islam out which you’re still too afraid to do. I mean I get it. You’re Jewish and these Muslims hate you and want you dead. But guess what? They also want Christians dead too and all you find in Islamic countries are dwindling populations of Christians, much less Jews.

The entirety of Europe was Christian. You saying that German members of the Nazi party were Christian means nothing. They didn’t kill Jews because the Bible commanded it or because God willed it.

Stop being a coward and criticize the religion that wants you to convert or wants you to die.
Blubbery meltdown. The fact that you conflate extremists with all Muslims is why you're a bigot. It's like when highweight demonizes Jews because of jackasses like Netanyahu, or if I were to say all Christians are bad because of Nazis. Yes, religious extremists are bad. Your hyperfocus on Islam is just disturbing and shows your true colors though. No one is denying there are some crazy evil Muslims out there (the governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia if you demand an example), but when you try to paint an entire group of people as evil, well...that's when you get into just being a bigot. And your failure to realize the same shit happens with other religious extremists in the governments of Israel or the United States (cue the meltdown) or the former Yugoslavia...Crazy you can't see this.

[RRR3]

Poopsie hates the Islam/Muslim so much because he can't eat meat or pork if that's his religion. :ohwell:
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[highwhey]

Poopsie hates the Islam/Muslim so much because he can't eat meat or pork if that's his religion. :ohwell:

:roll:

[Patrick Chewing]

Blubbery meltdown. The fact that you conflate extremists with all Muslims is why you're a bigot. It's like when highweight demonizes Jews because of jackasses like Netanyahu, or if I were to say all Christians are bad because of Nazis. Yes, religious extremists are bad. Your hyperfocus on Islam is just disturbing and shows your true colors though. No one is denying there are some crazy evil Muslims out there (the governments of Iran and Saudi Arabia if you demand an example), but when you try to paint an entire group of people as evil, well...that's when you get into just being a bigot. And your failure to realize the same shit happens with other religious extremists in the governments of Israel or the United States (cue the meltdown) or the former Yugoslavia...Crazy you can't see this.

There’s no connection to Christianity with Nazis. Nazis weren’t praying or quoting scripture every time they killed your ancestors. So all you’re doing when you spew that nonsense is tell the rest of the world that you’re a cowardly Jew who has to lump other groups in for fear of the repercussions of singling one group out.

Let me ask you a question. Why is it that you think people across the globe hate Jews so much? I mean hate them from every corner of the globe and have hated them throughout the centuries and millennia. Ever wonder why? Part of it is for reasons like this. You guys are ****ing cowards who cannot call a spade a spade. Jews have had no spine….like ever. And I defend you people and your right to exist because it is the moral and right thing to do.

The only religious extremism in this world is Islamic. Period. There’s no Christian or Jewish equivalent to ISIS or Al-Qaeda.

[RRR3]

There’s no connection to Christianity with Nazis. Nazis weren’t praying or quoting scripture every time they killed your ancestors. So all you’re doing when you spew that nonsense is tell the rest of the world that you’re a cowardly Jew who has to lump other groups in for fear of the repercussions of singling one group out.

Let me ask you a question. Why is it that you think people across the globe hate Jews so much? I mean hate them from every corner of the globe and have hated them throughout the centuries and millennia. Ever wonder why? Part of it is for reasons like this. You guys are ****ing cowards who cannot call a spade a spade. Jews have had no spine….like ever. And I defend you people and your right to exist because it is the moral and right thing to do.

The only religious extremism in this world is Islamic. Period. There’s no Christian or Jewish equivalent to ISIS or Al-Qaeda.
Stopped reading there. The NERVE to say that.

You have an alt account named after a Nazi paramilitary rank anyways, and you're a Christian. CAUGHT

[ShawkFactory]

I’m quite informed on things. It’s you who isn’t. There are several passages in the Quran that speak of murder.

How are you guys still so ignorant to the evilness of Islam?? Get your head out of your asses.

To your own agenda, sure. You lack perspective.

Name the Quran passages condoning murder.

[west_tip]

How are you guys still so ignorant to the evilness of Islam?? Get your head out of your asses.

That's the part I just don't get. You can literally spend an afternoon hitting up YouTube/wiki and see cast iron proof of the ****ed up nature of Islam.

It's a global phenomenon...... In 1947 they just go in a rampage and kill and rape a bunch of Sikhs and Hindus in India......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Rawalpindi_massacres

By the modern vernacular this is "people of color" killing other POC but if you point out this stuff people call you an Islamophobe.

[west_tip]

Another one.... In 2014 Boko Haram kidnap 200+ Nigerian girls from school.... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chibok_schoolgirls_kidnapping

Their modus operandi is kidnapping girls and selling them into sexual slavery.

From Nigeria, to Israel, Europe, India, Bali, NYC, Louisiana, Afghanistan they do ****ed up shit in the name of their religion yet people act like there isn't a noticeable pattern.

[Patrick Chewing]

To your own agenda, sure. You lack perspective.

Name the Quran passages condoning murder.


I lack perspective? You lack the ability to use Google.


https://quran.com/en/al-baqarah/191

https://quran.com/en/at-tawbah/5

https://quran.com/en/al-maidah/33


I mean, the prophet himself was a warlord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Banu_Qurayza


The Banu Qurayza, a Jewish tribe that once lived in Medina, though allied with the Muslims and even lent them equipment to dig the trench during the Battle of the Trench, refused to fight in the battle as they were offended by Muhammad's attacks on Jews.[6] Waqidi claims that Muhammad had a treaty with the tribe which was torn up. Norman Stillman and Watt believe that the existence of such a treaty was "doubtful", though Watt believes the Qurayza had agreed not to assist Muhammad's enemies.[7][8] According to Safiur Rahman Mubarakpuri, Peters, Stillman, Guillaume, Inamdar and Ibn Kathir, on the day of the Meccans' withdrawal Muhammad led his forces against Banu Qurayza. According to Muslim tradition he had been ordered to do so by God.[1][2][9][10][11][12] Ibn Kathir gives the reason as: "Banu Qurayzah broke the covenant that existed between them and the messenger of Allah".[2]

The Banu Qurayza were besieged for 25 days until they surrendered.[1] The men from Banu Aws, who were one of the two Arab tribes in Medina who had become followers of Muhammad and part of the Ansar, requested that Muhammad treat Banu Qurayza leniently, as they were their client tribe. Muhammad then proposed that one man from the Banu Aws pass the judgment, and they agreed. He then appointed Sa'd ibn Muadh, who was gravely wounded by an arrow. So Sa'd stated that his decision would be, [B]"The men should be killed, the property divided, and the women and children taken as slaves." Muhammad approved of the ruling, calling it in accordance with God's decree pronounced above the seventh heaven.[9][10][11][13][14] After that, nearly all male members of the tribe who had reached puberty were handcuffed and beheaded.[15][2][16] The Muslim jurist al-Tabari quotes 600–900 being killed.


Can you imagine people out in the world today equating Islam to Christianity? Equating Muhammad to Jesus? It's laughably insane. And every time one of you ignorant fools defends Islam by saying "show me where Islam preaches violence and murder", you defend this barbaric ideology and it continues to permeate throughout the world today as a result.

[Patrick Chewing]

That's the part I just don't get. You can literally spend an afternoon hitting up YouTube/wiki and see cast iron proof of the ****ed up nature of Islam.

It's a global phenomenon...... In 1947 they just go in a rampage and kill and rape a bunch of Sikhs and Hindus in India......

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1947_Rawalpindi_massacres

By the modern vernacular this is "people of color" killing other POC but if you point out this stuff people call you an Islamophobe.

Islam is truly the Devil's religion against the rest of the world. Whether someone believes in the Devil or not, the Devil's purpose on Earth is to trick you and seduce you and to lie to you, and this is why so many are blind to Islam. And there are so many examples out there of former Muslims who will tell you how barbaric this belief system is, and yet the masses will still refuse to listen.

Here's a great example of a former Muslim describing Islam perfectly: https://qr.ae/pYvaT5


Ever since I've left Islam, I have seen it's true face. Islam is an authoritarian and fascistic religion. It doesn't allow free speech to exist and it kills all of it's critics.

But of course, you can't and won't see this if you're still a Muslim. Just like a cult, you won't feel as if what you're doing or believing is wrong when you're still a member of the cult but when you leave it, you start seeing all of it's flaws that you couldn't see before.

This is how the human psyche works, it sees no wrong with the “thing” it loves, admires or was raised to obey until it stops obeying the “thing” and break free from it's old habits.

[tomtucker]

I get why before the 1960s converting to Islam would have been an attractive proposition to an African American since the dominant religion was Christianity and that was to some extent synonymous with White supremacy. Hence Kareem converting etc.

However, given how much access we have to information today and how quickly news spreads via the legacy media as well as social media I just don't see how someone can see the appeal of the religion on any level.

Wherever Islam exists it and it's adherents are at odds with the other religions in that locale. So, you have the issues with political Islam and Israel, issues between Hindus and Muslims in India, issues with the Uighurs in China, the persecution of Coptic Christians in places like Egypt, Islamic militants in Nigeria......

There is just nowhere on the planet where Islam has demonstrated the ability to co-exist with other religions or ideologies.

Then, you have the misogyny. Many Islamic countries have not produced so much as one female Olympic medalist in ANY discipline. Pakistan for example, has existed as a state since 1948 and yet has never produced even one female Olympic medalist. In contrast American women (as a standalone entity) would have placed fourth in the Olympic table in Paris. What is the point of fostering a culture where half of your citizens will never be able to reach their full potential because you prohibit their opportunities.

Then you have the terrorism. Europe has opened its doors to people of the Islamic faith over the past 30 years and in return that kindness has been repaid with indiscriminate acts of terrorism across the continent. From France to Germany, Spain, Scandinavea, the UK and everywhere in between. Apologists try to excuse this by saying well, look what the West is doing to the Middle East and in places like Afghanistan but that argument holds no water because it makes no sense to leave a war torn area to seek refuge elsewhere only to turn that place into a dystopic shit hole too. Moreover, the people of Europe are not responsible for the foreign policy decisions of their governments so killing a bunch of Germans at a Christmas market or a bunch of commuters in Madrid doesn't actually effectively address any problems, it just results in the death of a bunch of innocent people.

I just don't see the point of this religion. It seems to inflict misery everywhere it goes and I see little to no upside. I mean if you need a religion in order to have a means of self actualizing or organizing your life around a set of principles why wouldnt you become a Buddhist?
good job, great write up!

there is no point......

very few convert to islam,i hope, and only those who have low IQ do.
they are tricked into it.

most are born into islam..... and sure as hell is hard and difficult to leave.

[Chick Stern]

A religion whose holy book actually instructs open murder is far and away more egregious and outrageous than any other types of murder in the world..


Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)

[RRR3]

Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12)

You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17)

All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9)

A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9)

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. “The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him.” (Deuteronomy 13:13-19)

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12)
Fatrick has never actually read the Bible

[Axe]

A religion whose holy book actually states that eating meat and pork is extremely prohibited is far and away more egregious and outrageous than any other religion in the world.
Ftfy.

[imdaman99]

Didn't read. OP, find somewhere else to troll. ISH ain't it.

[Axe]

Just imagine what JEFFERSON MONEY would think if he were still here.

[Patrick Chewing]

Didn't read. OP, find somewhere else to troll. ISH ain't it.

Questioning why anyone would want to join the cult of Islam is a legitimate question. Pointing out that it's a fanatical religion where people are afraid to question it, yet alone leave it is legitimate. Explaining to otherwise ignorant people about the religion and how Islamists use the hadiths as justification to eliminate "enemies" of Islam is legitimate.


You think this is a troll job? You think people are afraid of you guys? You think all of us are ignorant to your global lust for a caliphate? **** outta here.


The 4 Stages of Islamic Conquest

STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

- Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
- First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
- Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
- Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
- High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
- Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
- Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
- Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
- Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.


STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

- Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
- Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
- Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
- Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
- Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
- Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
- Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
- Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
- Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
- Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
- Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
- Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
- Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
- Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
- Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
- Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
- Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
- Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
- Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
- Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
- Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.


STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

- Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
- Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
- Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
- Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
- All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
- Mass execution of non-Muslims.
- Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
- Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
- Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
- Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
- Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
- Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
- Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
- Imposition of Sharia law


STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

- Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
- Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
- All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
- Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
- Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
- All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
- Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

[RRR3]

Fats, what about those bible passages that other poster brought up? Noticed you desperately dodging them....curious!

[Patrick Chewing]

Fats, what about those bible passages that other poster brought up? Noticed you desperately dodging them....curious!

It's so evident how cowardly you Jews are that you rather criticize Christians since we're obviously so passive and tolerant, but you won't say one damn thing about Islam. As I stated before, this is why Jews are universally hated. You're cowards. I mean, I understand thousands of years of persecution can do that to you, but this is 2025. Man the **** up.

As for those bible passages, those passages are interpreted as accounts from others, and not God speaking directly, whereas in the Quran, it is to be interpreted as God speaking directly. Very big difference.

[RRR3]

It's so evident how cowardly you Jews are that you rather criticize Christians since we're obviously so passive and tolerant, but you won't say one damn thing about Islam. As I stated before, this is why Jews are universally hated. You're cowards. I mean, I understand thousands of years of persecution can do that to you, but this is 2025. Man the **** up.

As for those bible passages, those passages are interpreted as accounts from others, and not God speaking directly, whereas in the Quran, it is to be interpreted as God speaking directly. Very big difference.
This guy supposedly cares about antisemitism :yaohappy:

[Patrick Chewing]

This guy supposedly cares about antisemitism :yaohappy:

You're just raging cause you're incapable of agreeing with me. It's a weakness you have. I defend Jews more than you do, that's for sure.

[RRR3]

You're just raging cause you're incapable of agreeing with me. It's a weakness you have. I defend Jews more than you do, that's for sure.
You’re such a hateful bigot your own sister won’t talk to you :yaohappy:

[Patrick Chewing]

You’re such a hateful bigot your own sister won’t talk to you :yaohappy:

You hate your own people and NO ONE talks to you. :yaohappy:

[RRR3]

You hate your own people and NO ONE talks to you. :yaohappy:
See the sad part is this is you making stuff up, while I'm legit just quoting something you yourself said. Your own sister hates you :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

See the sad part is this is you making stuff up, while I'm legit just quoting something you yourself said. Your own sister hates you :oldlol:

You've never once defended Jews on here and you're still too afraid to criticize Islam, an ideology that absolutely HATES Jews and calls for their destruction. And by that cowardice, you're dissing your own people. It's quite pathetic. And yet, I'll defend you and your right to exist because we share a common enemy whether you're too afraid to admit it or not. The alternative is hell on Earth.

[Chick Stern]

Questioning why anyone would want to join the cult of Islam is a legitimate question. Pointing out that it's a fanatical religion where people are afraid to question it, yet alone leave it is legitimate. Explaining to otherwise ignorant people about the religion and how Islamists use the hadiths as justification to eliminate "enemies" of Islam is legitimate.


You think this is a troll job? You think people are afraid of you guys? You think all of us are ignorant to your global lust for a caliphate? **** outta here.


The 4 Stages of Islamic Conquest

STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

- Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
- First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
- Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
- Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
- High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
- Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
- Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
- Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
- Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.


STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

- Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
- Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
- Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
- Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
- Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
- Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
- Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
- Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
- Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
- Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
- Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
- Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
- Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
- Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
- Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
- Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
- Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
- Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
- Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
- Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
- Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.


STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

- Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
- Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
- Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
- Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
- All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
- Mass execution of non-Muslims.
- Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
- Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
- Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
- Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
- Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
- Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
- Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
- Imposition of Sharia law


STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

- Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
- Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
- All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
- Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
- Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
- All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
- Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

Cn’P from s t o r m f r o n t

[highwhey]

Questioning why anyone would want to join the cult of Islam is a legitimate question. Pointing out that it's a fanatical religion where people are afraid to question it, yet alone leave it is legitimate. Explaining to otherwise ignorant people about the religion and how Islamists use the hadiths as justification to eliminate "enemies" of Islam is legitimate.


You think this is a troll job? You think people are afraid of you guys? You think all of us are ignorant to your global lust for a caliphate? **** outta here.


The 4 Stages of Islamic Conquest

STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

- Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
- First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
- Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
- Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
- High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
- Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
- Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
- Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
- Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.


STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

- Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
- Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
- Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
- Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
- Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
- Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
- Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
- Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
- Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
- Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
- Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
- Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
- Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
- Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
- Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
- Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
- Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
- Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
- Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
- Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
- Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.


STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

- Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
- Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
- Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
- Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
- All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
- Mass execution of non-Muslims.
- Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
- Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
- Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
- Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
- Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
- Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
- Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
- Imposition of Sharia law


STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

- Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
- Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
- All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
- Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
- Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
- All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
- Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

i'm confused, what does this have to do with you weighing 400lbs?

[MrFonzworth]

i'm confused, what does this have to do with you weighing 400lbs?

:lol

[west_tip]

Questioning why anyone would want to join the cult of Islam is a legitimate question. Pointing out that it's a fanatical religion where people are afraid to question it, yet alone leave it is legitimate. Explaining to otherwise ignorant people about the religion and how Islamists use the hadiths as justification to eliminate "enemies" of Islam is legitimate.


You think this is a troll job? You think people are afraid of you guys? You think all of us are ignorant to your global lust for a caliphate? **** outta here.


The 4 Stages of Islamic Conquest

STAGE 1: INFILTRATION

- Muslims begin moving to non-Muslim countries in increasing numbers and the beginning of cultural conflicts are visible, though often subtle.
- First migration wave to non-Muslim “host” country.
- Appeal for humanitarian tolerance from the host society.
- Attempts to portray Islam as a peaceful & Muslims as victims of misunderstanding and racism (even though Islam is not a ‘race’).
- High Muslim birth rate in host country increase Muslim population.
- Mosques used to spread Islam and dislike of host country & culture.
- Calls to criminalize “Islamophobia” as a hate crime.
- Threatened legal action for perceived discrimination.
- Offers of “interfaith dialogue” to indoctrinate non-Muslims.


STAGE 2: CONSOLIDATION OF POWER

- Muslim immigrants and host country converts continue demands for accommodation in employment, education, social services, financing and courts.
- Proselytizing increases; Establishment and Recruitment of Jihadi cells.
- Efforts to convert alienated segments of the population to Islam.
- Revisionist efforts to Islamize history.
- Efforts to destroy historic evidence that reveal true Islamism.
- Increased anti-western propaganda and psychological warfare.
- Efforts to recruit allies who share similar goals (communists, anarchists).
- Attempts to indoctrinate children to Islamist viewpoint.
- Increased efforts to intimidate, silence and eliminate non-Muslims.
- Efforts to introduce blasphemy and hate laws in order to silence critics.
- Continued focus on enlarging Muslim population by increasing Muslim births and immigration.
- Use of charities to recruit supporters and fund jihad.
- Covert efforts to bring about the destruction of host society from within.
- Development of Muslim political base in non-Muslim host society.
- Islamic Financial networks fund political growth, acquisition of land.
- Highly visible assassination of critics aimed to intimidate opposition.
- Tolerance of non-Muslims diminishes.
- Greater demands to adopt strict Islamic conduct.
- Clandestine amassing of weapons and explosives in hidden locations.
- Overt disregard/rejection of non-Muslim society’s legal system, culture.
- Efforts to undermine and destroy power base of non-Muslim religions including and especially Jews and Christians.


STAGE 3: OPEN WAR w/ LEADERSHIP & CULTURE

- Open violence to impose Sharia law and associated cultural restrictions; rejection of host government, subjugation of other religions and customs.
- Intentional efforts to undermine the host government & culture.
- Acts of barbarity to intimidate citizens and foster fear and submission.
- Open and covert efforts to cause economic collapse of the society.
- All opposition is challenged and either eradicated or silenced.
- Mass execution of non-Muslims.
- Widespread ethnic cleansing by Islamic militias.
- Rejection and defiance of host society secular laws or culture.
- Murder of “moderate” Muslim intellectuals who don’t support Islamization.
- Destruction of churches, synagogues and other non-Muslim institutions.
- Women are restricted further in accordance with Sharia law.
- Large-scale destruction of population, assassinations, bombings.
- Toppling of government and usurpation of political power.
- Imposition of Sharia law


STAGE 4: Totalitarian ISLAMIC “THEOCRACY”

- Islam becomes the only religious-political-judicial-cultural ideology.
- Sharia becomes the “law of the land.
- All non-Islamic human rights cancelled.
- Enslavement and genocide of non-Muslim population.
- Freedom of speech and the press eradicated.
- All religions other than Islam are forbidden and destroyed.
- Destruction of all evidence of non-Muslim culture, populations and symbols in country (Buddhas, houses of worship, art, etc).

I've just been reading up on the Prophet Muhammad's military campaign against Mecca. It's enlightening.

Seems like he was able to bring the city under his control by disrupting the caravan trade which was what gave Mecca its prosperity......

Around that time they fought and defeated the Jews:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

The more research and reading you do on Islam the more you see it's violent bloodthirsty nature.

A religion based on piracy and bloodshed, imposing your religious ideology by conquest.

With Islam it is killing or be killed.

[west_tip]

Islam has been antisemitic since the very beginning. They hate Jews and want to destroy and conquer them like they did in the 7th century.

The approach of hard-line Zionists becomes more understandable by the minute. It's either you or them.

[Patrick Chewing]

I've just been reading up on the Prophet Muhammad's military campaign against Mecca. It's enlightening.

Seems like he was able to bring the city under his control by disrupting the caravan trade which was what gave Mecca its prosperity......

Around that time they fought and defeated the Jews:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Khaybar

The more research and reading you do on Islam the more you see it's violent bloodthirsty nature.

A religion based on piracy and bloodshed, imposing your religious ideology by conquest.

With Islam it is killing or be killed.


Islam has been antisemitic since the very beginning. They hate Jews and want to destroy and conquer them like they did in the 7th century.

The approach of hard-line Zionists becomes more understandable by the minute. It's either you or them.

It truly baffles me how more people don’t see that ideology for what it is. They’re terrified to criticize it too. Muslims do not assimilate. They take over.

[west_tip]

It truly baffles me how more people don’t see that ideology for what it is. They’re terrified to criticize it too. Muslims do not assimilate. They take over.

Yes. I've also read about the Muslim rape gangs from the north of England over the past few days.
Muslims think nothing of treating non Muslims (kaffirs) like shit but then unironically complain about the way Israel treats Palestinians.

They never practice what they preach but ALWAYS view themselves as victims. Muh Islamophobia, muh Gaza is an open air prison, muh Zionists.

[highwhey]

Yes. I've also read about the Muslim rape gangs from the north of England over the past few days.
Muslims think nothing of treating non Muslims (kaffirs) like shit but then unironically complain about the way Israel treats Palestinians.

They never practice what they preach but ALWAYS view themselves as victims. Muh Islamophobia, muh Gaza is an open air prison, muh Zionists.

are you OK? it's sunday morning man, what were you doing at 430am on a sunday melting down over muslims?

[TheMan]

Unfortunately, too many Christian nations have permitted the Muslims to infest their lands, from Europe, Asia, Africa to the US... fortunately in Latin America they are pretty much non existent, LA is firmly Roman Catholic. Not many Jews either but if you were to have either Muslims or Jews, history has shown time and again that the Jews are much easier to manage. Unfortunately the motherland, Spain, has let the Muslims hordes in unlike her former colonies, going against it's former tradition...fun fact, the Spanish surname Matamoros (there are several cities in Mexico named after that surname) literally means Killer of Moors :lol