What’s the best way to balance out all the 3 pointers?

[Walk on Water]

Which ideas are the most practical?

- Make 3s worth 2.5 points
- move the line back
- get rid of the side 3s
- widen the court while moving like back
- allow hand checking
- allow home team to choose the 3 point distance
- get rid of the step back 3 and call it a travel
- get rid of dribbling with palm up
- get rid of 3 in the key


Which ones are the most practical? To me, moving the line back just a little bit and not allowing the double step back would be a start. And need to encourage more play in the paint with bigs.

[highwhey]

-bang your mom

[SouBeachTalents]

-bang your mom
It’s this.

[Walk on Water]

-bang your mom

Hey why don’t you grow up? I just reported you. We don't need posts like this.

[MrFonzworth]

Hey why don’t you grow up? I just reported you. We don't need posts like this.

I'll follow your suit and report him as well. For the record though, his suggestion is still better than all of yours.

[Patrick Chewing]

The hand check will help. The corner three being eliminated eliminates all that spacing and having five guys all outside the arc.

I propose getting rid of the line all together or just make all baskets worth 2 points.

[Meticode]

Either allow hand checking outside the three line or make the three line longer.

[ImKobe]

Remove the corner 3. Tired of watching guys pass up open layups for corner 3s.

[highwhey]

I'll follow your suit and report him as well. For the record though, his suggestion is still better than all of yours.

:roll:

[highwhey]

Hey why don’t you grow up? I just reported you. We don't need posts like this.

shut up phɑg̵g̵ot

[90sgoat]

Call moving screens
Call carry and palming
Get rid of defensive 3 seconds

[jayfan]

Which ideas are the most practical?

- Make 3s worth 2.5 points
- move the line back
- get rid of the side 3s
- widen the court while moving like back
- allow hand checking
- allow home team to choose the 3 point distance
- get rid of the step back 3 and call it a travel
- get rid of dribbling with palm up
- get rid of 3 in the key


Which ones are the most practical? To me, moving the line back just a little bit and not allowing the double step back would be a start. And need to encourage more play in the paint with bigs.

None of the above.


Just RAISE THE RIM.


.

[Kblaze8855]

In ten years you’re gonna remember this era as a time when it was more balanced. It’s only getting worse from here. All the stars in the league now learned the game before it was this. They just adjusted to it as they came up. The next wave won’t even remember basketball not being this.

[StrongLurk]

Just set the rule book back to 2006 and have the refs CALL the rules. It's very simple. All the other suggestions about removing corner threes, making threes only 2.5 points, or actually limiting the amount of threes shot is lunacy.

[bison]

this is getting ridiculous. It gets reported that the NBA has a dip in TV ratings and now everyone is freaking out and wanting to radically change the games and implement even stupider new rules when the reality is TV ratings are down mostly because people don't watch TV anymore. NBA is growing in the streaming department and its social media presence is bigger than ever. people haven't lost interest in the game, they've just lost interest in subscribing to cable TV. its not that big a deal so theres no need to reinvent the wheel here.

[Meticode]

this is getting ridiculous. It gets reported that the NBA has a dip in TV ratings and now everyone is freaking out and wanting to radically change the games and implement even stupider new rules when the reality is TV ratings are down mostly because people don't watch TV anymore. NBA is growing in the streaming department and its social media presence is bigger than ever. people haven't lost interest in the game, they've just lost interest in subscribing to cable TV. its not that big a deal so there's no need to reinvent the wheel here.

For me personally the NBA has been boring the last three years because of what I've personally noticed. I literally don't even watch Cavs games usually even though they have the best record in the NBA because everyone just jacks up threes. Between the soft ass foul calls and teams taking several threes in a row I fall asleep.

[Walk on Water]

shut up phɑg̵g̵ot


Admin you have to do something about this person. I will keep reporting his rhetoric that has nothing to do with basketball.

[Kblaze8855]

this is getting ridiculous. It gets reported that the NBA has a dip in TV ratings and now everyone is freaking out and wanting to radically change the games and implement even stupider new rules when the reality is TV ratings are down mostly because people don't watch TV anymore. NBA is growing in the streaming department and its social media presence is bigger than ever. people haven't lost interest in the game, they've just lost interest in subscribing to cable TV. its not that big a deal so theres no need to reinvent the wheel here.


every aspect of media is growing in the streaming department and everyone’s social media presence is larger than it’s ever been because social media is a recent phenomenon. You think boxing had a bigger streaming and social media presence in 2006 than it does now? I promise you it didn’t because they weren’t billions of people using both of those things. You’re pretty much just saying it’s 2024. Of course they have bigger streaming and social media presence’s than ever. Those things were hardly available for any of the “ever” in question.

Relative interest in the NBA in fact is down. All these people who used to be gigantic fans aren’t making up the fact that they don’t watch anymore. I’ve been a fan for 40 years and I don’t remember the last game I saw start to finish. The games and league just don’t interest me very much anymore.

It probably still interest me more than most people but compared to how I used to be? It doesn’t feel like I follow it at all.

The NFL is out here getting 40 million viewers for regular season games. Regular season games on cable can do triple NBA finals games. It isn’t people not watching sports in traditional means. Is people not watching the NBA.

The Christmas game on Netflix today is probably gonna do bigger numbers than any NBA game has in years. Streaming, over the air, or cable. Sports still have a massive reach. The NBA’s has just reduced.

you’re making the same argument, baseball people make. And aspects of it are true compared to long ago. It’s just misleading for the reasons I gave. Both sports are healthy financially. The NBA hasn’t even started with its new rights deal. And baseball is still handing out contracts like the money is fake. There’s money coming in, but nobody is doubting that billionaires have money. The products don’t reach the American people like they used to and you can’t say that about football for whatever reason.

[3ba11]

Make the primary mode of generating threes harder, so make drive-and-kick harder by bringing back hand-check and defense

[Carbine]

Hand Checking exists in playoff basketball, for the most part.

[GoSpursGo1984]

Let defense be more aggressive and do not call stupid touch fouls on shots

[90sgoat]

Hand Checking exists in playoff basketball, for the most part.

If hand checking is selective mauling then sure.

[jayfan]

None of the above.


Just RAISE THE RIM.


.


Basketball rims became 10 ft. high in 1891. When the game was invented. And they have never been raised. In 133 years.


It is RIDICULOUS that the rims have not been raised, when the average player is about a foot+ taller (and waaaaay more athletic) than when the game was invented. It's easy to deduce that Naismith would have put the rims at 11+ ft. with the height of today's players.

[Nowoco]

Spurs/Wolves last night shot a combined 26% from three

22/83

[Phoenix]

Make points inside the paint, or maybe specifically dunks, worth 3 points.

[j3lademaster]

Make points inside the paint, or maybe specifically dunks, worth 3 points.

Rudy Gobert about to eat good.

[Nowoco]

Make points inside the paint, or maybe specifically dunks, worth 3 points.

The problem with this is you demonise players who cant dunk. Anyone can shoot a three, some guys literally cant dunk. That seems unfair.

[Phoenix]

The problem with this is you demonise players who cant dunk. Anyone can shoot a three, some guys literally cant dunk. That seems unfair.

I mean, anyone 'can' shoot the 3 but that doesn't mean anyone 'should'. But if you believe that this inherently disadvantages non-dunkers( I can't imagine this actually affects more than like 2% of the league, but I'll play along), then my original idea which I posted in a similar thread: make shots in the paint worth 3 or if you want to boil it down further, in the restricted area. Of course this also inherently gives advantages to certain guys as well, but here we are. :confusedshrug:

[tpols]

Would it be possible to widen the courts by a couple feet and extend the line out more. Teams would have to go inside more as their 3pt% falls off.

[Phoenix]

Would it be possible to widen the courts by a couple feet and extend the line out more. Teams would have to go inside more as their 3pt% falls off.

I'm not sure extending the line does much, because alot of guys are already shooting a few feet behind the line. Maybe cut off the corner three as it's the hardest part to close in on, but I don't think it's gonna matter. The moment you let math overtake the organic flow and nuances, you broke the game. Not only that, alot of players are hard-coded to basically play this way now, so alot of guys games would crater for a while until they adapted.

I think the league should adopt more FIBA rules, tighten up ballhandling/carrying and if they can't do that, at least allow handchecking again so defenders have a chance to actually defend. They always say the refs 'pocket the whistle' during the playoffs, well just call it the same way across the year, season and playoffs. That's why Harden was generally never as good in the playoffs as he was regular season.

[highwhey]

-bang your mom

excellent advice

[tpols]

I'm not sure extending the line does much, because alot of guys are already shooting a few feet behind the line. Maybe cut off the corner three as it's the hardest part to close in on, but I don't think it's gonna matter. The moment you let math overtake the organic flow and nuances, you broke the game. Not only that, alot of players are hard-coded to basically play this way now, so alot of guys games would crater for a while until they adapted.

I think the league should adopt more FIBA rules, tighten up ballhandling/carrying and if they can't do that, at least allow handchecking again so defenders have a chance to actually defend. They always say the refs 'pocket the whistle' during the playoffs, well just call it the same way across the year, season and playoffs. That's why Harden was generally never as good in the playoffs as he was regular season.

I feel like the really good shooters can do that, but most role players or average shooters I think would take a hit having to take only deep 3s.

Like last year Jrue Holiday shot better from 3 than Steph Curry. Jrue doesn't take deep 3s, and if he had to I'd expect his % to plummet.

Just like in the 90s when they shortened the line, guys all of a sudden started shooting better, if you extend it a lot of the mid shooters who have been overachieving will likely have tougher time instead of an easier one.

[Phoenix]

I feel like the really good shooters can do that, but most role players or average shooters I think would take a hit having to take only deep 3s.

Like last year Jrue Holiday shot better from 3 than Steph Curry. Jrue doesn't take deep 3s, and if he had to I'd expect his % to plummet.

Just like in the 90s when they shortened the line, guys all of a sudden started shooting better, if you extend it a lot of the mid shooters who have been overachieving will likely have tougher time instead of an easier one.

There's alot of average to decent at best shooters taking more than Klay was back in 2016. Hell Wemby shoots more 3's than Klay most years. I don't think moving back the line causes a huge difference in attempts.

[Walk on Water]

I'm not sure extending the line does much, because alot of guys are already shooting a few feet behind the line. Maybe cut off the corner three as it's the hardest part to close in on, but I don't think it's gonna matter. The moment you let math overtake the organic flow and nuances, you broke the game. Not only that, alot of players are hard-coded to basically play this way now, so alot of guys games would crater for a while until they adapted.

I think the league should adopt more FIBA rules, tighten up ballhandling/carrying and if they can't do that, at least allow handchecking again so defenders have a chance to actually defend. They always say the refs 'pocket the whistle' during the playoffs, well just call it the same way across the year, season and playoffs. That's why Harden was generally never as good in the playoffs as he was regular season.


What you are saying is reasonable. But statistics show that moving the line back a couple feet will lower the 3 point percentage slightly. So I agree we don't need math to overtake the game. But we need to slightly balance it out. I definitely agree with you about the traveling and the carrying. No way should players have that much advantage today. Let the defenders defend more. It would be good for modern players too. Good for their training.

[Walk on Water]

There's alot of average to decent at best shooters taking more than Klay was back in 2016. Hell Wemby shoots more 3's than Klay most years. I don't think moving back the line causes a huge difference in attempts.


It might not cause a huge difference in attempts, but a slightly noticeable difference maybe. And a slight difference in makes. Wemby is an example of how ridiculous 3 pointers have become in the game. A 7 foot 4 athletic freak of nature is shooting more 3s than Klay and he's just average. That is CRAZY.

[Phoenix]

It might not cause a huge difference in attempts, but a slightly noticeable difference maybe. And a slight difference in makes. Wemby is an example of how ridiculous 3 pointers have become in the game. A 7 foot 4 athletic freak of nature is shooting more 3s than Klay and he's just average. That is CRAZY.

I wonder if teams will actually respond by shooting more in order to keep the number of 3s up. So for example, a team taking 40 attempts this year to hit 15 may end up taking 43-45 at the deeper line to maintain that volume.

[AirBonner]

So warriors won with the 3pointer 4 chips. Now that Boston is doing the same thing it’s time to limit them. Right.

[tpols]

So warriors won with the 3pointer 4 chips. Now that Boston is doing the same thing it’s time to limit them. Right.


The warriors had an aesthetic 3pt shooting style that was pleasing to the eye. Dray and Bogut / McGee / Looney can't shoot. Barnes and Iggy and Wiggins are average shooters. Curry and Klay carried them and did it off ball primarily and in spectacular fashion.

Boston is just boring. Yes... they have the perfect scheme and personel to play basic drive and kick 3pt spam. They don't run anything creative and have 0 charisma though.

[AirBonner]

The warriors had an aesthetic 3pt shooting style that was pleasing to the eye. Dray and Bogut / McGee / Looney can't shoot. Barnes and Iggy and Wiggins are average shooters. Curry and Klay carried them and did it off ball primarily and in spectacular fashion.

Boston is just boring. Yes... they have the perfect scheme and personel to play basic drive and kick 3pt spam. They don't run anything creative and have 0 charisma though.

Pleasing? Tell me you don’t watch the Celtics without actually saying it

[90sgoat]

Pleasing? Tell me you don’t watch the Celtics without actually saying it

Boston is mechanic and very boring and it's all based on pick and rolls.

Warriors was based on Pacers-Reggie or Pistons motion offense, having Curry and Klay run off ball, coming off screens, it was definitely a high IQ, read and react kind of system.

[AirBonner]

Nah it’s boring cuz the entire starting 5 is hitting 3’s. You call it boring but warriors were running that score up for years. You just hate Boston it’s ok.

[90sgoat]

Nah it’s boring cuz the entire starting 5 is hitting 3’s. You call it boring but warriors were running that score up for years. You just hate Boston it’s ok.

No, I hate it because there's no complexity. I enjoy things that are complex or creative and Boston have neither. They are meta-spammers from NBA2K and the NBA will eventually have to nerf them.

[AirBonner]

No, I hate it because there's no complexity. I enjoy things that are complex or creative and Boston have neither. They are meta-spammers from NBA2K and the NBA will eventually have to nerf them.

Boston is actually shooting 3’s much more organically by passing the ball a lot more than the warriors. Boston isn’t reliant on illegal moving screens or a Draymond bully ball. It’s actually beautiful.

[Walk on Water]

Boston is actually shooting 3’s much more organically by passing the ball a lot more than the warriors. Boston isn’t reliant on illegal moving screens or a Draymond bully ball. It’s actually beautiful.


You can't accept that the ratings are down and nobody wants to watch Boston's boring style of play. They only shoot 3s and don't do any other plays. I saw it and it's hard to watch.

[Phoenix]

Boston winning isn't why people are saying to limit 3s now. It's because the 2016 Warriors, the team who pioneered the 3point revolution with two of the top 5 shooters ever, would be bottom of the league in 2024 attempts. It's because you've now got centers taking half a dozen when their ass should be near the basket. It's because the all star game has become a joke. It's because now everyone generally plays a similar style so it's become homogenized.

You can't even compare the modern teams to the past now. Every conversation starts and ends with 'the older teams didn't shoot 3s so mathematically they can never win'. It's broken the logic of the game. You can be out-rebounded, assisted, shoot less free throws and still win if you hit more 3s than the opponent.

[Walk on Water]

Boston winning isn't why people are saying to limit 3s now. It's because the 2016 Warriors, the team who pioneered the 3point revolution with two of the top 5 shooters ever, would be bottom of the league in 2024 attempts. It's because you've now got centers taking half a dozen when their ass should be near the basket. It's because the all star game has become a joke. It's because now everyone generally plays a similar style so it's become homogenized.

You can't even compare the modern teams to the past now. Every conversation starts and ends with 'the older teams didn't shoot 3s so mathematically they can never win'. It's broken the logic of the game. You can be out-rebounded, assisted, shoot less free throws and still win if you hit more 3s than the opponent.


That's true. And I'm watching the Celtics and Lakers in 1984. Oh my goodness. They have such incredible skill sets in the paint. I feel like if teams today tried to play against them and didn't rely on 3 pointers, they would get absolutely embarrassed. Today's players have not trained to play well in the paint or inside the 3 point line.

[AirBonner]

You guys are just lying dumb haters that didn’t even watch. Boston almost scored 40pts in the paint last night.

[90sgoat]

That's true. And I'm watching the Celtics and Lakers in 1984. Oh my goodness. They have such incredible skill sets in the paint. I feel like if teams today tried to play against them and didn't rely on 3 pointers, they would get absolutely embarrassed. Today's players have not trained to play well in the paint or inside the 3 point line.

You can just see what happens to the so called Dream Team in FIBA ball. The US has 10x to 100x more basketball players and most of the so called stars struggle to look anything like stars when the rules are not in their favour.

[Walk on Water]

You guys are just lying dumb haters that didn’t even watch. Boston almost scored 40pts in the paint last night.


40 out of how many? Wow. And those measly 40 were mostly just put backs off of missed 3s or open lanes due to defenders hanging out at the 3 point line.