I’d have wounded(but not killed) for this level of tracking back in the day.

[Kblaze8855]

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[Kblaze8855]

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[warriorfan]

Tbh I am getting a little burned out on them. It was kinda cool at first but it seems a little gimmicky and has lost its luster a bit.

Honestly I think I would blame espn by abusing it with their “first time in history a player has scored X in the first 4 minutes of a 2nd quarter” type of factoids. Trying to create history every night out of nothing for ratings/click bait.



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Someone should break down Beal’s salary by game and then by second and figure out how much he has gotten paid to tie his shoes :lol

Disclaimer: (Not trying to bait a bradly beal contract debate. Just thought it was funny.)


Who leads the league in 3 legged 3’s?
@Neal Romer

[Neal Romer]

Tbh I am getting a little burned out on them. It was kinda cool at first but it seems a little gimmicky and has lost its luster a bit.

Honestly I think I would blame espn by abusing it with their “first time in history a player has scored X in the first 4 minutes of a 2nd quarter” type of factoids. Trying to create history every night out of nothing for ratings/click bait.




Someone should break down Beal’s salary by game and then by second and figure out how much he has gotten paid to tie his shoes :lol

Disclaimer: (Not trying to bait a bradly beal contract debate. Just thought it was funny.)


Who leads the league in 3 legged 3’s?
@Neal Romer



https://pbs.twimg.com/ext_tw_video_thumb/1492525731024293888/pu/img/hIo4HvqvNDafcDTg.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

Tbh I am getting a little burned out on them. It was kinda cool at first but it seems a little gimmicky and has lost its luster a bit.

Honestly I think I would blame espn by abusing it with their “first time in history a player has scored X in the first 4 minutes of a 2nd quarter” type of factoids. Trying to create history every night out of nothing for ratings/click bait.




Someone should break down Beal’s salary by game and then by second and figure out how much he has gotten paid to tie his shoes :lol

Disclaimer: (Not trying to bait a bradly beal contract debate. Just thought it was funny.)


Who leads the league in 3 legged 3’s?
@Neal Romer


I included that one specifically to give you something to respond to.

[Kblaze8855]

Somewhat related, but I don’t feel like making another topic while I wait at the stoplight. Apparently, LaMelo Ball is taking more shots per minute than anyone has taken since Wilt Chamberlain.

Presumably, that’s because of the pace these days combined with the whole heliocentric offense thing.

[warriorfan]

I included that one specifically to give you something to respond to.

Lol. I was already responding though.

Props though. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more ridiculous, non-agenda driven, type of take as, “Bradley Beal isn’t even on a bad contract.” It’s nice to see you be able to poke fun at yourself about it. :cheers:

[Im Still Ballin]

Thinking Basketball did a good video recently on new types of shots guys are taking from three. Floater threes, no-dip catch-and-shoot threes, and shooting while moving sideways or whatever the hell LaMelo is doing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB4h8PUAqwE

[Im Still Ballin]

LaMelo is absolutely carrying Charlotte's offense. 114.0 on-court ORtg, 102.2 off-court ORtg, +11.8 on-off NRtg. From +0.6 above league average ORtg when he's on the court to -11.2 when he's off it. Like going from the 12th-best offense to the 30th.

[warriorfan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wup3ZJ8v0xE

At the time this was taken how many people thought he would be bringing this energy to the NBA?

[RRR3]

Somewhat related, but I don’t feel like making another topic while I wait at the stoplight. Apparently, LaMelo Ball is taking more shots per minute than anyone has taken since Wilt Chamberlain.

Presumably, that’s because of the pace these days combined with the whole heliocentric offense thing.
It’s mostly because they’ve been dealing with injuries so he’s often the only NBA worthy player on the court. Now that Mark Williams is back he has someone to pass to. You’d like Mark Williams btw Blaze, he has nice touch and skill around the hoop and he’s a big classic center. Idk if he’ll ever get post up opportunities but maybe if he develops. Saw him hit a really tough contested off balance floater from short midrange last night and he also had an incredible finish under the hoop despite falling down as it happened.

[90sgoat]

Nerds ruined sport.

[Kblaze8855]

Lol. I was already responding though.

Props though. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more ridiculous, non-agenda driven, type of take as, “Bradley Beal isn’t even on a bad contract.” It’s nice to see you be able to poke fun at yourself about it. :cheers:


From day one I told you, it wasn’t a big enough contract to keep a team from doing anything because those contracts no longer exist. And that had to be factored into the idea that it could be even close to the worst deal ever. And now you have players like Michael Porter, Desmond Bane, Ben Simmons, Lavine and so on All making 40-50 million and Beal with his contract can steel fit into a roster that has the fourth and sixth highest paid players in the league on it. At his Pay, you could also have Jokic and Giannis on the same team salary wise. if what you are paid still leaves room to play with the highest paid teammates in the league your contract isn’t in the running for the worst ever. The entire idea was born of ignorance of history, not to mention of the present and obvious future were people like Paul George, who are four or five years older. I’m gonna make between 50 and 57 million for the next several years while, already being less productive than Beal is now while others make 50 to play so rarely you forget theyre even in the league. This is a league Van Vleet gets 40+ million to give you 15/6 on 39/33 shooting.

And you have people legitimately talking about someone, having the worst contract of all time when he doesn’t have the worst contract in the league right now(relative to performance…I don’t how how George playing the same or worse while much older or Ben Simmons who is just a hypothetical player the last few years isn’t worse). And saying it in a world where people like Horace Grant a bit past his prime was making 50% more money than Shaq, David Robinson, or Hakeem. If you tripled Karl Malones pay his first MVP season he would’ve still made less than Horace Grant.

dudes like Horace were making the modern cap equivalent of $80 million dollars. On multiple occasions people you’ve never heard of were made the highest paid player in NBA history.

The whole thing and the discussion around it was completely overblown from historical aspect for two major reasons. People love putting things in an all-time context when they have no information about history. And 2 sports fans love to sensationalize everything right in front of them.

It was never worth as much talk as it got. As I told you you were entering a world we’re straight up role players would be making over 40 million and we are here. Within a couple years, someone is gonna get signed to like $400 million and end up being a Zion barely playing situation And the whole line of discussion will start over from people who don’t realize a role-player got paid more than Michael Jordan in his prime.

you read those things and keep telling me something like the dozens of similar and way way way worse contracts don’t justify the contracts of today while ignoring that they only got mentioned because you were adamant that what you were seeing was the worst thing ever. You just always look past that part.

The owner saw the error of their Waze in the past and made it virtually impossible for a modern contract to be as outsized as they used to do and they’ve made it impossible for One to be as long-term destructive. There are those seven year max deals. Nobody gets signed for 10 12 15 or 20 years like they used to. It is impossible to screw players as much or players to screw teams as much as they have all through history. But I’ve been on here for 20 years reading people say every new deal they don’t like is the worst one ever while being completely untrue every single time.

no deal signed after 1999 will ever legitimately be in the discussion for worst ever. Deals no longer have the capacity to be super long-term and destructive. The worst deals were all two or three years from being in attractive expiring contract.

You can’t destroy your whole error with a contract anymore, but people who only remember the way it is seem to think you can despite every deal that is ever been called and unmovable albatross on here being moved when the team decided to do so.

Everyone’s pay is so controlled and pre-slotted it’s all predictable and built-in cap smoothing means today’s players actually make less relative to the cap each season instead of more. Unless you’re a young player, jumping from rookie wages to the rookie max extension, your raise is more than absorbed by the additional cap.

meaning relative to the cap Beal in the 50s in a couple years will be less than Beal in the 40s a couple years ago.

It’s set up to allow anyone to take a shot with a super team for a couple Years, then be stopped by the luxury tax penalties and have to start again.

You can pay a bill and still have money to arguably. Add the two best players in the league next to him. You just can’t do it forever. But an ambitious Owner can do it Because nobody gets a contract big enough to prevent adding a couple of more stars next to them.

You never seem to understand it was never about any individual player. It was just about explaining to you why the owners give these deals out and how they have protected themselves from ever making the kind of mistake owners used to make.

A team could sign you to 200 million and still be able to have Steph Curry and Jokic on the roster. So how destructive could you be? But if a team could pay you what they make combined, but still had a salary cap to figure out you would personally make them bad. Which is why under the old rules, you would be eligible to have the worst deal in history, but under today’s rules, your negative impact would be capped in the acceptable range by the people who pay it.

I feel like at this point you have to realize this whole exercise has been to teach people perspective and I’m sure you know more than you did initially and that’s enough for me. I never gave a shit about Bradley Beal. I give a shit about history. And the word “ever” is my Bat signal.

[Kblaze8855]

I’ve really been walking around talking my phone for like 12 minutes at six in the morning. I need something to do with my mornings. One thing I’ll save for Work. It was an excellent use of the first few hours of the day.




It’s mostly because they’ve been dealing with injuries so he’s often the only NBA worthy player on the court. Now that Mark Williams is back he has someone to pass to. You’d like Mark Williams btw Blaze, he has nice touch and skill around the hoop and he’s a big classic center. Idk if he’ll ever get post up opportunities but maybe if he develops. Saw him hit a really tough contested off balance floater from short midrange last night and he also had an incredible finish under the hoop despite falling down as it happened.




I’m only vaguely aware of who that is. I suppose looking into it is as good a use of my time pacing around the house like a madman as any other.

[warriorfan]

From day one I told you, it wasn’t a big enough contract to keep a team from doing anything because those contracts no longer exist. And that had to be factored into the idea that it could be even close to the worst deal ever. And now you have players like Michael Porter, Desmond Bane, Ben Simmons, Lavine and so on All making 40-50 million and Beal with his contract can steel fit into a roster that has the fourth and sixth highest paid players in the league on it. At his Pay, you could also have Jokic and Giannis on the same team salary wise. if what you are paid still leaves room to play with the highest paid teammates in the league your contract isn’t in the running for the worst ever. The entire idea was born of ignorance of history, not to mention of the present and obvious future were people like Paul George, who are four or five years older. I’m gonna make between 50 and 57 million for the next several years while, already being less productive than Beal is now while others make 50 to play so rarely you forget theyre even in the league. This is a league Van Vleet gets 40+ million to give you 15/6 on 39/33 shooting.

And you have people legitimately talking about someone, having the worst contract of all time when he doesn’t have the worst contract in the league right now(relative to performance…I don’t how how George playing the same or worse while much older or Ben Simmons who is just a hypothetical player the last few years isn’t worse). And saying it in a world where people like Horace Grant a bit past his prime was making 50% more money than Shaq, David Robinson, or Hakeem. If you tripled Karl Malones pay his first MVP season he would’ve still made less than Horace Grant.

dudes like Horace were making the modern cap equivalent of $80 million dollars. On multiple occasions people you’ve never heard of were made the highest paid player in NBA history.

The whole thing and the discussion around it was completely overblown from historical aspect for two major reasons. People love putting things in an all-time context when they have no information about history. And 2 sports fans love to sensationalize everything right in front of them.

It was never worth as much talk as it got. As I told you you were entering a world we’re straight up role players would be making over 40 million and we are here. Within a couple years, someone is gonna get signed to like $400 million and end up being a Zion barely playing situation And the whole line of discussion will start over from people who don’t realize a role-player got paid more than Michael Jordan in his prime.

you read those things and keep telling me something like the dozens of similar and way way way worse contracts don’t justify the contracts of today while ignoring that they only got mentioned because you were adamant that what you were seeing was the worst thing ever. You just always look past that part.

The owner saw the error of their Waze in the past and made it virtually impossible for a modern contract to be as outsized as they used to do and they’ve made it impossible for One to be as long-term destructive. There are those seven year max deals. Nobody gets signed for 10 12 15 or 20 years like they used to. It is impossible to screw players as much or players to screw teams as much as they have all through history. But I’ve been on here for 20 years reading people say every new deal they don’t like is the worst one ever while being completely untrue every single time.

no deal signed after 1999 will ever legitimately be in the discussion for worst ever. Deals no longer have the capacity to be super long-term and destructive. The worst deals were all two or three years from being in attractive expiring contract.

You can’t destroy your whole error with a contract anymore, but people who only remember the way it is seem to think you can despite every deal that is ever been called and unmovable albatross on here being moved when the team decided to do so.

Everyone’s pay is so controlled and pre-slotted it’s all predictable and built-in cap smoothing means today’s players actually make less relative to the cap each season instead of more. Unless you’re a young player, jumping from rookie wages to the rookie max extension, your raise is more than absorbed by the additional cap.

meaning relative to the cap Beal in the 50s in a couple years will be less than Beal in the 40s a couple years ago.

It’s set up to allow anyone to take a shot with a super team for a couple Years, then be stopped by the luxury tax penalties and have to start again.

You can pay a bill and still have money to arguably. Add the two best players in the league next to him. You just can’t do it forever. But an ambitious Owner can do it Because nobody gets a contract big enough to prevent adding a couple of more stars next to them.

You never seem to understand it was never about any individual player. It was just about explaining to you why the owners give these deals out and how they have protected themselves from ever making the kind of mistake owners used to make.

A team could sign you to 200 million and still be able to have Steph Curry and Jokic on the roster. So how destructive could you be? But if a team could pay you what they make combined, but still had a salary cap to figure out you would personally make them bad. Which is why under the old rules, you would be eligible to have the worst deal in history, but under today’s rules, your negative impact would be capped in the acceptable range by the people who pay it.

I feel like at this point you have to realize this whole exercise has been to teach people perspective and I’m sure you know more than you did initially and that’s enough for me. I never gave a shit about Bradley Beal. I give a shit about history. And the word “ever” is my Bat signal.

How many of those had a no trade clause?

[sdot_thadon]

Yeah the level of details would have been heaven for 12 year old me for sure lol. Man seeing that stat makes me wonder how much more fun Rex Chapman would have been in this era.....

[Kblaze8855]

How many of those had a no trade clause?

Several of them had considerably worse. Even Ignoring that it would be better to have a borderline All-Star/all nba type with a no trade clause for 45 million over paying a borderline All Star 80,000,000 without a trade clause because it would effectively be the same thing……

Contracts used to be way more destructive. Before the modern rules were in place teams got creative all the time and so did agents. They were great success stories and teams and players who basically got ****ed for a generation. Players have signed nine year deals in their 30s that included partial team ownership. Back when they weren’t controls on rookie deals, some players would ask for 10 years. And they got them. With varying results. The hornets gave Larry Johnson a 12 year deal for the most money in sports history and he was only an All-Star one more time after getting it and was still being paid a few years after he retired.

on the other hand, Glenn Robinson signed a deal that went through almost his entire career. I think it was 10 years. He started out making superstar money, but by the end, he was getting role-player money because the contract went up and he didn’t. So the team wins that round. but in response to things like that being possible people like Webber and Howard were able to basically cripple teams.

as I’ve told you, Webber signed for 15 years as a rookie, but to offset the possibility of being ****ed over by bigger contracts in the future, he had a player option after one year. If your future Hall of Fame Homerun draft pick big man just tell you after his rookie season, he’s opting out you’re way more ****ed than Eddie Jones having a no trade.

Imagine Wemby just telling the Spurs he’s going to be a free agent right now. The Spurs having signed that deal would be dumber than anything in recent memory.

And here’s the funny thing. The very next season the wizards did the same thing with Webber’s teammate, Juwan Howard. He had an 11 year deal with a player option on like year two which was how he was able to negotiate early and get the first hundred million dollar deal which broke the market. The wizards watch the Warriors get ****ed with one of these deals and traded for Webber who ****ed them to pair him with Howard, his college teammate who they gave the same kind of deal to.

Forget Beal. The list of stupid self-destructive contracts in history doesn’t involve any of these players we talk about now. Not him not wall not whoever. The owners wised up and removed the potential to destroy themselves. I’ve just been reading up on them and laughing for 2 years and I think you think I care way more than I do about the current guys. George has a ridiculous deal by the standards we have now. Hes old. Fell off. Injured. All that. But it isn’t for 9 years and a cut of the franchise. His deal isn’t for 50% of the value of the team he plays for.

Teams literally can’t go that level of all in anymore. It’s why they shut down the league in 99. Those old contracts were just wild.

[warriorfan]

Several of them had considerably worse. Even Ignoring that it would be better to have a borderline All-Star/all nba type with a no trade clause for 45 million over paying a borderline All Star 80,000,000 without a trade clause because it would effectively be the same thing……

Contracts used to be way more destructive. Before the modern rules were in place teams got creative all the time and so did agents. They were great success stories and teams and players who basically got ****ed for a generation. Players have signed nine year deals in their 30s that included partial team ownership. Back when they weren’t controls on rookie deals, some players would ask for 10 years. And they got them. With varying results. The hornets gave Larry Johnson a 12 year deal for the most money in sports history and he was only an All-Star one more time after getting it and was still being paid a few years after he retired.

on the other hand, Glenn Robinson signed a deal that went through almost his entire career. I think it was 10 years. He started out making superstar money, but by the end, he was getting role-player money because the contract went up and he didn’t. So the team wins that round. but in response to things like that being possible people like Webber and Howard were able to basically cripple teams.

as I’ve told you, Webber signed for 15 years as a rookie, but to offset the possibility of being ****ed over by bigger contracts in the future, he had a player option after one year. If your future Hall of Fame Homerun draft pick big man just tell you after his rookie season, he’s opting out you’re way more ****ed than Eddie Jones having a no trade.

Imagine Wemby just telling the Spurs he’s going to be a free agent right now. The Spurs having signed that deal would be dumber than anything in recent memory.

And here’s the funny thing. The very next season the wizards did the same thing with Webber’s teammate, Juwan Howard. He had an 11 year deal with a player option on like year two which was how he was able to negotiate early and get the first hundred million dollar deal which broke the market. The wizards watch the Warriors get ****ed with one of these deals and traded for Webber who ****ed them to pair him with Howard, his college teammate who they gave the same kind of deal to.

Forget Beal. The list of stupid self-destructive contracts in history doesn’t involve any of these players we talk about now. Not him not wall not whoever. The owners wised up and removed the potential to destroy themselves. I’ve just been reading up on them and laughing for 2 years and I think you think I care way more than I do about the current guys. George has a ridiculous deal by the standards we have now. Hes old. Fell off. Injured. All that. But it isn’t for 9 years and a cut of the franchise. His deal isn’t for 50% of the value of the team he plays for.

Teams literally can’t go that level of all in anymore. It’s why they shut down the league in 99. Those old contracts were just wild.

https://i.postimg.cc/kg2W484Y/IMG-5492.jpg

[Kblaze8855]

The fact that someone traded for the deal eliminates it from contention. Nobody traded for John Koncak because he was a 20 minute a game role-player who made $2.9 million when Malone and Hakeem were making $3 million. That isn’t Beal/Eddie Jones/whatever all star getting 45 million. That’s Kelly Olynyk getting 45 million. Non-Allstars, you have never heard of have signed the biggest contract in sports history. The only reason you don’t know what happened is because they are nobodies who you wouldn’t remember. It really isn’t even close to contention If you have any idea about nba history. But most who say “nba history” don’t. It’s just said for effect without the expectation the person talking might actually know something about history.

And in your case at this point just to troll. You can’t be stupid enough to think giving your Hall of Fame rookie of the year a player option so he can walk in year two is more intelligent than any of these modern deals with limited degrees of danger.

Imagine the Mavs signing Luka to a contract he could void in his second season. It’s just unfathomable stupidity. Nothing you can do with modern contract limitations would compare.

Which I’m sure you realize by now. I just thought I would include the stat up there to give you something to laugh about Seeing as youre still stuck on that particular deal while I transitioned years ago to just exploring the hilarity of the history of NBA contracts.

[Neal Romer]

The fact that someone traded for the deal eliminates it from contention. Nobody traded for John Koncak because he was a 20 minute a game role-player who made $2.9 million when Malone and Hakeem were making $3 million. That isn’t Beal/Eddie Jones/whatever all star getting 45 million. That’s Kelly Olynyk getting 45 million. Non-Allstars, you have never heard of have signed the biggest contract in sports history. The only reason you don’t know what happened is because they are nobodies who you wouldn’t remember. It really isn’t even close to contention If you have any idea about nba history. But most who say “nba history” don’t. It’s just said for effect without the expectation the person talking might actually know something about history.

And in your case at this point just to troll. You can’t be stupid enough to think giving your Hall of Fame rookie of the year a player option so he can walk in year two is more intelligent than any of these modern deals with limited degrees of danger.

Imagine the Mavs signing Luka to a contract he could void in his second season. It’s just unfathomable stupidity. Nothing you can do with modern contract limitations would compare.

Which I’m sure you realize by now. I just thought I would include the stat up there to give you something to laugh about Seeing as youre still stuck on that particular deal while I transitioned years ago to just exploring the hilarity of the history of NBA contracts.


John Koncak is a legend of my childhood.

Not for his NBA prowess, but because once as me and my buddies were playing NBA Jam one of us selected the Hawks randomly, and we were joking like "Who tf is John Koncak :roll:" We'd literally never heard of him.

And then somehow whoever was playing him caught unprecedented fire and was just obliterating everyone with John Koncak and it cracked us the hell up. The name John Koncak became an immediate folk hero in my circle thereafter.

True story.

[Kblaze8855]

There was someone Unstoppable in the old Bulls versus Blazers Sega Genesis game and I can’t remember who it is right now and it’s annoying me. Tom Chambers? I’ll have to investigate

[RRR3]

There was someone Unstoppable in the old Bulls versus Blazers Sega Genesis game and I can’t remember who it is right now and it’s annoying me. Tom Chambers? I’ll have to investigate
Tom Chambers was never on the Bulls or Blazers tho?

[SouBeachTalents]

Tom Chambers was never on the Bulls or Blazers tho?
That was the name of the game, it had all the playoff teams in it.

[RRR3]

That was the name of the game, it had all the playoff teams in it.
That's a bizarre name for a game, and limiting it to just playoff teams is so weird. Different time I guess.

[Kblaze8855]

I admit I have holes in my information about the current league but I will not have my recollection of 1992 impugned

https://i.ibb.co/p1Sjvrk/IMG-1038.gif

[L.Kizzle]

That's a bizarre name for a game, and limiting it to just playoff teams is so weird. Different time I guess.
They couldn't fit 27 teams on a game back then. And plus who wants to play with the Wolves and Bullets in 1992.

[Kblaze8855]

I’d have shown out with Michael Adams.

[tpols]

I admit I have holes in my information about the current league but I will not have my recollection of 1992 impugned

https://i.ibb.co/p1Sjvrk/IMG-1038.gif

For Pete's sake, yall really were in the stone age back then. :roll:

[Wardell Curry]

The Bradley Beal deal was the worst or very close to the worst deal in NBA history. Top 5 for sure. Just because someone was dumb enough to trade for it after the fact doesn't disprove that.

It just means that the team that traded for him was even dumber than the team that signed him.

Teams have dumb people working for them.

Owners get excited by names and make silly decisions all the time. People want to act like because millions of dollars are at stake that these people running these things must automatically be good at or qualified to do their jobs on a level justifying the pay.

Spoiler: They're not, and they're not.

Doc Rivers still has a coaching gig in the NBA, lol. You don't need further proof that there's not a whole lot of original and independent thought going on in the majority of NBA front offices than that.

[Kblaze8855]

For Pete's sake, yall really were in the stone age back then. :roll:


That was at least the Bronze Age. Maybe even Iron. I played this when I was a kid




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[Kblaze8855]

The Bradley Beal deal was the worst or very close to the worst deal in NBA history. Top 5 for sure. Just because someone was dumb enough to trade for it after the fact doesn't disprove that.

It just means that the team that traded for him was even dumber than the team that signed him.

Teams have dumb people working for them.

Owners get excited by names and make silly decisions all the time. People want to act like because millions of dollars are at stake that these people running these things must automatically be good at or qualified to do their jobs on a level justifying the pay.

Spoiler: They're not, and they're not.

Doc Rivers still has a coaching gig in the NBA, lol. You don't need further proof that there's not a whole lot of original and independent thought going on in the majority of NBA front offices than that.


Hotrod Williams made more than Bird and Jordan combined to be a backup who started 14 games on a 33 win team.

The Warriors Folded and put a player option on Chris Webber’s rookie deal which had them lose their future Hall of Fame rookie of the year before his second season because he refused to play for Don Nelson. After winning 50 games his rookie year with him They missed the playoffs for 11 straight years and took over 20 Years to to win that much again.

There is literally no outcome short of him showing up one day and burning down the practice facility with the team in it that will make his contract Nearly as Notable or destructive as contracts used to be.

they were contract so costly that when the team didn’t get the turnaround it expected the owner had to shut down the team. There have been contracts that essentially put owners out of business.

Contracts lost the eligibility to be the worst of all time after the 1999 lockout removed the ability of owners to destroy themselves.

Contracts peak at inconvenient but tradable.

Nobody was trading for John Koncak to pay a back up as much Two superstars combined. They just had to eat it and pay him till it ended and he left in free agency.

any deal someone will call you and agree to take on in exchange for something else is definitely ineligible for this conversation.

you can’t get out of the worst contract of all time because nobody else would want it. The way modern contracts work he’s paid less relative to the cap each season not more. The number goes up the percentage of the cap goes down.

The NBA has protected itself from any single deal being crippling. That’s why every single contract brought up here as the worst ever gets moved several times. They aren’t that damaging anymore and teams Use them for long-term planning based on the future free agent market.

There is no way for a contract signed these days to approach the destructive potential of contracts before 1999. They just aren’t long enough or big enough relative to the cap. And the league illegalized all the wacky additions like future team ownership or agreements that a player gets to become the player coach If you fire the coach he came there to play for.

I’m not sure John Wall played 50 healthy games of his near record contract and he isn’t really up there either. Neither is Paul George’s current one.

The league was willing to cancel a season to change from a system that allowed the deals that came before that.

The worst deal you can get these days is the result of negotiations that succeeded in minimizing risk.

that’s why you don’t have role players making 44% of the salary cap. That’s why nobody’s second best player makes the modern cap equivalent of $88 million. That’s why Wemby couldn’t use the threat of simply staying overseas to make the Spurs give him a 10 year $700 million Dollar contract with a player option on his second third fourth and fifth seasons that would let him essentially run the franchise or walk.

The league took control. These deals you think are bad now…are what control looks like. It just doesn’t feel like it because you can only compare it to itself.

[Kblaze8855]

I think that’s more than enough on that for now.


Looking forward, I’m just wondering if the rules about super max eligibility are gonna clash with a 65 game rule to make a whole new class of super max eligible players to start this whole conversation over.

Luka, Ja Morant, and Embiid are already ineligible for all NBA teams. I think Booker can miss like six or seven more games?

we are going to start having four or five people a year making all NBA teams just off better players being in eligible and some team that thinks it can win a championship is gonna have to pay its second best player $370 million to find out it can’t. I’m just wondering who its going to be.

SGA or Luka will be the first 400 million dollar guy but right behind them some Klay type is gonna get 350-390 because the team will be afraid to blow it up before seeing if they can win.

[warriorfan]

The Bradley Beal deal was the worst or very close to the worst deal in NBA history. Top 5 for sure. Just because someone was dumb enough to trade for it after the fact doesn't disprove that.

It just means that the team that traded for him was even dumber than the team that signed him.

Teams have dumb people working for them.

Owners get excited by names and make silly decisions all the time. People want to act like because millions of dollars are at stake that these people running these things must automatically be good at or qualified to do their jobs on a level justifying the pay.

Spoiler: They're not, and they're not.

Doc Rivers still has a coaching gig in the NBA, lol. You don't need further proof that there's not a whole lot of original and independent thought going on in the majority of NBA front offices than that.

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Kblaze: “Beal’s contract is easily moveable” :lol




Remember that when suns traded for beal, common consensus was that they ****ed up big time. If you find my posts about it I straight up said Suns commit franchise suicide with this trade and aren’t going anywhere and will be able to get out of the situation due to beal’s contract being truly terrible and them being in the second apron.

Everyone clowned the suns hard, ESPN gave he trade a D grade which I don’t think i’ve ever seen lol


In before Kblaze makes another filibuster style post to try to detract from the points that he made saying

A: Bradley Beal’s contract isn’t even bad
B: Bradley Beal’s contract is easily moveable

Both points are just laughing stock material.

[Kblaze8855]

If I say an apple is easily cut and you say it isn’t and someone cuts it immediately that’s kind of the end of the discussion. At least for someone interested in acknowledging reality even when it opposes what they thought was the case.

We have literally seen this play out for like six different people. There’s a 100% rate of contracts called a immovable albatross being traded. Youre gonna say the next one can’t be traded too. You’ll be wrong again. I realized I was wrong the first or second time one of these “Jesus christ…” reaction giant deals got moved. I don’t know how many times the supposedly immovable contracts are gonna have to be moved before you just stop saying it, but I don’t think there’s any meat left on that bone.

And you don’t seem interested in the larger discussion that actually has some amusing elements like the Pistons signing a guy who had just ruptured his Achilles to a 10 year deal that included partial team ownership. Or the rookie guard who was never an All-Star, but had a contract where he was paid more than the Indiana Pacers were sold for. You’d rather act like a guy on a deal so limited in scope the team he’s on can also have two of the other six highest paid players in the league at the same time has the worst deal ever when deals have been so ruinous franchises were forced to stop operations.

Those details are interesting to me. And You’re not honest enough to just say “Damn, I didn’t know how much worse it used to be” so there is no further point in educating you. Us both repeating ourselves for 2 more years after he was already traded and the discussion rendered obsolete isn’t doing much. Don’t worry. I won’t even need to pop in with a remark when he gets traded for Jimmy Butler, or who the hell ever it ends up being when you come back and act like an apple that has been cut twice is still uncuttable. It’s just more noise on an uninteresting subject.

I….am about to find some food before the games start. Good day.

[warriorfan]

If I say an apple is easily cut and you say it isn’t and someone cuts it immediately that’s kind of the end of the discussion. At least for someone interested in acknowledging reality even when it opposes what they thought was the case.

We have literally seen this play out for like six different people. There’s a 100% rate of contracts called a immovable albatross being traded. Youre gonna say the next one can’t be traded too. You’ll be wrong again. I realized I was wrong the first or second time one of these “Jesus christ…” reaction giant deals got moved. I don’t know how many times the supposedly immovable contracts are gonna have to be moved before you just stop saying it, but I don’t think there’s any meat left on that bone and you don’t seem interested in the larger discussion that actually has some amusing elements like the Pistons signing a guy who had just ruptured his Achilles to a 10 year deal that included partial team ownership.

Those details are interesting to me. Us both repeating ourselves for 2 more years after he was already traded and the discussion rendered obsolete isn’t doing much. Don’t worry. I won’t even need to pop in with a remark when he gets traded for Jimmy Butler, or who the hell ever it ends up being when you come back and act like an apple that has been cut twice is still uncuttable. It’s just more noise on an uninteresting subject.

I….am about to find some food before the games start. Good day.

Call the suns and see how they are doing with that completely fine and tradeable contract

:lol

[Kblaze8855]

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[warriorfan]

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Call up the suns and ask them how they are doing with that “perfectly fine and easily tradeable” beal contract. :lol :roll:

[Kblaze8855]

The suns? Don’t you mean the wizards? How on earth could he not be on the team that signed a supposedly unmovable contract?

And apparently I’m not picking up food by the way. I have been asked to make cube steak. Not my idea of game watching food, but I associate with a great number of middle-aged southern Black people so it is what it is. But now I don’t have anything to do at the moment.

i’ve been so bored lately I might actually get a job again. Never thought I’d say it, but I might become one of those people who works just to get out of the house. That or start traveling across Asia. Maybe do one of those black person abroad things and keep note of how many people are shocked to see a tall well dressed black guy and make a bigger deal out of it than it deserves. My friend spent a couple months in Japan and Korea and had people asking to take pictures with him. It was some years ago though…

[warriorfan]

The suns? Don’t you mean the wizards? How on earth could he not be on the team that signed a supposedly unmovable contract?

And apparently I’m not picking up food by the way. I have been asked to make cube steak. Not my idea of game watching food, but I associate with a great number of middle-aged southern Black people so it is what it is. But now I don’t have anything to do at the moment.

i’ve been so bored lately I might actually get a job again. Never thought I’d say it, but I might become one of those people who works just to get out of the house. That or start traveling across Asia. Maybe do one of those black person abroad things and keep note of how many people are shocked to see a tall well dressed black guy and make a bigger deal out of it than it deserves. My friend spent a couple months in Japan and Korea and had people asking to take pictures with him. It was some years ago though…

The suns traded for him and everyone clowned them for it. The deal epically backfired in their face.

If it was easily moveable suns would be able to deal him.


They can’t.

:shrug: