Kobe Bryant doc "Making of a Legend" uncover police interview that complicates legacy

[Drygon]

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/kobe-bryant-documentary-making-of-a-legend-uncovers-police-interview-that-complicates-legacy/ar-AA1xQMjq

On Saturday (January 25) the first episode of a new three-part documentary, Kobe: The Making of a Legend, will air on CNN.

But is the second episode, set to arrive on January 31, that will prove most controversial, as it includes details of a newly unearthed police interview with the 19-year-old hotel worker who accused Bryant of sexual assault in 2003.

Her account of what happened next is chilling. In a victim’s statement, she says: “When he took off his pants, that’s when I started to kinda back up, and to push his hands off me, and that’s when he started to choke me.” Asked by a police detective how hard he was choking her, she replies in video seen now for the first time: “He wasn’t choking me enough that I couldn’t breathe, just choking me to the point I was scared.” She also tells detectives that she repeatedly told Bryant “no”. When they ask how she can be sure he heard her, she responds: “Because every time I said ‘no’ he tightened his hold, around me.”

The documentary also quotes from police interviews with Bryant himself, who initially denies having sex with the young woman. After making it clear that all he really cares about is his wife not finding out, he eventually admits that he did have sex with her and that he did have his hands around her neck. “I had my right hand like this and my other hand like that,” he tells police. Asked how hard he was holding her, he responds: “I don’t know. My hands are strong. I don’t know

[White Hammer]

Kobe always did have strong hands.

[StickyWice]

She is not innocent. When you go to a house at night with Kobe you get black mamba. Mamba mentality kick in. That is true.

[ArbitraryWater]

Nothing new/too shocking here.

Obv when you accuse someone of rape you have to be somewhat specific.


She had like 3 different semens in her didnt she? Seems unlikely Kobe would be the one she rejects :lol

[StickyWice]

Nothing new/too shocking here.

Obv when you accuse someone of rape you have to be somewhat specific.


She had like 3 different semens in her didnt she? Seems unlikely Kobe would be the one she rejects :lol

Top guy also have multiple seamen in him

[iamgine]

The rape part doesn't bother me. The part that might complicatea his legacy is the fact that he was so scared to the point that he snitched on Shaq. So he's like the rest of us after all. All the "mamba mentality" stuff is just a facade.

[warriorfan]

Alpha.

[Mask the Embiid]

The rape part doesn't bother me. The part that might complicatea his legacy is the fact that he was so scared to the point that he snitched on Shaq. So he's like the rest of us after all. All the "mamba mentality" stuff is just a facade.

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[ILLsmak]

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haha

-Smak

[jstern]

The rape part doesn't bother me. The part that might complicatea his legacy is the fact that he was so scared to the point that he snitched on Shaq. So he's like the rest of us after all. All the "mamba mentality" stuff is just a facade.

People should remember, that this is a guy who said that he would rape a little girl, if he had beef with her father.

[Proctor]

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:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ImKobe]

Her account makes KB look absolutely terrible but I suggest people actually go through the facts of the case


The only witness to testify at the hearing, a defense expert, said that DNA evidence strongly suggested that Mr. Bryant's accuser had sex with a second man not long after her encounter with Mr. Bryant. That conclusion is at odds with a statement the woman gave at the time and will doubtless be used by defense lawyers to provide an alternative explanation for the injuries she suffered.

If someone's abused the way she claims she was, there's no way you go from that to having consentual sex with someone else immediately after. You also sure as hell don't go around bragging to multiple people about having sex with KB like she did.


The young woman accusing Kobe Bryant of rape bragged about the alleged assault at a party last week - and gave a graphic description of the NBA star's anatomy, partygoers said. Steve Evancho told NBC News that he was surprised when the 19-year-old woman showed up at his house party on July 15 - three days before prosecutors slapped Bryant with sex assault charges. "She was bragging about the whole thing," Evancho said, adding that the woman seemed "happy. She was having fun.

[ArbitraryWater]

Her account makes KB look absolutely terrible but I suggest people actually go through the facts of the case



If someone's abused the way she claims she was, there's no way you go from that to having consentual sex with someone else immediately after. You also sure as hell don't go around bragging to multiple people about having sex with KB like she did.


Tbf I can actually see both of those things happening as a coping mechanism in a state of trauma.

I didnt know it was only one other sexual partner and it happened after Kobe.

That makes an account of rape more believable than if she had had 1-2 sexual partners before Kobe and then happens to turn down, Kobe.

[ImKobe]

Tbf I can actually see both of those things happening as a coping mechanism in a state of trauma.

I didnt know it was only one other sexual partner and it happened after Kobe.

That makes an account of rape more believable than if she had had 1-2 sexual partners before Kobe and then happens to turn down, Kobe.

She apparently got violently assaulted and immediately went on to have sex with another man? And then brags about it and says she's going to get breast implants and start a recording studio with the settlement money?

Yeah, the fact that she went on to have sex after the "rape" is what makes this unlikely, and this was proven with DNA because Kobe would've had another man's DNA somewhere on him had it happened before.

I don't like blaming potential victims in these cases but her case was always iffy to me given the facts that came out of it, but Kobe's no saint in this either and he showed his stupidity with the stuff he said to the cops.

I don't think he raped her, she just knew she could get life-changing money out of him. Kobe wouldn't have been able to come back from that rape case if the facts were more on her side.

Obviously he settled because it was such a huge distraction in his life so whether he was guilty or not he needed it to go away and that in some people's eyes also makes him quilty, but why would a person in his position risk jail time when all he'd have to do is pay like a million to make it go away instantly?

[ArbitraryWater]

She apparently got violently assaulted and immediately went on to have sex with another man? And then brags about it and says she's going to get breast implants and start a recording studio with the settlement money?

Yeah, the fact that she went on to have sex after the "rape" is what makes this unlikely, and this was proven with DNA because Kobe would've had another man's DNA somewhere on him had it happened before.

I don't like blaming potential victims in these cases but her case was always iffy to me given the facts that came out of it, but Kobe's no saint in this either and he showed his stupidity with the stuff he said to the cops.

I don't think he raped her, she just knew she could get life-changing money out of him. Kobe wouldn't have been able to come back from that rape case if the facts were more on her side.

Obviously he settled because it was such a huge distraction in his life so whether he was guilty or not he needed it to go away and that in some people's eyes also makes him quilty, but why would a person in his position risk jail time when all he'd have to do is pay like a million to make it go away instantly?

Well it wasnt "violently assaulted", according to her, she was raped, probably subtly. Kobe didnt exert overt force, he didnt have to. The threat of force makes most rapes happen.

She could have been in a state of shock, detached, trying to cope.. I can definitely see those things happen.

I think its far more unlikely that Kobe raped her if she was promiscuous and just had sex with a random, but then rejects Kobe.

[Wally450]

I just read Three-Ring Circus by Jeff Pearlman and read the chapters about the detectives and DA interviewing Kobe and Matthison about what happened, and the woman didn't want to go on with the case, so they settled. The DA 100% believes Kobe raped her. Plus in the dialogue of their recorded interviews with him, he pretty much admits to doing it.

[tpols]

We don't really know if Kobe did it but man was he stupid for talking to the cops. Should've lawyered up immediately, a normal guy would've went to prison with bad jacket. Shit, they threw tyson and Tupac in prison for the same exact thing.

[ImKobe]

Well it wasnt "violently assaulted", according to her, she was raped, probably subtly. Kobe didnt exert overt force, he didnt have to. The threat of force makes most rapes happen.

She could have been in a state of shock, detached, trying to cope.. I can definitely see those things happen.

I think its far more unlikely that Kobe raped her if she was promiscuous and just had sex with a random, but then rejects Kobe.

That's stupid. It's far more likely that she lied about the rape because she had sex again right after instead of going to the police first. Also the quote in OP says she was choked and he would tighten his hold every time she said "no".


Haddon said that evidence indicated the woman had sex in the hours after her encounter with Bryant but before her hospital exam the next day. Attorneys for the woman have vehemently denied she had sex with anyone immediately after Bryant.

So make this make sense. She was "raped" by Kobe and then went on to have sex and didn't go to the police until the following day? She then also brags about having sex with Kobe and describes his ***** to random people at a party?


In a thorough review of court documents, CBS News pieced together the likely basis of the defense case. In October, under aggressive questioning by attorney Pamela Mackey, lead detective Doug Winters admitted that:

another man's semen was found on swabs taken from the woman's body.
pubic combings uncovered another man's body hair.
And that the young woman arrived at her rape exam wearing underwear containing semen that was not Bryant's.
In a later defense filing, Bryant attorney Hal Haddon argued that the soiled underwear "compellingly suggests" another sexual encounter after Bryant and before the rape exam 18 hours later.

A prosecution spokeswoman, Krista Flannigan, did not immediately return a call. John Clune, the woman's attorney, declined comment.

The far more likely scenario is that she had sex with Kobe with full consent and then told about it to her friends and got the idea to go to court after in order to get money out of him.

[SouBeachTalents]

People should remember, that this is a guy who said that he would rape a little girl, if he had beef with her father.
He's a deeply disturbed individual.

[PeroAntic]

The rape part doesn't bother me.

This place becoming more nazi by the day smh

[RRR3]

This place becoming more nazi by the day smh
Happens when you have an admin who refuses to deal with it. Just disgraceful.

[ImKobe]

" First, she confessed she concocted a bogus excuse for why she was late to work the night she met Bryant at the Lodge & Spa at Cordillera in June 2003. Although she told Detective Doug Winters she had car trouble, "in all reality, I simply overslept," she said, adding she didn't want to get in trouble with her boss at the hotel. More importantly, she disclosed she also made up her claim that after they had sex, Bryant forced her to stay in the room and wash her face. "While I was held against my will in that room, I was not forced to wash my face . . . Instead I stopped at the mirror by the elevator on that floor to clean my face up," she wrote. "While there is no excuse for that mixup, I said what I said because I felt that Detective Winters did not believe what had happened to me," she added. "In reporting this crime one of my fears was that I would not be believed.

" The accuser had the opportunity to correct her lie a couple of months after she told it, when a prosecution investigator reinterviewed her. But she didn't. "Why did you wash your face before leaving the room?

" the investigator asked. "I was crying. I had mascara on my face," she answered. She didn't set the record straight until a few weeks before Bryant was set to go to trial when she wrote the letter - which was among 625 pages of documents unsealed yesterday. Had the case gone to trial, the discrepancy in her account would have been powerful ammunition for the defense to attack the woman's credibility on the witness stand. But at

The more you go into the details the more full of shit this person is.

[Phoenix]

The rape part doesn't bother me. The part that might complicatea his legacy is the fact that he was so scared to the point that he snitched on Shaq. So he's like the rest of us after all. All the "mamba mentality" stuff is just a facade.

Can you expand on what you mean by this, please? I'm trying to understand in what context this would not be an incredibly disturbing and psychotic line of thinking. Like, how do you even type something like that in such a casual, matter of fact manner?

[RRR3]

Can you expand on what you mean by this, please? I'm trying to understand in what context this would not be an incredibly disturbing line of thinking.
He is either a legitimate psychopath or he thinks it's funny to troll by saying stuff like this. Don't engage.

[SouBeachTalents]

He is either a legitimate psychopath or he thinks it's funny to troll by saying stuff like this. Don't engage.
This is the part I still can't decide on. I guess I'm just hopeful he's trolling, but he's been so persistent with this gimmick, he very well may believe it.

Huge fakkit either way.

[1987_Lakers]

People shit on D-Lo snitching on Young, but Kobe was the first to do it with Shaq in those police interviews :oldlol:


As for the rape, none of us know what really went down, we could only speculate. I agree with the poster who said if it was Tupac and Mike Tyson he would have been thrown in jail. And Kobe's case against him seemed stronger than Tyson & Pac.

[tpols]

People shit on D-Lo snitching on Young, but Kobe was the first to do it with Shaq in those police interviews :oldlol:


As for the rape, none of us know what really went down, we could only speculate. I agree with the poster who said if it was Tupac and Mike Tyson he would have been thrown in jail. And Kobe's case against him seemed stronger than Tyson & Pac.


Tupac didn't even do it. His friends did and they pinned it on him.

[ImKobe]

People shit on D-Lo snitching on Young, but Kobe was the first to do it with Shaq in those police interviews :oldlol:


As for the rape, none of us know what really went down, we could only speculate. I agree with the poster who said if it was Tupac and Mike Tyson he would have been thrown in jail. And Kobe's case against him seemed stronger than Tyson & Pac.

He didn't do it in the interview, he did it privately after the interview had been finished, so this was something that Kobe said in a private conversation that they leaked afterwards just to put more pressure on him.


Much of Bryant’s 75-minute interview was tape-recorded, but Det. Doug Winters wrote that the reference to O’Neal came after his partner, Det. Dan Loya, had turned off the recorder.

The incident report, a portion of which was reviewed by the Los Angeles Times, is part of the sealed file in the criminal case that was brought against Bryant last year and dropped this month. A Colorado judge has a motion before him to unseal documents from the case.

“Bryant made a comment to us about what another teammate does in situations like these,” Winters wrote. “Bryant stated he should have done what Shaq (Shaquille O’Neal) does. Bryant stated that Shaq would pay his women not to say anything. He stated Shaq has paid up to a million dollars already for situations like this. He stated he, Bryant, treats a woman with respect, therefore they shouldn’t say anything.”

In a closed court proceeding before the felony charge was dropped, Bryant’s attorneys fought successfully to have the reference to O’Neal declared inadmissible at trial, according to a prosecution source.

[MrFonzworth]

The rape part doesn't bother me. The part that might complicatea his legacy is the fact that he was so scared to the point that he snitched on Shaq. So he's like the rest of us after all. All the "mamba mentality" stuff is just a facade.

:roll::roll::roll:

[ArbitraryWater]

iamgine is known to make statements like this, no need to get riled up :lol

[ArbitraryWater]

That's stupid. It's far more likely that she lied about the rape because she had sex again right after instead of going to the police first. Also the quote in OP says she was choked and he would tighten his hold every time she said "no".



So make this make sense. She was "raped" by Kobe and then went on to have sex and didn't go to the police until the following day? She then also brags about having sex with Kobe and describes his ***** to random people at a party?



The far more likely scenario is that she had sex with Kobe with full consent and then told about it to her friends and got the idea to go to court after in order to get money out of him.


Bro you act like rape doesnt have a massive psychological impact on a person :lol

exactly, "tighten his hold", he made sure she wouldnt try anything, he didnt quite nearly kill her lol. Its psychological. He restrained her.



It's far more likely that she lied about the rape because she had sex again right after instead of going to the police first.

There is no ogic to this.

Because she had sex in succession, she all of a sudden had the idea to accuse the first sex partner?

[Stephonit]

Bro you act like rape doesnt have a massive psychological impact on a person :lol

exactly, "tighten his hold", he made sure she wouldnt try anything, he didnt quite nearly kill her lol. Its psychological. He restrained her.

There is no ogic to this.

Because she had sex in succession, she all of a sudden had the idea to accuse the first sex partner?

When I hear "rape" I think of the classic case of bloodthirsty invading barbarians plundering and pillaging a settlement and befouling the women after killing all the men. In other words it should be pretty obvious the women weren't looking for it.

That there has been a campaign that has tried to call all the marginal cases "rape" has predictably invited a backlash and just as predictably in this last election we saw that in a contest between womens' interests and that of men, men are going to win.

[ArbitraryWater]

When I hear "rape" I think of the classic case of bloodthirsty invading barbarians plundering and pillaging a settlement and befouling the women after killing all the men. In other words it should be pretty obvious the women weren't looking for it.

That there has been a campaign that has tried to call all the marginal cases "rape" has predictably invited a backlash and just as predictably in this last election we saw that in a contest between womens' interests and that of men, men are going to win.


Um, rape is still rape just because no real force was exerted lol.

I know a girl that was raped, and the sex was normal. She was awestruck at that moment. They were cuddling, she said no several times, he entered her anyway, and she froze.

Not every rape is a stranger falling over you and pulling you into a dark alley to your screams. Thats not how rapes will be between people that know each other or talked normally before.

The degrees of damage definitely vary, but its still rape.

And Kobes case was def worse if true than what my friend experienced.

Basically:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-yUafzOXHPE&ab_channel=t91

[Stephonit]

Oh and how are we as outside observers supposed to know?

Well we could just do what people used to do in the past and what people in conservative societies still do today: presume anytime a woman is alone with a man something is going on. There should always be a chaperone. The womens' liberation people going to just love that!

They want the freedom but don't want the responsibility. That's often what becomes apparent in many "equal rights" cases. The girls dressed like hookers but they weren't asking for it. Uh huh. They're sleeping with the guy regularly but this time it was rape—and she still slept with him again afterward. Uh huh.

[iamgine]

Can you expand on what you mean by this, please? I'm trying to understand in what context this would not be an incredibly disturbing and psychotic line of thinking. Like, how do you even type something like that in such a casual, matter of fact manner?

Well, for one, the 'victim' is so far from being credible it's laughable.

[ShawkFactory]

When I hear "rape" I think of the classic case of bloodthirsty invading barbarians plundering and pillaging a settlement and befouling the women after killing all the men. In other words it should be pretty obvious the women weren't looking for it.

That there has been a campaign that has tried to call all the marginal cases "rape" has predictably invited a backlash and just as predictably in this last election we saw that in a contest between womens' interests and that of men, men are going to win.

That’s a you problem.

[ArbitraryWater]

Oh and how are we as outside observers supposed to know?

Well we could just do what people used to do in the past and what people in conservative societies still do today: presume anytime a woman is alone with a man something is going on. There should always be a chaperone. The womens' liberation people going to just love that!

They want the freedom but don't want the responsibility. That's often what becomes apparent in many "equal rights" cases. The girls dressed like hookers but they weren't asking for it. Uh huh. They're sleeping with the guy regularly but this time it was rape—and she still slept with him again afterward. Uh huh.

I agree with you there.

Dont see the reason for her to be in his hotel room, but didnt he call her up there? Its her job after all. Its Kobe, youre intrigued... you can still say no.

Some girls just wanna cuddle sometimes, and if theyre open about it(as silly as it is), then thats also not consenting to sex.

As Wally said, Kobe made himself sound pretty guilty.

[Stephonit]

That’s a you problem.

I fail to see why. On the other hand trying to paint others as having a problem for seeing it that way seems to have backfired and gotten Mr. Orange Hair a second term.

[jstern]

iamgine is known to make statements like this, no need to get riled up :lol

So you're ok with a guy 'joking' about raping kids? No normal guy does that. There are probably tens of thousands of rapists or would be rapist in the human population. This is not a rare thing in humanity, where one would assume that if a person says the things he says he's just joking.

I once saw an image of a child rapist decapitated by another prisoner in jail. And society ended and there were no laws, that's what should happen to such people, joking or not. Else you're complicit.

[ImKobe]

Bro you act like rape doesnt have a massive psychological impact on a person :lol

exactly, "tighten his hold", he made sure she wouldnt try anything, he didnt quite nearly kill her lol. Its psychological. He restrained her.




There is no ogic to this.

Because she had sex in succession, she all of a sudden had the idea to accuse the first sex partner?

It does, which is why sex after just being violated is pretty damn unlikely unless there's drugs & alcohol involved. You think it's more likely she wasn't raped if she had sex before KB which makes no sense.

The amount of lies she told about the incident is what made her look like the bad person in the eyes of the public and why Kobe was able to redeem his image. Now everyone wants to act morally superior online and take away everything KB did because he was accused once and never proven quilty.

[ShawkFactory]

I fail to see why. On the other hand trying to paint others as having a problem for seeing it that way seems to have backfired and gotten Mr. Orange Hair a second term.

Peoples views on rape aren’t what got Trump elected.

[ArbitraryWater]

It does, which is why sex after just being violated is pretty damn unlikely unless there's drugs & alcohol involved. You think it's more likely she wasn't raped if she had sex before KB which makes no sense.

The amount of lies she told about the incident is what made her look like the bad person in the eyes of the public and why Kobe was able to redeem his image. Now everyone wants to act morally superior online and take away everything KB did because he was accused once and never proven quilty.


Im not doing any of that, its just you whos dismissing her entirely, acting like you know what happened.

[1987_Lakers]

He didn't do it in the interview, he did it privately after the interview had been finished, so this was something that Kobe said in a private conversation that they leaked afterwards just to put more pressure on him.

I don't care where he did it, he still snitched. Folded under pressure. "Mamba mentality" :lol

[Phoenix]

Well, for one, the 'victim' is so far from being credible it's laughable.

So you're questioning as to whether or not she actually was raped? Or to be more specific, the story that he 'put his hands around her throat'.....if that part of the story is true, are you ok with thatt? Just curious...

[ImKobe]

Im not doing any of that, its just you whos dismissing her entirely, acting like you know what happened.

There's too many lies on her end. Kobe made mistakes and was still a POS for cheating on his wife and making her go through that scandal but he's not a rapist, just an idiot who couldn't control his urges.

[Soundwave]

I think honestly what happened is she consented and was interested in sex with him and gave him signals but it turned out that he was interested like porn star sex and the experience was rougher than she thought and left her cold.

It wasn't glamorous at all like she thought sleeping with a celebrity would be and she felt used. Meanwhile Kobe is thinking he had the green light to go to town like he was doing with his other mistress, who probably was down for just about anything (lol). Neither party properly communicated what they wanted. She didn't say anything and he went ahead, but they weren't on the same page.

[Soundwave]

There's too many lies on her end. Kobe made mistakes and was still a POS for cheating on his wife and making her go through that scandal but he's not a rapist, just an idiot who couldn't control his urges.

Lets be honest, virtually all of these pro athletes have women on the side outside of their marriage.

A man is going to be as faithful as his options, pro athletes/movie stars/musicians just have way more options than Joe Average.