The trade war with Canada and Mexico begins on Monday. They'll both be hit hard

[Media Moderator]

Trump was able to bully Mexico and Canada last time he was president to get a lot of concessions he wanted from them with trade war threats. And why shouldn't he? Our trade favors Mexico and Canada more than it does us. Looks like he's pulling out the old playbook again.

Canada and the US will likely work things out quickly before or during the weekend. Mexico seems like they might put pride before reason this time. But they are much more vulnerable this time around. There's an article in the WSJ on how Mexico by far has the most to lose. Over 25% of their GDP are exports to the US. And almost 5% of their GDP are remittances from the US and Trump has indicated he'd like to go after that as well. To make matters worse for Mexico, their GDP shrank last quarter, and may shrink again this quarter with or without the tariffs. Things could get very ugly for Mexico and their new president soon.

[BurningHammer]

Remember when Trump lost the tariff war against China in 2018? :oldlol:

[Media Moderator]

Remember when Trump lost the tariff war against China in 2018? :oldlol:

Really. Then why did Biden keep all the tariffs Trump slapped on China and the trade deficit with China today is the lowest it's been in almost 15 years? It would be even narrower but China relaxed when Trump didn't get reelected in 2020.

In any case Mexico isn't China. The US can weather a trade war with Mexico, Mexico is so dependent on the US it will cripple their economy if they think they are going to go toe to toe with the US. The fact that their economy isn't great at the moment makes their position even weaker

[StickyWice]

Very good. Expensive for a little bit but they treat America even in future. I come to America to be top, not treat like Mexican.

[TheMan]

Trump was able to bully Mexico and Canada last time he was president to get a lot of concessions he wanted from them with trade war threats. And why shouldn't he? Our trade favors Mexico and Canada more than it does us. Looks like he's pulling out the old playbook again.

Canada and the US will likely work things out quickly before or during the weekend. Mexico seems like they might put pride before reason this time. But they are much more vulnerable this time around. There's an article in the WSJ on how Mexico by far has the most to lose. Over 25% of their GDP are exports to the US. And almost 5% of their GDP are remittances from the US and Trump has indicated he'd like to go after that as well. To make matters worse for Mexico, their GDP shrank last quarter, and may shrink again this quarter with or without the tariffs. Things could get very ugly for Mexico and their new president soon.

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I keep hearing that Mexico caved in last time, but you never gave me any specifics besides Mexico paying for that imaginary wall Trump promised Mexico was gonna pay for :roll: Immigrant caravans originating in Central America are still reaching the US border and the drug flow still strong, your millions of addicts can thank us haha...

Anyways Mexican president Sheinbaum has already said Mexico will slap tariffs on to American imported goods in retaliation, Mexico is only slightly behind Canada as the US biggest buyer of American exported goods. Mexicans are used to hardship, gringos aren't...let's do this! :lol

BTW if Mexico and Canada both slap tariffs on US goods, y'all done but the question is if the Canadians don't chicken out, either way let's rumble gringo.

[TheMan]

Very good. Expensive for a little bit but they treat America even in future. I come to America to be top, not treat like Mexican.

Replying to your own OP is pretty pathetic :oldlol:

[StickyWice]

Replying to your own OP is pretty pathetic :oldlol:


Who you? Go back where you from

[Patrick Chewing]

Who you? Go back where you from

:oldlol:

[BurningHammer]

:oldlol:

Replying your own post :roll:

[TheMan]

Replying your own post :roll:

:oldlol:

[Media Moderator]

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Anyways Mexican president Sheinbaum has already said Mexico will slap tariffs on to American imported goods in retaliation, Mexico is only slightly behind Canada as the US biggest buyer of American exported goods. Mexicans are used to hardship, gringos aren't...let's do this! :lol



No they aren't. They run to the gringos in Daddy USA if they don't want to stay and Make Mexico Great Aga...err One Day. Hell they run to the gringos to run their country because their own people are worthless and corrupt. The new president doesn't have an ounce of Mexican indigenous blood.

Mexico will have problems this year with or without the tariffs. Moodys changed Mexico's outlook from stable to negative in December. It's expected Mexico will lose it's investment grade rating this year with or without the tariffs resulting in an extra 4 billion dollars in servicing costs. I'm hoping this this doesn't happen because Mexicans tend to be mentally weak, they will flee their country if times get too hard and it will put tremendous pressure on our border

In case Mexico has forgotten, the best thing to ever happen to it is being neighbors with the USA. I guess they need a reminder. Ungrateful bastards

[StickyWice]

https://y.yarn.co/86d0c268-8618-4cdb-b118-5e14be6e61c8_text.gif

I keep hearing that Mexico caved in last time, but you never gave me any specifics besides Mexico paying for that imaginary wall Trump promised Mexico was gonna pay for :roll: Immigrant caravans originating in Central America are still reaching the US border and the drug flow still strong, your millions of addicts can thank us haha...

Anyways Mexican president Sheinbaum has already said Mexico will slap tariffs on to American imported goods in retaliation, Mexico is only slightly behind Canada as the US biggest buyer of American exported goods. Mexicans are used to hardship, gringos aren't...let's do this! :lol

BTW if Mexico and Canada both slap tariffs on US goods, y'all done but the question is if the Canadians don't chicken out, either way let's rumble gringo.

He say Mexican use to hardship but they all cross border when bean supply low Haha very low tolerant on hard.

Mexico weak, no trade partner no produce. We buy everything elsewhere. Company come back to USA. Enjoy low gdp next four year.
don’t come here illegally ok? Wait turn like me. Illegal cross is not legal in case you not know. Meaning all here illegally break law and have to go

[Patrick Chewing]

Replying your own post :roll:

Go watch wrestling you dork

[StickyWice]

Go watch wrestling you dork


I no understand why peepol watch fake wrestling when real wrestling already available? That like watching cartoon nba when real nba game with real peepol on different chanol

[TheMan]

No they aren't. They run to the gringos in Daddy USA if they don't want to stay and Make Mexico Great Aga...err One Day. Hell they run to the gringos to run their country because their own people are worthless and corrupt. The new president doesn't have an ounce of Mexican indigenous blood.

Mexico will have problems this year with or without the tariffs. Moodys changed Mexico's outlook from stable to negative in December. It's expected Mexico will lose it's investment grade rating this year with or without the tariffs resulting in an extra 4 billion dollars in servicing costs. I'm hoping this this doesn't happen because Mexicans tend to be mentally weak, they will flee their country if times get too hard and it will put tremendous pressure on our border

In case Mexico has forgotten, the best thing to ever happen to it is being neighbors with the USA. I guess they need a reminder. Ungrateful bastards
https://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/yawn-50.gif
Sheinbaum not having any indigenous blood doesn't matter, we've had numerous presidents like that before, including Trump hater Vicente Fox, we're multicultural, why even point that out?

American products in Mexico are more expensive, they're in large part luxury items per sé, we have domestic and foreign alternatives, Mexicans will actually save if they avoid American products with tariffs slapped on them, you guys OTOH buy Mexican products to save money so you'll end up spending more lol. The US imports a lot of cheaper fruits and veggies from Mexico, that's gonna go up, car parts, meats, chemicals, natural resources etc, that's gonna drive up the cost on a ton of different products you guys buy. Trump got into the White House promising to make everything cheaper, prepare thy anuses because this trade war will make things a whole lot more expensive. Americans are fickle, they'll turn on Trump so fast your head will spin and the Democrats will come roaring back in '26. Mexico is the world's 13th strongest economy, they ain't pushovers, y'all about to feel some pain too. Bring it on, puto :lol

[TheMan]

Just to add, our previous presidents from the neoliberal PRI and PAN were pushovers to their American overlords for various reasons (mostly because they were in their pockets). That shit changed with our previous leftist president, Lopez Obrador and his hand picked successor Claudia Sheinbaum is right along with that mindset. You want a trade war? You got one, not only with us but with Canada and China, you're gonna lose, EVERYTHING 'bout to get a lot more expensive :roll:

Talk down here amongst pols is that this is the perfect opportunity to forge trade alliances with Europe, Brazil, Argentina and specifically, China and move away from the Yanks. I'm all for it, we have tons of Chinese cars down here and they're moving Chinese plants here, and that irks American diplomats.

Nos vamos a los chingadazos, pues dale cabron

[TheMan]

He say Mexican use to hardship but they all cross border when bean supply low Haha very low tolerant on hard.

Mexico weak, no trade partner no produce. We buy everything elsewhere. Company come back to USA. Enjoy low gdp next four year.
don’t come here illegally ok? Wait turn like me. Illegal cross is not legal in case you not know. Meaning all here illegally break law and have to go

Since the early 2000s, more Mexicans have gone back than gone to the US, Google is more than just for porn, homie. All these caravans going back years are mostly Central and South Americans with a few Haitians and Africans mixed in.

[Media Moderator]

https://gifsec.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/yawn-50.gif
Sheinbaum not having any indigenous blood doesn't matter, we've had numerous presidents like that before, including Trump hater Vicente Fox, we're multicultural, why even point that out?

American products in Mexico are more expensive, they're in large part luxury items per sé, we have domestic and foreign alternatives, Mexicans will actually save if they avoid American products with tariffs slapped on them, you guys OTOH buy Mexican products to save money so you'll end up spending more lol. The US imports a lot of cheaper fruits and veggies from Mexico, that's gonna go up, car parts, meats, chemicals, natural resources etc, that's gonna drive up the cost on a ton of different products you guys buy. Trump got into the White House promising to make everything cheaper, prepare thy anuses because this trade war will make things a whole lot more expensive. Americans are fickle, they'll turn on Trump so fast your head will spin and the Democrats will come roaring back in '26. Mexico is the world's 13th strongest economy, they ain't pushovers, y'all about to feel some pain too. Bring it on, puto :lol

You're the one who brought it up with the "gringo" talk. I think you meant to use the term "gabacho" meaning outsider or someone from the US. You don't even know how to implement your own language :oldlol:

Bad for the corporations, not necessarily bad for Americans because it will just mean more jobs here manufacturing vehicles

It's the 15th largest economy. 6% of our GDP.

Mexico isn't an attractive market for most things around the world. The engineering and intellectual property almost all comes from the US. And even if it was in house, Asia can build most stuff cheaper and better than Mexico. So our fruits and veggies will get more expensive. It will open up more opportunities for our homegrown ranchers who have been priced out by cheaper Mexican produce. We can always do more trade with other countries. We'll make some other shit hole country south of us our new trading partner. The US is unique, there's very few things special about Mexico they can do on their own we can't have done somewhere else

[TheMan]

You're the one who brought it up with the "gringo" talk. I think you meant to use the term "gabacho" meaning outsider or someone from the US. You don't even know how to implement your own language :oldlol:

Bad for the corporations, not necessarily bad for Americans because it will just mean more jobs here manufacturing vehicles

It's the 15th largest economy. 6% of our GDP.

Mexico isn't an attractive market for most things around the world. The engineering and intellectual property almost all comes from the US. And even if it was in house, Asia can build most stuff cheaper and better than Mexico. So our fruits and veggies will get more expensive. It will open up more opportunities for our homegrown ranchers who have been priced out by cheaper Mexican produce. We can always do more trade with other countries. We'll make some other shit hole country south of us our new trading partner. The US is unique, there's very few things special about Mexico they can do on their own we can't have done somewhere else
OK, keep telling yourself that...and you've yet to tell me what concessions Trump got from Mexico last time around, stop avoiding my question. This trade war will hurt all 3 countries economies only that Americans are especially fickle, Biden's presidency was crippled by inflation that wasn't as bad as most countries, mid terms come around next year, Trump isn't running again but spineless Democrats can run on high prices just like the GOP did.

Gringo and gabacho mean the same shit.

[MMM]

The trade war will send the global economy into recession and long term i think China and the EU would be winner. I dont see why these tariffs are worth the risk of strengthening China

[Media Moderator]

Gringo and gabacho mean the same shit.

They can mean the same thing if you are talking specifically about a white American but gringo is geared toward race, gabacho is geared toward nationality. I'm not sure why I'm having to explain Spanish, especially Mexican Spanish, to a Mexican :oldlol:

[StickyWice]

They can mean the same thing if you are talking specifically about a white American but gringo is geared toward race, gabacho is geared toward nationality. I'm not sure why I'm having to explain Spanish, especially Mexican Spanish, to a Mexican :oldlol:

Because they low iq. Not smart, labor good though

[highwhey]

The trade war will send the global economy into recession and long term i think China and the EU would be winner. I dont see why these tariffs are worth the risk of strengthening China

because trump doesn't think, that's why

[Neal Romer]

The trade war will send the global economy into recession and long term i think China and the EU would be winner. I dont see why these tariffs are worth the risk of strengthening China

No, you have it backward.

The US has resources. So does China but they have three times the people to divide them between. Theyre also not a serious global military threat. Theyre big enough to put up a fight for Taiwan or in whatever regional conflict, but they do not have the global military capacity of the US.

This is the advantage of the big stack. You can keep raising the ante with less risk than your opponent. It's how the north won the civil war. Keep dragging it out til the side with fewer resources folds. The US can do its own tariff things straight up, and can threaten other countries with its military if they trade with our rivals in terms unfavorable to us.

Also a lot of deception exists in conflict. Some of the third party countries that appear to be at odds with the US, probably arent really.

The US has had the hegemony due to its technological leading edge for decades. But other countries can/will catch up to that and thats the serious threat. It wont lead to utopia, it leads to rivalry, uncertainty, instability and danger. The US has to maintain the relative lead over others even if it means making sacrifices to the economy in gross numbers. Or else then we could find ourselves in serious trouble vis-a-vis China and other emerging technological powers.

[TheMan]

No, you have it backward.

The US has resources. So does China but they have three times the people to divide them between. Theyre also not a serious global military threat. Theyre big enough to put up a fight for Taiwan or in whatever regional conflict, but they do not have the global military capacity of the US.

This is the advantage of the big stack. You can keep raising the ante with less risk than your opponent. It's how the north won the civil war. Keep dragging it out til the side with fewer resources folds. The US can do its own tariff things straight up, and can threaten other countries with its military if they trade with our rivals in terms unfavorable to us.

Also a lot of deception exists in conflict. Some of the third party countries that appear to be at odds with the US, probably arent really.

The US has had the hegemony due to its technological leading edge for decades. But other countries can/will catch up to that and thats the serious threat. It wont lead to utopia, it leads to rivalry, uncertainty, instability and danger. The US has to maintain the relative lead over others even if it means making sacrifices to the economy in gross numbers. Or else then we could find ourselves in serious trouble vis-a-vis China and other emerging technological powers.

:roll:

[highwhey]

No, you have it backward.

The US has resources. So does China but they have three times the people to divide them between. Theyre also not a serious global military threat. Theyre big enough to put up a fight for Taiwan or in whatever regional conflict, but they do not have the global military capacity of the US.

This is the advantage of the big stack. You can keep raising the ante with less risk than your opponent. It's how the north won the civil war. Keep dragging it out til the side with fewer resources folds. The US can do its own tariff things straight up, and can threaten other countries with its military if they trade with our rivals in terms unfavorable to us.

Also a lot of deception exists in conflict. Some of the third party countries that appear to be at odds with the US, probably arent really.

The US has had the hegemony due to its technological leading edge for decades. But other countries can/will catch up to that and thats the serious threat. It wont lead to utopia, it leads to rivalry, uncertainty, instability and danger. The US has to maintain the relative lead over others even if it means making sacrifices to the economy in gross numbers. Or else then we could find ourselves in serious trouble vis-a-vis China and other emerging technological powers.

this is some of the dumbest sh1t i have ever read on this forum, and i've read some sh1t.

[Neal Romer]

TheMan


highwhey


:roll:


Literally :roll:

[StickyWice]

:roll:


Literally :roll:

Are both Mexican? Because both low iq poster


Before COVID-19, more Mexicans came to the U.S. than left for Mexico for the first time in years


More Mexican migrants came to the United States than left the U.S. for Mexico between 2013 and 2018 – a reversal of the trend in much of the prior decade, according to a new Pew Research Center analysis of the most recently available data capturing migration flows from both countries.
https://www.pewresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/20/2021/07/ft_2021.07.09_mexicomigration_01.png?resize=768,98 9

See when tough come Mexican pack freeholays and bags

[diamenz]

canada and mexico i'm not worried about - it's china that should be the concern going into this. russia has already demonstrated that they can survive and even thrive with a major war going on with the sanctions that we've hit them with over the past four years. there's no reason to believe china would be any different - they'll turn to the same alternate trade routes that russia did and weather the storm while americans get taxed... because that's what a tariff is afterall - a tax on the consumer. i shouldn't play petty politics but funny how conservatives are okay raising taxes all of a sudden.

...the folk that sent trump over the top in november aren't going like this if the effect is significant enough. they wanted an end to bidenomics and more $ in their pocket. this ain't it.

[warriorfan]

canada and mexico i'm not worried about - it's china that should be the concern going into this. russia has already demonstrated that they can survive and even thrive with a major war going on with the sanctions that we've hit them with over the past four years. there's no reason to believe china would be any different - they'll turn to the same alternate trade routes that russia did and weather the storm while americans get taxed... because that's what a tariff is afterall - a tax on the consumer. i shouldn't play petty politics but funny how conservatives are okay raising taxes all of a sudden.

...the folk that sent trump over the top in november aren't going like this if the effect is significant enough. they wanted an end to bidenomics and more $ in their pocket. this ain't it.

Well I think the main difference is that something is trying to be accomplished out of the tariff (you can still argue the effectiveness) rather than money being wasted by inefficient government programs like in the latter example you gave.

[diamenz]

Well I think the main difference is that something is trying to be accomplished out of the tariff (you can still argue the effectiveness) rather than money being wasted by inefficient government programs like in the latter example you gave.

that's a fair point. although if anything, i'd argue that they should carry over that consistency to topics like health care if they want something with a sure-fire return on investment as opposed to a high gamble with these tariffs.

and to be fair there are a handful of right-wingers here that are open to that idea but they're few and far between the majority. but again, point taken.

[Jasper]

looks like trumpsters are willing to pay more for their vehicles now that they are made in Mexico and canada...

gezz thanks.

dump fvcks

[j3lademaster]

The trade war will send the global economy into recession and long term i think China and the EU would be winner. I dont see why these tariffs are worth the risk of strengthening China

Especially since the US will be dealing with a domestic trade war as well, as corporations have a bidding war over who gets the duty free trade rights from the tariffs.

[Media Moderator]

Cats out of the bag I guess. Trump just said the 10,000 soldiers are there to stop migrant flow as well as drugs. I bet Sheinbaum is pissed. Pretty sure he was supposed to stick to the script of they are there just to stop fentanyl. A concession from the US is that we will be aggressive in stopping our guns from reaching Mexico. The cartels can always get the Chinese AKs for about 20% the cost of our AR-15s anyways.

[TheMan]

Cats out of the bag I guess. Trump just said the 10,000 soldiers are there to stop migrant flow as well as drugs. I bet Sheinbaum is pissed. Pretty sure he was supposed to stick to the script of they are there just to stop fentanyl. A concession from the US is that we will be aggressive in stopping our guns from reaching Mexico. The cartels can always get the Chinese AKs for about 20% the cost of our AR-15s anyways.
:roll:

[Media Moderator]

:roll:

You've been melting down pretty hard lately. You going to be ok amigo? Don't get all bent out of shape. We both know Mexico is our bitch and will continue to be our bitch forever and ever

[TeflonDonTrump]

You've been melting down pretty hard lately. You going to be ok amigo? Don't get all bent out of shape. We both know Mexico is our bitch and will continue to be our bitch forever and ever

he's trying very hard to justify a win for the meixcanos

[TheMan]

You've been melting down pretty hard lately. You going to be ok amigo? Don't get all bent out of shape. We both know Mexico is our bitch and will continue to be our bitch forever and ever

I know you're bootlicking your orange overlord, I'm just having fun pushing back on your BS spin :confusedshrug:

I'm not the one shitposting on all your alts, shook af about Mexico.

[TheMan]

he's trying very hard to justify a win for the meixcanos

Another one of your alts...pathetic :lol

[TeflonDonTrump]

Looks like canada is scared and backed off like mexico

[BurningHammer]

Looks like canada is scared and backed off like mexico

More like Trump didn't know the $1.3B border plan has already been there since December 2024. :oldlol:

[highwhey]

trump got cvcked HARD https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sabu.png

[j3lademaster]

trump got cvcked HARD https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/sabu.png

Americans getting cucked hard. Trump has never been richer, not by a long shot.

[highwhey]

Americans getting cucked hard. Trump has never been richer, not by a long shot.

yeah China has AI supremacy right now and we all know whoever gets ASI first will win

[StickyWice]

USA have Mexico line border with beans! Mexico pay for human border for no cost. Human cost nothing in beanville, disposable is why govt let cartel be

[Media Moderator]

Americans getting cucked hard. Trump has never been richer, not by a long shot.

What? Lol

Trump was crazy rich 30 years before he was elected. Obama was a community organizer and a senator for only 18 months when he was elected. He left office with a 1.3 million net worth. He's worth 70 mil today. Al Gore left office with a 1.7 mil networth. That f*cker is worth 320 million today. Those 2 cats are way more suspicious

[n00bie]

Looks like canada is scared and backed off like mexico

Actually looks more like Trump got scared of the overwhelming response from the world. He thought he could tariff the whole world without any consequences. He was wrong and backed down lol.

[Media Moderator]

Actually looks more like Trump got scared of the overwhelming response from the world. He thought he could tariff the whole world without any consequences. He was wrong and backed down lol.

From the very beginning when did he ask for anything other than border security as his initial concession? It's what his legacy will be built on. There's a deficit between the US and Canada and Mexico so they had better find another way to make themselves valuable. Mexico now has nearly as many troops staged on the border as the US does. Trump wants that migrant traffic shut down to a trickle

But this is just the initial concession. I'm pretty there will be more. One thing is for sure. The Mexican president won't be playing stupid games with our deportation efforts any more. It also serves as warning shot to any US companies thinking of relocating to Mexico soon.


President Trump's high-stakes confrontation with the United States' closest trading partners appears to have paid off, with both Mexico and Canada agreeing to stricter border security and taking bigger steps to address fentanyl trafficking.

The strategy to leverage the US economy to force concessions from other countries notches a win for Trump's "America first" agenda, allowing him to follow through on core domestic issues without American consumers feeling the sting of the economic consequences of a continental trade war.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c805jjk2klko

[j3lademaster]

What? Lol

Trump was crazy rich 30 years before he was elected. Obama was a community organizer and a senator for only 18 months when he was elected. He left office with a 1.3 million net worth. He's worth 70 mil today. Al Gore left office with a 1.7 mil networth. That f*cker is worth 320 million today. Those 2 cats are way more suspicious
Fine, I take back my post. Trump got cvcked. Is that better?

I mean what is it that you people want? You want this narrative that Bezos and Zuckerberg are bending the knee and handing him money, but you’re also triggered when someone says he’s become richer than ever before?

[Hey Yo]

Americans getting cucked hard. Trump has never been richer, not by a long shot.

Your not an American citizen, Asian boy?

[highwhey]

Your not an American citizen, Asian boy?

are you OK?

[j3lademaster]

Your not an American citizen, Asian boy?

Imagine how dumb and racist you have to be to think “Asian boy” is a valid insult.

[highwhey]

https://i.redd.it/wzt0450rf4he1.png

:roll:

[Hey Yo]

Imagine how dumb and racist you have to be to think “Asian boy” is a valid insult.

Safe to say that's a no.... so since you're not an American citizen, your opinion on U.S politics doesn't mean jack shit.

[Media Moderator]

https://i.redd.it/wzt0450rf4he1.png

:roll:

Imagine being this stupid to believe that meme :roll:

Canada and Mexico offered up nothing. Trump told them what they were going to do and they did it. Trump gave up nothing other than a threat to make up for the deficit. And this is just what he wants right now to hold off on tariffs.

[StickyWice]

Imagine being this stupid to believe that meme :roll:

Canada and Mexico offered up nothing. Trump told them what they were going to do and they did it. Trump gave up nothing other than a threat to make up for the deficit. And this is just what he wants right now to hold off on tariffs.

Mexico do what USA say always. They the pooper of America. That way all south America walk past mexico to come. Now they trap LOL

[RRR3]

Hey D’oh and Media Predator having absolute meltdowns anytime someone dares criticize their dear leader :lol

[BurningHammer]

Imagine being this stupid to believe that meme :roll:

Canada and Mexico offered up nothing. Trump told them what they were going to do and they did it. Trump gave up nothing other than a threat to make up for the deficit. And this is just what he wants right now to hold off on tariffs.

They why what Trump told them what they were going to do are exactly the same as what both Canada and Mexico had already done months to years ago? :confusedshrug:

[BurningHammer]

Safe to say that's a no.... so since you're not an American citizen, your opinion on U.S politics doesn't mean jack shit.

How do we know you actually are American? :confusedshrug:

[j3lademaster]

Safe to say that's a no.... so since you're not an American citizen, your opinion on U.S politics doesn't mean jack shit.

I am a citizen. Do you think that’s a flex? There are literally 1/3 of a billion of us, it doesn’t make any of us special. Some of us try to aim higher than simply being born in the US… you know try to accomplish a bit more than that. And yes, grocery prices affect me too, never have I ever said I was immune to negative economic effects, I’m not a centimillionaire.

My wife is an aussie citizen, full on shrimp on the bar-bae when she speaks, and I listen to kpop sometimes when I run. There, now you have ammunition. Hopefully you can come with something halfway clever. I won’t hold my breath though.

[TheMan]

Hey D’oh and Media Predator having absolute meltdowns anytime someone dares criticize their dear leader :lol

The fact he's always trying to convince everyone that Trump didn't fold is pretty telling :oldlol: The night before the tariffs were set to begin, Trump told reporters in the Oval Office that there wasn't anything Mexico or Canada could do to stop them, then he called Sheinbaum early the next day before she was set to officially smack tariffs on US goods :roll: Plus she got him to commit to stopping the flow of US weapons into Mexico.

But she bent the knee lmao Both countries made concessions but MAGA live in an alternate universe.

[Media Moderator]

Trump told reporters in the Oval Office that there wasn't anything Mexico or Canada could do to stop them, then he called Sheinbaum early the next day before she was set to officially smack tariffs on US goods :roll: Plus she got him to commit to stopping the flow of US weapons into Mexico.

But she bent the knee lmao Both countries made concessions but MAGA live in an alternate universe.

Revisionist history. He wanted the border secured the whole time. Just like he did the last time he threatened tariffs. If you have a memory problem or don't believe common sense news here's a link to left wing news BEFORE the tariffs were set to take place last week



WASHINGTON, Jan 31 (Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump said on Friday he would impose hefty new tariffs of 25% on goods from Mexico and Canada and 10% on imports from China, and nothing could be done by the three countries to forestall them.
Trump did, however, reference a potential carve out for oil from Canada, saying that rate would be 10% versus the 25% planned for other goods from the United States' northern neighbor. But he indicated wider tariffs on oil and natural gas would be coming in mid-February, remarks that sent oil prices higher.

Trump has been threatening the tariffs for weeks, saying they would be imposed on Feb. 1 and remain in place until the countries did more to stem the flow of both migrants and fentanyl over the U.S. border
https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/north-america-braces-new-trump-tariffs-saturday-deadline-nears-2025-01-31/

Again this was last week. He got Mexico to send TEN THOUSAND armed men to our border on only a threat and promise to keep our guns flowing into Mexico in check. How much does it cost to keep 10k men at the border I have no idea but it can't be cheap.

As far as Canada goes they were complaining Trump wanted them to do too much at the border when they already had a 1.3 billion plan in place.



In addition to this initial response, Ministers LeBlanc and Joly reiterated that all options remain on the table as the government considers additional measures, including non-tariff options, should the U.S. continue to apply unjustified tariffs on Canada.

Less than 1 per cent of the fentanyl and illegal crossings into the United States come from Canada. We will not stand idly by when our nation is being needlessly and unfairly targeted. The government will defend Canadian interests and jobs. We stand ready to support affected workers and businesses.

https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/02/canada-announces-155b-tariff-package-in-response-to-unjustified-us-tariffs.html

Again this is on weekend before the tariffs were set to take place, Canada is complaining that Trump wants them to do more to protect the border. Guess what? Their asses did it. They are now spending 100s of millions more on border security.

The fentanyl angle is kind of BS. Republicans don't seem to care about the subject judging by polling. I'm guessing Trump told Canada and Mexico he'd play the fentanyl angle so as not to make them look bad in getting them to do his bidding at the border.

More left wing news

President Trump's high-stakes confrontation with the United States' closest trading partners appears to have paid off, with both Mexico and Canada agreeing to stricter border security and taking bigger steps to address fentanyl trafficking.

The strategy to leverage the US economy to force concessions from other countries notches a win for Trump's "America first" agenda, allowing him to follow through on core domestic issues without American consumers feeling the sting of the economic consequences of a continental trade war.


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c805jjk2klko

He got Mexico and Canada to spend a huge chunk of their budget to secure his border. Something both countries were complaining about Trump wanting them to do too much. Well it's what got him elected and it looks like he's accomplishing it in short order. They both bent the knee and he gave up almost nothing :pimp:

[TheMan]

Revisionist history. He wanted the border secured the whole time. Just like he did the last time he threatened tariffs. If you have a memory problem or don't believe common sense news here's a link to left wing news BEFORE the tariffs were set to take place last week


https://www.reuters.com/world/americas/north-america-braces-new-trump-tariffs-saturday-deadline-nears-2025-01-31/

Again this was last week. He got Mexico to send TEN THOUSAND armed men to our border on only a threat and promise to keep our guns flowing into Mexico in check. How much does it cost to keep 10k men at the border I have no idea but it can't be cheap.

As far as Canada goes they were complaining Trump wanted them to do too much at the border when they already had a 1.3 billion plan in place.


https://www.canada.ca/en/department-finance/news/2025/02/canada-announces-155b-tariff-package-in-response-to-unjustified-us-tariffs.html

Again this is on weekend before the tariffs were set to take place, Canada is complaining that Trump wants them to do more to protect the border. Guess what? Their asses did it. They are now spending 100s of millions more on border security.

The fentanyl angle is kind of BS. Republicans don't seem to care about the subject judging by polling. I'm guessing Trump told Canada and Mexico he'd play the fentanyl angle so as not to make them look bad in getting them to do his bidding at the border.

More left wing news


https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c805jjk2klko

He got Mexico and Canada to spend a huge chunk of their budget to secure his border. Something both countries were complaining about Trump wanting them to do too much. Well it's what got him elected and it looks like he's accomplishing it in short order. They both bent the knee and he gave up almost nothing :pimp:
Cool story but Mexico had already deployed Guardia Nacional to both northern and southern borders before Trump even asked for them. And it will cost the same as if they were in the interior of the country anyways so it's not like they're getting paid to protect the border and are working for free in other regions :roll: What Mexico did get in return is for Trump to commit to stop the flow of US weapons into Mexico, something that should have been done a long time ago, US gun manufacturers fuming rn lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Imagine being this stupid to believe that meme :roll:

Canada and Mexico offered up nothing. Trump told them what they were going to do and they did it. Trump gave up nothing other than a threat to make up for the deficit. And this is just what he wants right now to hold off on tariffs.

Highweight is an idiot. He voted for Trump and then actively wants to see him fail.

[Media Moderator]

Cool story but Mexico had already deployed Guardia Nacional to both northern and southern borders before Trump even asked for them. And it will cost the same as if they were in the interior of the country anyways so it's not like they're getting paid to protect the border and are working for free in other regions :roll: What Mexico did get in return is for Trump to commit to stop the flow of US weapons into Mexico, something that should have been done a long time ago, US gun manufacturers fuming rn lol

Yeah but they are not on the interior anymore. I don't know who's going replace that huge vacancy but I can only imagine it either won't be cheap or the Mexican citizens will receive less protection

I'm sorry Obama sold your cartels so many weapons but we'll get it cleaned up :oldlol:

[Media Moderator]

As a peace offering to Mexico, Trump should arrest Obama's former AG and hand him over to Mexican authorities. How the Obama' administration purposely handed over thousands of weapons to the cartels and literally watched them go across the border without anyone being arrested, charged or convicted is mind boggling

[warriorfan]

Highweight is an idiot. He voted for Trump and then actively wants to see him fail.

Every single thing highwhey does is some pathetic attempt to gain attention.

His parents were jehova witnesses who basically disowned him and at school he was a fat dork no one cared about. No one even acknowledged his existence outside a few fat jokes.

Now he compulsively feels the need to be seen. :lol

The bright side is it is more often than not unintentionally funny as ****.

[highwhey]

Highweight is an idiot. He voted for Trump and then actively wants to see him fail.

nope, just tired of the peripheral bullsh1t he's been focused on instead of the promises he made us. make the economy great again, not through trade wars. he's on a revenge tour, which tells you what his priorities are, they're selfish. he didn't win any trade conflict...mexico regularly rotates troops all over mexico...that's not going to do anything for drugs anyhow, just how they've been pouring in troops into culiacan lately to stop violence but no violence stops because there is systemic corruption that renders them ineffective. and all he achieved was buy 30 days. how is that winning?

i know you won't reply seriously because you're a coward afraid of true discourse.

[highwhey]

i'd give trump his flowers if he brought the economy back to the levels of his 1st admin :confusedshrug:

but he seems more focused on getting revenge on the dems

[diamenz]

yeah ugh hey guys - both countries made concessions.

[j3lademaster]

Highweight is an idiot. He voted for Trump and then actively wants to see him fail.

There’s a lot of fair criticism. We shouldn’t be initiating trade wars when we’re already massively behind on the AI race, if we lose your grandkids/ great grandkids will be speaking chinese.

[diamenz]

@TheMan how does sheimbaum have an 80% approval rating? jesus.

[Media Moderator]

@TheMan how does sheimbaum have an 80% approval rating? jesus.

Mexicans are dumb. They wave the Mexican flag with pride in protest to being sent back to.... you guessed it... Mexico. Unfathomable retardation :oldlol:

[TheMan]

As a peace offering to Mexico, Trump should arrest Obama's former AG and hand him over to Mexican authorities. How the Obama' administration purposely handed over thousands of weapons to the cartels and literally watched them go across the border without anyone being arrested, charged or convicted is mind boggling
:applause:

First thing you've said I agree with

[TheMan]

yeah ugh hey guys - both countries made concessions.

Don't tell that to MAGA, Sheinbaum and Trudeau bent the knee

[TheMan]

Mexicans are dumb. They wave the Mexican flag with pride in protest to being sent back to.... you guessed it... Mexico. Unfathomable retardation :oldlol:

Yeah, Peña Nieto ended his presidency in the teens :facepalm

Ok, now I'll speak to an adult, diamenz, Sheinbaum is a continuation of anti neoliberalism started by her predecessor, Lopez Obrador who raised the minimum wage more than 100% during his 6 year term, the economy didn't tank (he did this during COVID-19 too), he lifted more than 6 million Mexican households out of poverty, started big infrastructure projects, didn't overspend like crazy, lowered the wages of many federal employees who were paid way too much, cut a lot of wasteful spending, and many Mexicans are optimistic about the direction of the country and his slogan was, "For Good of Everyone, First the Poor", in short he uplifted the poorest so everyone can benefit instead of what the US and previous Mexican presidents did that they would benefit the richest and hope it would trickle down (never happened and will never happen), he also raised social security benefits for the elderly, Mexico saw the biggest foreign investment in it's history in 2024. Dude was beloved, always had his popularity in the 60s or low 70s. Sheinbaum is benefitting from that but she has also done a great job so far, she's more measured, AMLO was more combative, loved picking fights with the conservative elite, Sheinbaum avoids that and so she's picking up some love from conservatives. She's only gotten more popular with how she has handled Trump, even Trump says that he likes her, lol. AMLO got along with Trump too, Trump has said that he likes Lopez Obrador, Trump also didn't have kind words for Peña Nieto, everyone hated him :lol

We have a lot of challenges, especially the cartels but the US plays an important role in this, they need to cut demand of illicit drugs, in simple terms, no demand equals no supply but that may be a pipedream.

Mexico was ready for a trade war, we knew Trump was bluffing but if he went with the tariffs, we would be united and toughen it out, Trump OTOH is hated by half his countrymen, he would have had a tougher time convincing people to stick it out, poll after poll showed that Americans did not want a trade war, neither do Mexicans but we didn't start this conflict.

[Media Moderator]

yeah ugh hey guys - both countries made concessions.

What real concessions did Trump make other than withdrawing a threat for 30 days? The stopping arms from coming into Mexico was just a minor throwaway gift by Trump

[Bill Gates]

I think Trump would have universal backing if he declared military action on the cartels in not only Mexico but in every country south of the border. They are a direct cause of immigration into the US and a direct cause of death to thousands of Americans every year.

They should be treated no different than we treat the Taliban. Strategic airstrikes should take place on all of their known locations. Blow them up to bits, I am sure Sheinbaum would be all for it. It would be a huge plus to everyone, the only people that lose are the cartels themselves.

[TheMan]

What real concessions did Trump make other than withdrawing a threat for 30 days? The stopping arms from coming into Mexico was just a minor throwaway gift by Trump

Man are you blind :lol The trade war didn't happen and it's not gonna happen, mark my words. Trump wanted to flex, he got all his MAGA followers all hot and bothered, both Mexico and Canada called his bluff, all 3 countries made concessions, this shit is over, talk to me in a month when no one will be talking about tariffs anymore. Now you get to spin this like Sheinbaum and Trudeau (and don't forget, China), bent the knee...if it helps you sleep at night, then believe what you want to believe.

He's gonna drop this like how he dropped "Mexico will pay for the wall"...remember that one? :lol

[BurningHammer]

Man are you blind :lol The trade war didn't happen and it's not gonna happen, mark my words. Trump wanted to flex, he got all his MAGA followers all hot and bothered, both Mexico and Canada called his bluff, all 3 countries made concessions, this shit is over, talk to me in a month when no one will be talking about tariffs anymore. Now you get to spin this like Sheinbaum and Trudeau (and don't forget, China), bent the knee...if it helps you sleep at night, then believe what you want to believe.

He's gonna drop this like how he dropped "Mexico will pay for the wall"...remember that one? :lol

Trump is finding the next excuse for the next month after the fentanyl one went down badly. :oldlol:

[Media Moderator]

I am sure Sheinbaum would be all for it. It would be a huge plus to everyone, the only people that lose are the cartels themselves.

Uhmm the cartels LOVE the Morena party, and also PRI. They hate the PAN party. Pretty sure Sheinbaum doesn't hate the cartels since they helped her get elected

[highwhey]

Uhmm the cartels LOVE the Morena party, and also PRI. They hate the PAN party. Pretty sure Sheinbaum doesn't hate the cartels since they helped her get elected

this is false. she put in Harfuch as sec of security and he's been cleaning house arresting corrupt police officers and hunting cartel heads, they actually have capture quite a few key players already. he was the police chief while Sheinbaum was mayor of City of Mexico. guy is HATED by cartels, especially the CJNG.

CJNG did this to him, shot him twice and killed his bodyguards:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2d88b53d7346bae64a8e83e5e81b566f3b60a2c3/0_259_1333_800/master/1333.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none&crop=none

[Media Moderator]

this is false. she put in Harfuch as sec of security and he's been cleaning house arresting corrupt police officers and hunting cartel heads, they actually have capture quite a few key players already. he was the police chief while Sheinbaum was mayor of City of Mexico. guy is HATED by cartels, especially the CJNG.

CJNG did this to him, shot him twice and killed his bodyguards:

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/2d88b53d7346bae64a8e83e5e81b566f3b60a2c3/0_259_1333_800/master/1333.jpg?width=620&dpr=1&s=none&crop=none

Congrats they did this almost certain at the behest of someone seeing an advantage with him dead. And that someone wasn't just the public good.

Okay then you rank the 3 major parties on preference by the cartels

PAN
PRI
Morena "hugs not bullets"

I'll wait

[highwhey]

Congrats they did this almost certain at the behest of someone seeing an advantage with him dead. And that someone wasn't just the public good.

Okay then you rank the 3 major parties on preference by the cartels

PAN
PRI
Morena "hugs not bullets"

I'll wait

the hugs not bullets was AMLO, that's not Sheinbaum's strategy. they are being far more proactive against the cartels, starting by cleaning house with corrupt AG's and police, because those are the people informing the cartels to run when the military is headed their way for a raid.

there's a reason why the world's biggest cartel hates Harfuch, he's messing with their money. about a month ago they killed another of his bodyguards. they want him dead. Sheinbaum is not playing around. but it's a far more nuanced plan. In the US you can afford to storm people's houses without much repercussions, hell, most of the raids here end without conflict. over there, you literally end up in a war because they have military grade weapons. you think those fat sherrifs or cops in swat gear would make it in Mexico? LOL. these cartels have rings of security spaced out specifically to provide enough resistance against military or police to allow their boss to escape.

american cops would sh1t their pants going up against this type of violence on a weekly basis...it's not as easy as it is in the states to nab up your neigborhood drug dealer. they'll burn the city before getting arrested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLay1g9VglI

[TheMan]

Congrats they did this almost certain at the behest of someone seeing an advantage with him dead. And that someone wasn't just the public good.

Okay then you rank the 3 major parties on preference by the cartels

PAN
PRI
Morena "hugs not bullets"

I'll wait

PAN and PRI a close second definitely :lol

Genaro Garcia Luna, the top cop under PAN Felipe Calderon, who started this fake "war" on the cartels, was sentenced to prison in the US last year for his cartel connections :roll: Everyone knew they were doing the Sinaloa Cartel's bidding. This Morena is in bed with the cartels is something the opposition throws at the ruling party but never show any evidence of it. An internal memo was leaked a year or so ago by the US State Department that said that they investigated AMLO's possible ties to the cartels and found no evidence of it :oldlol:

The political parties that have had ties to the drug business are in fact PAN and PRI, they are diminishing in relevance in Mexico, Morena has all the levers of power and they are actively investigating and arresting members of their own party for corruption since AMLO ran on an anti corruption campaign. Every time a president finished his term in Mexico, they would hightail it out of the country, Carlos Salinas de Gortari (probably the most corrupt) exiled to Ireland, Zedillo went to the US, Calderon and Peña Nieto are in Spain, they do this so they're not in danger of being arrested for corruption charges. Lopez Obrador is chilling in his ranch in Mexico...that tells you something. To be fair, Vicente Fox also stayed in Mexico and hasn't been mentioned in any drug connections BUT el Chapo did escape twice under his presidency so...

[Media Moderator]

the hugs not bullets was AMLO, that's not Sheinbaum's strategy. they are being far more proactive against the cartels, starting by cleaning house with corrupt AG's and police, because those are the people informing the cartels to run when the military is headed their way for a raid.

there's a reason why the world's biggest cartel hates Harfuch, he's messing with their money. about a month ago they killed another of his bodyguards. they want him dead. Sheinbaum is not playing around. but it's a far more nuanced plan. In the US you can afford to storm people's houses without much repercussions, hell, most of the raids here end without conflict. over there, you literally end up in a war because they have military grade weapons. you think those fat sherrifs or cops in swat gear would make it in Mexico? LOL. these cartels have rings of security spaced out specifically to provide enough resistance against military or police to allow their boss to escape.

american cops would sh1t their pants going up against this type of violence on a weekly basis...it's not as easy as it is in the states to nab up your neigborhood drug dealer. they'll burn the city before getting arrested.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qLay1g9VglI

Cartels like in Mexico wouldn't last a week in the US. Your average town of rednecks would easily wipe out an entire cartel faction in short order. The cartels exist because Mexican politicians use them for bribes as well as political tools for both domestic and foreign uses. The US regularly interferes in cartel business inside Mexico with their government's restraint. Cartels on the other hand at best hit and run inside the US then scurry back to the border as fast as they can . If they ever ventured too far inside the US the desert would be literally painted with their blood, and there would be very little to no loss on our side.

[TheMan]

Cartels like in Mexico wouldn't last a week in the US. Your average town of rednecks would easily wipe out an entire cartel faction in short order. The cartels exist because Mexican politicians use them for bribes as well as political tools for both domestic and foreign uses. The US regularly interferes in cartel business inside Mexico with their government's restraint. Cartels on the other hand at best hit and run inside the US then scurry back to the border as fast as they can . If they ever ventured too far inside the US the desert would be literally painted with their blood, and there would be very little to no loss on our side.

Bruh :roll:

I'm not proud of saying this, believe me but the level of savagery the cartel sicarios revel in is something not commonly seen in the US. Believe me bro, when a cartel gets a hold of a few rednecks and skin them alive while they're laughing and filming it, that will make the rest of the hillbillies run to the hills. You've absolutely no clue what you're talking about. These sick ****ers here will kill dozens of innocent people to get to one target.

This happened a few months ago where I live, this never happens here but sicarios went into a restaurant full of young people and killed 9 innocent people, 3 women and 6 men to get to a CNJ recruiter. They don't GAF.


https://youtu.be/Uj2nZzhrdXM?si=-Ls08_obeS34MIcd

The US military can handle them, obviously...common folk with guns in the US like you're suggesting? FOH

[tpols]

Man are you blind :lol The trade war didn't happen and it's not gonna happen, mark my words. Trump wanted to flex, he got all his MAGA followers all hot and bothered, both Mexico and Canada called his bluff, all 3 countries made concessions, this shit is over, talk to me in a month when no one will be talking about tariffs anymore. Now you get to spin this like Sheinbaum and Trudeau (and don't forget, China), bent the knee...if it helps you sleep at night, then believe what you want to believe.

He's gonna drop this like how he dropped "Mexico will pay for the wall"...remember that one? :lol

There will be no more tacos if you don't concede.

I'm ****ing serious.

We will embargo your tortilla supply.

[j3lademaster]

Cartels like in Mexico wouldn't last a week in the US. Your average town of rednecks would easily wipe out an entire cartel faction in short order. The cartels exist because Mexican politicians use them for bribes as well as political tools for both domestic and foreign uses. The US regularly interferes in cartel business inside Mexico with their government's restraint. Cartels on the other hand at best hit and run inside the US then scurry back to the border as fast as they can . If they ever ventured too far inside the US the desert would be literally painted with their blood, and there would be very little to no loss on our side.
You’re vastly underestimating how well-funded, well equipped and how powerful these cartels are.

[Media Moderator]

Bruh :roll:

I'm not proud of saying this, believe me but the level of savagery the cartel sicarios revel in is something not commonly seen in the US. Believe me bro, when a cartel gets a hold of a few rednecks and skin them alive while they're laughing and filming it, that will make the rest of the hillbillies run to the hills. You've absolutely no clue what you're talking about. These sick ****ers here will kill dozens of innocent people to get to one target.

This happened a few months ago where I live, this never happens here but sicarios went into a restaurant full of young people and killed 9 innocent people, 3 women and 6 men to get to a CNJ recruiter. They don't GAF.


https://youtu.be/Uj2nZzhrdXM?si=-Ls08_obeS34MIcd

The US military can handle them, obviously...common folk with guns in the US like you're suggesting? FOH

The reason cartels is exist as a violent not exactly underground force in Mexico is because Mexicans are too weak to stand up to them. They'd rather run across the border to the Americans who know how to handle scumbags like that. Yes they have guns in a largely unarmed society and the government does very little to stop them, but that's about the biggest secret to their success. You give them some guns and throw a few hundred of them in red state semi rural American town walled off where American law enforcement can't get to them, and the American civilians wipe out these 5'5 Juans and Joses almost instantly. It's easy to act like a bad ass when you are in a society of weak, unarmed people and you have money to pay off a corrupt government

[highwhey]

Cartels like in Mexico wouldn't last a week in the US. Your average town of rednecks would easily wipe out an entire cartel faction in short order. The cartels exist because Mexican politicians use them for bribes as well as political tools for both domestic and foreign uses. The US regularly interferes in cartel business inside Mexico with their government's restraint. Cartels on the other hand at best hit and run inside the US then scurry back to the border as fast as they can . If they ever ventured too far inside the US the desert would be literally painted with their blood, and there would be very little to no loss on our side.

is that why the us deployed the marines to stop unarmed immigrants? :ohwell:

[highwhey]

You’re vastly underestimating how well-funded, well equipped and how powerful these cartels are.

media moderator's fetish is to make himself look like a fool

[BurningHammer]

I guess Trump should try having a "special operation" against Mexican cartels to see who are paper tigers or not. He and his cronies have had shut down departments that benefit general American citizens for save some budget for something, right? :rolleyes:

[diamenz]

, Sheinbaum is a continuation of anti neoliberalism started by her predecessor, Lopez Obrador who raised the minimum wage more than 100% during his 6 year term, the economy didn't tank (he did this during COVID-19 too), he lifted more than 6 million Mexican households out of poverty, started big infrastructure projects, didn't overspend like crazy, lowered the wages of many federal employees who were paid way too much, cut a lot of wasteful spending, and many Mexicans are optimistic about the direction of the country and his slogan was, "For Good of Everyone, First the Poor", in short he uplifted the poorest so everyone can benefit instead of what the US and previous Mexican presidents did that they would benefit the richest and hope it would trickle down (never happened and will never happen), he also raised social security benefits for the elderly, Mexico saw the biggest foreign investment in it's history in 2024. Dude was beloved, always had his popularity in the 60s or low 70s. Sheinbaum is benefitting from that but she has also done a great job so far, she's more measured, AMLO was more combative, loved picking fights with the conservative elite, Sheinbaum avoids that and so she's picking up some love from conservatives. She's only gotten more popular with how she has handled Trump, even Trump says that he likes her, lol. AMLO got along with Trump too, Trump has said that he likes Lopez Obrador, Trump also didn't have kind words for Peña Nieto, everyone hated him :lol



as long as you can tell me she doesn't have a woke agenda then you won't hear any arguments from me. from what i've heard she's a straight shooter and that's always an admirable trait as far as i'm concerned.

[Media Moderator]

media moderator's fetish is to make himself look like a fool

If you are defending Mexico and glorifying the cartels, and I'm Team USA, the greatest nation on Earth. We don't even need to go through the semantics. I've already won

https://media1.tenor.com/m/8zUyU3lh7csAAAAC/vince-carter-its-over.gif

[highwhey]

If you are defending Mexico and glorifying the cartels, and I'm Team USA, the greatest nation on Earth. We don't even need to go through the semantics. I've already won

https://media1.tenor.com/m/8zUyU3lh7csAAAAC/vince-carter-its-over.gif

this is why you make yourself look like a fool instead of engaging in a serious conversation.

[Patrick Chewing]

nope, just tired of the peripheral bullsh1t he's been focused on instead of the promises he made us. make the economy great again, not through trade wars. he's on a revenge tour, which tells you what his priorities are, they're selfish. he didn't win any trade conflict...mexico regularly rotates troops all over mexico...that's not going to do anything for drugs anyhow, just how they've been pouring in troops into culiacan lately to stop violence but no violence stops because there is systemic corruption that renders them ineffective. and all he achieved was buy 30 days. how is that winning?

i know you won't reply seriously because you're a coward afraid of true discourse.

He's been President for two weeks and he's already fulfilled one of his promises by starting to deport criminal illegal aliens. He's implementing tariffs in order to help lower costs in the long run and only time will tell if it will work. Revenge tour? What revenge? What are you talking about? You're talking out of your ass and soiling yourself over two weeks of him being in office. He's done more in two weeks than Biden did in 4 years. You're just a follower. The idiotic youth of America votes Blue cause they're told to and you're one of these clowns.

[TheMan]

The reason cartels is exist as a violent not exactly underground force in Mexico is because Mexicans are too weak to stand up to them. They'd rather run across the border to the Americans who know how to handle scumbags like that. Yes they have guns in a largely unarmed society and the government does very little to stop them, but that's about the biggest secret to their success. You give them some guns and throw a few hundred of them in red state semi rural American town walled off where American law enforcement can't get to them, and the American civilians wipe out these 5'5 Juans and Joses almost instantly. It's easy to act like a bad ass when you are in a society of weak, unarmed people and you have money to pay off a corrupt government

Mexicans aren't any weaker (ffs Mexican boxers are world renown for their in your face warrior style, a weak peoples don't produce fighters like that) than other peoples who had to live under criminal organizations. You're gonna tell me Italians were weak when they were terrorized for hundreds of years during the peak of La Cosa Nostra? Colombians were weak when the cartels ran havoc in the 80s/90s? Russians are yellow living in fear of the Russian Mob? Weakness doesn't have anything to do with it, it's survival instinct. It's easy to call into question someone's courage sitting comfy in your mom's basement in Country Bumkin Town, USA.

Cartels are usually centered in rural hard to get places where everyone knows everyone, it's hard to sneak up on them. They either have everyone terrorized or bought off. They have the advantage of knowing the terrain, where to hide when shit goes down. They have the local authorities in their pocket or in the grave if they don't comply. They also have halcones (hawks) who are spies amongst the locals who inform them if a rival cartel is making a move or if the local town folk are organizing against them. The punishment for people not down with the cartel is a slow and painful death (you've seen the videos) and your brothers, sisters, parents, children, cousins and even friends await the same fate. Having said that, there are regions in Mexico where the people have stood up and kicked the cartels out initially but then the retaliation happens and things don't turn out well for them.

Sorry but you trying to downplay sicarios with their height is pretty stupid, height doesn't matter when an AK-47 bullet from a 5"6' Mexicano hits your skull. Need I remind you that even smaller people, the Viet Cong, brought the US to it's knees? Height is irrelevant.

The fact that you can't even recognize that the US has the biggest role in what's happening in Mexico is pretty pathetic. If it weren't for Americans insatiable lust for illicit drugs, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. No demand = no supply, it's that ****ing simple. Do something about your need for drugs, the US is the world's biggest drug abuser, get to the core reason on why y'all need drugs. A happy healthy society doesn't need drugs.

America is a sick and decaying society, sorry.

[highwhey]

He's been President for two weeks and he's already fulfilled one of his promises by starting to deport criminal illegal aliens. He's implementing tariffs in order to help lower costs in the long run and only time will tell if it will work. Revenge tour? What revenge? What are you talking about? You're talking out of your ass and soiling yourself over two weeks of him being in office. He's done more in two weeks than Biden did in 4 years. You're just a follower. The idiotic youth of America votes Blue cause they're told to and you're one of these clowns.

oh wow, we have stopped being overrun by illegals. i feel SO MUCH safer now. the only difference i notice is how many racists feel empowered now. before the mass deportations, there was no crisis, not to the degree fox news makes you believe. i live 3.5 hours from the mexico border, i know what i am talking about. you don't live here, you think everything fox news says is true. there's literally ZERO difference. and in the 4 years biden was president, he didn't have 2 plane crashes or have china become the AI leader :eek:

[TheMan]

He's been President for two weeks and he's already fulfilled one of his promises by starting to deport criminal illegal aliens. He's implementing tariffs in order to help lower costs in the long run and only time will tell if it will work. Revenge tour? What revenge? What are you talking about? You're talking out of your ass and soiling yourself over two weeks of him being in office. He's done more in two weeks than Biden did in 4 years. You're just a follower. The idiotic youth of America votes Blue cause they're told to and you're one of these clowns.

He voted for Trump :lol

[highwhey]

Mexicans aren't any weaker (ffs Mexican boxers are world renown for their in your face warrior style, a weak peoples don't produce fighters like that) than other peoples who had to live under criminal organizations. You're gonna tell me Italians were weak when they were terrorized for hundreds of years during the peak of La Cosa Nostra? Colombians were weak when the cartels ran havoc in the 80s/90s? Russians are yellow living in fear of the Russian Mob? Weakness doesn't have anything to do with it, it's survival instinct. It's easy to call into question someone's courage sitting comfy in your mom's basement in Country Bumkin Town, USA.

Cartels are usually centered in rural hard to get places where everyone knows everyone, it's hard to sneak up on them. They either have everyone terrorized or bought off. They have the advantage of knowing the terrain, where to hide when shit goes down. They have the local authorities in their pocket or in the grave if they don't comply. They also have halcones (hawks) who are spies amongst the locals who inform them if a rival cartel is making a move or if the local town folk are organizing against them. The punishment for people not down with the cartel is a slow and painful death (you've seen the videos) and your brothers, sisters, parents, children, cousins and even friends await the same fate. Having said that, there are regions in Mexico where the people have stood up and kicked the cartels out initially but then the retaliation happens and things don't turn out well for them.

Sorry but you trying to downplay sicarios with their height is pretty stupid, height doesn't matter when an AK-47 bullet from a 5"6' Mexicano hits your skull. Need I remind you that even smaller people, the Viet Cong, brought the US to it's knees? Height is irrelevant.

The fact that you can't even recognize that the US has the biggest role in what's happening in Mexico is pretty pathetic. If it weren't for Americans insatiable lust for illicit drugs, we wouldn't be in the mess we're in. No demand = no supply, it's that ****ing simple. Do something about your need for drugs, the US is the world's biggest drug abuser, get to the core reason on why y'all need drugs. A happy healthy society doesn't need drugs.

America is a sick and decaying society, sorry.

it's almost like america didn't just spend a 20 year long war in aghanistan against people living in very remote, mountainous regions and struggled to find those insurgents.

[TheMan]

it's almost like america didn't just spend a 20 year long war in aghanistan against people living in very remote, mountainous regions and struggled to find those insurgents.

Yep, he thinks cartel members will have identifying tags out in the open waiting to get shot by the military.

BTW, the Mexican military is pretty successful when they go up against cartel members but sicarios usually hightail it when they get the word that the army is moving in. They avoid those fights but they easily overmatch the police because of superior firepower (thanks to the US) and numbers.

[highwhey]

Yep, he thinks cartel members will have identifying tags out in the open waiting to get shot by the military.

BTW, the Mexican military is pretty successful when they go up against cartel members but sicarios usually hightail it when they get the word that the army is moving in. They avoid those fights but they easily overmatch the police because of superior firepower (thanks to the US) and numbers.

yeah the marina and ejercito are pretty good, but it's their own generals that give the cartels a heads up

[Patrick Chewing]

oh wow, we have stopped being overrun by illegals. i feel SO MUCH safer now. the only difference i notice is how many racists feel empowered now. before the mass deportations, there was no crisis, not to the degree fox news makes you believe. i live 3.5 hours from the mexico border, i know what i am talking about. you don't live here, you think everything fox news says is true. there's literally ZERO difference. and in the 4 years biden was president, he didn't have 2 plane crashes or have china become the AI leader :eek:

What racists feel empowered now? Where are you seeing this? Where are you getting this information from? Once again, talking out of your ass.

[warriorfan]

What racists feel empowered now? Where are you seeing this? Where are you getting this information from? Once again, talking out of your ass.

When highwhey feels de-powered after he sobers up and looks in be mirror, he interprets this as “racists” being “empowered”. It’s really highwhey waking up in the morning and hating himself for being a gross piece of shit and he tries to explain those feelings as the racists have gotten a shot of steroids and are double time oppressing him. He actually has oppressed himself by OD’ing on chimichangas. But it’s easier to get mad at Donald Trump and the boogieman racists rather than admit he ruined his life because he couldn’t put down the carnitas.

[highwhey]

What racists feel empowered now? Where are you seeing this? Where are you getting this information from? Once again, talking out of your ass.

You have your head so far up your ass you ignore reality. When i get to my desk i will further insult you, 400.

[StickyWice]

You have your head so far up your ass you ignore reality. When i get to my desk i will further insult you, 400.

It unusual to enjoy sitting on chair with just pole. Just saying very smelly too if no use toilet paper. Many coworker complain about garbage smell.

[Patrick Chewing]

You have your head so far up your ass you ignore reality. When i get to my desk i will further insult you, 400.

Only racist I see is you. You know damn well you hate Blacks and Jews. You’re like the Brown version of Hitler.

[StickyWice]

Only racist I see is you. You know damn well you hate Blacks and Jews. You’re like the Brown version of Hitler.

This very true. He desk is garbage with wood on top and he share with 12 other mexican

[Patrick Chewing]

This very true. He desk is garbage with wood on top and he share with 12 other mexican

At work they call him Adolfo Hitlervez.

[Hey Yo]

oh wow, we have stopped being overrun by illegals. i feel SO MUCH safer now. the only difference i notice is how many racists feel empowered now. before the mass deportations, there was no crisis, not to the degree fox news makes you believe. i live 3.5 hours from the mexico border, i know what i am talking about. you don't live here, you think everything fox news says is true. there's literally ZERO difference. and in the 4 years biden was president, he didn't have 2 plane crashes or have china become the AI leader :eek:

:mad: :cry: :mad:

meltdown lol

[StickyWice]

:mad: :cry: :mad:

meltdown lol


He steaming like bao bun or he poop in garbage