TRADE: Luka Doncic to Lakers, Anthony Davis to Mavericks

[Im Still Ballin]

WTF

The Dallas Mavericks are trading Luka Doncic, Maxi Kleber and Markieff Morris to the Los Angeles Lakers for Anthony Davis, Max Christie and a 2029 first-round pick, sources tell ESPN. Three-team deal that includes Utah.

https://x.com/ShamsCharania/status/1885919297832169918

https://www.threads.net/@shamsnba/post/DFjvOW7MoGF?xmt=AQGzazrUSL2-G4fRpa58a0ahRJzWcogsZma3aWmRQ2m9jw

[1987_Lakers]

:roll:

Holy shit, why would the Mavs do this????

Obviously Luka & LeBron is a weird fit, but he's about to retire. Luka is top 5 player in the league and entering his peak

[Im Still Ballin]

LA just needs a quality center like Poeltl or Kessler and they're looking nice.

[Indian guy]

Being reported by ESPN too now.

WTF?? Why would Dallas do this???

[jlip]

I'm seeing this too. If true, this is coming out of nowhere and seems strange. Luka and LeBron on the same team is arguably the most redundant situation in NBA history.

[Hey Yo]

Holy shit!!!

[warriorfan]

I think this is fake news. Someone bit on a bad source.

Makes no sense for Dallas to do this.

[Wally450]

Wowzers

[Im Still Ballin]

The fit might work like Harden and CP3. People thought that wouldn't work but it did. Luka and LeBron are both good shooters and can attack closeouts, get to the rim, and pass/make plays.

LeBron can also work well playing like Draymond as a screener/in secondary action in the short roll and hand-off game. He's also a great cutter when LA has competent creation outside of him - good example was post-trade in 2023.

[bison]

A part of my brain still thinks shams got hacked, but if this real

Holleeeee sh1t!!! Much to process man

[Axe]

Saw it on fb a while ago. I thought it was fake jajaja.

[bison]

Lakers aren’t gonna let the deadline pass without having a center. Another move has to be coming. But god damn the balls on rob. Lebron AD era is over!! With lebrons career winding down, clearly we are jumping to Luka for the future. Wow.

[Mask the Embiid]

They just said **** defense...... lol wow. if this works out and they win a ring, it will change the way the game is played forever.

wow.....LeBron put his nuts on the table and said im all in for this last year. Make the trade

[jlip]

Shams is basically the new Woj, but I need to see another source to confirm this.

[Im Still Ballin]

Lakers aren’t gonna let the deadline pass without having a center. Another move has to be coming. But god damn the balls on rob. Lebron AD era is over!! With lebrons career winding down, clearly we are jumping to Luka for the future. Wow.

Poeltl would be perfect. Kessler is most likely a pipedream. Jonas Val might be the realistic option.

[Im Still Ballin]

LeBron had to sign off on it, no? Imagine that phone call. "Do it." Like The Godfather Pt. 2 when Michael decides to wack Fredo.

[highwhey]

wtf :facepalm

[Axe]

Still good luck getting past over tough, young contenders in the playoffs. Like the thunder and the rockets.

[1987_Lakers]

They just said **** defense...... lol wow. if this works out and they win a ring, it will change the way the game is played forever.

wow.....LeBron put his nuts on the table and said im all in for this last year. Make the trade

It's a weird fit to the current squad, but this is 100% a future thing. LeBron is about to retire & AD is in his 30's.

Lakers just stole a top 5 player in the league who is only 25.

:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

I heard them say it on SportsCenter like it was a random throw in line right before commercial break. They even added a “Seriously…” like it was some kinda ad campaign. Didnt even mention the lakers. My ass got up and went to bed, thinking it was some kind of joke.

[warriorfan]

I wonder if Luka privately told the Mavericks that he’s done and wants out.

[Im Still Ballin]

Dallas going all in on defense:


“I believe that defense wins championships,” Mavs GM Nico Harrison told ESPN regarding his motivation to trade Doncic for AD. “I believe that getting an All-Defensive center and an All-NBA player with a defensive mindset gives us a better chance. We’re built to win now and in the future.”

Will they go big with Lively/Gafford + AD starting? They have to, right?

[1987_Lakers]

Most shocking and out no where trade in all my years of watching the NBA.

I still can't believe it.

:roll:

[BallsOut]

This is probably worst than Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol. What a heist. Now Lakers just need to trade LeBron while his value is still high

LeBron for Lavine+filler would be nice

[HylianNightmare]

Trash for both teams

[Wally450]

I wonder if Luka privately told the Mavericks that he’s done and wants out.

Just saw a tweet on NBA TV that said the Mavs are concerned about Luka’s conditioning issues and giving a guy like that a max deal. Makes sense for the Lakers completely. They now have their guy for the future once LeBron retires.

[Axe]

Luka will be on load management for him to be effectively productive come playoff time.

[BallsOut]

Just saw a tweet on NBA TV that said the Mavs are concerned about Luka’s conditioning issues and giving a guy like that a max deal. Makes sense for the Lakers completely. They now have their guy for the future once LeBron retires.

**** the future. This is Lukas team now. Just need to trade LeBron and get another good young player and we're set.

[Im Still Ballin]

Kyrie - Klay - PJ Washington - AD - Gafford

How do you rate that lineup?

[1987_Lakers]

This is probably worst than Kwame Brown for Pau Gasol. What a heist. Now Lakers just need to trade LeBron while his value is still high

LeBron for Lavine+filler would be nice

As a big LeBron stan I agree, trade him, I'm sure some dummy team would give up too much for the 40 year old for the simple fact that he is LeBron. This is Luka's team now.

[jlip]

I know AD got injured the other night, but I'm wondering if he was already made aware of this, and that's why he didn't travel with the team. Also, how long is Luka supposed to be out? Will he just stay out until the All Star break is over?

[GOBB]

doesn’t make lakers better. But hey when bron retires you can be happy you got an overweight, poor conditioned white Bron to carry the franchise…not sure where exactly. Probably hope for free agency to stack another roster

[1987_Lakers]

doesn’t make lakers better. But hey when bron retires you can be happy you got an overweight, poor conditioned white Bron to carry the franchise…not sure where exactly. Probably hope for free agency to stack another roster

If you are the Lakers you make this trade. You were not winning a chip with the current squad. You just secured a bonified superstar who is only 25.

[bison]

Luka is still an mvp caliber player and still young. Theres definitely more coming because the lakers roster makes no sense right now.

Apparently Mavs came to the lakers and straight up said ‘hey you want Luka?’ Really unexpected but I think if you’re management you don’t pass up that opportunity.

[Neal Romer]

This is some weird dream right? Theres no way this is reality.

This is too weird.

Im seriously shocked and confused as hell rn.

[bison]

LeBron had to sign off on it, no? Imagine that phone call. "Do it." Like The Godfather Pt. 2 when Michael decides to wack Fredo.

Lakers beat reporter just said Lebron had no idea. Lebron was apparently having post game dinner with his family in NYC when he learned the news.

[1987_Lakers]

This is some weird dream right? Theres no way this is reality.

This is too weird.

Im seriously shocked and confused as hell rn.

When I first heard the news from a friend I immediately thought my friend was pranked by a fake Twitter account

[FKAri]

Either there were some major issues between Luka and management or his health concerns Dallas too much with his contract coming up. If you're not going to sign him for the super max then this was your best bet. He'll pass trade physicals but Dallas might not see longevity in him. And he's only going to get worse defensively going forward.

But AD? Dude's not exactly an ox himself. Could they have done better though? I don't know.

[NBAGOAT]

The lakers can ship Lebron tomorrow for all I care haha. Pelinka made one of the greatest trades in nba history, greatest in my lifetime at least

[Im Still Ballin]

Thank God for that first season because LA butchered most of the LeBron-AD era.

Year one was perfect. Year two was ruined by injuries. Year three ruined by Westbrook trade. Year four salvaged by trades. Year five just couldn't get past Denver. Year six probably would've gone the same as year five.

[GOBB]

As a big LeBron stan I agree, trade him, I'm sure some dummy team would give up too much for the 40 year old for the simple fact that he is LeBron. This is Luka's team now.

He will be 26 end of this month. So by time he impacts the lakers he will be 27. Not a bad trade at all for LA. But what is built around Luka will be key. Becuase he’s not carrying a cast of duds by himself. The good thing is LA will always be a host destination for top tier players. Just a matter of who is available and what fit/works with Luka.

[BallsOut]

Either there was some major issues between Luka and management or his health concerns Dallas too much with his contract coming up. If you're not going to sign him for the super max then this was your best bet. He'll pass trade physicals but Dallas might not see longevity in him. And he's only going to get worse defensively going forward.

But AD? Dude's not exactly an ox himself.

If mr glass AD was your best bet, you're screwed.

They could have opened the floor for 29 other teams and gotten a bigger return than that.

As a Lakers fan it's amazing to get Luka but I have to admit that' was the worst heist in NBA history.

[GOBB]

Either there were some major issues between Luka and management or his health concerns Dallas too much with his contract coming up. If you're not going to sign him for the super max then this was your best bet. He'll pass trade physicals but Dallas might not see longevity in him. And he's only going to get worse defensively going forward.

But AD? Dude's not exactly an ox himself. Could they have done better though? I don't know.

I mean what other big produces as good as Davis in the NBA?

[1987_Lakers]

Rumors on Twitter that LeBron to the Warriors is gaining some traction.

[Kblaze8855]

Kyrie has a player option this summer. I think LeBron does too. Anyway to rig that time and why so LeBron op out and Kyrie signs and then LeBron signs back?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Either there were some major issues between Luka and management or his health concerns Dallas too much with his contract coming up. If you're not going to sign him for the super max then this was your best bet. He'll pass trade physicals but Dallas might not see longevity in him. And he's only going to get worse defensively going forward.

But AD? Dude's not exactly an ox himself. Could they have done better though? I don't know.


Yea that's the problem here.

Luka for AD? C'mon guys... we all know this all about keeping the Lakers in the spotlight.

[eliteballer]

If LeBron had anything to do with this what a betrayal to AD...his klutch sports client who he maneuvered to LA.

[Im Still Ballin]

If LeBron had anything to do with this what a betrayal to AD...his klutch sports client who he maneuvered to LA.

As much as I want to believe it this move has post-LeBron future written all over it.

[Kblaze8855]

Luka is Supposedly no longer eligible for Supermax since he’s on a new team. He was supposed to be signing for like 350 million this off-season. I’m not sure what the max is now but I’m sure it is quite different. Somebody had to be pissed off. If he didn’t ask out, that’s a pretty big **** you.

[Mask the Embiid]

It's a weird fit to the current squad, but this is 100% a future thing. LeBron is about to retire & AD is in his 30's.

Lakers just stole a top 5 player in the league who is only 25.

:roll:

Lakers really pulled this shit off again man smh.... how do they do it.

[Axe]

He will be 26 end of this month. So by time he impacts the lakers he will be 27. Not a bad trade at all for LA. But what is built around Luka will be key. Becuase he’s not carrying a cast of duds by himself. The good thing is LA will always be a host destination for top tier players. Just a matter of who is available and what fit/works with Luka.
Sometimes colluding won't end up too well for those players, like what happened with the '21 nets bt. The difference between expectation and reality can be harsh but ofc they'd always still be influenced by whatever narrative and contexts that would occur around them. But yes, acquiring him will continue to get them spotlight until later on. Not sure if this will be another dynasty in the making tho.

[Im Still Ballin]

Luka is Supposedly no longer eligible for Supermax since he’s on a new team. He was supposed to be signing for like 350 million this off-season. I’m not sure what the max is now but I’m sure it is quite different. Somebody had to be pissed off. If he didn’t ask out, that’s a pretty big **** you.

Jason Kidd maybe? Hard-working, lunch-pail guy but with a checkered past of scandals both as a player and coach. Petty enough to back this move perhaps.

[L.Kizzle]

Most shocking out of nowhere NBA trade ever.

[1987_Lakers]

No way Cuban would have ever approved this trade. Looks like Mavs are on their way back to their 90's selves pretty soon.

[bison]

Luka is Supposedly no longer eligible for Supermax since he’s on a new team. He was supposed to be signing for like 350 million this off-season. I’m not sure what the max is now but I’m sure it is quite different. Somebody had to be pissed off. If he didn’t ask out, that’s a pretty big **** you.

AD, LeBron and Luka had zero clue this move was coming according to reports. Lots of stars getting blindsided here.

[Neal Romer]

I think people writing off the Lakers this season may be missing the mark.

Lebron, Luka and Reaves is the highest IQ trio in basketball. Plus now you've got a couple of Luka's career-long running mates in Finney-Smith and Kleber giving you depth on the perimeter.

If they can flip some of their remaining picks/assets for a quality defensive center? Maybe a Rob Williams from Portland?

It's a pretty good team guys. I know the fit looks awkward on the surface. But Bron and Luka teams always have good chemistry and play above the sum of their parts. It's gonna be really interesting.

Unless of course they end up trading Lebron two days from now and render all this conjecture meaningless.

[Axe]

Most shocking out of nowhere NBA trade ever.
The timing and sudden decision to involve a guy who's been or at least set to become one of the faces in the league left many so dumbfounded, even moreso since he just came in the finals last year. I guess trading 'superstars' without any hint of it will be common thing now from here on. This news even beat jimmy butler to that.

[theman93]

Lebron to Golden State next :rockon:

[Im Still Ballin]

I think people writing off the Lakers this season may be missing the mark.

Lebron, Luka and Reaves is the highest IQ trio in basketball. Plus now you've got a couple of Luka's career-long running mates in Finney-Smith and Kleber giving you depth on the perimeter.

If they can flip some of their remaining picks/assets for a quality defensive center? Maybe a Rob Williams from Portland?

It's a pretty good team guys. I know the fit looks awkward on the surface. But Bron and Luka teams always have good chemistry and play above the sum of their parts. It's gonna be really interesting.

Unless of course they end up trading Lebron two days from now and render all this conjecture meaningless.

I agree. If they can get a Poeltl or Rob Williams things could get interesting.

Reaves
Luka
LeBron
DFS
Poeltl

[1987_Lakers]

I think people writing off the Lakers this season may be missing the mark.

Lebron, Luka and Reaves is the highest IQ trio in basketball. Plus now you've got a couple of Luka's career-long running mates in Finney-Smith and Kleber giving you depth on the perimeter.

If they can flip some of their remaining picks/assets for a quality defensive center? Maybe a Rob Williams from Portland?

It's a pretty good team guys. I know the fit looks awkward on the surface. But Bron and Luka teams always have good chemistry and play above the sum of their parts. It's gonna be really interesting.

Unless of course they end up trading Lebron two days from now and render all this conjecture meaningless.

Sucks Christie was involved in the trade, he was becoming a solid player, but for Luka i'll obviously take it.

[Neal Romer]

The really weird thing to me tho is that Gafford and Lively are both quality centers on good contracts. No, they dont have AD starpower, but as a duo they give you 48 minutes a night of big energy and excellent defense. And theyre both young.

Why Dallas traded Luka for an over 30, injury prone center makes so little sense to me. AD is not Jokic or Embiid. Hes good but... hes not like an all time great. If youve already got Gafford and Lively it feels weird to trade a megastar for Anthony Davis.

[And1AllDay]

I think this is fake news. Someone bit on a bad source.

Makes no sense for Dallas to do this.

this boi shaking :oldlol::roll:

[Spurs m8]

Bron is 100% behind this.

The fact he's being reported in this story as having no idea and being out at dinner, literally a fake narrative to cover himself.

Have fun pulling the knife out, AD

[1987_Lakers]

Bron is 100% behind this.

The fact he's being reported in this story as having no idea and being out at dinner, literally a fake narrative to cover himself.

Have fun pulling the knife out, AD

This dude used to rock a Luka avatar too. Must be fuming.

:roll:

[And1AllDay]

**** the future. This is Lukas team now. Just need to trade LeBron and get another good young player and we're set.

breathe fakkit you said it three times :oldlol:

[And1AllDay]

This dude used to rock a Luka avatar too. Must be fuming.

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[Neal Romer]

If youre the Lakers tho....

The amount of Doncic jerseys selling around the world right now as we speak, my goodness. Theyll pay their tax bill this year on that alone :lol

[ShawkFactory]

Bron is 100% behind this.

The fact he's being reported in this story as having no idea and being out at dinner, literally a fake narrative to cover himself.

Have fun pulling the knife out, AD

You are such a pvssy :lol

[Im Still Ballin]

The really weird thing to me tho is that Gafford and Lively are both quality centers on good contracts. No, they dont have AD starpower, but as a duo they give you 48 minutes a night of big energy and excellent defense. And theyre both young.

Why Dallas traded Luka for an over 30, injury prone center makes so little sense to me. AD is not Jokic or Embiid. Hes good but... hes not like an all time great. If youve already got Gafford and Lively it feels weird to trade a megastar for Anthony Davis.

AD at PF it looks like.

[Axe]

I wonder what donald trump thinks of this. :eek:

[Neal Romer]

Jason Kidd maybe? Hard-working, lunch-pail guy but with a checkered past of scandals both as a player and coach. Petty enough to back this move perhaps.

I dunno man, Luka has been Kidd's meal ticket as a Mav. And Kidd has been effusive in his praise of Luka throughout.

The thing is it just makes NO sense. You dont need to be in LA to be a star these days, and Luka has always stated very genuinely and convincingly that he wants to be in Dallas. Plus they just made a finals. Hes not going to a tangibly better on-court situation in LA either.

Why either side, Luka or Mavs management would make this move.... is for now the biggest mystery I can ever recall in pro sports.

[1987_Lakers]

Mavs apparently came to the Lakers with the trade offer tonight.

Shams:

“LeBron James had no idea this was coming, Anthony Davis had no idea this was coming. I'm told Luka Doncic is still stunned about this trade.”

[tpols]

The really weird thing to me tho is that Gafford and Lively are both quality centers on good contracts. No, they dont have AD starpower, but as a duo they give you 48 minutes a night of big energy and excellent defense. And theyre both young.

Why Dallas traded Luka for an over 30, injury prone center makes so little sense to me. AD is not Jokic or Embiid. Hes good but... hes not like an all time great. If youve already got Gafford and Lively it feels weird to trade a megastar for Anthony Davis.

An AD Lively Gafford frontcourt rotation is super S tier. They're going to bully teams.

Lebron and Luka is an awkward fit. Two QBs who dominate time of possession and aren't great play finishers. AD and Lebron were great together because AD is a great play finisher.

[Kblaze8855]

Mark Stein reporting that Luka did not request a trade and the Mavs did it on their own. They initiated the whole thing by calling the Lakers.

[Neal Romer]

AD at PF it looks like.

Well that's true, it's certainly a front court upgrade. But it's not like they badly needed one is all Im saying. To trade Luka to do it? I mean WOW.

Im just so blown away at this right now.

[Patrick Chewing]

Makes the Mavs 10x better now.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The really weird thing to me tho is that Gafford and Lively are both quality centers on good contracts.

Why Dallas traded Luka for an over 30, injury prone center makes so little sense to me.



Because the trade was made by the folks at the top of the NBA pyramid.

Dallas didn't make this trade.... the NBA did.

[1987_Lakers]

How are you the Mavs and not at least get Reaves in the trade as well?? :oldlol:

[Patrick Chewing]

Mavs apparently came to the Lakers with the trade offer tonight.

Shams:

“LeBron James had no idea this was coming, Anthony Davis had no idea this was coming. I'm told Luka Doncic is still stunned about this trade while he eats at a local buffet.”


ftfy

[Im Still Ballin]

An AD Lively Gafford frontcourt rotation is super S tier. They're going to bully teams.

Lebron and Luka is an awkward fit. Two QBs who dominate time of possession and aren't great play finishers. AD and Lebron were great together because AD is a great play finisher.

LeBron and Luka works like how Harden and CP3 worked. They don't shoot as well but they're bigger and stronger and finish inside better. LeBron has never played with a guy like Luka before. Kyrie had the scoring but not the passing. Wade didn't have the shooting. AD is an off-ball guy.

[tpols]

Makes the Mavs 10x better now.

Defense is about to be super elite.

[Doomsday Dallas]

An AD Lively Gafford frontcourt rotation is super S tier. They're going to bully teams.


We're not going to do $hit but watch the Lakers play Cleveland or Boston in the Finals.


Do we really believe OKC is going to make it to the Finals?

[Doomsday Dallas]

Defense is about to be super elite.

About to be super injured.

They can't all 3 stay healthy

[Axe]

Defense is about to be super elite.
Good luck on getting ad to play as much as possible.

[Neal Romer]

Ya know, AD had been making his pitch to play next to a center recently.

I wonder if the Lakers couldnt see a long term move to make in that regard, and AD's agent identified Dallas as a potential place to quietly make a call to.

Because the thing is, Davis is gonna be around longer than Bron. He might have been looking ahead and not wanting the pressure of being stuck at center with a so-so squad in the most scrutinized market in basketball. Hes a low key guy and I dont think he really wants to be 'the guy' deep down.

The conspiracy theorist in me wonders if Rich Paul made some back door overtures to Dallas about this, and then Dallas approached the Lakers. Nico Harris is close with The James Gang. Theyd trust him to keep it hush if thats what happened.

[tpols]

LeBron and Luka works like how Harden and CP3 worked. They don't shoot as well but they're bigger and stronger and finish inside better. LeBron has never played with a guy like Luka before. Kyrie had the scoring but not the passing. Wade didn't have the shooting. AD is an off-ball guy.

Westbrook. Albeit Luka is way smarter and better. But he's hurt now too. Dallas pulled a heist.

[tpols]

We're not going to do $hit but watch the Lakers play Cleveland or Boston in the Finals.


Do we really believe OKC is going to make it to the Finals?

If chet is back, yes.

[Neal Romer]

Makes the Mavs 10x better now.


If Kyrie stays healthy, maybe.

If he gets hurt, who is gonna bird feed all these bigs? None of them are great at creating their own and that includes Davis. Hes less skilled than I think a lot of people realize. He gets points being bird fed and grabbing offensive rebounds. It's not a knock but thats his game. Still can be very effective. Hes also not much of a playmaker.

Kyrie is gonna be the key to the whole thing. Theyd better pray he stays healthy.

[tpols]

If Kyrie stays healthy, maybe.

If he gets hurt, who is gonna bird feed all these bigs? None of them are great at creating their own and that includes Davis. Hes less skilled than I think a lot of people realize. He gets points being bird fed and grabbing offensive rebounds. It's not a knock but thats his game. Still can be very effective. Hes also not much of a playmaker.

Kyrie is gonna be the key to the whole thing. Theyd better pray he stays healthy.

He averaged 30+ppg in the playoffs with the Pelicans. Dude gets buckets regardless. Obviously if they lose their only other All Star talent to injury they'll sink but you can say that about any team.

[Fallguy20]

The NBA doesn't make sense anymore.
Honestly feels like WWE.

[90sgoat]

I wonder if Luka privately told the Mavericks that he’s done and wants out.

I think that is very obvious and he's been done with Mavs for some time.

Mavs fans have been delusional. The Mavs and their GM's have not been able to put a decent team around him.

Also it seemed obvious to me that Luka would always go to the Lakers, because he is a big time charismatic star that wants the limelight.

He's just been professional about it and not asked for a trade in public.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://media.tenor.com/p-DUHS9p0AQAAAAM/pissed-off-angry-kid.gif

[90sgoat]

Is this the biggest negative surprise for a franchise since Shaq left for LA?

Feels very similar.

[90sgoat]

Rumors on Twitter that LeBron to the Warriors is gaining some traction.

For whom?

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtkbfkmW808

[90sgoat]

LeBron and Luka works like how Harden and CP3 worked. They don't shoot as well but they're bigger and stronger and finish inside better. LeBron has never played with a guy like Luka before. Kyrie had the scoring but not the passing. Wade didn't have the shooting. AD is an off-ball guy.

Luka supposedly was not happy about being asked to play off ball this season, so I don't see how he goes and stands in the corner.

The Lebron to Warriors rumor seem more likely.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Nothing standing between the Lakers and the ship now.

[Nowoco]

I had no to go on about 3 websites and 5 official Twitter accounts before I believed this was real.

The biggest most shocking trade in NBA history. Easily.

[Real Men Wear Green]

This is a great rebuilding move for the Lakers. James and Doncic are an awkward pairing and they are likely worse short-term but Doncic could give them 10 years of contention if he takes care of his body. They really should consider trading James to a contender. They might be able to match OKC for talent with the haul they would get back. James and Doncic could figure it out offensively but neither guy has ever had to play without the ball so that will be an adjustment and someone may be unhappy about it. Maybe even both of them. But the real problem is defense. On paper the Lakers right now are terrible at it. Who is going to protect the rim, Bron? Need to make a second move here.

Dallas initiating this makes me think there's something behind the scenes we don't know about. Doncic put that team on his back and took them to the finals. For them to move on from such a massive talent when he's only 25 is wild. Maybe the new owner didn't want to pay supermax, they don't like his attitude/think he's a poor leader, are really put off by his conditioning...I dont know what it is but I'm expecting for the backstabbing leaks to start soon. With that said, years ago Ainge had wanted to unite Kyrie Irving and Anthony Davis and was ready to trade the Js to get it done. Kind of ironic that the team the Celtics just faced in the finals is going to achieve that vision. They will need Irving to perform like a franchise-leading superstar, a role he only has had for one postseason in his whole career with not-so-great results. But with AD that's a classic inside-outside combo and the Maverick defense on paper just got about 50 million times better. I think they could use another scoring wing but Dallas is going to be interesting if nothing else.

This trade is also great for the NBA. Assuming he doesn't make a stink about it they want stars of Doncic's caliber in LA and New York. Assuming they don't trade James we won't be able to get the Lakers off of our televisions.

[Nowoco]

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense for Dallas.

Luka has issues with his conditioning, attitude and overall leadership. As great as he is, he is unable to stay in shape, stop arguing with refs or whining like a bitch when things aren't going his way. Would you really want to a supermax to someone like that with those reservations? Is he really going to start putting in 100% effort and get ripped when he's making that sort of money? The answer is likely, no. The chances of Luka declining prematurely are far greater than him still being a bonafide superstar into his 30s. He will start picking up more and more injuries too.

Would you really want to roll the dice with your entire franchise on Luka Doncic? I'm not sure I would. With AD they can win right now and for a while if everyone stays healthy. With a team like the Mavs, its always about the here and now. They know it's hard to attract free agents. They're going for it at a time when every other team is beatable. There is no all-conquering juggernaut out there. For those reasons, this isn't a bad move.

[Phoenix]

Yoooooooo what the ****? I JUST saw this on my facebook timeline but I thought it was one of those scam headlines.

WHAT THE ****? Whyyyyy? Howwww?

[Phoenix]

I will say this, though. For all the talk of the next league face, Luka's national profile is about to blow up big-time in that Laker jersey.

This is just....the most from out of left field move I've seen in the NBA in some time. Makes me think Lebron's on the move too, they're blowing it up. But he's not leaving California, which leaves the Warriors and Clippers.

[Nowoco]

Makes me think Lebron's on the move too, they're blowing it up. But he's not leaving California, which leaves the Warriors and Clippers.

I agree he's not leaving California but he has a no trade clause with a player option. He ain't going anywhere unless he says so. It's almost embarrassing for him to have to agree to be shipped off.

IF he is going then it's got to be to the Dubs. We all know with LeBron its always about controlling the narrative. Going there means he can paint it as wanting to play with Steph before he retires rather than being surplus to the Lakers' plans. He would have a much better shot of a chip this season doing that then staying in LA.

[Phoenix]

Is this the biggest negative surprise for a franchise since Shaq left for LA?

Feels very similar.
https://media1.tenor.com/m/rIzRl5dLUaMAAAAC/lebron-james.gif


Cleveland nearly burnt themselves out of existence after this interview.

[Phoenix]

I agree he's not leaving California but he has a no trade clause with a player option. He ain't going anywhere unless he says so. It's almost embarrassing for him to have to agree to be shipped off.

IF he is going then it's got to be to the Dubs. We all know with LeBron its always about controlling the narrative. Going there means he can paint it as wanting to play with Steph before he retires rather than being surplus to the Lakers' plans. He would have a much better shot of a chip this season doing that then staying in LA.

Yeah, the Lebron/Steph pairing has been making the rounds for some time now. So definitely the Dubs if he signs off.....

[talkingconch]

The more I think about this, the more it makes sense for Dallas.

Luka has issues with his conditioning, attitude and overall leadership. As great as he is, he is unable to stay in shape, stop arguing with refs or whining like a bitch when things aren't going his way. Would you really want to a supermax to someone like that with those reservations? Is he really going to start putting in 100% effort and get ripped when he's making that sort of money? The answer is likely, no. The chances of Luka declining prematurely are far greater than him still being a bonafide superstar into his 30s. He will start picking up more and more injuries too.

Would you really want to roll the dice with your entire franchise on Luka Doncic? I'm not sure I would. With AD they can win right now and for a while if everyone stays healthy. With a team like the Mavs, its always about the here and now. They know it's hard to attract free agents. They're going for it at a time when every other team is beatable. There is no all-conquering juggernaut out there. For those reasons, this isn't a bad move.

what

Lakers already got a championship out of the AD trade and after signing Lebron.

100% of the league, when asked if you want Luka for AD, says yes. AD is 31, Luka is 25.

also none of things you mentioned are enough to let someone like Luka go. He still took the team to the finals despite the conditioning, whining, attitude. Unless there is something we don't know yet. Terrible move for Dallas. Huge W for Lakers

Lakers will be in contention for the next decade with this move.

[ILLsmak]

reality is melting.

Practically, tho... a legit trade. Both teams improve. IF AD is on the floor, he might be better than Luka esp if you already have Kyrie. This'll be the first time you see Ky with a legit BIG and his own team. He is gonna show ya something. Luka, I dunno what he's gonna do.

-Smak

[Nowoco]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/rIzRl5dLUaMAAAAC/lebron-james.gif


LeBron's hairline then compared to whatever the hell they put on his head for the Trainwreck movie 5 years later :oldlol:

https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/8qYkxvGLdZuRp3ZUF9ahXU.jpg

[Nowoco]

also none of things you mentioned are enough to let someone like Luka go.

So why did they then? They're aware of all the things that you mentioned but traded him anyway.

[ArbitraryWater]

Most shocking and out no where trade in all my years of watching the NBA.

I still can't believe it.

:roll:


100%.


Complete insanity.

[GOBB]

The one thing glaring in this thread is people undervalue Davis. Lakers traded a lot to get him and benefitted from a NBA championship as a result. Hes an elite two way basketball player. You don’t trade for guys like Anthony Davis and not give up value in return. I’m pretty sure Embiid if traded would fetch back more value than people here think. Yes their availability is of concern but when they are available? You’re looking at the best of the best.


Would I have made the trade? No. What I am saying is Davis is viewed and value differently amongst the NBA than here on ISH. Hes giving you 26ppg (top 10 in lg) 12rpg (6th in lg) 3 assists and adding 2 blocks a game (ranks 3rd). Let’s not act like Lakers gave up a tuna can and should’ve gave up even more. Luka is a great player. He is not Anthony Davis, player player first rd pick great.

[999Guy]

AD was a 3 year window with his age, play style and health. This is preposterous.

Nico Harrison needs to be investigated.

[highwhey]

The one thing glaring in this thread is people undervalue Davis. Lakers traded a lot to get him and benefitted from a NBA championship as a result. Hes an elite two way basketball player. You don’t trade for guys like Anthony Davis and not give up value in return. I’m pretty sure Embiid if traded would fetch back more value than people here think. Yes their availability is of concern but when they are available? You’re looking at the best of the best.


Would I have made the trade? No. What I am saying is Davis is viewed and value differently amongst the NBA than here on ISH. Hes giving you 26ppg (top 10 in lg) 12rpg (6th in lg) 3 assists and adding 2 blocks a game (ranks 3rd). Let’s not act like Lakers gave up a tuna can and should’ve gave up even more. Luka is a great player. He is not Anthony Davis, player player first rd pick great.

you're not wrong, dallas will be a completely different team with ad being their defensive anchor, but both him and kyrie are made out of glass.

[GOBB]

you're not wrong, dallas will be a completely different team with ad being their defensive anchor, but both him and kyrie are made out of glass.

Yep that is the risk. Both are healthy at the same time when it counts. If they are? Sheesh. Dallas is banking in both being available during playoffs which Irving was all last postseason. If we asked ourselves what did Dallas need? It was an Anthony Davis caliber big. But there was no way for them to acquire such a talent. At least we thought. The window is short but when you’re in a win now mode? I get it. We shall see how it plays out.

Shocking trade nonetheless. Didn’t see either being moved nor heard any rumors on either being dealt.

[SouBeachTalents]

Lmao, I come home to see this fvcking news :roll:

I can't even process this move, it's genuinely the most shocking trade I've ever seen.

I wouldn't even be surprised if LeBron gets moved as well.

[Wardell Curry]

I suspect? that LA gets worse short term. Maybe Dallas does too but they have more potential to get better short term depending on chemistry.

Lakers need to dump LeBron, if they can.

[Phoenix]

Lmao, I come home to see this fvcking news :roll:

I can't even process this move, it's genuinely the most shocking trade I've ever seen.

I wouldn't even be surprised if LeBron gets moved as well.

The more I think about it, I feel like this really clears a path for Lebron to GSW. As Nowoco( think that's the name) reminded me, he has a no trade clause. Getting Luka to build around is a great future move but doesn't move LA any closer to a chip this year with how much worse they are defensively now. The Warriors are pretty much stuck in neutral, and Lebron pairing with Steph for like a last hurrah and chance at a title is pretty compelling.

At the macro level, the NBA gets a much needed shot in the arm in ratings if the above materializes in some way.

[Nowoco]

At the macro level, the NBA gets a much needed shot in the arm in ratings if the above materializes in some way.

As someone on ESPN mentioned, Adam Silver still has to approve this trade for it to happen. There is no reason why he wouldnt but he does have to do it.

For the reason you mentioned, he is loving this. Especially if LeBron moves to GSW. It makes three teams absolute box office, even in the RS. A week before the NFL season ends too. It's Christmas come late for Silver.

[Xiao Yao You]

Jazz may have helped minnesota getva playoff spot with this trade and wont get a 2nd lottery pick

[Phoenix]

As someone on ESPN mentioned, Adam Silver still has to approve this trade for it to happen. There is no reason why he wouldnt but he does have to do it.

For the reason you mentioned, he is loving this. Especially if LeBron moves to GSW. It makes three teams absolute box office, even in the RS. A week before the NFL season ends too. It's Christmas come late for Silver.

My youtube feed is flooded with this story from multiple channels so yeah, Xmas come late indeed and even better for him, it's a ratings booster without him scrambling his brain cells coming up with all these bat-shit crazy ideas( the new all-star format, 10 min quarters, etc etc).

[ArbitraryWater]

The more I think about it, I feel like this really clears a path for Lebron to GSW. As Nowoco( think that's the name) reminded me, he has a no trade clause. Getting Luka to build around is a great future move but doesn't move LA any closer to a chip this year with how much worse they are defensively now. The Warriors are pretty much stuck in neutral, and Lebron pairing with Steph for like a last hurrah and chance at a title is pretty compelling.

At the macro level, the NBA gets a much needed shot in the arm in ratings if the above materializes in some way.


So why couldnt they just do that without taking luka from Dallas :oldlol::cry:

[3ba11]

I told you guys it was rigged

Let's look at the facts:

The NBA allows the Lakers to heist AD... Now they coordinate a 5 team deal that gets Luka frieking Doncic... Sandwiched in between the AD and Luka scams are 5 times the transaction activity and 3 times the FT differential.. And the media ignored the DEA catching Lebron's bestie and trainer accessing the premium black market for PED's... Of course, the "decision" means this fraud has been going on for 15 years lol

So fellas, how does it feel to fall for the biggest fraud in sports history?

[Phoenix]

So why couldnt they just do that without taking luka from Dallas :oldlol::cry:

Who are you referring to as 'they' here, as I have a few talking points above. 'They' as in the NBA increasing ratings? Well you're going to have your tin-foil hat stuff in something of this magnitude. I take it all with tablespoons of salt. But the NBA is no doubt looking at the potential storylines and increased interest frothing at the mouth. The league would be very agreeable to the idea of Luka as a Bron replacement on the Lakers. Adam Silver is smiling this morning.

[Wardell Curry]

I told you guys it was rigged

Let's look at the facts:

The NBA allows the Lakers to heist AD... Now they coordinate a 5 team deal that gets Luka frieking Doncic... Sandwiched in between the AD and Luka scams are 5 times the transaction activity and 3 times the FT differential.. And the media ignored the DEA catching Lebron's bestie and trainer accessing the premium black market for PED's... Of course, the "decision" means this fraud has been going on for 15 years lol

So fellas, how does it feel to fall for the biggest fraud in sports history?

Hey crazy person this doesn't help LeBron or the Lakers get better right now. Shut it.

[GOBB]

The bigger story is what is going on with Dallas and Luka for them to trade Luka. What don’t we know? The poor conditioning can’t be the end all be all. Wish I was a fly on the wall when talks of them deciding to move on from Luka were made.

[Hey Yo]

I suspect? that LA gets worse short term. Maybe Dallas does too but they have more potential to get better short term depending on chemistry.

Lakers need to dump LeBron, if they can.

LeBron with the NTC plus says he's ecstatic get to play with Doncic

[3ba11]

LeBron with the NTC plus says he's ecstatic get to play with Doncic


We already saw Lebron with Westbrook so get ready for 2.0

So this was a move for the future, not now.

This was a brilliant move by the Lakers to secure their future

[Phoenix]

The bigger story is what is going on with Dallas and Luka for them to trade Luka. What don’t we know? The poor conditioning can’t be the end all be all. Wish I was a fly on the wall when talks of them deciding to move on from Luka were made.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuC-0xWawxg&ab_channel=NBAonESPN

[GOBB]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuC-0xWawxg&ab_channel=NBAonESPN

So they think Luka is overrated. Yikes

[Wally450]

We already saw Lebron with Westbrook so get ready for 2.0

So this was a move for the future, not now.

This was a brilliant move by the Lakers to secure their future

Who’s we? You said you don’t watch todays NBA.

[Nb1]

So the Mavs just aqcuired the best player in the league and traded a loser ballhogger to LA? Kyrie and AD together? Damn, its a sure win for the Mavs now…

[Real Men Wear Green]

Defense is half the game and Doncic is bad at it. Fans have been ignoring that fact but that fact remains a fact.

But sportscenter is bringing up a valid point. They likely could have gotten a better package than they did. Doncic may have gotten overrated but for trade value that's a good thing. Could they have gotten Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams? Brunson and Towns? Giannis? Maxey and Embiid (ok, maybe they don't want Embiid)? Doncic value is massive, definitely top 5 trade value maybe even top 3. They may have dealt with him as of it was just top 10.

[Nowoco]

The question being asked a lot is "why didnt the Mavs shop him?". My theory on this is that the Mavs didnt want to trade Luka as much as they wanted AD. If the Lakers didnt bite for any reason or asked for too much, they would have kept it quiet and moved on, without Luka knowing about it. They believe that AD is the final piece of the jigsaw, can make them win right now and was attainable.

They were right about the latter, we'll see if they're right about the former.

[Proctor]

Jesus, what in the actual ****? I've never been so dumbstruck by a trade in my life.

That is a mistake for the Mavs make no doubt about it. They just went to the Finals and I honestly had them going back again. They were the one team that seemed to have an answer for OKC.

This is more disappointing than KD to the Warriors or Lebron to Miami for me. Senseless and ridiculous. Oh and congratulations to the Mavs who for all we know just alienated Kyrie as well who has already proven time and time again to be extremely fickle. You've just constructed an entire team around AD. You better hope he doesn't turn back to Day-to-Davis. I like him but wtf?

[1987_Lakers]

Dallas isn't winning shit with AD. They made the Finals last season because of Luka.

[1987_Lakers]

Jesus, what in the actual ****? I've never been so dumbstruck by a trade in my life.

That is a mistake for the Mavs make no doubt about it. They just went to the WCF and I honestly had them going as far or farther this year.. They were the one team that seemed to have an answer for OKC.

Nice edit. :lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

Trading Luka is one thing. But he absolutely should've gotten a better haul than injury prone Anthony Davis and 1 pick. Just a ludicrous, all-time atrocious trade for the Mavs.

Baffling.

Mavs will be a good team though in the short term. Both Kyrie and AD are aging, and they didn't get a haul of picks to build for the future, so essentially they're banking on winning a ring this year which is optimistic bordering on delusional.

[Full Court]

Once again the underperforming Lakers get bailed out before the end of the trade deadline. :roll:

3ball called it.

No excuses now. Tell me they're not title favorites.

[tontoz]

The bigger story is what is going on with Dallas and Luka for them to trade Luka. What don’t we know? The poor conditioning can’t be the end all be all. Wish I was a fly on the wall when talks of them deciding to move on from Luka were made.

Yeah the bottom line is that Dallas gave up on Luka. We will probably find out the details in time it is hard to keep something like that quiet.

[Proctor]

The Mavs will still be a very good team but exactly which one of their players is going to assert themselves enough to dominate a series like Luka does routinely?

This also makes the Lakers roster a bit of a clusterfvck. Is Reaves not redundant with Luka? Why not try to turn Reaves into a haul now?

lol what an absolute shitshow. How do you drastically improve the Mavs roster after a Finals run and then trade your generational talent away...after all that effort to put the 100% perfect roleplayers around him. Thompson, Washington, Lively, Gafford. Most teams are never fortunate enough to build a roster that complementary of eachother.

The balls to pull that trade if you're Nico...jesus christ.

[Keno]

mavs are retarded for this, do they know AD is 31, injury prone and on the tail end of his career? luka is only 25 wtf, they just gave the lakers a future lmao. :lol

lebron and luka about to win 1-2 more, for the culture. :pimp:

[Keno]

luka is reportedly 270lbs and not conditioned, which is insane right now for a guard; lebron is about to show him how it's done & be the best shape of his life, peak luka incoming.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q61ag1BWP0

[GOBB]

Defense is half the game and Doncic is bad at it. Fans have been ignoring that fact but that fact remains a fact.

But sportscenter is bringing up a valid point. They likely could have gotten a better package than they did. Doncic may have gotten overrated but for trade value that's a good thing. Could they have gotten Chet Holmgren and Jalen Williams? Brunson and Towns? Giannis? Maxey and Embiid (ok, maybe they don't want Embiid)? Doncic value is massive, definitely top 5 trade value maybe even top 3. They may have dealt with him as of it was just top 10.

I don’t think Luka value is that great tho. Maxey & Embiid? Nah. Not for a player who is a horrific defensively. Luka for Embiid is fair value. And chances of Luka improving defensively may never happen.

[Phoenix]

luka is reportedly 270lbs and not conditioned, which is insane right now for a guard; lebron is about to show him how it's done & be the best shape of his life, peak luka incoming.

I was watching Luka rookie highlights a month ago and forgot how skinny he was( compared to now).

[ShawkFactory]

Once again the underperforming Lakers get bailed out before the end of the trade deadline. :roll:

3ball called it.

No excuses now. Tell me they're not title favorites.

They just lot someone you proclaimed as a top 5 player. And the best player in the team.

[Proctor]

I guess if Luka is the size of Kenneth Lofton and still refuses to do anything about it, causing his injuries all the time, the trade makes some sense. I think even an out of shape, missing 1/4 or even 1/2 the season Luka is still a more championship level talent than just about anyone they could get for him though.

Do I think the Mavs are in a better position now to win a championship...I don't see it...but they will have a very good and unique team. Just realized they will have AD/Lively/Gafford. Damn that's a grueling, physical frontcourt, and I hope they keep it together and don't just start shipping them out. If the Mavs can unlock Davis like Lakers fans thought Redick had in his early coaching games, Mavs may actually be scary. That is, if they don't alienate Kyrie like they probably already have.

In other news the Nuggets are trading Jokic for Adebayo. :lol

[TheMan]

This is why the Lakers are so hated, they always seem to get other team's superstars. Dumb move by Dallas even if Luka's physical conditioning is a concern, especially as he ages. Best move LA could make is trading Lebron now.

[1987_Lakers]

This is why the Lakers are so hated, they always seem to get other team's superstars. Dumb move by Dallas even if Luka's physical conditioning is a concern, especially as he ages. Best move LA could make is trading Lebron now.

https://assets.sbnation.com/assets/517013/nbalakersfan.gif

[AlternativeAcc.]

I don’t think Luka value is that great tho. Maxey & Embiid? Nah. Not for a player who is a horrific defensively. Luka for Embiid is fair value. And chances of Luka improving defensively may never happen.

Yeah, Luka for Embiid is fair value even though Embiid is 5 years older with zero postseason success, and insanely injury prone.

:roll:

[tpols]

Dallas isn't winning shit with AD. They made the Finals last season because of Luka.

There's very little chance that would've happened again seeing as how the road will be tougher this year than kawhi less clippers, baby OKC, and Timberwolves. Thunder are hitting their prime now and Denver looks amazing.

Luka is fat and out of shape and literally out hurt right now. While AD has been having a monster season. Dallas can load manage him a lot more too because they have Gafford and Lively. Defense is about to take off. They have no weak link anymore and the best paint / rim defense in the league.

[tomtucker]

Luka is a fat sloppy fu*k.... like Zion in New Orleans.

nobody wins this trade!

[StrongLurk]

What a strange trade.

Unless the Lakers make another big move, they just got WAY WORSE in the short term. They already have Bron/Reaves for ball handling, so Luka is redundant AND now the Lakers just lost their ONLY good interior defender/rebounder. Lakers with Luka/Reaves/Bron/Rui/Hayes will be a bottom 3 defense in the league and also bottom 3 at rebounding. They are doing absolutely nothing the rest of the year competition-wise if this is the roster for the rest of the year.

Honestly seems like a crazy blow to Bron too, he's about to retire and the Lakers just said "no more competing for a ring, also we just brought in your replacement".

It's a weird trade from the Mavs perspective too, but at least I could potentially see some benefit since AD brings a lot of different value than Luka and now the Mavericks don't have to pay Luka a huge sum of money when he has conditioning issues and potentially a lot more nagging injuries coming up in his career.

[GOBB]

Yeah, Luka for Embiid is fair value even though Embiid is 5 years older with zero postseason success, and insanely injury prone.

:roll:


*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.

[Full Court]

:roll:

Holy shit, why would the Mavs do this????

Obviously Luka & LeBron is a weird fit, but he's about to retire. Luka is top 5 player in the league and entering his peak

Maybe the Lakers are expecting Lebron to go down for the Diddy thing. :confusedshrug:

[90sgoat]

The question being asked a lot is "why didnt the Mavs shop him?". My theory on this is that the Mavs didnt want to trade Luka as much as they wanted AD. If the Lakers didnt bite for any reason or asked for too much, they would have kept it quiet and moved on, without Luka knowing about it. They believe that AD is the final piece of the jigsaw, can make them win right now and was attainable.

They were right about the latter, we'll see if they're right about the former.

AD is underrated because the lebronies want to act as if Lebron is the best player.

AD at his best is definitely a Finals MVP player.

You can draft 5 times and still not get someone as good.

[AlternativeAcc.]

*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.

Luka averages 31/9/8 in his playoff career and has multiple conference title visits and a finals run at the age of 25 with rosters nobody expected to make it that far.

Embiid, otoh, has a long resume of being injury prone and one of the biggest playoff disappointments in NBA history.

There is not a single educated NBA fan on the planet who thinks a Luka for Embiid trade is "fair value".

[Real Men Wear Green]

I don’t think Luka value is that great tho. Maxey & Embiid? Nah. Not for a player who is a horrific defensively. Luka for Embiid is fair value. And chances of Luka improving defensively may never happen.

We will never know because Dallas targeted Davis instead of opening up the bidding. But if opinions in front office are similar to opinions we see on this board they're would be a lot of GMs that think Doncic is the most talented player in the league. Everyone won't have that view but they only needed one GM with major assets to think that way.

[Neal Romer]

*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.


He didnt do this to the number 1 seed Phoenix Suns in 2022 en route to a conference finals?


https://youtu.be/BsPAVSm2lhs?si=gfR1LQt_FkaGIfTI


Whatever else you wanna say about Luka, the one thing thats undeniable is he has been a playoff KILLER.

Thats not up for dispute between sane individuals.

[GOBB]

Luka averages 31/9/8 in his playoff career and has multiple conference title visits and a finals run at the age of 25 with rosters nobody expected to make it that far.

Embiid, otoh, has a long resume of being injury prone and one of the biggest playoff disappointments in NBA history.

There is not a single educated NBA fan on the planet who thinks a Luka for Embiid trade is "fair value".

The start of your post proves my point. Neither player accomplished any success outside of stats and accolades lol

“Luka carried Dallas to the finals”.

They beat Clippers without its best player.
They beat up on the youngest team in the playoffs
Kudos on the Wolves series

They got a dose of reality vs the Celtics. And one of the things they LACKED in that series they gained in a trade. Go figure that


But continue with the cute espn stat takes “first player to take team at age 25 with 25% body fat to the nba finals while avg over 27ppg”. Kewl!

I don’t care what fans on the planet think. Somehow you know what they think. What a fascinating skill you possess. Why are you here and not on Forbes? You’re sitting on a lottery ticket and afraid to cash in.


You don’t have to agree with me that embiid and Luka is fair value. But here is a fact? Ready for this? Luka was just traded for Anthony Davis. Yikes. That happened. But I’m crazy to think embiid and Luka is for value. Got it.

[Neal Romer]

https://youtu.be/dB9fSqSCOlk?si=oQxjAyJpVUzTJq6g


20 point first quarter in a conference finals closeout game. Against a higher seeded team with the DPOY, 6MoY, and "next MJ".

Damn.

[BallsOut]

*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.

Embiid competes with anyone in the training room? He just ducked Jokic in another DNP this season. That's what 7 matches in a row now? Compete and Embiid just don't belong in the same sentence the way you want it to.

Only NBA player Embidd competes with is Zion with how many rest days and non back to backs they play. Nobody would trade for Embidd. What a terrible bloated contract he only plays in half his games.

[Full Court]

https://youtu.be/dB9fSqSCOlk?si=oQxjAyJpVUzTJq6g


20 point first quarter in a conference finals closeout game. Against a higher seeded team with the DPOY, 6MoY, and "next MJ".

Damn.

The dude can score for sure. The question is will Lebron be willing to be the team's beta and let Luka dominate the ball?

[1987_Lakers]

*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.

:facepalm

[jayfan]

Both teams get worse. Nice.


.

[tontoz]

*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.

Embiid.


Actually Luka got farther in the playoffs than embiid ever had even if you don't include last season. He made the WCF in '22.

[JohnnySic]

LOL. That's all the Mavs could get for Luka? Anthony "empty stats bro" Davis? :oldlol:

Some teams deserve to stay in the toilet.

[AlternativeAcc.]

The start of your post proves my point. Neither player accomplished any success outside of stats and accolades lol

“Luka carried Dallas to the finals”.

They beat Clippers without its best player.
They beat up on the youngest team in the playoffs
Kudos on the Wolves series

They got a dose of reality vs the Celtics. And one of the things they LACKED in that series they gained in a trade. Go figure that


But continue with the cute espn stat takes “first player to take team at age 25 with 25% body fat to the nba finals while avg over 27ppg”. Kewl!

I don’t care what fans on the planet think. Somehow you know what they think. What a fascinating skill you possess. Why are you here and not on Forbes? You’re sitting on a lottery ticket and afraid to cash in.


You don’t have to agree with me that embiid and Luka is fair value. But here is a fact? Ready for this? Luka was just traded for Anthony Davis. Yikes. That happened. But I’m crazy to think embiid and Luka is for value. Got it.

Me explaining that Luka has been a significantly better playoff performer than Embiid individually and has led his teams to more success at a younger age... proves your point?

The fact that you didn't even know Luka made the conference finals a few years ago tells me you're not even qualified to be having a discussion about this shit.

Embarrassing you're even trying. None of the drivel you just wrote out is anything I remotely took seriously on any level, btw.

[ImKobe]

Amazing get for the Lakers though I don't see how they're winning in the short-term unless another trade is in the works here. Bron/Luka/Reaves is a nightmare on defense and now you got no one to protect the rim.

Can't believe we got Luka though I've always rooted for him gonna need a few days or weeks to process this.

[Phoenix]

He didnt do this to the number 1 seed Phoenix Suns in 2022 en route to a conference finals?


https://youtu.be/BsPAVSm2lhs?si=gfR1LQt_FkaGIfTI


Whatever else you wanna say about Luka, the one thing thats undeniable is he has been a playoff KILLER.

Thats not up for dispute between sane individuals.

As of now, 2nd all-time in playoff PPG at 31ppg after 50 games.

[GOBB]

Actually Luka got farther in the playoffs than embiid ever had even if you don't include last season. He made the WCF in '22.

Yeah embiid can’t get past rd 2. Getting a rd further in 22 is cool. Just not a deciding factor in terms of who has more value to me. I forgot the crazy run in 22.

[Carbine]

Me explaining that Luka has been a significantly better playoff performer than Embiid individually and has led his teams to more success at a younger age... proves your point?

The fact that you didn't even know Luka made the conference finals a few years ago tells me you're not even qualified to be having a discussion about this shit.

Embarrassing you're even trying. None of the drivel you just wrote out is anything I remotely took seriously on any level, btw.

Exactly. GOBB needs to STFU, total Embid glazer. So biased towards him it clouds his judgement

[Proctor]

Me explaining that Luka has been a significantly better playoff performer than Embiid individually and has led his teams to more success at a younger age... proves your point?

The fact that you didn't even know Luka made the conference finals a few years ago tells me you're not even qualified to be having a discussion about this shit.

Embarrassing you're even trying. None of the drivel you just wrote out is anything I remotely took seriously on any level, btw.

:roll: :applause:

[GOBB]

Embiid competes with anyone in the training room? He just ducked Jokic in another DNP this season. That's what 7 matches in a row now? Compete and Embiid just don't belong in the same sentence the way you want it to.

Only NBA player Embidd competes with is Zion with how many rest days and non back to backs they play. Nobody would trade for Embidd. What a terrible bloated contract he only plays in half his games.

The comparison was to say Davis and Embiid are always in the training room. Not sure how that went over your head? lol

[GOBB]

Exactly. GOBB needs to STFU, total Embid glazer. So biased towards him it clouds his judgement

That must be your alt account. Haven’t seen you around until know. You dudes are weird. Probably socially awkward as all hell in the real world.

[Phoenix]

As an aside, reportedly this is the first time two all-NBA players(I'm taking that to mean as of the most recently concluded season) have been traded mid-season. Which is an amazing fact if true, and really hammers home the point that this is very much a historic trade.

[StrongLurk]

Amazing get for the Lakers though I don't see how they're winning in the short-term unless another trade is in the works here. Bron/Luka/Reaves is a nightmare on defense and now you got no one to protect the rim.

Can't believe we got Luka though I've always rooted for him gonna need a few days or weeks to process this.

It's amazing for Lakers fans long term. Terrible for the Bron stans this year.

But I made the same post. As currently structured, Lakers are trash now since they would easily be one of the worst defensive and rebounding teams in the league with huge redundancy of offense since Lebron/Reaves already had the offense under control and now Luka takes that up.

[ImKobe]

It's amazing for Lakers fans long term. Terrible for the Bron stans this year.

But I made the same post. As currently structured, Lakers are trash now since they would easily be one of the worst defensive and rebounding teams in the league with huge redundancy of offense since Lebron/Reaves already had the offense under control and now Luka takes that up.

Yeah and the 2nd unit with Bron was struggling to hold leads as is, and how long is gonna take for Luka to get back to where he was last year? Lakers are in a good position seeding-wise right now but they're probably gonna lose some games here until they figure this thing out. I have to imagine we're getting another trade here before the deadline to make this Bron-Doncic combo work.

[SouBeachTalents]

Can you imagine criticizing Luka's playoff track record as an EMBIID fan

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qqg9FnZrw&ab_channel=ESPN

Bring up the bubble all you want, but this is genuinely a more impressive performance than Embiid's ever had in the playoffs, and he did it at 21.

[1987_Lakers]

Can you imagine criticizing Luka's playoff track record as an EMBIID fan

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qqg9FnZrw&ab_channel=ESPN

Bring up the bubble all you want, but this is genuinely a more impressive performance than Embiid's ever had in the playoffs, and he did it at 21.

Gobb has proven to be out of touch with today's league time and time again.

[StrongLurk]

Yeah and the 2nd unit with Bron was struggling to hold leads as is, and how long is gonna take for Luka to get back to where he was last year? Lakers are in a good position seeding-wise right now but they're probably gonna lose some games here until they figure this thing out. I have to imagine we're getting another trade here before the deadline to make this Bron-Doncic combo work.

Even if the Lakers get a rotational level big man, they will still suck and clearly got worse than before. They literally just needed a good back up C with AD and they become legit title contenders.

I have no idea what's possible for next year, but maybe they do have plans to rebuild their big man lineup and actually get a starting caliber PF and Center somehow. Then I could see this team become interesting next year, but as things stand this year, they are trash unless they can get a very good replacement for AD.

[Neal Romer]

Can you imagine criticizing Luka's playoff track record as an EMBIID fan

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qqg9FnZrw&ab_channel=ESPN

Bring up the bubble all you want, but this is genuinely a more impressive performance than Embiid's ever had in the playoffs, and he did it at 21.

Look who's out there on the floor with him.

Tim Hardaway Jr.
Seth Curry.
Boban.
:lol

And hes out there schooling prime Kawhi and PG.

Meanwhile up in Philly reporters are making Embiid cry :roll:

[Phoenix]

Yeah embiid can’t get past rd 2. Getting a rd further in 22 is cool. Just not a deciding factor in terms of who has more value to me. I forgot the crazy run in 22.

What would be the deciding factor then, based on how their careers have played out?

[GOBB]

Can you imagine criticizing Luka's playoff track record as an EMBIID fan

:roll:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0qqg9FnZrw&ab_channel=ESPN

Bring up the bubble all you want, but this is genuinely a more impressive performance than Embiid's ever had in the playoffs, and he did it at 21.

Luka has had some playoff moments for sure. Moreso than Embiid. When it comes to production Luka has him there. When I see the word “success” I attribute that to winning. 29-30 is embiid and 25-25 is Luka. I forgot about the playoff run where he looked like the euro Bron. He is a top performer when it comes to the playoffs whereas Embiid has had dud moments. No comparison there. Luka was just traded for Davis. Davis is not better than Embiid. Davis has same injury woes as Embiid. Ijs

[GOBB]

What would be the deciding factor then, based on how their careers have played out?

It would be age. Embiid is in his prime and that window is closing. Luka has another 6 seasons before we start questioning if he’s on a decline. But this is me not factoring in his health (weight/conditioning/injury). His age makes me sweep that stuff under the rug until his age doesn’t anymore.

[GOBB]

Gobb has proven to be out of touch with today's league time and time again.

The difference between me and you beta males here is I can admit being wrong, making an error etc and owning it. You on the other hand will spin like a figure skater because your pride won’t allow such a thing. I’ve seen me box you in a corner and you try to weasel your way out. Instead of owning you were got and be done with it. I lose absolutely nothing by leaving out Luka WC appearance. You dude are too fragile you’d argue around it.

[Chick Stern]

17 years to the day of the Gasol trade

[coin24]

Embiid forgets how to play in the playoffs, the big shrivel.
Routinely gets abused by guys like al horford and bricks layups :lol

As if anyone would trade anything of value for that dud. Career loser and a joke.

Lakers got their new franchise player for the next decade. WTF drugs are the mavs on. When glass man Davis is on he’s great, that’s only half the time though at best. Usually he’s injured or playing like a pu.ss
Must be something else going on

[1987_Lakers]

The difference between me and you beta males here is I can admit being wrong, making an error etc and owning it. You on the other hand will spin like a figure skater because your pride won’t allow such a thing. I’ve seen me box you in a corner and you try to weasel your way out. Instead of owning you were got and be done with it. I lose absolutely nothing by leaving out Luka WC appearance. You dude are too fragile you’d argue around it.

Other way around buddy. Remember when I posted a list from 2010 and you thought it was current? :oldlol:

[StrongLurk]

It is definitely odd that Nico went STRAIGHT to Pelinka to target AD. Nico knows both Pelinka and AD well. Definitely could be some level of collusion here.

OR, the Mavs this Luka will be a load managed, out of shape, injury proned player for the rest of his career and the Mavs don't want to pay a supermax for a player like this.

Just...wow.

[1987_Lakers]

I think this is fake news. Someone bit on a bad source.

Makes no sense for Dallas to do this.

Has anyone checked on this guy? Hasn't been seen since.

[GOBB]

Other way around buddy. Remember when I posted a list from 2010 and you thought it was current? :oldlol:

Remember when you posted your “goats” they were lackluster in the playoffs? One of which you never seen play in person (Jim brown)? Or how you didn’t have Emmitt in your top 5 rb all time even tho he is the career leader in rushing yards, tds for RBs in the regular and post season? Even tho your arguments were based on that plus pointing out who blocked better (Emmitt was one of the best doing that btw). Nowhere to be found. Bunch of spin cycles on how your top RBs of all time came up short in the postseason for a career. Yanno since you can’t comprehend being the best ever at a position isn’t solely based on postseason success.

Yeah I dog walked you and you moved the goal posts so much. It was funny to watch.

[1987_Lakers]

Remember when you posted your “goats” they were lackluster in the playoffs? One of which you never seen play in person (Jim brown)? Or how you didn’t have Emmitt in your top 5 rb all time even tho he is the career leader in rushing yards, tds for RBs in the regular and post season? Even tho your arguments were based on that plus pointing out who blocked better (Emmitt was one of the best doing that btw). Nowhere to be found. Bunch of spin cycles on how your top RBs of all time came up short in the postseason for a career. Yanno since you can’t comprehend being the best ever at a position isn’t solely based on postseason success.

Yeah I dog walked you and you moved the goal posts so much. It was funny to watch.

I remember you calling LT a poor playoff performer while not knowing he was injured for two playoff runs in his prime, then you then kept moving the goal posts to other running backs which I continued to make a fool out of you.

Good times.

[fourkicks44]

Embiid forgets how to play in the playoffs, the big shrivel.
Routinely gets abused by guys like al horford and bricks layups :lol

As if anyone would trade anything of value for that dud. Career loser and a joke.

Lakers got their new franchise player for the next decade. WTF drugs are the mavs on. When glass man Davis is on he’s great, that’s only half the time though at best. Usually he’s injured or playing like a pu.ss
Must be something else going on

To be fair, so did Luka in 2023.

It aint been all peaches and cream.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It is definitely odd that Nico went STRAIGHT to Pelinka to target AD. Nico knows both Pelinka and AD well. Definitely could be some level of collusion here.

OR, the Mavs this Luka will be a load managed, out of shape, injury proned player for the rest of his career and the Mavs don't want to pay a supermax for a player like this.

Just...wow.
If they couldn't make a deal they wouldn't want it to get out that they had offered Doncic. That's one of the benefits of doing a trade with a friendly front office,

[GOBB]

I remember you calling LT a poor playoff performer while not knowing he was injured for two playoff runs in his prime, then you then kept moving the goal posts to other running backs which I continued to make a fool out of you.

Good times.

131 carries for 468 yards (3.5ypc ewwww) 7 touchdowns in his career for Tomlinson

66 carries 241yds 1td 3.7ypc in playoffs for Jim Brown. Your 2nd best rb of all time.

You disappeared so fast supporting this. Great time. Heard they named a hill after you from dying on it so much

[ArbitraryWater]

*scrolls*

What post season success does Luka have exactly? First rd exits until last season.


Injury prone? The guy is a fat American and he’s not American. Explain that to me.

Defense? About as non existent as Embiid in a back to back.


When you list the top 5 players in the NBA past 2-3 seasons Luka and Embiid are mentioned. How you rank them? That is on you. Both aren’t winners of anything besides stats and accolades. One is younger and competed with Zion on the scale. The other compete with Anthony Davis in the training room.

Preference and personal bias aside. Luka vslue is not more than Embiid. Certainly not Maxey and Embiid.




Your inherent bias/racism is showing.

[GOBB]

Your inherent bias/racism is showing.

This coming from you? Hold my beer while I laugh uncontrollably.


No racism being showed on my end. Just selective reading by your as always. Luka was just traded for Anthony Davis. But me saying I think Luka for embiid is fair trade value? I’m racist. Got it.

[ArbitraryWater]

LOL. That's all the Mavs could get for Luka? Anthony "empty stats bro" Davis? :oldlol:

Some teams deserve to stay in the toilet.


What toilet dummie? Mavs have been very successful for 2.5 decades.

[warriorfan]

gobb is literally the worst poster of all time :lol

[1987_Lakers]

131 carries for 468 yards (3.5ypc ewwww) 7 touchdowns in his career for Tomlinson

66 carries 241yds 1td 3.7ypc in playoffs for Jim Brown. Your 2nd best rb of all time.

You disappeared so fast supporting this. Great time. Heard they named a hill after you from dying on it so much

LT at his peak and healthy ripped up the Patriots in the playoffs, had 2 touchdowns in that game alone, better than anything Barry did in the Playoffs.

Btw, you do know back in Jim Brown's day there was no playoffs right? The two best teams with the best record just met in the championship once the regular season was over. And in his championship game in 1964 where they won, he led all players in scrimmage yards.

Barry's only touchdown in his playoff career came late in the 4th quarter when the game was already over. Had one playoff game where he rushed for -1 yards. LOL

[ArbitraryWater]

This coming from you? Hold my beer while I laugh uncontrollably.


No racism being showed on my end. Just selective reading by your as always. Luka was just traded for Anthony Davis. But me saying I think Luka for embiid is fair trade value? I’m racist. Got it.


Trying to make luka look like some average playoff performer indistinguishable from Embiid is absurdly moronic and one of the worst takes ever.

[GOBB]

LT at his peak and healthy ripped up the Patriots in the playoffs, had 2 touchdowns in that game alone, better than anything Barry did in the Playoffs.

Btw, you do know back in Jim Brown's day there was no playoffs right? The two best teams with the best record just met in the championship once the regular season was over. And in his championship game in 1964 where they won, he led all players in scrimmage yards.

Barry's only touchdown in his playoff career came late in the 4th quarter when the game was already over. Had one playoff game where he rushed for -1 yards. LOL

Scrimmage yards hahahaa professional moved ladies and gents. Shocked you said during the game he blocked great. Even better than both teams OL. Man you’re slipping bud.


Tomlinson 3.6ypc for a career in postseason. Shame.

[1987_Lakers]

Your inherent bias/racism is showing.

Dude said Brooks was better than Reaves last season, he has since tried to weasel his way out of that statement.

[GOBB]

I tried to make it about race and you showed me the mirror. Good job

No problem.

[1987_Lakers]

Scrimmage yards hahahaa professional moved ladies and gents. Shocked you said during the game he blocked great. Even better than both teams OL. Man you’re slipping bud.


Tomlinson 3.6ypc for a career in postseason. Shame.

Laughing at scrimmage yards, lol.

Nuff said.

[GOBB]

Dude said Brooks was better than Reaves last season, he has since tried to weasel his way out of that statement.

Never once said it. Thread still exists. Pull it up and post. Should be easy.

[GOBB]

Laughing at scrimmage yards, lol.

Nuff said.

Proving my point. Beta males protecting their pride. Just can’t own being wrong, being one upped, making errors. Hahahaha Fragile goods, handle with care

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.enworld.org/media/moving-goalpost-gif.135798/full

lol

[AlternativeAcc.]

The difference between me and you beta males here is I can admit being wrong, making an error etc and owning it. You on the other hand will spin like a figure skater because your pride won’t allow such a thing. I’ve seen me box you in a corner and you try to weasel your way out. Instead of owning you were got and be done with it. I lose absolutely nothing by leaving out Luka WC appearance. You dude are too fragile you’d argue around it.

Cringe post of the year right here. The lack of self-awareness is astounding. :lol

All you've done is argue braindead points across multiple sports and NEVER admit to being wrong. You're the prideful idiot you're describing.

[GOBB]

Im hiding on a message board. My socks are very yellow. Nothing weird with me though.

Yikes

[1987_Lakers]

Cringe post of the year right here. The lack of self-awareness is astounding. :lol

All you've done is argue braindead points across multiple sports and NEVER admit to being wrong. You're the prideful idiot you're describing.

Truer words have never been spoken.

[ArbitraryWater]

No matter if its Nfl or Nba, everyone disagrees with just about everything gobb says.


Dude is having to fight wars on all fronts lmao.

[Wally450]

Still can’t believe this trade actually happened. I actually don’t think the Mavs look that bad on paper tbh. I wonder if they’re looking to move Gaffoed or Lively before the deadline.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Yikes

Yikes indeed. Now you're acting like a 5 year old because your sports takes are atrocious and I call you out for not having a clue what you're talking about.

You could've admitted to being off-base, but instead doubled down on nonsense. Just thought it was hilariously ironic for you to try to concoct a narrative about yourself not having pride and having no problem admitting to being wrong when everybody knows the opposite is true. The last few pages is you throwing tantrums because your ego is bruised by people pointing out all the stupid shit you say. :roll:

[GOBB]

The good thing about alts is I can avoid conflict. I’m playing with house money really. I also have been obsessed with typing lol and adding an emoji to really drive home my posts.’

Weird bud.

[Phoenix]

Still can’t believe this trade actually happened. I actually don’t think the Mavs look that bad on paper tbh. I wonder if they’re looking to move Gaffoed or Lively before the deadline.

Doubt it. AD wants to line up at the 4 and he'll do so next to both of those guys.

[1987_Lakers]

Doubt it. AD wants to line up at the 4 and he'll do so next to both of those guys.

Yea, AD has stated for years he wants to go back to the 4. Mavs will try to make him happy.

[tpols]

Still can’t believe this trade actually happened. I actually don’t think the Mavs look that bad on paper tbh. I wonder if they’re looking to move Gaffoed or Lively before the deadline.

AD complained about playing the 5 so that's very doubtful. They need both as insurance in case one gets hurt. Which seems to always happen.

[AlternativeAcc.]

Weird bud.

As fun as it is to shatter your ego and make you look like a dumbass on a personal level, I'd be happy to go back to the Luka/Embiid debate. although it looks like you've abandoned that out of shame and would rather play whatever low IQ, immature angle you're desperately clinging to here.

[GOBB]

As fun as it is to shatter your ego and make you look like a dumbass on a personal level, I'd be happy to go back to the Luka/Embiid debate. although it looks like you've abandoned that out of shame and would rather play whatever low IQ, immature angle you're desperately clinging to here.

Luka was traded for Davis. Davis is not better than Embiid. Luka for Embiid is fair value straight up. I wouldn’t include another star player as mentioned n an earlier post. Hence why we are even here. You don’t have to agree. I don’t agree with your existence. But alas you’re here…

[AlternativeAcc.]

Luka was traded for Davis. Davis is not better than Embiid. Luka for Embiid is fair value straight up. I wouldn’t include another star player as mentioned n an earlier post. Hence why we are even here. You don’t have to agree. I don’t agree with your existence. But alas you’re here…

Yeah dummy, hence all the outrage over the trade. Nobody thinks it was fair value. And certainly nobody would think it's fair value if it was Embiid straight up for Luka. Not a single person... except you apparently.

You can disagree with not adding another star to the package while also still not thinking luke for embiid is fair value. They are not mutually exclusive opinions, so another irrelevant tangent.

So, now that it's obvious your opinion is stupid and invalid and not a single person agrees with you, when will you admit to being wrong and taking it on the chin like you claimed you have no problem doing?

[GOBB]

here I go baiting you into a “civil” convo but my true intentions were to throw an emotional tirade. It’s that time of the month and you are catching it. Blame the heavy flow. I win you lose? Admit it? Own it?

Seek therapy asap.

[Carbine]

This shit is funny as hell. Keep going GOBB, dig that hole even deeper.

[GOBB]

This shit is funny as hell. Keep going GOBB, dig that hole even deeper.

Nothing more funnier than watching you at the Lounge beg for approval. Wanting to fit in. And still getting rejected. I know that stung. A board where people are chill, shooting the shyt. Yanno lounging and vibing. And you still can’t get accepted there. lol What did they call you over there? Ahhhh yes Fagbine. I admit I felt bad. Like damn he’s trying guys lighten up. Now THAT is funny.

[Proctor]

GOBB gets owned more than any poster here that I can think of. Self inflicted no less.

I wanna see the ramifications of this trade badly but sucks the abyss of the All Star Game is approaching with all that time off. Total waste of time and space.

[coin24]

Luka was traded for Davis. Davis is not better than Embiid. Luka for Embiid is fair value straight up. I wouldn’t include another star player as mentioned n an earlier post. Hence why we are even here. You don’t have to agree. I don’t agree with your existence. But alas you’re here…

Davis is a million times better than embeta wtf are you on about

[AlternativeAcc.]

Seek therapy asap.

Your way of having a civil convo is saying you disagree with my existence? But saying you have a stupid opinion is taking it too far and I need therapy?

:roll:

[GOBB]

Davis is a million times better than embeta wtf are you on about

No he’s not. Embiid is better.

[ArbitraryWater]

Davis is a million times better than embeta wtf are you on about

No, lol. Davis is the same.

[tpols]

No, lol. Davis is the same.

ADs playoff numbers blow Embiids out the water. On paper they seem similar but that's not what played out in our shared reality.

[ILLsmak]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10153150-nba-insider-luka-doncic-ineligible-for-345m-supermax-contract-after-lakers-trade

Ehh.

-Smak

[Neal Romer]

It depends what you want/what the measure is.

As a guy you go through? Embiid is clearly the more skilled, more dominant player.

In terms of toughness in the paint? Lobs, offensive rebounds, finishing through contact etc AD *can* bring more of that than Embiid, altho he doesnt always actually do it.

Davis really doesnt have a ton of skill in the post. He's not a great shooter, not a great passer, his footwork is a bit clumsy. He really plays more like Drummond, but with average touch and some range, instead of poor touch and no range.

So it just depends whether you want a three level scorer or a bully in the paint. Thats basically the difference. Both elite defenders, both injury prone. It's probably gonna be contingent on what the rest of your team looks like. I dont think AD being *better* than Embiid when both healthy is a serious argument, but if you really like AD and want to lean on the subjective nature of it, you could argue he's roughly on Embiid's level in terms of impact in your opinion. I would take Embiid.

That said, I'm just talking basketball in a vacuum. When you talk about psychological fragility and how thats going to bode in the postseason long term, Embiid definitely loses some ground.

[Xiao Yao You]

If they couldn't make a deal they wouldn't want it to get out that they had offered Doncic. That's one of the benefits of doing a trade with a friendly front office,

The benefits are outweiged by ending up with devin harris, favors and kanter for your best player

[tpols]

It depends what you want/what the measure is.

As a guy you go through? Embiid is clearly the more skilled, more dominant player.

In terms of toughness in the paint? Lobs, offensive rebounds, finishing through contact etc AD *can* bring more of that than Embiid, altho he doesnt always actually do it.

Davis really doesnt have a ton of skill in the post. He's not a great shooter, not a great passer, his footwork is a bit clumsy. He really plays more like Drummond, but with average touch and some range, instead of poor touch and no range.

So it just depends whether you want a three level scorer or a bully in the paint. Thats basically the difference. Both elite defenders, both injury prone. It's probably gonna be contingent on what the rest of your team looks like. I dont think AD being *better* than Embiid when both healthy is a serious argument, but if you really like AD and want to lean on the subjective nature of it, you could argue he's roughly on Embiid's level in terms of impact in your opinion. I would take Embiid.

That said, I'm just talking basketball in a vacuum. When you talk about psychological fragility and how thats going to bode in the postseason long term, Embiid definitely loses some ground.

Embiids game has fallen off in the playoffs way too many times while ADs has been extremely productive and efficient offensively with good to great defense. Why? Embiid seems to be more of a mental midget. The playoff numbers disparity is huge.

[Norcaliblunt]

This is a perfect example of how the off the court stuff is way more entertaining than the actual games.

This sparks attention because of the soap opera drama weird speculation aspect.

The only thing keeping the NBA alive is this type of trade / free agent drama crap.

[Chick Stern]

It is definitely odd that Nico went STRAIGHT to Pelinka to target AD. Nico knows both Pelinka and AD well. Definitely could be some level of collusion here.

OR, the Mavs this Luka will be a load managed, out of shape, injury proned player for the rest of his career and the Mavs don't want to pay a supermax for a player like this.

Just...wow.

I think the more likely scenario is that the Mavs realized Luka was probably walking and decided to trade early.

[1987_Lakers]

Mavs GM got played.

Apparently Pelinka & Nico first discussed the trade over coffee. Pelinka planted the seeds. Mavs GM even said the new owner laughed at him when he first told him about the trade idea.

Also seems like the Mavs traded with the Lakers because Nico knew Pelinka personally and he trusted him that none of this trade talk would be leaked to the media.

[Norcaliblunt]

Mavs GM got played.

Apparently Pelinka & Nico first discussed the trade over coffee. Pelinka planted the seeds. Mavs GM even said the new owner laughed at him when he first told him about the trade idea.

Also seems like the Mavs traded with the Lakers because Nico knew Pelinka personally and he trusted him that none of this trade talk would be leaked to the media.


Seems like the NBA is rigged just like the American government.

What is Trumps opinion on this? Being that he is a smart businessman, why does he think Luka was traded for street clothes?

Because in reality Trumps opinion on things is what matters.

Or it just could’ve been rigged like everything in republic America.

[Xiao Yao You]

Seems like the NBA is rigged just like the American government.

What is Trumps opinion on this? Being that he is a smart businessman, why does he think Luka was traded for street clothes?

Because in reality Trumps opinion on things is what matters.

Or it just could’ve been rigged like everything in republic America.

:facepalm

[taabhimself]

Mavs bout to have negative spacing

[999Guy]

Good lord what an unmitigated disaster.

Pelinka is still a shit GM. He has zero scouting ability. They have to have some sniper scouts in their front office to draft so well, but as far foster construction through established players, Pelinka is a joke.

And he got gifted Luka. We won’t even ****ing see Luka’s true potential. He’ll have different head coaches year after year and absolute shit for support.

This actually puts his on-court career back years. There was a build up in Dallas. They figured out a formula. Kidd, Kyrie, those athletic bigs, their sharp shooters.

It was a team naturally crafted around Luka. LA has no shooters, no roll bigs, no defenders, and no flexibility. This legitimately makes the entire NBA product worse, and for years.

[Axe]

All you've done is argue braindead points across multiple sports and NEVER admit to being wrong. You're the prideful idiot you're describing.
No.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?827668-Full-Court

[eliteballer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LA0_FFNwSBE

[red1]

leLuka!!

raptors finna trade poeltl to the lakers and its a wrap. give us austin reaves and its a deal. good trade for both teams.


luka going to carry leGOAT to his 5th ring :oldlol:

[Full Court]

So who's going to be ok playing second fiddle, Lebron or Luka? Or do neither accept that role, and we have a clash of egos?

I have to think Luka's got more leverage here.

[Druckenmiller]

Nico is a Lakers/Klutch double agent.

The press conference with J Kidd looked like a hostage video.

[Neal Romer]

So who's going to be ok playing second fiddle, Lebron or Luka? Or do neither accept that role, and we have a clash of egos?

I have to think Luka's got more leverage here.


Shit, Lebron's been TRYING to apprentice AD for the alpha role for five years, but until this year Davis was never consistently assertive. Clearly wont be an issue with Doncic.

[Chick Stern]

Good lord what an unmitigated disaster.

Pelinka is still a shit GM. He has zero scouting ability. They have to have some sniper scouts in their front office to draft so well, but as far foster construction through established players, Pelinka is a joke.

And he got gifted Luka. We won’t even ****ing see Luka’s true potential. He’ll have different head coaches year after year and absolute shit for support.

This actually puts his on-court career back years. There was a build up in Dallas. They figured out a formula. Kidd, Kyrie, those athletic bigs, their sharp shooters.

It was a team naturally crafted around Luka. LA has no shooters, no roll bigs, no defenders, and no flexibility. This legitimately makes the entire NBA product worse, and for years.

He’s the shit GM who completed the greatest trade of all time, completely under the radar.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't see Luka changing his attitude or his work-ethic in L.A. In my opinion, nothing changes. Only that L.A. has to deal with the headache now.