Has LeBron had the most help of any All-Time Great ever?

[IllegalD]

At this point it's completely ridiculous:

Luka Doncic
Dwayne Wade
Anthony Davis
Kyrie Irving
Chris Bosh
Kevin Love
Ray Allen
Russell Westbrook
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Rajon Rondo
Mo Williams
Antawn Jamison
D'Angelo Russell
Larry Hughes
Kyle Korver
JR Smith
Shane Battier
Mike Miller
Alex Caruso

Meanwhile, the greatest teammate Jordan ever had: Pippen...

[3ba11]

Easily... Lebron's legacy will be that he played with million All-stars, All-NBA players, and HOF's but only won 4 chips in 22 seasons

[Lebron23]

Most of them are past his prime.

[Im so nba'd out]

At this point it's completely ridiculous:

Luka Doncic(we will find out soon....)
Dwayne Wade (washed)
Anthony Davis
Kyrie Irving
Chris Bosh (meh.....i guess he was cool on defense)
Kevin Love (overrated)
Ray Allen (washed)
Russell Westbrook (washed)
Zydrunas Ilgauskas
Rajon Rondo (1 good year)
Mo Williams (playoff shrinker)
Antawn Jamison (washed)
D'Angelo Russell (why did you even list him?)
Larry Hughes (passive aggressive hater and team saboteur)
Kyle Korver (running short on names huh OP?
JR Smith (Arthur fist meme)
Shane Battier (washed)
Mike Miller (washed)
Alex Caruso (OP you are pathetic....)

Meanwhile, the greatest teammate Jordan ever had: Pippen...


his help is severely overrated

[Wardell Curry]

Based on your criteria of dishonestly evaluating the situation for numerous reasons, it would probably have to be Shaquille O'Neal.

Who also should have been on your dishonest LeBron list, lol.

[bullettooth]

You'd have to a complete ****ing retard to think he hasn't.

[tpols]

Shaq mightve played with more.

Kobe
Wade
Penny
Nash
Lebron
Pierce
Ray
Ŕondo
Garnett
Horry

And a bunch of other All Stars I didn't even name.

[SouBeachTalents]

I think I'd go with KD, and unlike the other examples being used he actually played with all these guys while he and they were essentially in prime form

Westbrook
Curry
Klay
Dray
Harden
Kyrie
Booker
Beal

[Kblaze8855]

At least 10 the names they are just make it look like you’re being unreasonable. Your name doesn’t play basketball. And some of the names aren’t even worth listing. Shane Batier was a good player. He doesn’t belong on anybody legendary “help” list. A memorable hot shooting night or two, and some good but declined with age defense doesn’t mean a guy who shot 29% overall and 30% from three on a title run is some kind of noteworthy assistance.

you have people on there who played in the NBA for 17 years and in all that time only started 16 total games with LeBron.

this point can be made without that kind of desperation.

[ShawkFactory]

At least 10 the names they are just make it look like you’re being unreasonable. Your name doesn’t play basketball. And some of the names aren’t even worth listing. Shane Batier was a good player. He doesn’t belong on anybody legendary “help” list. A memorable hot shooting night or two, and some good but declined with age defense doesn’t mean a guy who shot 29% overall and 30% from three on a title run is some kind of noteworthy assistance.

you have people on there who played in the NBA for 17 years and in all that time only started 16 total games with LeBron.

this point can be made without that kind of desperation.

Came in to say something similar..

You completely devalue your own point by naming the last 10+ guys there. Caruso and Lebron played literally 9 basketball games together.

[Full Court]

By far. Even if you take out some of the ones considered unreasonable, nobody else comes close.

Nobody in the history of the sport has achieved less with more.

[IllegalD]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gi0tcraagAAc94-?format=jpg&name=large

[IllegalD]

The amount of excuses being made by some in this thread is pathetic.

Take LeBron's best teammates and build a team without him (see image above) and you would have one of the most stacked teams ever and they would win dynasty-number of championships.

And the image above doesn't even include Kevin Love and Ray Allen.

And before you start making lame excuses, Ray is the only one in that bunch that was past his prime. But he still hit one of the greatest shots in NBA Finals history to help LeBron.

[AlternativeAcc.]

He's played for several different franchises and has had to create culture from the ground up multiple times. So he's played with a wider selection of players naturally.. but that means absolutely nothing. Ideally you would want to play with the same star for 10+ years like Jordan/Pippen. No restarting with other teams and players. Bron didn't have that luxury.

And the fact that he's still good enough 20 years into his career where his teams are still able to make moves and possibly make a title run is a massive boost to his legacy.

You have an extremely low IQ.

[jlip]

I remember Magic Johnson bragging about the Lakers having three MVP caliber players on the team during a post game interview during the 1982 Finals with him, Kareem, and MaAdoo.

[3ba11]

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Unprecedented Help


1) 6 straight preseason favorites (11-16')

2) Sidekick outplaying league MVP

3) 3 franchise players from same conference teaming up


The media's fraud was pretending that this unprecedented advantage wasn't something that needed to be overcome with another unprecedented advantage (KD's Warriors).. They pretended that Lebron's teams were normal and KD was stacking the deck, when in reality the deck was already stacked by Lebron, so KD was just responding in kind.

[1987_Lakers]

LeBron played with trash the first 7 years of his career and in 2018 & 2019.

Magic played with stacked teams from his rookie year up until he retired.

Kareem
Worthy
Wilkes
McAdoo
Cooper
Nixon
Scott
Klay's Dad
Divac
Perkins
Green

[Full Court]

LeBron played with trash the first 7 years of his career and in 2018 & 2019.

Magic played with stacked teams from his rookie year up until he retired.

Kareem
Worthy
Wilkes
McAdoo
Cooper
Nixon
Scott
Klay's Dad
Divac
Perkins
Green

Lol. Lebron's had waaaayyyyy more stacked teams, and it's not even close.

[IllegalD]

LeBron played with trash the first 7 years of his career and in 2018 & 2019.

Magic played with stacked teams from his rookie year up until he retired.

Kareem
Worthy
Wilkes
McAdoo
Cooper
Nixon
Scott
Klay's Dad
Divac
Perkins
Green

Who gives a sh*t about Magic? The GOAT discussion is between MJ and LeBron according to you weirdos. And LeBron’s help beats Jordan’s easily.

Imagine playing for longer with way better help and still winning less and losing more finals…

[1987_Lakers]

Lol. Lebron's had waaaayyyyy more stacked teams, and it's not even close.

Just saying something without backing it up is pointless.

Magic came into the league with his teammate Kareem winning MVP and two other teammates being all-star level. They were so deep at one point that both Cooper & McAdoo were candidates for 6MOY.

Their depth got a little worse by the late 80's when Kareem was on his last legs & Magic transformed into bonified superstar, but he still had Worthy dropping a 30 point triple double in a game 7 of the Finals. They also had B Scott giving them 20 points a night.

McAdoo was basically a 20 ppg player on any other team and a former MVP coming off the bench for them.

[1987_Lakers]

Who gives a sh*t about Magic? The GOAT discussion is between MJ and LeBron according to you weirdos.

Title of this thread is "All-time greats" you dimwit.

[Full Court]

Just saying something without backing it up is pointless.

Magic came into the league with his teammate Kareem winning MVP and two other teammates being all-star level. They were so deep at one point that both Cooper & McAdoo were candidates for 6MOY.

Their depth got a little worse by the late 80's when Kareem was on his last legs & Magic transformed into bonified superstar, but he still had Worthy dropping a 30 point triple double in a game 7 of the Finals. They also had B Scott giving them 20 points a night.

McAdoo was basically a 20 ppg player on any other team and a former MVP coming off the bench for them.

Backing it up?

:biggums:

Did you read the OP? His list blows your list out of the water. Lol. Nice try.

[1987_Lakers]

Backing it up?

:biggums:

Did you read the OP? His list blows your list out of the water. Lol. Nice try.

Yea, I read it, a list with Kyle Korver :oldlol:

If I wanted to be petty like OP I could have named Maurice Lucas who is in the hall of fame and played with the Lakers when he was washed.

LeBron has played with more names because he has played with more teams, Magic literally played with the MVP of the league in his rookie year. Could only imagine the agendas around here if LeBron entered the league in a similar situation.

[jayfan]

Of course. It's ridiculous at this point.


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[John8204]

Shaquille O'Neal

Penny Hardaway
Horace Grant
Dennis Rodman
Kobe Bryant
Robert Horry
Eddie Jones
Nick Van Exel
Derek Fisher
Derek Harper
Glen Rice
AC Green
Mitch Richmond
Gary Payton
Karl Malone
Christian Laetner
Alonzo Mourning
Dwayne Wade
Antonie Walker
Jason Williams
Grant Hill
Steve Nash
Amare Stodemire
Goran Dragic
Ilgauskas, Zydrunas
Danny Green
Antawn Jamison
Mo Williams
Jermaine O'Neal
Ray Allen
Kevin Garnett
Paul Pierce
Rajan Rondo

[tpols]

LeBron played with trash the first 7 years of his career and in 2018 & 2019.

Magic played with stacked teams from his rookie year up until he retired.

Kareem
Worthy
Wilkes
McAdoo
Cooper
Nixon
Scott
Klay's Dad
Divac
Perkins
Green

So your list is half a decade of Kareem, James Worthy, and Klays dad.

:roll:

[Kblaze8855]

The lakers and Celtics both were more talented than any Lebron lineups.

Not that it matters. The issue is talent relative to opponents. The pre and early expansion rosters naturally had more depth.

[3ba11]

Who gives a sh*t about Magic? The GOAT discussion is between MJ and LeBron according to you weirdos. And LeBron’s help beats Jordan’s easily.

Imagine playing for longer with way better help and still winning less and losing more finals…


Isn't it funny how lebron fans think that it's okay to fall short of MJ as long as you match lesser greats like Magic and others

[3ba11]

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CRITICAL SERIES:




Lebron's first time getting past his nemesis the Celtics:

2011 ECSF

WADE........... 30/7/5 on 53%
LEBRON........ 28/8/4 on 48%


Goat Choke

2011 FINALS

WADE........... 27/7/5 on 55%
LEBRON........ 18/7/7 on 48%


Unprecedented help - sidekick outplays league MVP

2016 FINALS

KYRIE........... 28 on 47%
LEBRON........ 29 on 48%


Lebron vs grown-up KD

2017 FINALS

KYRIE........... 29 on 47%
LEBRON........ 34 on 56%


Beating Jokic

AD............... 31 on 53%
LEBRON........ 28 on 48%



^^^ Lebron somehow lost some of these series despite getting carried by teammates, while MJ averaged 10-30 more than Pippen in every series... Pippen's mostly transition and dunking peaked at around 15-22 ppg on weak efficiency, and he was worse than Jeff Green outside the system that he grew up in (system player).