If Bird carried MJ to titles, that would HURT mj's goat case, not help it

[3ba11]

and failing to win every single year with Bird (Luka) is also a failure.

The only reason Luka and Lebron need more help is because they're dumb ball-dominators with the worst chemistry ever, so they can't have a dynasty fit like other duos and therefore need more help... Otoh, MJ and Bird could win with anyone like Longley and Paxson - no one would say they need more help or make excuses for them.

[John8204]

MJ couldn't win with anyone, he was only able to win because of salary cap changes allowed for a top ten player to get paid in the top 100.

And Larry Bird will be the first person to tell you he got a ton of help from Tiny Archibald.

Also this wasn't Lebron getting help this was a team screwing over a franchise player for over 100 million dollars. What Dallas did to Doncic is frankly criminal and you should be ashamed of yourself for piling on Luka. This might just be the worst thing a team has ever done to a player.

[3ba11]

MJ couldn't win with anyone





I'm not talking about the sidekicks - I'm talking about the role players - MJ and another star won with role players like Longley at the other positions, while guys like Jaxon Hayes or Rui aren't enough for Luka/Lebron because they lack the dynasty fit that other duos had (Curry/Klay, MJ/Pippen, etc)

And MJ won the 2nd three-peat by going 3 on 5 offensively in the playoffs, so he could infact win with anyone.. He also built an 8 PPG rookie into barely a 17 PPG player, and that was enough to have the most dominant title run ever in 91', so again, he could win with anyone

[SouBeachTalents]

I'm not talking about the sidekicks - I'm talking about the role players - MJ and another star won with role players like Longley at the other positions, while guys like Jaxon Hayes or Rui aren't enough for Luka/Lebron because they lack the dynasty fit that other duos had (Curry/Klay, MJ/Pippen, etc)

And MJ won the 2nd three-peat going 3 on 5 offensively in the playoffs, so he could infact win with anyone
He won the 2nd 3peat on a team that won 55 games without him, that's some KD on the Warriors ish.

[3ba11]

He won the 2nd 3peat on a team that won 55 games without him, that's some KD on the Warriors ish.


You are a liar

The Bulls were barely .500 in 95' before MJ returned and restored 3-peat from 96-98'..

This made it 2 three-peats with goat stats and burden, including the lowest-scoring casts ever.. This is well-known and documented fact.. Pippen never dominated or achieved elite stats, so MJ was forced to carry the load even in the 1st Round, let alone the Finals.. Otoh, Lebron needs elite-producing FMVP 's and dominators at sidekick that outplayed MVP's and made the Finals without him.

[SouBeachTalents]

You are a liar

The Bulls were barely .500 in 95' before MJ returned and restored 3-peat from 96-98'..

This made it 2 three-peats with goat stats and burden, including the lowest-scoring casts ever.. This is well-known and documented fact.. Pippen never dominated or achieved elite stats, so MJ was forced to carry the load even in the 1st Round, let alone the Finals.. Otoh, Lebron needs elite-producing FMVP 's and dominators at sidekick that outplayed MVP's and made the Finals without him.
I am not

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[hateraid]

Do people still take this guy seriously?

[3ba11]

I am not

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You said "he won 2 three-peats with a team that won 55 without him", but that's false because he won the 2nd three-peat with a .500 team (they were.500 in 95' when he returned), while the 1st three-peat was won with the same lottery cast from 88' that simply improved their effective basketball to a capability of 3-peating and a ceremonial 55 wins in 94' - no one thought they were a real 55-win team... They cratered to reality in the playoffs and following season.

TLDR: MJ lifted a lottery cast in 88' to a 3-peat, and then a borderline.500 team in 95' to a 3-peat from 96-98'