Ben Simmons is signing with the Clippers

[Phoenix]

https://sports.yahoo.com/ben-simmons-signing-with-clippers-after-contract-buyout-with-nets-184400803.html

"Ben Simmons is latching on with a Western Conference contender after being released by the Brooklyn Nets. The 6-foot-10 guard is signing with the Los Angeles Clippers after clearing waivers, ESPN's Shams Charania reported."


I don't have much to say, other than it's beyond my level of comprehension how he manages to stay in the league.

[StickyWice]

They favorite to win now. This win now move

[Neal Romer]

NO excuses.

[Real Men Wear Green]

A back-up pg that can defend a variety of positions is worth the minimum. If you are running the Nets or Sixers you never want to see his face again but if you are running a different team and believe in your ability to deal with mental issues you could go for him.

He's got two issues that work together to make him a guy I would rather not deal with. A guy that can't/is scared to shoot can't also be a guy that can't take criticism. He should be forced to pick one flaw there, having both has to drive people nuts.

[Phoenix]

A back-up pg that can defend a variety of positions is worth the minimum. If you are running the Nets or Sixers you never want to see his face again but if you are running a different team and believe in your ability to deal with mental issues you could go for him.

He's got two issues that work towering to make him a guy I would rather not deal with. A guy that can't/is scared to shoot can't also be a guy that can't take criticism. He should be forced to pick one flaw there, having both has to drive people nuts.

At this point it seems like a few mental wires were snipped a few years ago and never soldered back. I guess there's always some idiot with money who thinks they can 'fix' him where others failed to, just seems like a lost cause. He'd have to go back to being an all-defensive level defender to completely make up for his complete lack of shooting ability.

[Meticode]

Thank God the Cavs didn't get this bum.

[red1]

turned out to be such a bum


what a shame

[Real Men Wear Green]

At this point it seems like a few mental wires were snipped a few years ago and never soldered back. I guess there's always some idiot with money who thinks they can 'fix' him where others failed to, just seems like a lost cause. He'd have to go back to being an all-defensive level defender to completely make up for his complete lack of shooting ability.

The way that he is now he can be ok as a bench guy you bring in to defend the opposing scorer. But he can't be out there for crucial offensive possessions. The fit in LA is offer to me because he's the kind of defender that can cover for Harden's bad D but on offense has no role with Harden on the ball. But for them to be after him so quickly Lue must have wanted him so they must have a plan.

[Wally450]

:oldlol:

[GOBB]

At this point it seems like a few mental wires were snipped a few years ago and never soldered back. I guess there's always some idiot with money who thinks they can 'fix' him where others failed to, just seems like a lost cause. He'd have to go back to being an all-defensive level defender to completely make up for his complete lack of shooting ability.

At this point in his sad career? The expectations are done. No one is checking for Ben Simmons to be anything more than a role player. A facilitator who can defend. But can’t be on the floor in crucial moments at the end of you need offense. Him faking this mental health stuff (to get paid) allowed him in the end to be ghost. You forgot he was in the league. And when reminded really couldn’t care less. So here we are content with him being a passer/defender and nothing more. That’s good enough. And he’s able to hide from the massive criticism he received before. Whereas the stuff he will hear now will be child’s play for him.

[Jasper]

i have a layup ... hell no .. I will pass it out to hero baller Harden at the 1/2 court line.

[ImKobe]

Crazy how Simmons is this washed at 28. Should be his peak man.. but I guess that back injury really derailed his career.

[coin24]

Mental midget that never worked on his game..

Biggest waste of potential.

[beasted]

Mental midget that never worked on his game..

Biggest waste of potential.
This. Nothing to do with injury.

[Nowoco]

Crazy how Simmons is this washed at 28. Should be his peak man.. but I guess that back injury really derailed his career.

The injury that derailed his career is the one between his ears.

[Phoenix]

At this point in his sad career? The expectations are done. No one is checking for Ben Simmons to be anything more than a role player. A facilitator who can defend. But can’t be on the floor in crucial moments at the end of you need offense. Him faking this mental health stuff (to get paid) allowed him in the end to be ghost. You forgot he was in the league. And when reminded really couldn’t care less. So here we are content with him being a passer/defender and nothing more. That’s good enough. And he’s able to hide from the massive criticism he received before. Whereas the stuff he will hear now will be child’s play for him.

That's all fine and good but he's damaged goods and there are other players who can do that without the baggage. Why did the Nets buy him out and what are the Clips hoping to get out of him that the Nets couldn't? I suppose if you can get him on a minimal year to year contract, ok....as I said there's always some idiot with money who thinks he's going to revert to 2019 form and they lucked into paying peanuts for him. Good luck to the Clippers.

[GOBB]

That's all fine and good but he's damaged goods and there are other players who can do that without the baggage. Why did the Nets buy him out and what are the Clips hoping to get out of him that the Nets couldn't? I suppose if you can get him on a minimal year to year contract, ok....as I said there's always some idiot with money who thinks he's going to revert to 2019 form and they lucked into paying peanuts for him. Good luck to the Clippers.

Nets didn’t get back good on their investment. It’s one thing if Ben Simmons was there on a minimum deal. It’s another when you’re paying him that hefty contract. And he’s missed a season, he comes back and is injured. And while he has looked consistent when healthy? You’re not getting back what you have paid for. Once nets made him a bench player I’m pretty sure he was upset. Probably had his agent talk to nets about a trade or buyout. And both sides agreed to go separate ways.

Clippers are established so this is a low risk high reward addition for them. That’s what they get out of it. Either Ben helps off the bench (on a winner) or he doesn’t. Remember Ben Simmons has shown in college when LSU went to NIT and not the big tourney he bails on you.

[ImKobe]

The injury that derailed his career is the one between his ears.

Obviously he's not dedicated to improving his craft, but he'd be a better version of what he was in his first few years in the league if his body held up.

[Phoenix]

Nets didn’t get back good on their investment. It’s one thing if Ben Simmons was there on a minimum deal. It’s another when you’re paying him that hefty contract. And he’s missed a season, he comes back and is injured. And while he has looked consistent when healthy? You’re not getting back what you have paid for. Once nets made him a bench player I’m pretty sure he was upset. Probably had his agent talk to nets about a trade or buyout. And both sides agreed to go separate ways.

Clippers are established so this is a low risk high reward addition for them. That’s what they get out of it. Either Ben helps off the bench (on a winner) or he doesn’t. Remember Ben Simmons has shown in college when LSU went to NIT and not the big tourney he bails on you.

Hence why I said, there's always one idiot around with money who thinks he's worth a minimum contract( enter the Clippers). You can find 'facilitators who play defense' around the league without whatever issues he inevitably will bring, but whatever. As I said, good luck to them.

[GOBB]

Hence why I said, there's always one idiot around with money who thinks he's worth a minimum contract( enter the Clippers). You can find 'facilitators who play defense' around the league without whatever issues he inevitably will bring, but whatever. As I said, good luck to them.

He avg 7 assists per game. He has an innate passing ability
He is a good defender.
Hes 6’10 240 or whatever his weight is now

. Where are you finding these players at? Specially for the minimum? And you say he’s not worth it. lol To a playoff contender that’s well worth it. I believe the Cavs also wanted Ben Simmons too. Another idiot team they happens to be winning a whole lot in the East.

[Phoenix]

He avg 7 assists per game. He has an innate passing ability
He is a good defender.
Hes 6’10 240 or whatever his weight is now

. Where are you finding these players at? Specially for the minimum? And you say he’s not worth it. lol To a playoff contender that’s well worth it. I believe the Cavs also wanted Ben Simmons too. Another idiot team they happens to be winning a whole lot in the East.

The question of worth isn't based around his weight, size, or passing ability. None of that is the question. He comes with obvious physical/mental caveats that's the reason for why he's deteriorated from an all-star talent to what he is now. If a team thinks they can get the best out of him as opposed to spending most of his time off the floor like he has the past 4 years, good on all concerned. He'll fit right in with a team that spent the past 5 years load-managing their two best players. What's one more to the mix on a minimum? Speaking of which, do we even know what kind of contract he's getting? We're assuming the minimum because all the stats you listed off would be worth more if he wasn't deemed a high risk signing. He's a free agent this summer.

[Manny98]

The question of worth isn't based around his weight, size, or passing ability. None of that is the question. He comes with obvious physical/mental caveats that's the reason for why he's deteriorated from an all-star talent to what he is now. If a team thinks they can get the best out of him as opposed to spending most of his time off the floor like he has the past 4 years, good on all concerned. He'll fit right in with a team that spent the past 5 years load-managing their two best players. What's one more to the mix on a minimum? Speaking of which, I don't think it's been reported what kind of contract he's getting. We're assuming the minimum because all the stats you listed off would be worth more if he wasn't deemed a high risk signing.

Simmons has played over twice as many games this season than Embiid

[Phoenix]

Simmons has played over twice as many games this season than Embiid

Not a hard bar to clear. :lol

[GOBB]

The question of worth isn't based around his weight, size, or passing ability. None of that is the question. He comes with obvious physical/mental caveats that's the reason for why he's deteriorated from an all-star talent to what he is now. If a team thinks they can get the best out of him as opposed to spending most of his time off the floor like he has the past 4 years, good on all concerned. He'll fit right in with a team that spent the past 5 years load-managing their two best players. What's one more to the mix on a minimum? Speaking of which, do we even know what kind of contract he's getting? We're assuming the minimum because all the stats you listed off would be worth more if he wasn't deemed a high risk signing. He's a free agent this summer.

It’s assumed it’s the vet minimum because that’s typically what players sign for after buyouts. As they still get paid whatever amount they negotiated from their former team. Ben was due to make $40mil this season. He reportedly gave $1.1mil of it back as apart of an agreement for the buyout. So I’m assuming the money he gave back is what he will make playing for the Clippers. Which is a team he wants to play for.

Not sure how buyouts work entirely but I think teams over the luxury tax apron are handcuffed on buyouts. And if u are due to make $15mil and get bought out for $12mil. I always thought you couldn’t sign for more than $3mil (make up the difference in salary for the year). I could be wrong. Need to be fact checked. But what I do know is Ben made his lump sum from the Nets (or will) after the buyout agreement. He’s lookin to play for teams he wants. Clippers being the one.

This offseason I’m sure a team will take a chance on Ben in a 2yr maybe 3yr team option like deal. His prime is gone but he’s still a plus defender and good passer. Teams have put up with worse from players (baggage). Can’t believe I’m defending this bum

[Phoenix]

It’s assumed it’s the vet minimum because that’s typically what players sign for after buyouts. As they still get paid whatever amount they negotiated from their former team. Ben was due to make $40mil this season. He reportedly gave $1.1mil of it back as apart of an agreement for the buyout. So I’m assuming the money he gave back is what he will make playing for the Clippers. Which is a team he wants to play for.

Not sure how buyouts work entirely but I think teams over the luxury tax apron are handcuffed on buyouts. And if u are due to make $15mil and get bought out for $12mil. I always thought you couldn’t sign for more than $3mil (make up the difference in salary for the year). I could be wrong. Need to be fact checked. But what I do know is Ben made his lump sum from the Nets (or will) after the buyout agreement. He’s lookin to play for teams he wants. Clippers being the one.

This offseason I’m sure a team will take a chance on Ben in a 2yr maybe 3yr team option like deal. His prime is gone but he’s still a plus defender and good passer. Teams have put up with worse from players (baggage). Can’t believe I’m defending this bum

I read up on it and a few articles mentioned there was some interest from the Rockets but the Clips won out. In any event he needs to show up and out for his next contract.

[GOBB]

I read up on it and a few articles mentioned there was some interest from the Rockets but the Clips won out. In any event he needs to show up and out for his next contract.

I don’t know if he will show up and show out. He is what he is. He made a ton of money doing nothing when Sixers gave him that massive extension. He’s set for life. Any contract this summer is just play money.

[Manny98]

Played really well in his debut for the Clippers


https://youtu.be/euAdWJSE1OM?si=IlReqdTLoPr8Oe_I

He may not have worked out for the Nets but I am really rooting for him to succeed he gets way too much unwarranted hate

[Real Men Wear Green]

He may not have worked out for the Nets but I am really rooting for him to succeed he gets way too much unwarranted hate He also got a hundred mil + of unwarranted pay. It balances.

[Manny98]

He also got a hundred mil + of unwarranted pay. It balances.
So have a bunch of other players and none of them have gotten nearly the same amount of hate as Simmons

[Real Men Wear Green]

So have a bunch of other players and none of them have gotten nearly the same amount of hate as Simmons It'sBecause he's been a special case. If he just stunk it up, it'd be one thing. Average 8 points on 20% shooting and five turnovers, you're terrible but you're out there trying. Failing, but trying. Simmons has on the other hand taken a 3 year mental health day. His whole contract is stolen money. P

[GOBB]

So have a bunch of other players and none of them have gotten nearly the same amount of hate as Simmons

Signed $170mil 5yr extension

Year 1 - 58gms 14ppg 7rpg 7apg 1.6spg
Year 2 - Did not play mental health
Year 3 - 42gms 7ppg 7rpg 7apg 1.3spg
Year 4 - 15gms 6ppg 8rpg 6apg 0.8spg
Year 5 - 34gms 6ppg 5rpg 7apg 0.7spg

Total - 149gms out of 410gms avg what 10-7-7 give or take in the 4 seasons out of 5 he played?

That’s nowhere close to being worth $170mil. You’re not factoring how much that is per year. When you get that kind of extension there’s expectations and standards already set.

[ImKobe]

Played really well in his debut for the Clippers


https://youtu.be/euAdWJSE1OM?si=IlReqdTLoPr8Oe_I

He may not have worked out for the Nets but I am really rooting for him to succeed he gets way too much unwarranted hate

Looked great. He didn't move this well in Brooklyn and avoided contact. Seems like he might be over whatever was holding him back mentally. Looked fluid finishing at the rim and his passes were on point. Great fit for the Clips with all the shooting around him and their defense gives him plenty of opportunities to get out on the break.

[Manny98]

It'sBecause he's been a special case. If he just stunk it up, it'd be one thing. Average 8 points on 20% shooting and five turnovers, you're terrible but you're out there trying. Failing, but trying. Simmons has on the other hand taken a 3 year mental health day. His whole contract is stolen money. P
It's not mental health He's had back problems the past couple of years which was out of his control which is evidently by his drastic loss of athleticism when he's played on the Nets

[Phoenix]

Good debut by Ben, let's see if he sustains it.

[Real Men Wear Green]

It's not mental health He's had back problems the past couple of years which was out of his control which is evidently by his drastic loss of athleticism when he's played on the Nets We'veseen him pass on wide open dunks. Seen his 1 point game. How he forced his way out of Philly because Doc said he wasn't sure a team could win a championship with him at point guard. He has mental issues.

[Chick Stern]

A VERY Clippers signing

[rawimpact]

What does the contract he signed look like?

https://www.nba.com/clippers/news/clippers-sign-ben-simmons

The LA Clippers have signed Ben Simmons, it was announced by Lawrence Frank, President of Basketball Operations. Per team policy, terms of the agreement were not released.Simmons, 28, has played in 33 games (24 starts) for the Brooklyn Nets this season, averaging 6.2 points, 5.2 rebounds and a team-leading 6.9 assists in 25.0 minutes. He is shooting 54.7% (93-170) from the field and has scored in double figures eight times.


Originally selected first overall in the 2016 NBA Draft, Simmons has appeared in 365 games across seven NBA seasons with Philadelphia and Brooklyn, averaging 13.6 points, 7.6 rebounds and 7.4 assists in 31.8 minutes. He is a three-time NBA All-Star (2019-21), two-time All-Defensive honoree (2020-21) and was an All-NBA Third Team selection in 2020. Simmons was also voted the 2017-18 Rookie of the Year, following a season in which he posted 12 triple-doubles, the second most by a rookie in league history.


A native of Melbourne, Australia, Simmons played his lone collegiate season at LSU, where he was the consensus National Freshman of the Year while also earning All-SEC First Team recognition.

wtf is this shit?

[ImKobe]

We'veseen him pass on wide open dunks. Seen his 1 point game. How he forced his way out of Philly because Doc said he wasn't sure a team could win a championship with him at point guard. He has mental issues.

What did you expect him to do after they all blamed him for the loss though instead of having his back.

It's a situation where both sides were at fault + Simmons injured his back in the 2019-20 season prior to COVID shutting the league down. So it's not something that he made up following the fallout with Philly, he has serious back problems which is why he's a role player now. Obviously he was never built to be a clutch player mentally but him being soft mentally doesn't explain him not being able to move as well as he once did when he's in his 20s still.

[Real Men Wear Green]

What did you expect him to do after they all blamed him for the loss though instead of having his back. Take responsibility like a man and work on the glaring shooting flaw in his game. And if he can't fix it then at least continue to play at his old level and earn his pay.


It's a situation where both sides were at fault + Simmons injured his back in the 2019-20 season prior to COVID shutting the league down. So it's not something that he made up following the fallout with Philly, he has serious back problems which is why he's a role player now. Obviously he was never built to be a clutch player mentally but him being soft mentally doesn't explain him not being able to move as well as he once did when he's in his 20s still. Explain to me how Simmons coaches teammates or whoever else is at fault for him scoring one point in a game. Him being soft mentally leads to him forcing his way out of Philly and then utterly failing to earn his money in Brooklyn. This constant excuse making is ridiculous. He's the least Kobe-like player in NBA history and yet here you are defending him. You are actually using his softness as a defense.

[ImKobe]

Take responsibility like a man and work on the glaring shooting flaw in his game. And if he can't fix it then at least continue to play at his old level and earn his pay.

Explain to me how Simmons coaches teammates or whoever else is at fault for him scoring one point in a game. Him being soft mentally leads to him forcing his way out of Philly and then utterly failing to earn his money in Brooklyn. This constant excuse making is ridiculous. He's the least Kobe-like player in NBA history and yet here you are defending him. You are actually using his softness as a defense.

They're at fault for throwing him under the bus which made the situation worse than it should've been. He's at fault for choking in that series but Embiid choked as well.

Playoff chokes happen all the time. It's not like Ben Simmons was the sole issue in crunch time situations as we've seen how Embiid disappears and turns the ball over in big spots despite being an MVP-level player and one of the greatest scoring centers ever. Sixers haven't been able to get over the hump because their superstar player is injury-prone and not a great clutch performer.

All I'm saying is the back stuff is for real and we've seen players like T-Mac lose their ability in their absolute prime because of it. When Simmons finally started playing minutes in Brooklyn he looked like a shell of himself athletically. And of course there's a mental component to it as well - one bad fall where he reaggravates that injury and he might never play again.

[Real Men Wear Green]

They're at fault for throwing him under the bus which made the situation worse than it should've been. He's at fault for choking in that series but Embiid choked as well. Ridiculous that you think Doc saying he wasn't sure that Simmons could be the pg for a champion somehow justified him forcing his wsy outof Philly and being the softest player of all time while getting a max contract. Whether Embiid is great or ass he had his own responsibility to perform or at least give an honest effort and fail.




All I'm saying is the back stuff is for real and we've seen players like T-Mac lose their ability in their absolute prime because of it. When Simmons finally started playing minutes in Brooklyn he looked like a shell of himself athletically. And of course there's a mental component to it as well - one bad fall where he reaggravates that injury and he might never play again. Was his back the reason he had to force his way out of Philly? He's soft and he doesn't want to play in front of crowds and under pressure. He went to the Clippers because he's hoping for another contact. After he gets that next deal he's back to the IR.

[ImKobe]

Ridiculous that you think Doc saying he wasn't sure that Simmons could be the pg for a champion somehow justified him forcing his wsy outof Philly and being the softest player of all time while getting a max contract. Whether Embiid is great or ass he had his own responsibility to perform or at least give an honest effort and fail.



Was his back the reason he had to force his way out of Philly? He's soft and he doesn't want to play in front of crowds and under pressure. He went to the Clippers because he's hoping for another contact. After he gets that next deal he's back to the IR.

How is it not? Your coach tells the media that you're not good enough for them to win. Your superstar teammate tells the media that you're the reason they lost Game 7. Whatever. Yes, Ben is a soft dude who's not built like that mentally and who was also playing hurt and then forced his way out.

Now tell me why he would miss games on purpose and dog it in Brooklyn and lose out on hundreds of millions in the future if he wasn't actually injured? That's the part that makes absolutely no sense to me. You can be soft as **** mentally and still chase the bag if your body allows it.

Him playing well for 20 something games for the Clippers isn't going to earn him another max deal.

What do you think makes more sense? You think he just faked it so he could lose out on 200M+ that would've come his way in the future? Maybe he actually is damaged goods and also soft as charmin when it comes to the mental part of the game. Both things can be true.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Continuing to excuse him bitching out on Philly. He had been scared to shoot for years, when Doc had the audacity to answer a question honestly Simmons had gone as far as passing up an open dunk because he's just that scared to shoot. He doesn't want to play basketball, he wants to get paid and is just going that some GM is going to be as "understanding" of his soft issues as you appear to be so that he can continue to get paid.

[ImKobe]

So you're telling me he's faking being hurt to cost himself hundreds of millions? He doesn't want to play basketball, yet signs with the Clippers for 800k. Okay lol.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He's milking injury so that he still gets paid. If he misses games the way that he has for the last 4 years without an excuse the team is getting out of his contract one way or another. If his back was so bad that he had to miss a whole season, then 39 games, then 57 games, and then finally however many he has missed/will miss this year then he should be medically retired. It's a known fact that he's soft and he just doesn't want to play. You keep on holding out hope though, he just needs that one GM that thinks like you to keep the gravy train rolling.

[E_Stamkos]

This won't end on a positive note.

[Meticode]

I agree with what SAS said for once...

If Lue can get consistent play and production out of Simmons similar to his first Clipper game, they should rip up Lue's current contract and pay him double or triple what he's getting paid. :oldlol:

[90sgoat]

When we look back Ben Simmons will be where it all went wrong, all hype, no scouting, lazy player who just wanted to bang hoes and still got paid. Zion was the fulfillment of the Ben Simmons situation.

You could say Anthony Benneth crawled, so Simmons could walk, so Zion could run.

[ImKobe]

He's milking injury so that he still gets paid. If he misses games the way that he has for the last 4 years without an excuse the team is getting out of his contract one way or another. If his back was so bad that he had to miss a whole season, then 39 games, then 57 games, and then finally however many he has missed/will miss this year then he should be medically retired. It's a known fact that he's soft and he just doesn't want to play. You keep on holding out hope though, he just needs that one GM that thinks like you to keep the gravy train rolling.

I'm not hoping for shit, I'm just saying he looked a lot better as a Clipper than he did in Brooklyn and that his back injury was a real thing. Of course he's trying to get paid but why would someone cost themselves hundreds of millions faking an injury like that. I'd agree with you if he just used the back as an excuse to get out of Philly and then looked like his normal self in Brooklyn where he had 0 expectations after that superteam fell apart unless there's bigger issues like alcohol/drug addiction or whatever that kept him from being in shape.