Luka's lakers numbers vs Sophomore year Scottie Pippen

[Mask the Embiid]

This is the sorry scottie pippen btw


Luka 15/4.5/4apg 40/26/76 .5 stls .5blks

Sophomore Pip 14/6/3.5apg 47/27/66 1.9stls .8blks


who ya got? 25-year-old Luka on the lakers or Sophomore Pip

[SouBeachTalents]

Looks like an Embiid playoff line

[Neal Romer]

To be honest Ive always found regular season Luka a bit painful to watch at times in terms of the molasses pace and ball dominance. Plus the complaining to refs while play is still going on and such.

But it's hard to argue with his playoff track record for an 18-25 y/o without particularly strong supporting casts. So Im kinda just shrugging and giving him the benefit of the doubt at this point.

He's been sorta like the bizarro-Joel in that regard.

[3ba11]

This is the first time that Luka had 2 straight games of 16 points or less since 2021, so Lebron has already turned Luka into Kevin Love.. But unlike Love, we know that Luka was forced into sacrificing his legacy for bron-ball and the fake goat debate, while Wade and Love were cool with it.

[SouBeachTalents]

As for the thread title, definitely Pippen. He'd develop into a 2 way superstar who carried the Bulls to 55 wins without Jordan.

[3ba11]

As for the thread title, definitely Pippen. He'd develop into a 2 way superstar who carried the Bulls to 55 wins without Jordan.


Pippen was never an offensive superstar, so your obvious lie shows how badly you guys lost the debate.. The impending Luka debacle will be the nail in the coffin.

Pippen was just an athlete/defender and it was a ceremonial 55 - no one thought they were a real 55 win team - the playoffs and following season proved the obvious that they were nothing without MJ.. i.e. a three-peat team with Jordan but a fledgling franchise going nowhere in 95' without him.

It should also be noted that Jordan turned a lottery cast in 1988 into the 2nd best team in the NBA by the end of the 89' Playoffs before Phil arrived.. So Phil inherited a team on the cusp and a future dynasty where MJ did all the heavy lifting already

[SouBeachTalents]

Pippen was never an offensive superstar, so your obvious lie shows how badly you guys lost the debate.. The impending Luka debacle will be the nail in the coffin.

Pippen was just an athlete/defender and it was a ceremonial 55 - no one thought they were a real 55 win team - the playoffs and following season proved the obvious that they were nothing without MJ.. i.e. a three-peat team with Jordan but a fledgling franchise going nowhere in 95' without him.

It should also be noted that Jordan turned a lottery cast in 1988 into the 2nd best team in the NBA by the end of the 89' Playoffs before Phil arrived.. So Phil inherited a team on the cusp and a future dynasty where MJ did all the heavy lifting already
1-9

[Full Court]

Lol at going off a two-game sample size while Luka's on minutes restriction.

Nice try.

:biggums:

[Real Men Wear Green]

His last game was 23 minutes. This is some brain dead trolling.

[Full Court]

To be honest Ive always found regular season Luka a bit painful to watch at times in terms of the molasses pace and ball dominance. Plus the complaining to refs while play is still going on and such.

But it's hard to argue with his playoff track record for an 18-25 y/o without particularly strong supporting casts. So Im kinda just shrugging and giving him the benefit of the doubt at this point.

He's been sorta like the bizarro-Joel in that regard.

Precisely why Lebron is the most disrespected star in the history of the sport. :confusedshrug:

[Phoenix]

His last game was 23 minutes. This is some brain dead trolling.

I miss some of the older trolls on the forum, there was some genuine laughs to be had. These people on here saying Lebron has already cratered Luka when he's a month and half coming off injuries, clearly out of shape( to be fair, that's on him), trying to work himself in a new offense with new teammates is just lazy. No creativity whatsoever...

[3ba11]

I miss some of the older trolls on the forum, there was some genuine laughs to be had. These people on here saying Lebron has already cratered Luka when he's a month and half coming off injuries, clearly out of shape( to be fair, that's on him), trying to work himself in a new offense with new teammates is just lazy. No creativity whatsoever...


luka had injuries before, but he hasn't had 2 straight games of 16 or less since 2021.. so his bad start is notable.. it's amazing that people are saying that the #2 player in the world (luka) and lebron "need more time" and "need a center" and all this crap - it proves that lebron needs more help regardless of cast, just like said... zaza and longley were enough for curry and mj because their superior skillset had great chemistry with their sidekick and teammates in general

[Phoenix]

luka had injuries before, but he hasn't had 2 straight games of 16 or less since 2021.. so his bad start is notable..

So you're saying Luka should have had his normal numbers in 23 minutes even if you want to ignore every other piece of context.

As I said.... no creativity whatsoever.

[Real Men Wear Green]

I miss some of the older trolls on the forum, there was some genuine laughs to be had. These people on here saying Lebron has already cratered Luka when he's a month and half coming off injuries, clearly out of shape( to be fair, that's on him), trying to work himself in a new offense with new teammates is just lazy. No creativity whatsoever...
He's a flawed enough player that he can be attacked without posting crap. This is lazy.

[Phoenix]

He's a flawed enough player that he can be attacked without posting crap. This is lazy.

Too ball-dominant( he's good enough to control the ball that much, but it does limit team ceiling), doesn't take good enough care of his body, barely tries on defense, takes himself out of plays by whining too much. It's pretty simple.

Lebron cratering him after 2 fukking games? He scored 16 points while deliberately glossing over playing only 23 minutes? We need posters like Jabbar back. At least he trolled with some style.

[Axe]

Good to see luka making it past the semifinals twice. :bowdown:


His last game was 23 minutes. This is some brain dead trolling.
Braindead like the mongoloid c0cksucker above and below you... oops, didn't notice he's only one homosexual poster.

[StrongLurk]

Pip went 6/6 in the finals so he's better than Luka.

[3ba11]

So you're saying Luka should have had his normal numbers in 23 minutes even if you want to ignore every other piece of context.

As I said.... no creativity whatsoever.



Pretty smug for someone that is dead wrong:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-13-2025/kc1qJc.gif

[Phoenix]

Pretty smug for someone that is dead wrong:



https://i.makeagif.com/media/2-13-2025/kc1qJc.gif

So if he played 36 minutes last night he'd have done 23/7/6 two games back from a 1 1/2 month injury, out of shape, new team and system.

Yeah I'll stick with lazy, creatively bankrupt trolling on your part....carry on. And that's all the attention you get today.

[3ba11]

So if he played 36 minutes last night he'd have done 23/7/6 two games back from a 1 1/2 month injury, out of shape, new team and system.

Yeah I'll stick with lazy, creatively bankrupt trolling on your part....carry on. And that's all the attention you get today.


Consider the goat standard that MJ is held to, since you give Luka a pass for "rust" after 1 month off, while Jordan gets hammered for not winning the title right away in 95' after 2 years off playing baseball... lol, enjoy your fraud.. and it's never rust for a 25-year old in his uber-prime - he just doesn't fit with Lebron like Westbrook or Love... you'll be forced to face reality soon

[Phoenix]

Consider the goat standard that MJ is held to, since you give Luka a pass for "rust" after 1 month off, while Jordan gets hammered for not winning the title right away in 95' after 2 years off playing baseball... lol, enjoy your fraud

Will do, thanks. :cheers:

[Phoenix]

Consider the goat standard that MJ is held to, since you give Luka a pass for "rust" after 1 month off, while Jordan gets hammered for not winning the title right away in 95' after 2 years off playing baseball... lol, enjoy your fraud.. and it's never rust for a 25-year old in his uber-prime - he just doesn't fit with Lebron like Westbrook or Love... you'll be forced to face reality soon

Will do, thanks. :cheers:

[3ba11]

Will do, thanks. :cheers:


unfortunately, you'll be forced to face reality soon because it's never rust for a 25-year old in his uber-prime - he just doesn't fit with Lebron, similar to Westbrook, Love, and dozens of others...

[Phoenix]

unfortunately, you'll be forced to face reality soon because it's never rust for a 25-year old in his uber-prime - he just doesn't fit with Lebron like Westbrook, Love, and dozens of others...

Looking forward to it!

[3ba11]

Looking forward to it!


you should already know that Lebron's skillset has bad chemistry and the worst fits ever

you shouldn't need to see him to get annihilated with the top 2 ball-dominators ever (Luka and Westbrook).. heck, westbrook is about to title this year lol

[Phoenix]

you should already know that Lebron's skillset has bad chemistry and the worst fits ever

you shouldn't need to see him to get annihilated with the top 2 ball-dominators ever (Luka and Westbrook).. heck, westbrook is about to title this year lol

I didn't but thanks for the info!

[3ba11]

I didn't but thanks for the info!


History shows that a big man can sometimes clash with another big, similar to 2 ball-dominators, and this is why jumpshooters are the best skillset, since they fit with everyone.. Hope that helps

[Phoenix]

History shows that a big man can sometimes clash with another big, similar to 2 ball-dominators, and this is why jumpshooters are the best skillset, since they fit with everyone.. Hope that helps

It really does!

[3ba11]

It really does!


Great.. And it doesn't mean that any jumpshooter is better than any ball-dominator, but certainly the best jumpshooters of all-time are better than the best ball-dominators, based on producing better chemistry and therefore needing less help to win

[Phoenix]

Great.. And it doesn't mean that any jumpshooter is better than any ball-dominator, but certainly the best jumpshooters of all-time are better than the best ball-dominators, based on producing better chemistry and therefore needing less help to win

Such insight!

[Full Court]

Good to see luka making it past the semifinals twice. :bowdown:


Braindead like the mongoloid c0cksucker above and below you... oops, didn't notice he's only one homosexual poster.

:roll: What a triggered moron.


Going on 33,000 posts, and not a shred of intelligence to be found.

I guess there's a reason he was voted DUMBEST POSTER IN ISH HISTORY.

:lebronamazed:

[Axe]

Pip went 6/6 in the finals so he's better than Luka. (https://i.ibb.co/RpQNPqx/IMG-20221122-211833.jpg)
Most successful player in the 90s as well.

[ImKobe]

So if he played 36 minutes last night he'd have done 23/7/6 two games back from a 1 1/2 month injury, out of shape, new team and system.

Yeah I'll stick with lazy, creatively bankrupt trolling on your part....carry on. And that's all the attention you get today.

It's not really about what shape he's in, he's just not getting to handle the ball as much which is limiting his production. I think I heard it on Windy's pod that he only brought up the ball 9 times in his Laker debut which was like the least he's ever done it in an NBA game.

Jimmy Butler's in his mid-30s and is not in 100% basketball shape either by his own words, and he looks just fine in GS because they let him cook, in fact his numbers have been elevated instantly by the spacing that Curry provides him.

[Phoenix]

It's not really about what shape he's in, he's just not getting to handle the ball as much which is limiting his production. I think I heard it on Windy's pod that he only brought up the ball 9 times in his Laker debut which was like the least he's ever done it in an NBA game.

Jimmy Butler's in his mid-30s and is not in 100% basketball shape either by his own words, and he looks just fine in GS because they let him cook, in fact his numbers have been elevated instantly by the spacing that Curry provides him.

I'm assuming you've watched both games. Jimmy's baseline for being 'not in 100% shape' and Luka's are two different things. Not only is Luka very clearly gassed out there, he's coming off a calf injury playing 23 minutes a night. Would you have him bringing the ball up 40 times a night right now? I don't know about Windy's podcast, but Luka in the last post game said he's rusty coming off the injury:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARGWEviEhQ8&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights

Who cares what the man himself says though, right? Just about anyone whose express purpose in life isn't making everything about Lebron has made this observation. Most of us, myself included, have said there's redundancies in Luka/Lebron that need to be worked out. That's on the coach and players. Jimmy's style and the Warriors offense are both better immediate fits. We get it, you're not dropping breaking news.

In the meantime, I'm gonna do what most reasonable people do, go out for a walk, touch grass, and look for a larger sample size than two fukking games before sounding the alarm bells.

[90sgoat]

This is the first time that Luka had 2 straight games of 16 points or less since 2021, so Lebron has already turned Luka into Kevin Love.. But unlike Love, we know that Luka was forced into sacrificing his legacy for bron-ball and the fake goat debate, while Wade and Love were cool with it.

If Lebron manages to turn Luka into a role player, then it's done for Lebron's legacy. Luka is a top 10 talent of all time and Lebron is 40 years old. There's no way in hell Luka should take a step back to Lebron.

[Full Court]

Most successful player in the 90s as well.

^Dumb posts like this are exactly why he was voted dumbest poster in ISH history. :confusedshrug:

Legit retarded.

[ImKobe]

I'm assuming you've watched both games. Jimmy's baseline for being 'not in 100% shape' and Luka's are two different things. Not only is Luka very clearly gassed out there, he's coming off a calf injury playing 23 minutes a night. Would you have him bringing the ball up 40 times a night right now? I don't know about Windy's podcast, but Luka in the last post game said he's rusty coming off the injury:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARGWEviEhQ8&ab_channel=HouseofHighlights

Who cares what the man himself says though, right? Just about anyone whose express purpose in life isn't making everything about Lebron has made this observation. Most of us, myself included, have said there's redundancies in Luka/Lebron that need to be worked out. That's on the coach and players. Jimmy's style and the Warriors offense are both better immediate fits. We get it, you're not dropping breaking news.

In the meantime, I'm gonna do what most reasonable people do, go out for a walk, touch grass, and look for a larger sample size than two fukking games before sounding the alarm bells.

Yeah I watched all of the Luka Laker & most of the Jimmy stuff in GS. Luka even when "100%" plays like this for most of his games though in terms of moving as slow as he does, and he said in his presser when he got introduced that he took the normal amount of time to get his calf 100%, so this is preseason Luka as a 25 y.o coming off rest as fresh as he's been in years.

The problem I had watching those games was that he simply didn't get to make as many decisions on the court as I'd hoped. I assume they're going to amend this and slowly re-design the way they do things to make this work as best as possible, but just looking at the first few games it's like he was a role player out there for a lot of those minutes. He should be the one initiating the offense.

And mind you that Luka had a lot of time off, so his calf is no longer an issue, it's just being in "game shape" as in handling the workload getting back in rhythm. He looked good when he did drive or work in the post. He's in his mid-20s and just had like 7 weeks to rest after a calf strain. Just give him the damn ball.

[Phoenix]

Yeah I watched all of the Luka Laker & most of the Jimmy stuff in GS. Luka even when "100%" plays like this for most of his games though in terms of moving as slow as he does, and he said in his presser when he got introduced that he took the normal amount of time to get his calf 100%, so this is preseason Luka as a 25 y.o coming off rest as fresh as he's been in years.

The problem I had watching those games was that he simply didn't get to make as many decisions on the court as I'd hoped. I assume they're going to amend this and slowly re-design the way they do things to make this work as best as possible, but just looking at the first few games it's like he was a role player out there for a lot of those minutes. He should be the one initiating the offense.

And mind you that Luka had a lot of time off, so his calf is no longer an issue, it's just being in "game shape" as in handling the workload getting back in rhythm. He looked good when he did drive or work in the post. He's in his mid-20s and just had like 7 weeks to rest after a calf strain. Just give him the damn ball.

So basically........... he's not in his usual 'shape'. I said he's coming back from a 1 1/2 month injury so he has to get his timing, cardio, whatever the case, plus being on a new team and teammates he's finding his way and vice versa. I specifically used the term 'rusty', not 'his calf is still bothering him'. But considering this is not his first calf injury, I wouldn't be surprised if he's being cautious with his movements. Luka was very clearly slower than his usual methodical style. The fact that he's only playing 23 minutes means he's obviously not being treated like he would be if he had been playing all this time. And against the 13-41 Jazz, why risk a re-injury on a bad team while you're getting him back up to code? Those games basically served as scrimmages. If those games were against like OKC and Boston or other top teams, they may not have even brought him back until after the all-star break. He'd have another week of rest and more importantly another week of 5 on 5s with his new team.

As far as being like a role player, the very nature of Luka's game isn't one you just drop into a lineup mid-season after a trade no-one knew was coming ( at least anyone responsible for making it work on the court). Especially pairing him with a player with similar play tendencies. And that's not forgetting that Austin Reaves also handles the ball and he's playing well enough to where you don't want to cast him to the side. Luka's the type of player that joins a team off-season so you can spend training camp and pre-season maximizing an offense around him. He's not like Durant who is just plug and play. We all know this, so it's not a revelation or surprise to me that he's slow coming out of the gate for all the reasons stated. I doubt you completely gut the core of your defense in AD to bring in Luka and have him sit in a corner. So he'll get the 'damn' ball eventually. If the Lakers want Lebron fresh for a playoff push, they'd be well-advised to hand him the keys. Maybe I'm too old or watched enough basketball to not over-react to 2 games as if Luka is gonna turn into Ben Simmons or something.

[Mask the Embiid]

He should be the one initiating the offense.


Ya, thats never going to happen :oldlol:. why the hell would Luka run the offense when its a better player than him on the team. What reality do you guys live in?


He's in his mid-20s and just had like 7 weeks to rest after a calf strain. Just give him the damn ball.

I’m sure lebron considered it

https://i.postimg.cc/P5Dq9HKN/IMG-4621.gif

[Mask the Embiid]

If lebron is on the nuggets....Lebron runs the offense.

If lebron was on the Celtics.....LEbron runs the offense



If lebron is playing with the warriors.....guess what....the warriors are complely changing how they play and lebron....runs the offense



Suns....lebron....offense...

Thunder.....Lebron would take over the offense.....i know u dont want to believe it.....but he would\

Bucks....Giannis better master how to become a roller in the PnR

are u starting to get it? There aint no backseat in the LeBron James Batmobile and it shouldn't be. He's lebron fking james, are u retarded?



you think Jordan would take the back seat to the fking jazz pnr if he got traded there???No! it aint happenen. He's Michael Jeffrey fking Jordan





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This is not just one of the elite players in the league of his time....This is a mount rushmore player...A MOUNT RUSHMORE PLAYER....This is not hakeem....this is not duncan....This is a mount......rushmore.......player. Luka is never going to run the offense.....get it through your fking head....HE's never going to run the offense on this team. idgaf if he comes in with 4% bodyfat. idc if Jeanie buss sits down and ask lebron as the owner of the team to "let luka run the offense"......its never happening. He would leave..... and guess what? he'd probably go to dallas



ok, i think its finally starting to sink in on the inside with some of you. now go head make an embiid joke to cope

[Axe]

If Lebron manages to turn Luka into a role player, then it's done for Lebron's legacy. Luka is a top 10 talent of all time and Lebron is 40 years old. There's no way in hell Luka should take a step back to Lebron. (https://i.ibb.co/gDsySW3/IMG-20230603-203842.jpg)
Luka could obviously have multiple seasons with his new team. But given lebron's age, they wouldn't be together for a long time anyway.

[ImKobe]

Ya, thats never going to happen :oldlol:. why the hell would Luka run the offense when its a better player than him on the team. What reality do you guys live in?



I’m sure lebron considered it

https://i.postimg.cc/P5Dq9HKN/IMG-4621.gif

You might not like it but Lebron is a #2 now and he's going to have to play like one.