My MVP since 2000

[iamgine]

00 - Shaq
01 - Iverson
02 - Shaq
03 - Tmac
04 - Garnett
05 - Lebron
06 - Lebron
07 - Lebron
08 - Lebron
09 - Lebron
10 - Lebron
11 - Lebron
12 - Lebron
13 - Lebron
14 - Durant
15 - Harden
16 - Curry
17 - Westbrook
18 - Harden
19 - Harden
20 - Harden
21 - Jokic
22 - Jokic
23 - Luka
24 - Luka
25 - Jokic

[ArbitraryWater]

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[John8204]

Using basic ethos of not being a fanboy of any specific player.

00 - Shaq
01 - Chris Webber
02 - Jason Kidd
03 - Allen Iverson
04 - Kevin Garnett
05 - Kobe Bryant
06 - Lebron James
07 - Dirk Nowitzki
08 - Chris Paul
09 - Lebron James
10 - Lebron James
11 - Kobe Bryant
12 - Lebron James
13 - Lebron James
14 - Kevin Durant
15 - Stephen Curry
16 - Stephen Curry
17 - James Harden
18 - Lebron James
19 - Kwahi Leonard
20 - Lebron James
21 - Chris Paul
22 - Giannis
23 - Jokic
24 - Luka Doncic
25 - Jokic

Lebron - 7
Kobe - 2
Curry - 2
CPIII - 2
Jokic - 2

Nash, Rose, Westbrook, Embiid, and Duncan would not get MVP's during that era.

Webber and Paul get MVP's for turning the Suns and Kings around, Kwahi gets his career MVP for the Raptors, Kidd get's his MVP for his Nets run. Lebron overtakes Kareem with 7 MVP's, 4 of them for his runs on the Cav's, Heat, Cav's again and Lakers.

That's how I would have voted...

[ArbitraryWater]

Using basic ethos of not being a fanboy of any specific player.

01 - Chris Webber
02 - Jason Kidd
03 - Allen Iverson
05 - Kobe Bryant
11 - Kobe Bryant


?

I have never heard any of these ever before.

You loosely explained your reason but what exactly makes Kobe the 2005 and 2011 MVP or Webber/Kidd/Iverson/Paul better or more valuable to their team those years than the winners?

[SouBeachTalents]

LeBron & Luka being MVP in years they missed the playoffs

https://media.tenor.com/O73IijKloyUAAAAM/nice-south.gif

[SouBeachTalents]

?

I have never heard any of these ever before.

You loosely explained your reason but what exactly makes Kobe the 2005 and 2011 MVP or Webber/Kidd/Iverson/Paul better or more valuable to their team those years than the winners?
Bro, you should know better than to respond to that poster seriously.

[ArbitraryWater]

Bro, you should know better than to respond to that poster seriously.

I wanna atleast have a chuckle reading his explanation :lol

[John8204]

?

I have never heard any of these ever before.

You loosely explained your reason but what exactly makes Kobe the 2005 and 2011 MVP or Webber/Kidd/Iverson/Paul better or more valuable to their team those years than the winners?

For Chris Webber the team had improved dramatically and Webber was putting up top five in scoring and rebounding that season. This was the season he came in 4th.

Jason Kidd the team went from 26 wins to 52 with him just joining the team...so I would credit him with that turnaround. He came in 2nd that season

Allen Iverson this would have been the season where I would have given him his career MVP, just because the Magic were an 8 seed, I believe he came in 6th that season.

For Kobe one season his team had recovered and they were now a playoff team after one season without Shaq. He came in 2nd in first place votes. In the other year he came in 4th...I wouldn't have Lebron or CPIII MVP's that year as they would have already won 1 or 3 of them.

[ArbitraryWater]

Allen Iverson this would have been the season where I would have given him his career MVP, just because the Magic were an 8 seed, I believe he came in 6th that season.

For Kobe one season his team had recovered and they were now a playoff team after one season without Shaq. He came in 2nd in first place votes. In the other year he came in 4th...I wouldn't have Lebron or CPIII MVP's that year as they would have already won 1 or 3 of them.

I feel like this doesnt seem very solid as reason to award someone an MVP, no? You arbitrarily suggesting otherwise someone would have too many? :lol

I mean you havent stated a single actual reason why he should have won it in 2011.

Also, the lakers did not make the playoffs in 2005. They had not yet recovered.

[Phoenix]

LeBron & Luka being MVP in years they missed the playoffs

https://media.tenor.com/O73IijKloyUAAAAM/nice-south.gif

You missed Kobe in 05 on a 34 win Lakers team. At a certain point you just realize it's not even worth the time and energy.

[John8204]

I feel like this doesnt seem very solid as reason to award someone an MVP, no? You arbitrarily suggesting otherwise someone would have too many? :lol

I mean you havent stated a single actual reason why he should have won it in 2011.

Also, the lakers did not make the playoffs in 2005. They had not yet recovered.

I think you either accept societal norms of the award or don't. Otherwaise Wilt would have had like nine of them, the capping of awards is something that's been the rule of thumb since the beginning

[SouBeachTalents]

You missed Kobe in 05 on a 34 win Lakers team. At a certain point you just realize it's not even worth the time and energy.
I was actually just referring to OP's list. I stopped responding to that John poster a while ago, he's GimmeThat caliber as far as I'm concerned.

[ArbitraryWater]

I think you either accept societal norms of the award or don't. Otherwaise Wilt would have had like nine of them, the capping of awards is something that's been the rule of thumb since the beginning

Wtf is societal norms?

Whats the criteria for it?

And what makes societal norms give Kobe the edge in 2005 or 2011?

Wilt would not have won 9 MVPs, do you not know the MVP existed in Wilts time? He didnt win 9. He won 4. Without "societal norms".

[John8204]

Wtf is societal norms?

Whats the criteria for it?



Societal norms are the informal, unwritten rules that guide how people behave in a group or society. They are based on shared beliefs and expectations.

Consistency within historical context, same thing happens in baseball with "first ballot" Hall of Famers when certain writers simply refuse to vote for obvious players because better players didn't go in unanimously.

[ArbitraryWater]

Consistency within historical context, same thing happens in baseball with "first ballot" Hall of Famers when certain writers simply refuse to vote for obvious players because better players didn't go in unanimously.

Whats the criteria for it?

And what makes societal norms give Kobe the edge in 2005 or 2011?

[ShawkFactory]

More importantly than anything else…does Kobe he the MVP in 2005? He missed like 20 games and the Lakers went 34-48.

Say why he deserved it.

[John8204]

More importantly than anything else…does Kobe he the MVP in 2005? He missed like 20 games and the Lakers went 34-48.

Say why he deserved it.

That's the year before this was the one where he finished 4th..not 04-05 but 05-06...or atleast that's how I read the OP's alignment.

[ShawkFactory]

That's the year before this was the one where he finished 4th..not 04-05 but 05-06...or atleast that's how I read the OP's alignment.

So who should have won in 04-05 then?

[ArbitraryWater]

That's the year before this was the one where he finished 4th..not 04-05 but 05-06...or atleast that's how I read the OP's alignment.

So you have Shaq winning in 2001? Webber in 2002? Kidd in 2003? Iverson in 2004? etc?

[Phoenix]

That's the year before this was the one where he finished 4th..not 04-05 but 05-06...or atleast that's how I read the OP's alignment.

Ok soooo.... what year are you actually saying Kobe should have been MVP? Because if the alignment of your own list is intended as Shaq winning in 00(99-00), then you saying Kobe in 05 would be the 04-5 season. Which is what everyone is saying the team won 34 games and Kobe missed 16 games. No case for MVP that year. That and the year before( 03-4 coming off the Colorado incident) are probably the worst years of what is generally considered Kobe's prime( 01-10). The 06 year (05-06) is the one where Kobe averaged 35, scored 81 and led a medicore Lakers team to the playoffs. I also don't know what his MVP case would be in 2011. Frankly he shouldn't have been first team all-nba over Wade or first team all-defense either, let alone a serious MVP candidate.

[Phoenix]

So you have Shaq winning in 2001? Webber in 2002? Kidd in 2003? Iverson in 2004? etc?

That's what I'm trying to figure out with his list. Is Shaq 00 supposed to be 99-00, or 00-01?

[ArbitraryWater]

That's what I'm trying to figure out with his list. Is Shaq 00 supposed to be 99-00, or 00-01?

He could have long replied. He was online when I asked this.

He has no answer.

Hes either intentionally trolling or deluding himself at max levels.

[Phoenix]

He could have long replied. He was online when I asked this.

He has no answer.

Hes either intentionally trolling or deluding himself at max levels.

He straddles that line perfectly. And then when you dig too deep, the ole 'we all have our opinions' comes out to suppress the discussion. As if none of us know that we're all here just giving our opinions end of the day.

[ArbitraryWater]

He straddles that line perfectly. And then when you dig too deep, the ole 'we all have our opinions' comes out to suppress the discussion. As if none of us know that we're all here just giving our opinions end of the day.

lmao Bingo