Thoughts on the new-look Warriors with Jimmy?

[Im Still Ballin]

A really convincing away win over a strong Sacramento team. Golden State is now 4-1 with Butler.

What do you think?

[dankok8]

A bit too early to tell but Butler seems to fit well. I don't see them contending for the title but they have a better chance to make the playoffs.

[ImKobe]

They're really good. Good enough that they can make a deep Playoff run if health & seeding is on their side. Basically they can beat anyone in the West besides Denver, so they're in the same boat with the Lakers, Mavs & Wolves.

[Im Still Ballin]

Still missing Kuminga. Will be interesting to see how he fits.

[Full Court]

If Butler stays healthy, they're a really good team. They're going to make a tough first round for someone in the playoffs.

[BarberSchool]

Good to see Jimmy recovering from his episode.

Still think it’ll be inconsequential. Warriors look like the only post season noise they can make will be winning their play in game, and one home game.

[Im Still Ballin]

Another strong win. 5-1 now.

[warriorfan]

Looks like a new team. Curry was struggling earlier this year but if you caught any games, teams were doing box and 1 style defenses on him. It was tough.

Jimmy is huge for Curry because he’s another ball handler that lets Curry play off ball.

Jimmy also requires to be defended by a larger 3 and D wing. So Curry won’t be dealing with that anymore and he seeing opposing PG’s instead.

Curry Jimmy pick and roll, PG can’t switch onto Jimmy because just too small.

Jimmy’s man defense and help defense is excellent and you can already see the effects.

Warriors have struggled to get to the line and Jimmy gets to the line as good as anyone. Jimmy helps when the game slows up in the half court. He gives the warriors a look that they needed for awhile. This helps because they can play both fast and slow depending on what’s needed at the time.

Jimmy gives them an edge that was lacking. Dray used to be able to bring that all by himself almost but with him getting older and not as big of a factor, the team needed another guy with that.


According to Kerr the starting line up from here on out is going to be

Curry
Brandon Podz
Jimmy
Moody
Draymond

This line up is good defensively. There can be lots of switching going on. Has a lot of ball handling. Lacking on shooting a bit…if Podz can step up his shooting a bit and consistently hit corner 3’s it will be pretty big. He was playing poorly and had low confidence earlier this year but he’s been playing better lately. BP, Jimmy, and Dray are more comfortable driving than shooting 3’s so this team will be attacking the paint a lot, which is a good thing. The line up is pretty small but it will work vs most teams.

I think Quinton Post can really play too…He’s legit good. He has been a pleasant surprise. He gives the Warriors offense a big boost. He can shoot the lights out, has soft touch around the rim, he’s able to pass. Him setting high screens is a really nice look offensively.

[999Guy]

We’ll see how the league adjusts. They were smoking people on the first month of the year until scouting reports got updated.

I wanna buy into them because Jimmy is that guy, and Draymond has more juice left than people think, to say nothing of Curry. But them self-destructing once already this year has me cautious.

[warriorfan]

We’ll see how the league adjusts. They were smoking people on the first month of the year until scouting reports got updated.

I wanna buy into them because Jimmy is that guy, and Draymond has more juice left than people think, to say nothing of Curry. But them self-destructing once already this year has me cautious.

Warriors have had the second most starting line ups in the league this year. It sounds silly but Melton going down for the year was tough. He was a great fit and filled needed holes in a lot of line ups.

Kerr was trying everything and couldn’t get anything to really work once melton went out. A big problem was spacing and teams figuring out they can really key in on Curry without a problem, there was no scoring threats to take the pressure off of him. It’s tough for players to get comfortable, especially younger players, when the rotations and playing time are so erratic. Warriors had too much mediocre depth and not enough top heavy power. They fixed that with the Jimmy trade and can now build off that. Moody had already looked better with a more defined role and regular playing time. Him at the PF has been working pretty decently even though he was drafted as a SG not too long ago. But that is how the league is now.


Teams “figuring out” the Warriors isn’t the factor here.

The real problem for the Warriors is that the playoffs is about who’s hot at the right time, and most importantly team health. Warriors core of Steph / Jimmy / Dray are in advanced age in NBA standards. All three still have more in the tank than people would think, however injury concerns is big. When you are relying on guys that old the chance of injury goes up considerably. This Warriors team obviously can’t afford to go down a guy in the playoffs either.

[Im Still Ballin]

Great win against NYK at MSG. They're 6th and a game clear of LAC.

GSW are a threat IMO.

[FKAri]

Perfect fit. He gives them a FT and mid range threat that they didn't really have. Once teams are in the penalty. Defenses can't be as physical with Steph. He's also a smart player who knows how to swing the ball around AND he plays defense. What's not to like?

I still think Kuminga's ass and it's disappointing that as hard as they've tried for the last 10 years, they still haven't managed to find an athletic big that can rim run and play D.

[Real Men Wear Green]

He should make them a playoff team but everyone can't be a contender. Is anyone taking them over the Thunder, Lakers or Nuggets?

[warriorfan]

He should make them a playoff team but everyone can't be a contender. Is anyone taking them over the Thunder, Lakers or Nuggets?

Super high quality post dude.

Thank you for your contribution.

[Real Men Wear Green]

Super high quality post dude.

Thank you for your contribution.Oh look, someone reads my posts.

[Axe]

I'm a bit surprised that he seems to get along with the donkey, at least atm lol. Now the gerbil's got a new sidekick to carry his aging butt this second half of the rs.


Oh look, someone reads my posts.
:yaohappy:

[Im Still Ballin]

Jimmy's play-by-play data:


+13.9 on-court rating (306 minutes played), +12.8 on-off net rating

Lineups look great:


Basketball Reference

J. Butler | S. Curry | D. Green | M. Moody | B. Podziemski: 86:35 minutes played (1st), +22.2 net rating
J. Butler | D. Green | M. Moody | B. Podziemski | Q. Post: 39:16 minutes played (4th), +24.7 net rating
J. Butler | B. Hield | K. Looney | B. Podziemski | G. Santos: 26:15 minutes played (10th), +29.0 net rating
J. Butler | D. Green | B. Hield | B. Podziemski | Q. Post: 25:38 minutes played (11th), +30.0 net rating

[tpols]

Warriors Lakers would be an epic 1st round.

[Axe]

Good to see Jimmy recovering from his episode.

Still think it’ll be inconsequential. Warriors look like the only post season noise they can make will be winning their play in game, and one home game.
They seem to have become rejuvenated after receiving him from the trade. But he's only got a few years left now in his tank. He's probably gonna make the most of it.

Anyway, some ot. The redneck dumbass above you loves to flaunt his uncanny homosexuality by bleeding and melting down over posters he dislikes so much itb.

[warriorfan]

Jimmy's play-by-play data:


Lineups look great:

I’ve been telling everyone since that bulls game that Post is ****ing good. He can play.

[Full Court]

They seem to have become rejuvenated after receiving him from the trade. But he's only got a few years left now in his tank. He's probably gonna make the most of it.

Anyway, some ot. The redneck dumbass above you loves to flaunt his uncanny homosexuality by bleeding and melting down over posters he dislikes so much itb.

Imagine being this much of a fragile little bitch. :roll: Personally, I can't even fathom it, but I suppose things are different when you're fat, autistic, dumb, and stinky.

:lebronamazed:

[Wally450]

Steve Kerr says he wanted to get up to the 6 seed. Probably to avoid the play-in. I don't see why they can't get there. They've been playing very well with Butler in the lineup. The Knicks game the ball was moving well, Jimmy and other cutting to the rim, Draymond finding them, Curry running off screens shooting, or finding them on the roll. Seems like they've been playing together a lot longer than they actually have.

[Im Still Ballin]

Since Butler trade:

- 25 games played; 20-5 W/L
- 121.7 ORtg (+7.2 rORtg), 111.0 DRtg (-3.5 rDRtg), +10.8 NRtg

In games Butler and Curry have played:

- 20 games played; 20-2 W/L
- 123.3 ORtg (+8.8 rORtg), 110.0 DRtg (-4.5 rDRtg), +13.3 NRtg

[Real Men Wear Green]

They look better than I thought they would be. I still would pick Thunder in a series but they look better than everyone else.

No player gives his team fans more reasons to both love and hate than Jimmy Butler. Just a month or two ago he was looking like he was wasting a season and yet here he is with a new contract worth a hundred million playing a key role for a team that could make the Finals. Doesn't deserve any awards by could be outplaying and beating guys that do get honored in the playoffs.

[Proctor]

Butler is a sensational player who has had an enormous impact but having watched a lot of the Warriors games since he got there he is (at least for these regular season games before he kicks it up a notch in the playoffs) living off of reputation a little bit offensively. His greatest value above all else is that he allows Curry to be himself and takes so much of the pressure and offensive burden off of him in a way we haven't seen for years with GS and that's why we see Curry dominating since Butler's arrival. He brings diversity to the offense, knows how to get to the line, plays great defense, etc. All of this is true but if you watch GS games Butler looks like he's playing in some weird slow motion, energy conservation mode, never trying too hard and has numerous games where he finishes with like 6, 8, 10 points or is incredibly quiet until the 4th and then finishes with a small flurry. He's some weird high impact foul merchant decoy out there in the regular season so far but I have no doubt he will go to another gear in the playoffs.

He's had a giant impact yet when you watch him he's moving in slow motion and seems content to try to sit there and fish for fouls all game. Like I said he has freed up Curry to be his dingo self and in the process made them a legitimate contender which has led to other interesting variables like Draymond starting to hit 3s more consistently and a suffocating collective team defense and other random hallmarks of previously successful GS runs. That is by far and away the most important outcome of the Butler trade. I'm a little sick of Curry and Draymond putting on clinics and then the postgame glazing of Butler like his 8 point ass did something though. Seems to be the new thing where every win for GS is some big suckoff of Butler.

[warriorfan]

Butler is a sensational player who has had an enormous impact but having watched a lot of the Warriors games since he got there he is (at least for these regular season games before he kicks it up a notch in the playoffs) living off of reputation a little bit offensively. His greatest value above all else is that he allows Curry to be himself and takes so much of the pressure and offensive burden off of him in a way we haven't seen for years with GS and that's why we see Curry dominating since Butler's arrival. He brings diversity to the offense, knows how to get to the line, plays great defense, etc. All of this is true but if you watch GS games Butler looks like he's playing in some weird slow motion, energy conservation mode, never trying too hard and has numerous games where he finishes with like 6, 8, 10 points or is incredibly quiet until the 4th and then finishes with a small flurry. He's some weird high impact foul merchant decoy out there in the regular season so far but I have no doubt he will go to another gear in the playoffs.

He's had a giant impact yet when you watch him he's moving in slow motion and seems content to try to sit there and fish for fouls all game. Like I said he has freed up Curry to be his dingo self and in the process made them a legitimate contender which has led to other interesting variables like Draymond starting to hit 3s more consistently and a suffocating collective team defense and other random hallmarks of previously successful GS runs. That is by far and away the most important outcome of the Butler trade. I'm a little sick of Curry and Draymond putting on clinics and then the postgame glazing of Butler like his 8 point ass did something though. Seems to be the new thing where every win for GS is some big suckoff of Butler.

Butler has been playing within the offense and looking to pass first. He legit hasn’t been looking to score because it hasn’t been needed. Butler has filled in the iguodala role but a super version of him. Jimmy has unlocked the bench because before as soon as steph got off the court the others were hopeless….Now they can stagger Steph and Jimmy and get a lot more out of their rotational players.

Jimmy has a very high ball iq and he has realized he can rebound and defend at a good level while being a secondary or even some of the times a primary playmaker and still get W’s even if he scores less than 10 points. Obviously that might have to change a little in the post season but as of now he hasn’t been scoring less because he can’t, it’s because he hasn’t had too.

[Proctor]

Butler has been playing within the offense and looking to pass first. He legit hasn’t been looking to score because it hasn’t been needed. Butler has filled in the iguodala role but a super version of him. Jimmy has unlocked the bench because before as soon as steph got off the court the others were hopeless….Now they can stagger Steph and Jimmy and get a lot more out of their rotational players.

Jimmy has a very high ball iq and he has realized he can rebound and defend at a good level while being a secondary or even some of the times a primary playmaker and still get W’s even if he scores less than 10 points. Obviously that might have to change a little in the post season but as of now he hasn’t been scoring less because he can’t, it’s because he hasn’t had too.
Yeah, agreed. The Iggy role is spot on, I didn't even think of that.

What worries me is how 75% of his attempts to score is trying to draw a foul and the other 25% in his jumpshot looks way off, at least from what I've seen. Those dare 3s have been ugly. He at times looks uncomfortable being forced to shoot. Hell, Draymond looks more comfortable than him sometimes. I don't remember it like that in Miami.

If he goes even just great D/ "timely 3" / knockdown open mid range Iggy mode in the playoffs, it's a wrap for most teams.

[warriorfan]

Yeah, agreed. The Iggy role is spot on, I didn't even think of that.

What worries me is how 75% of his attempts to score is trying to draw a foul and the other 25% in his jumpshot looks way off, at least from what I've seen. Those dare 3s have been ugly. He at times looks uncomfortable being forced to shoot. Hell, Draymond looks more comfortable than him sometimes. I don't remember it like that in Miami.

If he goes even just great D/ "timely 3" / knockdown open mid range Iggy mode in the playoffs, it's a wrap for most teams.

His 3 is always bad and mediocre when streaky at best. That is normal as far as I am concerned. Most of his offense has been in the post and foul bating but he does the foul bating at crucial times when it’s needed. He has a super high basketball iq and can identify what is needed at the moment and then perform it. He is the epitome of a box score doesn’t tell it all player. We have all seen “playoff jimmy” enough at this point to establish it’s not a meme, it’s a legit thing. Jimmy has been playing winning ball and if there any players that you want to fade because you don’t think they can step it up come playoff time, Jimmy is at the bottom of the list.