Jaren Jackson is about to be eligible for 5 years 345.

[Kblaze8855]

Assuming he wins the defensive player of the year now that Wemby won’t be eligible. Apparently, he’s the favorite. It will be his second and he will be super max eligible.

To me doesn’t feel like the type of team that would pay that kind of money, but they might be the type of team to sign that kind of contract to keep a guy happy for a year or so as they try to make a good run and trade it Before it really kicks in.

The question is to who? The thunder have the best combo of assets and contention, but they have like four potential Max players already and SGA might get 380 million depending on timing. Plus, if they win in the next couple years, they won’t have anything to chase.

Makes sense for the Lakers to go after him to play with Luka when LeBron is gone. But we all know Giannis is the target there.

He’s probably gonna end up somewhere unpredictable like Indiana after being traded for Turner and Siakam or something weird like that and stay in relative obscurity.

He’s such a weird guy. He feels almost like a poorly thought out 2K build. Really mobile great defensive center who gives you 23 a game and can spread the floor… But has that Rasheed Wallace condition where he mysteriously goes out there and gets you four rebounds.

maybe they talk him into leaving 50 million on the table but either way I don’t expect Memphis to actually pay that contract.

so where is he going? Who makes sense that I forgot about?

Or is he just gonna end up flipped to the nets for draft picks to play with whoever they draft the next couple years?

[highwhey]

I would forgive James Jones if he traded for him whilst keeping Booker. But I cannot see how they would achieve that since they have no assets this decade, and KD will for sure be gone by then.

[warriorfan]

Poor passing and rebounding. Not a great 3 point shooter. Only has played 70 games once in his career.

Pass.


I would forgive James Jones if he traded for him whilst keeping Booker. But I cannot see how they would achieve that since they have no assets this decade, and KD will for sure be gone by then.

Your team was done as soon as they went deep into the second apron for Super Max contract Bradley Beal with a no trade clause.

That was suicidal.

[1987_Lakers]

Mobley should get DPOY. Jackson's raw stats are better, but Mobley is a more well wounded defender who could defend the perimeter.

[Wally450]

I would forgive James Jones if he traded for him whilst keeping Booker. But I cannot see how they would achieve that since they have no assets this decade, and KD will for sure be gone by then.

I thought you were a Mavs fan? Or Nuggets, can't remember.

[highwhey]

I thought you were a Mavs fan? Or Nuggets, can't remember.

I am a basketball fan

[highwhey]

Poor passing and rebounding. Not a great 3 point shooter. Only has played 70 games once in his career.

Pass.



Your team was done as soon as they went deep into the second apron for Super Max contract Bradley Beal with a no trade clause.

That was suicidal.

yes, i've stated that before. whole front office needs to get canned for those moves. but the KD trade precipitated all this "must win now" moves. any half decent GM should have seen the extreme redundancy of having 3 offense first wing players with high salaries.

[highwhey]

real talk though, if the suns *were* to move Book, i hope he would go to the Nuggets. it would be the best move for basketball to see Jokic get a good #2. the offense between those two would be fun to watch :basketball

[Real Men Wear Green]

The body is not the same but the things he can do for you are a lot like Kristaps Porzingis. If you have a guy that can protect the basket, stretch the floor, and score points at a high level when used properly is not too bad of a trade-off if the other big or forward has to grab a few more rebounds. If Porizingis didn't miss so many games he would be a max player. JJJ is worth the regular max.

I would not want him at supermax if I didn't have a set championship roster. They should be able to at least explore something under 300 mil without making him too mad. If the stark choice is either that or he leaves then you keep him and he likely gets moved to a rich team down the line because you don't want to lose the asset. But the Grizzlies don't seem to be the type of franchise that can pay a non-superstar the full supermax.

I don't think the Thunder trade for him. Thunder already have Holmgren to protect the basket and a big contract in Hartenstein. That's too much money committed where it isn't needed.

Lakers are very likely once James is gone. Doncic helps make up for the rebounding while JJJ is there to cover for the numerous times he's beat off the dribble. Also a great offensive fit. Might just be better for them than Giannis, he's younger and they won't have to give up as much talent.

If I was the knicks I will of offer KAT for him. Towns is an excellent player of you just analyze things in a video game player rating kind of way. He's a great shooter, he can score in the paint when he remembers how big he is and he rebounds at a high level. But if you only play one true big he needs to be a great defender if you are going to win a championship. Towns doesn't protect the basket and isn't quick enough to keep up with perimeter players on switches. He's actually the reason why the Knick defense is bad but won't get blamed when they lose because he will still get you 25 and 12. Move him for JJJ and rely on Hart and others to make up for the rebounds and maybe then the Knicks will be a real threat.

[Xiao Yao You]

Luka would still need a rim runner

[Kblaze8855]

I would forgive James Jones if he traded for him whilst keeping Booker. But I cannot see how they would achieve that since they have no assets this decade, and KD will for sure be gone by then.

The suns can be 20 million under the cap next summer even keeping Booker and Beal. Just depends what they want to do with KD. If they keep him, he’s an expiring 55 million. If they trade him for someone on a long-term deal that obviously changes things. But they don’t actually have much salary going forward. They have less on the books year after next than the Kings, Pacers, or Raptors.

They’re under the cap before his new contract would even kick in.

They could trade KD to Memphis for him early and let Memphis take a swing at a championship I suppose. Memphis see what it can do in a one-year window and then they would have more than Max money to pay somebody next off-season when they let Durant walk.

[warriorfan]

The suns can be 20 million under the cap next summer even keeping Booker and Beal. Just depends what they want to do with KD. If they keep him, he’s an expiring 55 million. If they trade him for someone on a long-term deal that obviously changes things. But they don’t actually have much salary going forward. They have less on the books year after next than the Kings, Pacers, or Raptors.

They’re under the cap before his new contract would even kick in.

They could trade KD to Memphis for him early and let Memphis take a swing at a championship I suppose. Memphis see what it can do in a one-year window and then they would have more than Max money to pay somebody next off-season when they let Durant walk.

They are paying a role player 50 Million this year, 53 Million next year, then the year after that he has a player option for 57.

You can’t form any sort of complete team with Bradly Beal making that much. He’s just not good.

Suns can’t trade him because of the NTC (they tried).

Bradly Beal is essentially holding the entire Sun’s franchise hostage for the next 3 years.

It’s the most toxic contract in nba history.

[Neal Romer]

Hes a good player with good leadership/professionalism, you could definitely see him as a part of a championship team. Is he worth the supermax, I dunno. I take more of a hard line on how elite a player should be to get max contracts than most teams seem to, so we'll see.

The Clippers I could see wanting him and paying him if they decide to start shifting in a new direction after this years playoffs. The Kings would love to have him up front with Domas Im sure but I dont know that theyd be able to make it work salary wise now that theyve taken on Lavine who will be hard to move. Obviously the Wolves would trade Toody in a heartbeat for him but there likely wouldnt be any takers.

It's interesting anyway. Has a player ever been supermax eligible and ended up agreeing to something lower? I would assume it's happened but cant think of specific cases

[warriorfan]

Hes a good player with good leadership/professionalism, you could definitely see him as a part of a championship team. Is he worth the supermax, I dunno. I take more of a hard line on how elite a player should be to get max contracts than most teams seem to, so we'll see.

The Clippers I could see wanting him and paying him if they decide to start shifting in a new direction after this years playoffs. The Kings would love to have him up front with Domas Im sure but I dont know that theyd be able to make it work salary wise now that theyve taken on Lavine who will be hard to move. Obviously the Wolves would trade Toody in a heartbeat for him but there likely wouldnt be any takers.

It's interesting anyway. Has a player ever been to justify eligible and ended up agreeing to something lower? I would assume it's happened but cant think of specific cases

Jalen Brunson left a little over 100 mil on the table when he finally signed his last contract with the knicks.

[Neal Romer]

Jalen Brunson left a little over 100 mil on the table when he finally signed his last contract with the knicks.

Aye, thats a good point.

[Kblaze8855]

Hes a good player with good leadership/professionalism, you could definitely see him as a part of a championship team. Is he worth the supermax, I dunno. I take more of a hard line on how elite a player should be to get max contracts than most teams seem to, so we'll see.

The Clippers I could see wanting him and paying him if they decide to start shifting in a new direction after this years playoffs. The Kings would love to have him up front with Domas Im sure but I dont know that theyd be able to make it work salary wise now that theyve taken on Lavine who will be hard to move. Obviously the Wolves would trade Toody in a heartbeat for him but there likely wouldnt be any takers.

It's interesting anyway. Has a player ever been supermax eligible and ended up agreeing to something lower? I would assume it's happened but cant think of specific cases

Not off the top of my head. Jalen wasn’t Supermax eligible. He left money but he couldn’t get Supermax to begin with because he joined as a free agent. He wouldn’t be eligible till a set number of years there.

it seems like everyone eligible for one gets one. I’m wondering if there’s a bit of an unspoken agreement when they change the eligibility. Maybe there’s a handshake deal in place where they limited who could get one, but agreed everyone eligible would get it.

The max is only in place to protect owners and it does exactly that by limiting how damaging a contract can be. The second year of the new rights deal. The cap will be 170+ million dollars. You can pay a guy 50…a young guy the rookie super max and give him 40…sign another free agent for 40… And still be 40 million under the cap. And you can exceeded the cap to re-sign your own guys.

And then the cap goes up eight more years from that with the built-in cap smoothing.

It’s not really gonna hurt a team to pay a guy 60 something million dollars.

The new system basically allows you to do whatever you want in a limited window. If you want to go for it, you can go get three max guys and try to win right now then break it up in three or four years.

The first few years of a new deal when you have guys locked in on what used to be considered insane money? That’s when you have the chance to do these things.

A guy like Jaylen Brown got 300 million and it’s about to be an absolute bargain.

The backend of the new deal when a guy like this might get 420 million and you can’t be sure what the rights deal starting in 11 years will look like? That’s when teams might be wary.

The cap increases exceed the raises at this point so a lot of people making 50+ going forward are actually less of the cap than when they made 40 million a few years ago. Klay Thompsons 38 million from 22 is the same cap hit as someone’s 59 million in 27.

It’s almost exactly the same as Baron Davis, Randolph, Antawn Jamison, and Rudy gay made ten years before that.

They have managed to raise salary…and reduce the potential damage of a max deal at the same time.

Where we are headed 60 million is what a good non-All-Star will make. So they aren’t gonna stress about 65 or 70 for a young defensive player of the year.

Well, someone might. But the teams that are Trying to win in a small window won’t.

which is why I think Memphis might sign it and then move him somewhere like the Lakers who don’t give a shit and just want to hang a banner every decade on principle.

[warriorfan]

Not off the top of my head. Jalen wasn’t Supermax eligible. He left money but he couldn’t get Supermax to begin with because he joined as a free agent. He wouldn’t be eligible till a set number of years there.

it seems like everyone eligible for one gets one. I’m wondering if there’s a bit of an unspoken agreement when they change the eligibility. Maybe there’s a handshake deal in place where they limited who could get one, but agreed everyone eligible would get it.

The max is only in place to protect owners and it does exactly that by limiting how damaging a contract can be. The second year of the new rights deal. The cap will be 170+ million dollars. You can pay a guy 50…a young guy the rookie super max and give him 40…sign another free agent for 40… And still be 40 million under the cap. And you can exceeded the cap to re-sign your own guys.

And then the cap goes up eight more years from that with the built-in cap smoothing.

It’s not really gonna hurt a team to pay a guy 60 something million dollars.

The new system basically allows you to do whatever you want in a limited window. If you want to go for it, you can go get three max guys and try to win right now then break it up in three or four years.

The first few years of a new deal when you have guys locked in on what used to be considered insane money? That’s when you have the chance to do these things.

A guy like Jaylen Brown got 300 million and it’s about to be an absolute bargain.

The backend of the new deal when a guy like this might get 420 million and you can’t be sure what the rights deal starting in 11 years will look like? That’s when teams might be wary.

The cap increases exceed the raises at this point so a lot of people making 50+ going forward are actually less of the cap than when they made 40 million a few years ago. Klay Thompsons 38 million from 22 is the same cap hit as someone’s 59 million in 27.

It’s almost exactly the same as Baron Davis, Randolph, Antawn Jamison, and Rudy gay made ten years before that.

They have managed to raise salary…and reduce the potential damage of a max deal at the same time.

Where we are headed 60 million is what a good non-All-Star will make. So they aren’t gonna stress about 65 or 70 for a young defensive player of the year.

Well, someone might. But the teams that are Trying to win in a small window won’t.

which is why I think Memphis might sign it and then move him somewhere like the Lakers who don’t give a shit and just want to hang a banner every decade on principle.

He left over 100 million on the table. Jalen not being eligible for Super Max isn’t really relevant. What is, is that he could have gotten 100 million more but took a more team friendly contract in order to be more competitive.

There is nothing stopping Jaren Jackson from taking less than the Super Max.

[Kblaze8855]

Of course nothing is stopping him. But the question was which Supermax eligible people did not get it. And I’m not saying the answer is zero I’m saying, I can’t think of one and Jalen is not eligible. People have been taking less money than they could’ve gotten since the dawn of time. it’s just now the numbers are big enough for it to be a giant number.

Brunson will be eligible for a super max in a couple years and I’m wondering what happens then.

I’m actually wondering how big a role the union plays. If there’s a handshake arrangement between the owners and the union, the union may quietly force players not to take less. Maybe they’re looking at it like the super max is still a tool of the owners Because Max contracts are designed the limit potential salary. If JJ gets one it’s probably worth considering.

It was the smoothest CBA in negotiation I can remember. There was a lockout in 94. A lockout in 98. There was a lockout in 2011. This One went straight through without a problem.

Would you be shocked if there is some under the table arrangement to just give it to everyone who is eligible In exchange for limiting eligibility, the way they did?

[ArbitraryWater]

I thought you were a Mavs fan? Or Nuggets, can't remember.


wut

[warriorfan]

Of course nothing is stopping him. But the question was which Supermax eligible people did not get it. And I’m not saying the answer is zero I’m saying, I can’t think of one and Jalen is not eligible. People have been taking less money than they could’ve gotten since the dawn of time. it’s just now the numbers are big enough for it to be a giant number.

Brunson will be eligible for a super max in a couple years and I’m wondering what happens then.

I’m actually wondering how big a role the union plays. If there’s a handshake arrangement between the owners and the union, the union may quietly force players not to take less. Maybe they’re looking at it like the super max is still a tool of the owners Because Max contracts are designed the limit potential salary. If JJ gets one it’s probably worth considering.

It was the smoothest CBA in negotiation I can remember. There was a lockout in 94. A lockout in 98. There was a lockout in 2011. This One went straight through without a problem.

Would you be shocked if there is some under the table arrangement to just give it to everyone who is eligible In exchange for limiting eligibility, the way they did?

If the situation you are proposing is true….what explains the Wizards adding a no trade clause to Bradley Beal’s contract?

What is more probable is that front offices in all sports make gigantic errors all the time.

[Axe]

It would be better to give that kind of offer to him instead of morant, who can still be prone to injuries and unruly behavior.

[90sgoat]

Don't pay him.

He's good and underrated but he is like a very poor man's Garnett and won't win as number 1.

[Xiao Yao You]

Hes a good player with good leadership/professionalism, you could definitely see him as a part of a championship team. Is he worth the supermax, I dunno. I take more of a hard line on how elite a player should be to get max contracts than most teams seem to, so we'll see.

The Clippers I could see wanting him and paying him if they decide to start shifting in a new direction after this years playoffs. The Kings would love to have him up front with Domas Im sure but I dont know that theyd be able to make it work salary wise now that theyve taken on Lavine who will be hard to move. Obviously the Wolves would trade Toody in a heartbeat for him but there likely wouldnt be any takers.

It's interesting anyway. Has a player ever been supermax eligible and ended up agreeing to something lower? I would assume it's happened but cant think of specific cases

Ish fave gobert didnt ask for the super max. Also his 2nd contract he took 25 mill a year instead of waiting to get maxed out. Had had some injuries so took the 100 mill. And just extended on a more team friendly deal. Ultimate team guy. All about winning

[Xiao Yao You]

Hes a good player with good leadership/professionalism, you could definitely see him as a part of a championship team. Is he worth the supermax, I dunno. I take more of a hard line on how elite a player should be to get max contracts than most teams seem to, so we'll see.

The Clippers I could see wanting him and paying him if they decide to start shifting in a new direction after this years playoffs. The Kings would love to have him up front with Domas Im sure but I dont know that theyd be able to make it work salary wise now that theyve taken on Lavine who will be hard to move. Obviously the Wolves would trade Toody in a heartbeat for him but there likely wouldnt be any takers.

It's interesting anyway. Has a player ever been supermax eligible and ended up agreeing to something lower? I would assume it's happened but cant think of specific cases

They just signed gobert to an extension so they obiously arent looking to trade one of their top 2 guys. ****in' trolls :roll:

[999Guy]

yes, i've stated that before. whole front office needs to get canned for those moves. but the KD trade precipitated all this "must win now" moves. any half decent GM should have seen the extreme redundancy of having 3 offense first wing players with high salaries.

I wanna throw in signing Ayton to a max deal was proposterous and immediately signaled the end of the Suns contending for me.


Trading CP3 for a mediocre Beal and Bridges/Cam old ass KD was par for the course at that point.

[GOBB]

That’s a lot of money. Is Jaren Jackson a glue guy? If so maybe you can bite the bullet and pay him. If not I’d probably wouldn’t give it. Haven’t watched him enough to speak on his impact on the team.


Btw a glue guy is someone like Igoudala, Noah, Kmart, Draymond were

[90sgoat]

I wanna throw in signing Ayton to a max deal was proposterous and immediately signaled the end of the Suns contending for me.


Trading CP3 for a mediocre Beal and Bridges/Cam old ass KD was par for the course at that point.

Trading CP3 in retrospect was a huge mistake.

[Kblaze8855]

Appears Rudy may be the answer. He asked for the Supermax and didn’t get it


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[Xiao Yao You]

Appears Rudy may be the answer. He asked for the Supermax and didn’t get it


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He didnt ask for it but why would i expect your reading comprehension to be any better than the rest?

[Kblaze8855]

Salt Lake City based jazz reporter says he did. A Dallas based Mavs reporter says he didn’t. It’s certainly not worth arguing years later.

[Xiao Yao You]

Salt Lake City based jazz reporter says he did. A Dallas based Mavs reporter says he didn’t. It’s certainly not worth arguing years later.
A mavs reporter or the jazz reporter. I wonder who had the scoop?:facepalm

[Kblaze8855]

The person quoted is the Jazz reporter….the Mavs reporter is the one who contradicted him.