Josh Giddey in February: 19.1 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 5.0 apg, 1.5 spg, 1.0 bpg on 62.8% TS

[Im Still Ballin]

Shooting 48.8% 3PT on 5.4 attempts. Only 8 games but he's really balled out since gaining greater ball-handling duties with LaVine shipped out. Still only 22. Shooting has shown small improvements. I think his improved defense and increased physical play leading to more foul drawing are more notable though.

I wonder what kind of deal he ends up getting in the offseason. I believe he's a RFA so there might be an offer sheet signed. I think he's worth 20-25m to the right team but I hear he wants 30.

If CHI actually does a rebuild and tanks for a few years with Josh as the tank commander a frontloaded contract could work. Would fit their timeline but I hear the Bulls ownership doesn't like to tank.

[highwhey]

https://thesoftwarepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/microsoft-office-pdf-document.jpg

[Neal Romer]

https://thesoftwarepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/microsoft-office-pdf-document.jpg

Ffs.

The pdf file thing, which I'm sure you did not make up, was mildly humorous the first time you posted it.

But dude... For god's sake. You are BEATING IT TO DEATH. You've said this shit 10,000 times. That and "Patrick Chewing weighs 400 pounds." You keep posting these things on a loop.

If you're not clever enough to make jokes germane to a conversation, just chill. Relax. We dont need to hear you keep posting the same things over and over. Nobody has an appetite for more highwhey shtick. Just dont post if you dont have something besides that.

I'm not even trying to beef with you. I'm trying to tell you this is one of the things that makes you tedious as hell. Stop forcing things and trying so hard. ****ing chill.

[highwhey]

Ffs.

The pdf file thing, which I'm sure you did not make up, was mildly humorous the first time you posted it.

But dude... For god's sake. You are BEATING IT TO DEATH. You've said this shit 10,000 times. That and "Patrick Chewing weighs 400 pounds." You keep posting these things on a loop.

If you're not clever enough to make jokes germane to a conversation, just chill. Relax. We dont need to hear you keep posting the same things over and over. Nobody has an appetite for more highwhey shtick. Just dont post if you dont have something besides that.

I'm not even trying to beef with you. I'm trying to tell you this is one of the things that makes you tedious as hell. Stop forcing things and trying so hard. ****ing chill.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/keo_LMSfPvg/maxresdefault.jpg

[Neal Romer]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/keo_LMSfPvg/maxresdefault.jpg

No doubt no doubt. I see the relevance in this case.

I'm just... Im just trying to offer a constructive reminder... Things like this would be funnier... if you hadnt spammed it so much already the last two months.

*Breathes*

Nevertheless. I am an idiot myself for getting bent out of shape about something so trivial. I certainly have my own share of character flaws to get a handle on.

[MrFonzworth]

No doubt no doubt. I see the relevance in this case.

I'm just... Im just trying to offer a constructive reminder... Things like this would be funnier... if you hadnt spammed it so much already the last two months.

*Breathes*

Nevertheless. I am an idiot myself for getting bent out of shape about something so trivial. I certainly have my own share of character flaws to get a handle on.

:roll::roll::roll:

[Neal Romer]

:roll::roll::roll:


Hey Mr F*cking Fonzworth, do you got a problem with the way-



*breathes*



Nevermind.

[Overdrive]

https://thesoftwarepro.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/microsoft-office-pdf-document.jpg

Had to check how old a high school junior is. It's 16 to 17 years old. He was dating her when he was 19. That's nothing out of the norm for any non puritanical country.

The irony is that you keep on posting girls you think are hot, who look like underage boys, while you are in your 30s.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's lighting up Philly right now. 20 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 3 blocks with like 24 minutes left in the game.

[Neal Romer]

He's lighting up Philly right now. 20 points, 10 rebounds, 5 assists, 1 steal, and 3 blocks with like 24 minutes left in the game.


Yeah, I think many people who werent watching assumed he was some kinda bust bc he had a shooting slump and then OKC traded him. Not the case. He just didnt fit their starting lineup, they asked if he wanted to come off the bench or find a trade, he asked for the latter.

IIRC he came into the league as one of the youngest rookies ever and was already getting a lot of "second youngest to... get a triple double, or this or that etc" behind a bunch of Lebron's "youngest to" records. Hes still just 22 now. Still not even close to that 25-26 prime age.

Hes a valuable player without a doubt.

[Im Still Ballin]

- 25 points, 16 rebounds, 6 assists, 1 steal, 3 blocks, 6 turnovers
- 8-11 FG, 3-3 3PT, 6-6 FT
- +28

Not a bad game from Josh.

[Im Still Ballin]

Yeah, I think many people who werent watching assumed he was some kinda bust bc he had a shooting slump and then OKC traded him. Not the case. He just didnt fit their starting lineup, they asked if he wanted to come off the bench or find a trade, he asked for the latter.

IIRC he came into the league as one of the youngest rookies ever and was already getting a lot of "second youngest to... get a triple double, or this or that etc" behind a bunch of Lebron's "youngest to" records. Hes still just 22 now. Still not even close to that 25-26 prime age.

Hes a valuable player without a doubt.

He's making incremental year-on-year improvements regarding shooting, defense, and foul drawing. I could see him getting a sneak All-Star appearance or two like Gordon Hayward if everything develops and he's on the right team playing the right role.

Hard to think of a player comparison. An in-shape young Boris Diaw?

[Im Still Ballin]

He's not a pull-up shooter. Don't think he'll ever be that. More like a Jason Kidd spot-up type.

I think a mix of younger, in-shape Boris Diaw and older Mavs Kidd is probably a solid upside comp. Some elements of both. Will never have Kidd's defense but at 6'8" he can play out of those secondary actions (screen, hand-off, and roll) and create shots from there in the short roll.

[Neal Romer]

He's making incremental year-on-year improvements regarding shooting, defense, and foul drawing. I could see him getting a sneak All-Star appearance or two like Gordon Hayward if everything develops and he's on the right team playing the right role.

Hard to think of a player comparison. An in-shape young Boris Diaw?

Some of it yeah, maybe not as much of a matchup issue in the post as Diaw could be.

Tall pass-first ball handler, good in transition and finishing at the basket, dubious outside shooting at times...

Tall Rondo?

[Im Still Ballin]

He's cooking again. 21 points, 5 rebounds, 10 assists on 8/11 FG and 4/4 3PT with 7 minutes left in the 4th.

[Im Still Ballin]

Some of it yeah, maybe not as much of a matchup issue in the post as Diaw could be.

Tall pass-first ball handler, good in transition and finishing at the basket, dubious outside shooting at times...

Tall Rondo?

More like Kidd I'd say. Has shown way more shooting potential and uses physicality when driving inside which is more Jason than Rajon.

[Im Still Ballin]

Another great game against a Western Conference playoff team. That three-point shot is really coming along.

- 37 minutes played
- 21 points, 8 rebounds, 12 assists, 1 steal, 5 turnovers
- 8/14 FG, 4/4 3PT, 1/2 FT
- +5

[warriorfan]

Giddey was a really solid young player last year. He got an unfair amount of bad rap for having a poor shooting slump in the playoffs. The only thing he really needed was to improve his shooting a bit and it seems like it was very possible it could happen. OKC of course had the logjam of young talent too. I thought the trade was a good move for both teams when it went through.

[Im Still Ballin]

Last 16 games:

- 32.1 minutes per game
- 17.5 ppg, 7.9 rpg, 6.2 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.9 topg
- 51.6% FG, 52.7% 2PT (7.4 attempts), 50.0% 3PT (4.6 attempts), 83.3% FT (3.4 attempts), 61.2% eFG, 64.9% TS

[tpols]

SGA dribbles and prods too much to fit with giddey. They tried to make that man a 3pt spot up shooter while defenses funneled the ball to him.

[Meticode]

No one cares. The Bulls are 2-8 for the month of February.

[Carbine]

No one cares. The Bulls are 2-8 for the month of February.

^ that's a pretty immature way of taking this info

The point is he's not a bust, not that he's a floor raising superstar

[Meticode]

^ that's a pretty immature way of taking this info

The point is he's not a bust, not that he's a floor raising superstar

I don't think he's a bust, but he's a decent player on a horrible team just putting up empty stats at this point. Until it translates into wins it won't mean anything.

[Im Still Ballin]

I don't think he's a bust, but he's a decent player on a horrible team just putting up empty stats at this point. Until it translates into wins it won't mean anything.

I get what you're saying but he's played some strong teams lately. While Chicago lost those games, Giddey played great and had a positive +/-.

2pt loss to NYK: 27 pts, 16 rbs, 4 asts, 1 stl, 1 blk, 4 tos; 11-18 FG, 4-6 3PT, 1-1 FT; +7
4pt loss to PHX: 24 pts, 8 rbs, 10 asts, 3 stls, 1 blk, 0 tos; 6-14 FG, 3-5 3PT, 9-9 FT; +2
5pt loss to LAC: 21 pts, 8 rbs, 12 asts, 1 stl, 5 tos; 8-14 FG, 4-4 3PT, 1-2 FT; +8

Has other good performances against strong opposition over the last month.

Like Carbine said he's not going to be that superstar guy, so your expectations are a little harsh. He'd have to become an elite pull-up shooter to become that. I just don't ever see that happening. He looks like a Jason Kidd type of shooter who becomes a strong spot-up shooter over time. Josh even has the same set shot technique.

But he has a legitimate pathway to success with continued improvements in spot-up shooting, defense, and two-point scoring (floater, rim attacks, foul drawing). Hard to say what sort of player that would round out to, but it's one that has value on a number of teams.

[Im Still Ballin]

For fun, here's how Giddey and Kidd compare at ages 21 and 22:

Kidd:
- 35.6 minutes per game
- 14.2 points, 6.1 rebounds, 8.7 assists, 2.0 steals, 0.3 blocks, 3.6 turnovers
- per 100 poss: 20.1 points, 8.7 rebounds, 12.3 assists, 2.9 steals, 0.4 blocks, 5.1 turnovers
- 38.3% FG, 31.1% 3PT (4.1 attempts), 41.4% 2PT (9.4 attempts), 69.5% FT (3.8 attempts), 47.0% TS (87 TS+)
- +1.6 BPM (1.5 off; 0.1 def)

Giddey:
- 26.8 minutes per game
- 12.6 points, 6.8 rebounds, 5.5 assists, 0.8 steals, 0.6 blocks, 2.4 turnovers
- per 100 poss: 22.3 points, 12.1 rebounds, 9.8 assists, 1.5 steals, 1.0 blocks, 4.2 turnovers
- 46.8% FG, 35.8% 3PT (3.4 attempts), 52.1% 2PT (7.2 attempts), 79.3% FT (1.9 attempts), 55.3% TS (96 TS+)
- +1.6 BPM (1.1 off; 0.5 def)

[Im Still Ballin]

Another strong game.

- 40 minutes played
- 19 points, 8 rebounds, 12 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 1 turnover
- 7/17 FG, 2/6 3PT, 3/4 FT
- +16

[warriorfan]

The Big Kidd

[Meticode]

We'll see if he plays like this when the team he's on is legitimately competitive.

[tpols]

And... he did it again.

Highlights soon to come.

[Meticode]

So is Giddey playing this well because LaVine isn't there anymore? This started happening around the trade deadline. In February he averaged 20/8/6 on 50/54/83

[Im Still Ballin]

Huge performance from Josh tonight. Got the win, too.

- 26 points, 10 rebounds, 12 assists, 1 steal, 1 block, 4 turnovers
- 9/15 FG, 3/4 3PT, 5/6 FT
- +26

[Im Still Ballin]

That three-point shot has really come along. He's shooting 44.3% 3PT on 4.0 attempts per game over the last 29 games.

Last 20 games:

- 33.2 minutes per game
- 18.1 ppg, 8.4 rpg (2.2 off), 7.0 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.9 bpg, 2.8 topg
- 49.8% FG, 51.9% 2PT (8.1 attempts), 46.2% 3PT (4.6 attempts), 81.9% FT (4.2 attempts), 62.5% TS (109 TS+)

[Axe]

Great performance and win but he and the bulls still have a lot of work to do. Would like to see him create an impact similar to what lonzo ball did in 21/22 before he got screwed by his injury.

[Im Still Ballin]

Don't want to jinx him and the Bulls but...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWa0dZMHYeE&ab_channel=asphnxma

[Im Still Ballin]

Josh continues his stellar play with a win over Indiana.

- 28 minutes played
- 29 points, 10 rebounds, 4 assists, 1 block, 3 turnovers
- 11/18 FG, 2/5 3PT, 5/5 FT
- +26 (game high)

[Im Still Ballin]

*UPDATE*

Josh has continued his stellar play, putting up 23.1 ppg, 10.9 rpg, 8.4 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.9 bpg on 65.5% TS in 35.0 minutes per game over 9 games since the All-Star break. He has shot 52.2% FG, 52.3% 2PT (10.7 attempts), 52.5% 3PT (4.4 attempts), and 86.5% FT (5.8 attempts).

For a larger sample over 21 games, Josh in 33.0 minutes per game has averaged 18.6 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 6.8 apg, 1.1 spg, 0.9 bpg on 63.1% TS. Shooting splits of 50.6% FG, 53.0% 2PT (8.3 attempts), 45.8% 3PT (4.6 attempts), and 83.0% FT (4.2 attempts).

[Im Still Ballin]

Highlights from tonight's game:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNRcVJw3hC4&ab_channel=ZHHighlights

[Im Still Ballin]

Great performance in his return from injury coming off the bench. Picked up right where he left off.

- 31 minutes played
- 22 points, 7 rebounds (1 offensive), 6 assists, 2 steals, 1 block, 1 turnover
- 10/15 FG, 2/4 3PT
- +2 (highest on the team for players who played more than 5 mins)

[Im Still Ballin]

Why I'm confident in Giddey's three-point shot:

1) Has great general dexterity (fine motor skills/coordination of the fingers & hands.) Josh is a strong ball handler and an elite passer with an impressive bag/array of passes.
2) Appears to have good joint flexibility.
3) Is a strong free-throw shooter.

Many poor shooters simply lack the dexterity and joint flexibility to be proficient. Josh's competence as a ball handler, passer, and free-throw shooter supports the idea that Josh's problem is technique-related. His flexibility in the shooting joints (wrist, elbow, shoulder) looks good to my eye. Gets the elbow in and flicks the wrist.

Just needs the right coaching to unlearn bad habits. And we've seen that over the last few months. 55/124 (44.35% 3pt on 4.0 attempts) over the last 31 games. 46/100 (46.0% 3pt on 4.5 attempts) over the last 22 games. 23/44 (52.3% 3pt on 4.4 attempts) over the last 10 games.

[Im Still Ballin]

An absolutely MONSTER game tonight in the win against LAL @ Crypto. I think he's the closest to achieving a quadruple-double in a long time. Aside from Wemby.

- 33 minutes played
- 15 points, 10 rebounds (3 offensive), 17 assists, 8 steals, 2 turnovers
- 5/11 FG, 1/2 3PT, 4/6 FT
- +22

[Im Still Ballin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N9t543hxDYM

[Xiao Yao You]

Are they winning any games or are these just more empty stats?

[GimmeThat]

the Bulls are 3rd in pace (102.8) this season, the 22-23 Thunders were 6th (101.1), so Giddey is certainly balling

[tpols]

8 steals in a game is crazy. He's not even that fast, dudes anticipation is just next level I guess. Something about these aussies they're all super High IQ players ~ Diaw, Ingles, Giddy, Bogut etc.

[Neal Romer]

8 steals in a game is crazy. He's not even that fast, dudes anticipation is just next level I guess. Something about these aussies they're all super High IQ players ~ Diaw, Ingles, Giddy, Bogut etc.


Boris Diaw is French my dude.

If youd have supported Blade In America you would have known that.

[Xiao Yao You]

8 steals in a game is crazy. He's not even that fast, dudes anticipation is just next level I guess. Something about these aussies they're all super High IQ players ~ Diaw, Ingles, Giddy, Bogut etc.

Diaw is french but we know french bigs are high iq

[GimmeThat]

albeit it's comparison between college and the NBA, Giddey is putting up those numbers with a roughly 10% lower usage rate than Cooper Flagg

[90sgoat]

OKC misused Giddey, he's definitely a point guard, old school distributor.

[warriorfan]

Are they winning any games or are these just more empty stats?

Gobert has made the conference finals once in 12 years of playing in the NBA.

If you are playing this game Gobert’s entire career has been empty stats (not even great ones at that)

[tpols]

Boris Diaw is French my dude.

If youd have supported Blade In America you would have known that.

Ah shite... for some reason I thought he was from down under mate. We'll replace him with patty mills and Dante exum.

[tpols]

Diaw is french but we know french bigs are high iq

I had to take that back, sorry mate. Sacre blue.

[GimmeThat]

OKC misused Giddey, he's definitely a point guard, old school distributor.

I don't know if I'd classify players with the basic understanding of the triple threat as point guard, but that's a looses use of the term I suppose.

[Xiao Yao You]

Gobert has made the conference finals once in 12 years of playing in the NBA.

If you are playing this game Gobert’s entire career has been empty stats (not even great ones at that)

What years was he expected to make the finals? He led 3 playoff upsets. Hes far exceeded any expectation a non troll could possibly have his whole career. From project to springfield. Quite a story really!

The only team the jazz came even close to building around him in 2017 pulled a 1st round upset before facing the eventual champions hurt including gobert. They may have given them an interesting series if theyd been healthy but of course healthy would have meant favors starting and him being hurt was acrually the only reason they were as hood as they were. Hayward left.the matador replaced hill. The corpse of diaw was put to rest. Joe johnsons ladt legs were done after he put the dagger in the clippers.

If utah had been in the east they certainly would have had more success by of course utah isnt in the east

[Xiao Yao You]

OKC misused Giddey, he's definitely a point guard, old school distributor.

So they should have traded shai?

[GimmeThat]

So they should have traded shai?

Shai's FGA by distance has gone longer since the departure of Giddey, and perhaps due to the injury of Holmgren, who only takes 3.6 3FGA. so either way, there were no reason to get rid of Giddey.

if it was a matter of chemistry, they traded Giddey for a guy who played a career total of 31 playoff game, don't see the justification

[warriorfan]

What years was he expected to make the finals? He led 3 playoff upsets. Hes far exceeded any expectation a non troll could possibly have his whole career. From project to springfield. Quite a story really!

The only team the jazz came even close to building around him in 2017 pulled a 1st round upset before facing the eventual champions hurt including gobert. They may have given them an interesting series if theyd been healthy but of course healthy would have meant favors starting and him being hurt was acrually the only reason they were as hood as they were. Hayward left.the matador replaced hill. The corpse of diaw was put to rest. Joe johnsons ladt legs were done after he put the dagger in the clippers.

If utah had been in the east they certainly would have had more success by of course utah isnt in the east


Wait wait wait, what is this “expected bullshit”



Are they winning any games or are these just more empty stats?


So bulls had some sort of high expectations?


Your intellectual consistency is legit bottom of the barrel.

Look in the mirror, you are the troll, and a huge f.aggot.

[Xiao Yao You]

Shai's FGA by distance has gone longer since the departure of Giddey, and perhaps due to the injury of Holmgren, who only takes 3.6 3FGA. so either way, there were no reason to get rid of Giddey.

if it was a matter of chemistry, they traded Giddey for a guy who played a career total of 31 playoff game, don't see the justification

Getting caruso made all the sense in the world. The guy is a player. They are playing for a championship

[Xiao Yao You]

Wait wait wait, what is this “expected bullshit”





So bulls had some sort of high expectations?


Your intellectual consistency is legit bottom of the barrel.

Look in the mirror, you are the troll, and a huge f.aggot.

What do expectations have to do with anything? If a guy is putting up big numbers it should reflect on his teams performance. Jazz were as bad as anyone in the league when gobert emerged. He made it difficult to tank though they continued to try.

[warriorfan]

What do expectations have to do with anything? If a guy is putting up big numbers it should reflect on his teams performance. Jazz were as bad as anyone in the league when gobert emerged. He made it difficult to tank though they continued to try.

Gobert is terrible at basketball and you are mentally ill

[Xiao Yao You]

Future hofer. Of if hes terrible not sure what that says about the league

:coleman:

[Axe]

Gobert is terrible at basketball and you are mentally ill
:milton

[Im Still Ballin]

I think Giddey can be a 18-20 ppg, 7-10 rpg, 7-10 apg, 60% TS/105 TS+ guy next season. Based on his recent play w/ increased usage since late January/post-Lavine/post-All-Star break. Assuming he plays the same lead on-ball role in 2025-26.

Last 23 games:
- 33.0 mpg
- 18.6 ppg, 8.4 rpg, 7.3 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.7 topg
- 46.1% 3PT (4.4 attempts), 53.8% 2PT (8.5 attempts), 81.9% FT (4.1 attempts; 31.8% FTr/48.2% 2pt-FTr), 63.2% TS (110 TS+)

Last 11 games (post-AS break):
- 34.5 mpg
- 22.3 ppg, 10.5 rpg, 9.1 apg, 1.7 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.7 topg
- 52.2% 3PT (4.2 attempts), 53.4% 2PT (10.5 attempts), 84.5% FT (5.3 attempts; 33.5% FTr/50.5% 2pt-FTr), 65.3% TS (113 TS+)

Last 23 games Giddey remains just about 60% TS+ even if you adjust his burgeoning three-point shot to his seasonal average of 37.8%. His foul drawing has more than doubled in Chicago and has steadily improved as the season has progressed.

2022-24 OKC: 13.2% FTr/18.3% 2pt-FTr
2025 CHI: 25.1% FTr/39.4% 2pt-FTr
Last 23 games: 31.8% FTr/48.2% 2pt-FTr
Last 11 games: 33.5% FTr/50.5% 2pt-FTr

[Street Hunger]

That's some great analysis above

[Neal Romer]

That's some great analysis above

:lol

Cmon bruh. Help a fellow get some parnassa. Ill uphold my end. Ill keep the topics flowin. Itll be a simcha for everyone.

Lets get some real juicy basketball discussion going again at Insidehoops. Now and Forever!!!!!!!!!

[Im Still Ballin]

Josh has become way better as a driver and it's primarily due to improved foul drawing. He's gotten bigger and stronger and is attacking with physicality.

Drives (full season):
- 9.9 drives per game in 29.6 mpg
- 4.6 points, 3.7 FGA, 1.1 FTA (29.7% FTr)
- 49.8% 2PT, 54.97% TS
- 4.9 passes off drives per game, 49.0% pass percentage, 1.3 assists per game, 13.4 assist percentage, 0.6 turnovers per game, 5.6 turnover percentage
- 0.96 ppp without points from assists; estimated 1.65 ppp with points from assists added

Drives (last 23 games):
- 12.1 drives per game in 32.5 mpg
- 6.6 points, 4.7 FGA, 1.9 FTA (40.4% FTr)
- 52.3% 2PT, 59.6% TS
- 5.7 passes off drives per game, 47.0% pass percentage, 1.4 assists per game, 11.5 assist percentage, 0.6 turnovers per game, 4.7 turnover percentage
- 1.08 ppp without points from assists; estimated 1.66 ppp with points from assists added

Drives (last 11 games):
- 15.1 drives per game in 33.9 mpg
- 9.0 points, 6.1 FGA, 2.5 FTA (41.0% FTr)
- 53.7% 2PT, 62.5% TS
- 6.5 passes off drives per game, 42.8% pass percentage, 1.6 assists per game, 10.8 assist percentage, 0.8 turnovers per game, 5.4 turnover percentage
- 1.13 ppp without points from assists; estimated 1.63 ppp with points from assists added

Compared to Giddey in OKC 2022-23:
- 12.4 drives per game in 31.1 mpg
- 6.8 points, 6.3 FGA, 0.7 FTA (11.1% FTr)
- 48.3% 2PT, 51.45% TS
- 4.8 passes off drives per game, 38.8% pass percentage, 1.2 assists per game, 9.9 assist percentage, 0.6 turnovers per game, 5.0 turnover percentage
- 0.93 ppp without points from assists; estimated 1.37 ppp with points from assists added

I didn't bother with 2023-24 because his role was markedly different. He only had 7.1 drives per game in 25.1 mpg. 3.9 points, 3.4 FGA, 0.5 FTA (14.7% FTr), 49.3% 2PT, 53.87% TS.

Progression of drive FTr:

2021-22: 13.0% drive-FTr
2022-23: 11.1% drive-FTr
2023-24: 14.7% drive-FTr
2024-25 (full season): 29.7% drive-FTr
2024-25 (last 23 games): 40.4% drive-FTr
2024-24 (last 11 games): 41.0% drive-FTr

[999Guy]

The guy is actually a superstar right now. It’s crazy.

[Axe]

Wow, he and his teammates have beaten winning western teams as of recent so far. :biggums:

I guess this is the effect of the post-lavine trade. Although again, they still have a lot of work to do in the upcoming seasons.

[Xiao Yao You]

The guy is actually a superstar right now. It’s crazy.

:facepalm

[Im Still Ballin]

Another great game. His foul drawing was impressive. Really lowers that shoulder on the drive.

- 36 minutes played
- 26 points, 8 rebounds (1 offensive), 9 assists, 1 block, 3 turnovers
- 8/11 FG, 2/3 3PT, 8/10 FT
- +10

[999Guy]

:facepalm

He’s been superstar level in March, undoubtedly.

Don’t let the Chuck heavy style of the league fool you on the value of playmaking. And he’s scoring really efficiently and drawing fouls at a prime Harden level. He’s playing really dominant ball.

As a guy who loves playmaking guards, I really want to see a follow up on this and see how real it is next year. But hell at this rate we might see a Giddey-led playoff team.

[GimmeThat]

he's between Ariza and Larry Hughes in the defense era for me

[Xiao Yao You]

He’s been superstar level in March, undoubtedly.

Don’t let the Chuck heavy style of the league fool you on the value of playmaking. And he’s scoring really efficiently and drawing fouls at a prime Harden level. He’s playing really dominant ball.

As a guy who loves playmaking guards, I really want to see a follow up on this and see how real it is next year. But hell at this rate we might see a Giddey-led playoff team.

Be hard to call the guy a superstar if they arent a playoff team in the lEast. No lavine. No more excuses

[Wally450]

Guys been playing some good ball recently. The near quad double the other night, 26/7/9 last night.

[999Guy]

Be hard to call the guy a superstar if they arent a playoff team in the lEast. No lavine. No more excuses

Stop being stupid. I’m not saying he’s a superstar.

[warriorfan]

Stop being stupid. I’m not saying he’s a superstar.

You know Gobert is trash when his stan feels threatened by Josh Giddey.

[tpols]

The Bulls have a solid chance of making the playoffs. Just have to beat the Heat in 1 game and probably Atlanta in the 2nd.

Just 2 wins. All we need. Josh Giddey can lead us to the promised land.

[Xiao Yao You]

The guy is actually a superstar right now. It’s crazy.


Ish not calliing a guy a superstar

[highwhey]

he reminds me very much of karl malone

[Proctor]

he reminds me very much of karl malone
I was thinking the same thing

[highwhey]

I was thinking the same thing

i also suspect he might be one of long duck dong's favorite players

[999Guy]

Giddey is one of the weirdest players I’ve ever watched. He likes to drive left, while on the right side of the court. But mostly finishing with his right.

Most of his assists are at a slow pace while passing with two hands. Half of his assist are chest passes. He likes skip passes, a lot for someone who plays at his speed. He likes them more than prime John Wall.

Very few turnovers, but very few lobs and cut passes thrown on the move. He actually plays more like a pint forward than a point guard as far as his playmaking.

Weird hitch on his jumper which has been absolutely money for over a month now. A foul drawing demon doing James Harden duck ins baiting the ball and reach ins.

He is an amalgamation of a lot of weird instincts on the court IMO. Very good help defender lately. Impeccable timing on when he moves, which is why he’s stealing everything.

By far the weirdest archetype I’ve ever seen. Can’t compare him to anybody.

[Xiao Yao You]

Giddey is one of the weirdest players I’ve ever watched. He likes to drive left, while on the right side of the court. But mostly finishing with his right.

Most of his assists are at a slow pace while passing with two hands. Half of his assist are chest passes. He likes skip passes, a lot for someone who plays at his speed. He likes them more than prime John Wall.

Very few turnovers, but very few lobs and cut passes thrown on the move. He actually plays more like a pint forward than a point guard as far as his playmaking.

Weird hitch on his jumper which has been absolutely money for over a month now. A foul drawing demon doing James Harden duck ins baiting the ball and reach ins.

He is an amalgamation of a lot of weird instincts on the court IMO. Very good help defender lately. Impeccable timing on when he moves, which is why he’s stealing everything.

By far the weirdest archetype I’ve ever seen. Can’t compare him to anybody.
Only so many superstars out there to compare him with

[Im Still Ballin]

Giddey is one of the weirdest players I’ve ever watched. He likes to drive left, while on the right side of the court. But mostly finishing with his right.

Most of his assists are at a slow pace while passing with two hands. Half of his assist are chest passes. He likes skip passes, a lot for someone who plays at his speed. He likes them more than prime John Wall.

Very few turnovers, but very few lobs and cut passes thrown on the move. He actually plays more like a pint forward than a point guard as far as his playmaking.

Weird hitch on his jumper which has been absolutely money for over a month now. A foul drawing demon doing James Harden duck ins baiting the ball and reach ins.

He is an amalgamation of a lot of weird instincts on the court IMO. Very good help defender lately. Impeccable timing on when he moves, which is why he’s stealing everything.

By far the weirdest archetype I’ve ever seen. Can’t compare him to anybody.

Yeah, he's definitely an odd one. It's hard enough to find appropriate comparisons for any player, as there aren't any one-to-one examples. I prefer to throw in some qualifiers to get closer to the mark. Bigger/smaller, more/less athletic, worse shooting/better shooting, etc.

You can get more granular than that to account for the nuances/minutiae as you've done. Shooting, passing, ball handling, slashing technique & bag, tempo/pace/speed of play, etc.

Giddey was compared to guys like Rubio, Ingles, and Teodosic pre-draft. On a general level, I think he should be compared to big playmakers who rebound well but lack a pull-up jumper but can hit a stationary catch-and-shoot shot.

I like a bigger, less athletic Jason Kidd.

Similar great basketball IQ, awareness, and feel for the game. Both are very good/willing defensive rebounders who push the pace and start the fast break when possible. Neither is a good pull-up shooter, but they can knock down the spot-up three if open. Physical dribble drives and active offensive rebounders.

I think the physical differences (size + athleticism) show up most on defense and in the pick-and-roll.

Kidd is arguably the best PG defender of all time. Big, strong, physical, mobile, amazing hands. His incredible basketball IQ, awareness, and feel for the game translate to the defensive end - help defense, rotations, off-ball positioning, charges, playmaking, etc.

I think Josh's high IQ, awareness and feel for the game extend to defense. This recent stretch has shown it, as you said. He just has an unfortunate combination of poor positional size and athleticism. Too slow to defend the point of attack but not long enough to protect the paint. Additionally, his motor hasn't always been there.

But I think he can be a neutral defender and part of an elite defense with committed effort and the right role, teammates, and scheme. Keep him on the weakside/nail area where he can time up the help defense, sound rotations, boxing out and defensive rebounding. Pretty much like Luka, really.

And in the PnR, like you said, Giddey plays more like a point forward. He's somewhat like Luka or LeBron in the sense that he likes to go slow and get his defender in jail/on his hip. Kidd's physical for a guard, but he prefers to use his superior quickness to get into the paint.

[90sgoat]

I've seen enough Giddey is a star.

[90sgoat]

Yeah, he's definitely an odd one. It's hard enough to find appropriate comparisons for any player, as there aren't any one-to-one examples. I prefer to throw in some qualifiers to get closer to the mark. Bigger/smaller, more/less athletic, worse shooting/better shooting, etc.

You can get more granular than that to account for the nuances/minutiae as you've done. Shooting, passing, ball handling, slashing technique & bag, tempo/pace/speed of play, etc.

Giddey was compared to guys like Rubio, Ingles, and Teodosic pre-draft. On a general level, I think he should be compared to big playmakers who rebound well but lack a pull-up jumper but can hit a stationary catch-and-shoot shot.

I like a bigger, less athletic Jason Kidd.

Similar great basketball IQ, awareness, and feel for the game. Both are very good/willing defensive rebounders who push the pace and start the fast break when possible. Neither is a good pull-up shooter, but they can knock down the spot-up three if open. Physical dribble drives and active offensive rebounders.

I think the physical differences (size + athleticism) show up most on defense and in the pick-and-roll.

Kidd is arguably the best PG defender of all time. Big, strong, physical, mobile, amazing hands. His incredible basketball IQ, awareness, and feel for the game translate to the defensive end - help defense, rotations, off-ball positioning, charges, playmaking, etc.

I think Josh's high IQ, awareness and feel for the game extend to defense. This recent stretch has shown it, as you said. He just has an unfortunate combination of poor positional size and athleticism. Too slow to defend the point of attack but not long enough to protect the paint. Additionally, his motor hasn't always been there.

But I think he can be a neutral defender and part of an elite defense with committed effort and the right role, teammates, and scheme. Keep him on the weakside/nail area where he can time up the help defense, sound rotations, boxing out and defensive rebounding. Pretty much like Luka, really.

And in the PnR, like you said, Giddey plays more like a point forward. He's somewhat like Luka or LeBron in the sense that he likes to go slow and get his defender in jail/on his hip. Kidd's physical for a guard, but he prefers to use his superior quickness to get into the paint.

Yeah I agree with all this, he is the Kidd mold, just very high bball IQ and a very good rebounder.

[Proctor]

Potential gamewinning steal too

[Im Still Ballin]

!!!!!

[Proctor]

Holy **** giddey!!!!

[ImKobe]

Man, Giddey is having the career arc Laker fans thought Lonzo would have post-AD trade, but the injuries robbed that guy.

Amazing to see that OKC traded away yet another superstar for peanuts. History really does repeat itself.

[90sgoat]

And the typical racists said Giddey couldn't play defense or hit 3s.

[Xiao Yao You]

And the typical racists said Giddey couldn't play defense or hit 3s.

Can he play d?

[90sgoat]

Can he play d?

Definitely.

[Neal Romer]

Can he play d?


Well he hasnt gotten made a fool of by Doncic, so thats something.

[90sgoat]

Well he hasnt gotten made a fool of by Doncic, so thats something.

He's more of an elite help defender, but above average man to man, also is an elite rebounder.

[Im Still Ballin]

Here's an update on the stats. We're getting some degree of stabilization as the sample size increases. This is what his stat line could look like next season with a similar cast and role.

Last 30 games:

- 32.9 mpg
- 18.6 ppg, 8.9 rpg, 7.8 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.1 topg
- 43.5% 3PT (4.4 3pa/g), 51.7% 2PT (8.7 2pa/g), 79.7% FT (4.8 fta/g) (36.5% FTr/54.8% 2pt-FTr), 61.2% TS (+3.6 rTS/106.3 TS+)

Last 18 games (since All-Star break):

- 33.9 mpg
- 20.8 ppg, 10.4 rpg, 9.2 apg, 1.4 spg, 0.7 bpg, 3.3 topg
- 45.3% 3PT (4.2 3pa/g), 51.5% 2PT (10.1 2pa/g), 80.4% FT (5.9 fta/g) (41.6% FTr/58.8% 2pt-FTr), 61.5% TS (+3.9 rTS/106.8 TS+)

[Im Still Ballin]

The shot will come and go but what's most promising is the foul drawing. He's getting to the FT line like a completely different guy. 41.6% FTr/58.8% 2pt-FTr over 18 games since the All-Star break. 36.5% FTr/54.8% 2pt-FTr over the last 30 games.

It's a result of playing more physically and not settling for the floater. He has several qualities that make him a good foul drawer: a relatively low center of gravity, great balance, flexibility/fluidity of movement, and body control/coordination. Absorbs contact well when he initiates it. Able to slither into compromising driving angles for the defense and make subtle bodily adjustments to put himself into advantageous positions.

[Im Still Ballin]

He's at +2.7 BPM for the season, +5.2 BPM over the last 30 games, and +7.1 BPM over the last 18 games. As a safe estimate, I think he can be a +4 to +6 BPM guy next season with the same role and teammate personnel. J.Kidd's best single-season mark was +6.6 and was +4.9 from 1998-99 to 2006-07.

[Im Still Ballin]

Huge game from Josh tonight. Got the crucial win over Miami to further solidify a home play-in game.

- 40 minutes played
- 28 points, 16 rebounds (2 offensive), 11 assists, 2 steals, 3 blocks, 4 turnovers
- 11/19 FG, 3/6 3PT, 3/3 FT
- +11

[Im Still Ballin]

Jokic at age 22:

- 75 games; 32.6 mpg
- 18.5 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 6.1 apg, 1.2 spg, 0.8 bpg, 2.8 topg
- 39.6% 3PT (3.7 3pa/g), 53.8% 2PT (9.7 2pa/g), 85.0% FT (4.2 fta/g; 31.0% FTr), 60.3% TS (108 TS+)
- +6.9 BPM
- 9.0 ORB%, 27.9 DRB%, 18.5 TRB%, 29.6 AST%, 1.8 STL%, 2.1 BLK%, 15.5 TOV%, 24.2 USG%

22 y/o Josh over 19 games since the All-Star break:

- 19 games; 34.3 mpg
- 21.2 ppg, 10.7 rpg, 9.3 apg, 1.5 spg, 0.8 bpg, 3.4 topg
- 45.7% 3PT (4.3 3pa/g), 51.8% 2PT (10.3 2pa/g), 80.9% FT (5.8 fta/g; 40.0% FTr), 62.0% TS (108 TS+)
- +7.5 BPM
- 7.7 ORB%, 25.0 DRB%, 16.8 TRB%, 37.7 AST%, 2.0 STL%, 1.9 BLK%, 16.5 TOV%, 24.9 USG%

He ain't going to reach Jokic's level (obviously), but that's an All-NBA level player if he can eventually average those numbers over an entire season.

[ImKobe]

Presti done did it again man. Gave up on a promising young player who showed flashes because his new contract was going to cost them a lot of cap space. Now Giddey looks like the best Bulls player since prime D.Rose and if he keeps developing like this he might be their best player since Jordan.

[Im Still Ballin]

Chicago Bulls post All-Star break (26 games):

- 116.7 ORtg (+2.1 rORtg) [14th/30]
- 112.4 DRtg (-2.2 rDRtg) [14th/30]
- +4.3 NRtg [11th/30]
- 103.38 pace (+4.48 rPace) [1st/30]

Other notable stats: 7th in AST%, 5th in AST/TOV ratio, 6th in AST ratio, 7th in FGM% assisted, 3rd in 3FGM% assisted, 5th in DRB%, 9th in TOV%, 6th in D-EFG%, 1st in fast break points per 100, 5th in points in the paint per 100, 6th in opponent second-chance points per 100, and 2nd in opponent fast break points per 100.

So, they're running a track meet out there. Pushing the pace and sharing the ball while doing well to limit turnovers. Lots of assisted threes, which is good. Limiting easy baskets by getting back in transition and securing the defensive boards.

A high pace suits Josh; he may not be the fastest, but his endurance is very good, and his motor is incredibly high. Kind of like Jokic in that sense. He's in the perfect place if this is the type of team CHI intends to be in the future. And I think it is per the players they've acquired via trade and what I've heard about Billy Donovan and Artūras Karnišovas. Something about a deeper, more spread roster construction as opposed to top heaviness. Sounds like a lot of high-quality role players that can play off-ball and bring effort and hopefully defense.

[Neal Romer]

Chicago Bulls post All-Star break (26 games):

- 116.7 ORtg (+2.1 rORtg) [14th/30]
- 112.4 DRtg (-2.2 rDRtg) [14th/30]
- +4.3 NRtg [11th/30]
- 103.38 pace (+4.48 rPace) [1st/30]

Other notable stats: 7th in AST%, 5th in AST/TOV ratio, 6th in AST ratio, 7th in FGM% assisted, 3rd in 3FGM% assisted, 5th in DRB%, 9th in TOV%, 6th in D-EFG%, 1st in fast break points per 100, 5th in points in the paint per 100, 6th in opponent second-chance points per 100, and 2nd in opponent fast break points per 100.

So, they're running a track meet out there. Pushing the pace and sharing the ball while doing well to limit turnovers. Lots of assisted threes, which is good. Limiting easy baskets by getting back in transition and securing the defensive boards.

A high pace suits Josh; he may not be the fastest, but his endurance is very good, and his motor is incredibly high. Kind of like Jokic in that sense. He's in the perfect place if this is the type of team CHI intends to be in the future. And I think it is per the players they've acquired via trade and what I've heard about Billy Donovan and Artūras Karnišovas. Something about a deeper, more spread roster construction as opposed to top heaviness. Sounds like a lot of high-quality role players that can play off-ball and bring effort and hopefully defense.


Bulls suddenly have a really bright future seemingly out of nowhere. Giddey, Froby and Buzelis has to be one of the best 25-and-under trios in the game, especially considering how their styles fit together.

The main question is at center. Vucevic shot like ass the last three years and now this year is having a revival. Dunno what they wanna do with him contract wise. Ideally bring him back on a team friendly deal if possible and draft a quality center. I think Maluach would be a perfect fit long term but I dunno that he'll be available where the Bulls draft, altho maybe they have the ammo to move up.

Tbh I think theyll be a headache for Cleveland this year if they can make their way thru the play-in. Not a threat per se, but certainly a headache. Theyre not an easy team to beat right now. Ofc in a single elimination play-in anything can happen.

[Neal Romer]

Presti done did it again man. Gave up on a promising young player who showed flashes because his new contract was going to cost them a lot of cap space. Now Giddey looks like the best Bulls player since prime D.Rose and if he keeps developing like this he might be their best player since Jordan.


Umm, this is not at all what happened. His style didnt fit with the other OKC starters. The Thunder offered Giddey a sixth man role, Giddey preferred a trade.

Youre very bad at knowing things.

[90sgoat]

Umm, this is not at all what happened. His style didnt fit with the other OKC starters. The Thunder offered Giddey a sixth man role, Giddey preferred a trade.

Youre very bad at knowing things.

Nah, they used typical racist bullshit like he can't play defense, he can't shoot 3s etc. Total bullshit.

[Im Still Ballin]

Bulls suddenly have a really bright future seemingly out of nowhere. Giddey, Froby and Buzelis has to be one of the best 25-and-under trios in the game, especially considering how their styles fit together.

Agreed. Teams tank for years to get three promising young pieces that fit together, and the Bulls lucked into it. The best part is their style of play is team-oriented, which promotes good vibes, chemistry, and continuity.

There's no one way to rebuild; completely bottoming out for the tank doesn't always work. I like how Toronto did it in the 2010s. They had a few solid, promising guys (Lowry, DeMar, Jonas) and tried to win. Continued to find complimentary pieces through the draft, free agency, and with trades. And the Raptors progression went like this:

2013: 34 wins
2014: 48 wins
2015: 49 wins
2016: 56 wins
2017: 51 wins
2018: 59 wins
2019: 58 wins (champs)
2020: 53-19 (60 win pace)

Got to try to win if you've got a strong young core, which Chicago does have. Comfortably better than Toronto's was IMO. In 2012-13, DeMar was 23, Kyle was 26, and Jonas was 20.

And winning will 1) make you an attractive place for free agents and disgruntled stars; and 2) make your assets look good for a big trade to push you over the hump ala Kawhi to Toronto.


The main question is at center. Vucevic shot like ass the last three years and now this year is having a revival. Dunno what they wanna do with him contract wise. Ideally bring him back on a team friendly deal if possible and draft a quality center. I think Maluach would be a perfect fit long term but I dunno that he'll be available where the Bulls draft, altho maybe they have the ammo to move up.

Yeah, center is definitely the biggest issue. Praying for Maluach.


Tbh I think theyll be a headache for Cleveland this year if they can make their way thru the play-in. Not a threat per se, but certainly a headache. Theyre not an easy team to beat right now. Ofc in a single elimination play-in anything can happen.

Yep. They are a pesky, fast-paced young team with lots to prove and no egos. Relatively unknown as well, so there's not a huge scouting report on them.