Why do liberals support Ukraine?

[AirBonner]

A country full of Nazis. While simultaneously calling Trump Hitler. Russia bad. While communism closely aligns with their ideals?

[BigKobeFan]

Liberals are warmongers and racist

[Lakers Legend#32]

Liberals are warmongers and racist

You guys were big fans of the Iraq War.

[warriorfan]

Liberals are now neocons and they don’t realize it. They have also gotten propagandized where they think Russia is going to take over the world lol.


Basically it can be summed up by extremely low iq and lack of empathy/respect for human life.

[ArbitraryWater]

because its the "right" thing to do.

They do everything the media says is right.

[Bill Gates]

Because they were invaded by another country. The bigger question is why do conservatives support the invaders?

It isn't more complex than this, it really is this simple. A 3rd grader would get it.

[Gudo]

Maga should try living in Russia for good, see how that would go.

[diamenz]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/328/011/419

[1987_Lakers]

Because they were invaded by another country. The bigger question is why do conservatives support the invaders?

It isn't more complex than this, it really is this simple. A 3rd grader would get it.


War was caused by Obama by helping with Ukraine's coup in 2014

[Bill Gates]

War was caused by Obama by helping with Ukraine's coup in 2014

Okay? So Putin is good now?

We also invaded Iraq. What that has to do with this IDK?

[Overdrive]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/002/328/011/419

And the right wingers oppose the "current thing". It's quite comical how infantile politics became during the memw generation. Stupid AF. "Both" sides.


A country full of Nazis. While simultaneously calling Trump Hitler. Russia bad. While communism closely aligns with their ideals?

Putin is no communist. He's a plutocratic authoritarian fascist. Trump is not Hitler he more closely aligns with Franco. A divide et impere faux wannabe king riling up the split populace to mask that he's laying the groundwork for a money backed elitist led country.

[1987_Lakers]

Okay? So Putin is good now?

We also invaded Iraq. What that has to do with this IDK?

I'm keeping on subject and talking about Ukraine. Nice deflection.

[Bill Gates]

And the right wingers oppose the "current thing".

Many of them are being counter-culture just for the sake of being counter-culture.

[Bill Gates]

I'm keeping on subject and talking about Ukraine. Nice deflection.

Whatever Obama did is the deflection from what is happening now. Classic whataboutism.

You are using Obama to try and justify Russia invading another country.

The only part that really matters is the "invasion" part. If Zelensky tried to take over Russia, we'd be holding Russian flags. Granted we wouldn't be holding them very long in that scenario though :lol

[1987_Lakers]

Whatever Obama did is the deflection from what is happening now. Classic whataboutism.

You are using Obama to try and justify Russia invading another country.

The only part that really matters is the "invasion" part. If Zelensky tried to take over Russia, we'd be holding Russian flags. Granted we wouldn't be holding them very long in that scenario though :lol

What Obama and NATO did was a direct cause for the war to break out. Keep up.

[Bill Gates]

What Obama and NATO did was a direct cause for the war to break out. Keep up.

Obama forced Putin to invade the Ukraine?

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhDQ_mM8xPY

[1987_Lakers]

Obama forced Putin to invade the Ukraine?

Yes

[Bill Gates]

Yes

No

[diamenz]

Why do liberals support Ukraine?

because the liberal media told them to. the same way the liberal media told them to hate trump. they can't tell you why though in either regard. :confusedshrug:

[diamenz]

No

yes

[1987_Lakers]

A country full of Nazis. While simultaneously calling Trump Hitler. Russia bad. While communism closely aligns with their ideals?

Democrats just listen to mainstream media and are told what to believe. Never question anything and never do your own research.

[Bill Gates]

yes

:facepalm

[1987_Lakers]

All of this could have been avoided if NATO let Russia join way back in the day. Putin told Bill Clinton he wanted to join, NATO did not want it because it was bad for business, and would defeat the purpose of why NATO exists in the first place.

smh.

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1RvRcyK8bA

[Bill Gates]

Democrats just listen to mainstream media and are told what to believe. Never question anything and never do your own research.

The Ukraine isn't just 100% nazis lol. No research needs to be done there. Obviously there are good people and families within the Ukraine. Zelenskyy is jewish

You guys have the issue on being against what it is society and media say is the "current thing". Basically diamenz image signifies that. "The media says this is good!? To hell with that!!!!"

[diamenz]

"The media says this is good!? To hell with that!!!!"

yeah pretty much. the only thing the cable networks are good for are live action news. shit like the oj chase or live 9/11 coverage.

...although come to yhink of it they've pretty much shit the bed in that regard too.

https://a57.foxnews.com/static.foxnews.com/foxnews.com/content/uploads/2020/08/931/523/CNN-Headline-Fiery-2.jpg

[Bill Gates]

yeah pretty much.

Holding an opinion simply to be against the media is still the media dictating your thoughts.

[diamenz]

Holding an opinion simply to be against the media is still the media dictating your thoughts.

lmao. okay.

let me be more clear. i'm not just simply "against" the media. :rolleyes:

listen... i'm over forty years old. the media throughout my lifetime and especially in the past couple of decades have demonstrated full well that there's absolutely no reason to be trusting or to hold value in their supposed "facts" or opinions. on the contrary - they've given me every reason in the world to be pessimistic and cynical about their intentions, research capabilities and problem solving potential.

when the media tells you things like this invasion was "unprovoked" or if you're in a general sense just inclined to believe everything that you're told especially in regard to a war involving a country like ours that's known for our credible and successful foreign interventions (sarcasm fyi), then you may as well just pack it up and join the liberal mob that wakes up every morning and marches against trump because they've been indoctrinated to.

[Bill Gates]

lmao. okay.

let me be more clear. i'm not just simply "against" the media. :rolleyes:

listen... i'm over forty years old. the media throughout my lifetime and especially in the past couple of decades have demonstrated full well that there's absolutely no reason to be trusting or to hold value in their supposed "facts" or opinions. on the contrary - they've given me every reason in the world to be pessimistic and cynical about their intentions, research capabilities and problem solving potential.

when the media tells you things like this invasion was "unprovoked" or if you're in a general sense just inclined to believe everything that you're told especially in regard to a war involving a country like ours that's known for our credible and successful foreign interventions (sarcasm fyi), then you may as well just pack it up and join the liberal mob that wakes up every morning and marches against trump because they've been indoctrinated to.

I don't watch cable news. At all. NONE zero.

I know that one country is invading another and trying to claim it as their own. The fact that there are some bad people in said country doesn't matter here. The US didn't even try to make Iraq the US, and Iraq is full of evil minded people. Jumping through hoops and blaming it on Obama is all just done to "own libs" and your own meme shows that. You don't care about either country, you are just triggered that the libs are all holding Ukraine flags.

Also, cable FOX news holds a right-winded opinion on this.

[BurningHammer]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhDQ_mM8xPY
Yanukovych is a Russian puppet like Krasnov.

[BurningHammer]

And the right wingers oppose the "current thing". It's quite comical how infantile politics became during the memw generation. Stupid AF. "Both" sides.

Politics is viewed as a comedy show instead of a serious issue nowadays thanks to grifters.

[Bill Gates]

Politics is viewed as a comedy show instead of a serious issue nowadays thanks to grifters.

I do think that like 90% of the political divide in the US is simply people bored on their computer with nothing else to do but complain about something.

[BurningHammer]

I do think that like 90% of the political divide in the US is simply people bored on their computer with nothing else to do but complain about something.

Grifters turn politics into Jerry Springer Show. Emphasizing on hatred, the way Rush introduced.

[Bill Gates]

Grifters turn politics into Jerry Springer Show. Emphasizing on hatred, the way Rush introduced.

It's very much a clown show. And it is because all the clowns now have voices.

No one's fault, it's existence of the internet, social media, and technology.

I am hoping that the population eventually adjusts to this new way of communicating and starts to just naturally ignore the clowns. But I am scared it will snowball into real life Idiocracy.

[diamenz]

I don't watch cable news. At all. NONE zero.



ya i'm sorry but i don't believe that for a second and i say that with zero passive-aggressive intent.




I know that one country is invading another and trying to claim it as their own.

if that's the extent of your understanding of the situation and it's as far as you're willing to go from an intellectual standpoint, then i have no interest in engaging with you.


Jumping through hoops and blaming it on Obama is all just done to "own libs" and your own meme shows that.

87lakers can speak for himself but the significance of him bringing that up is a perfect example of the point that i'm trying to make - never once have i heard anything from msm about the 2014 coup involving the cia that were either responsible for or held a hand in overthrowing the moscow-friendly ukrainian government that were in power at the time. i agree that the political intent is misguided.


You don't care about either country, you are just triggered that the libs are all holding Ukraine flags.

that's not at all the case. i have sympathy for the plight of the ukrainian people in the same way that i do for the palestinians that are forcefully being driven out of their homeland.

i am triggered by the liberals waving their ukrainian flags because while i'm sure they mean well, they're hopeless in their intellectual capacity or frankly their desire to understand a complicated situation (that btw, again, can be blamed on the media). that's why their heart-bleeding is hilarious to me and is deserving of nothing less than a meme.

fox? lol. they're no different from cnn or msnbc. they're all a part of the political war machine that do nothing but act as stenographers for the deep state. ho hum.

[Bill Gates]

ya i'm sorry but i don't believe that for a second and i say that with zero passive-aggressive intent.
You're wrong. I cut the chord on cable years ago. The whole "fake news" angle in general is crap, and shown everytime you guys point out that CNN and other networks have no actual viewers. It's all dying. We are a population swayed by social media now.


if that's the extent of your understanding of the situation and it's as far as you're willing to go from an intellectual standpoint, then i have no interest in engaging with you.
You ARE engaging with me.

The invasion is the only part that matters. An invasion can be justified in different ways, if say Zelenskyy was going to nuke the world as an extreme example. But wanting to make that country your country? NO. That makes you the bad guy. Sorry. Russia and Putin are the bad guys here. They have destroyed the homes of thousands of innocent families in the name of making it Russia.


that's not at all the case. i have sympathy for the plight of the ukrainian people in the same way that i do for the palestinians that are forcefully being driven out of their homeland.

On rare occasions you seem neutral, in this instance you are tribal. Anyone taking the side of Russia is either tribal or Russian.


i am triggered by the liberals waving their ukrainian flags because while i'm sure they mean well, they're hopeless in their intellectual capacity or frankly their desire to understand a complicated situation (that btw, again, can be blamed on the media). that's why their heart-bleeding is hilarious to me and is deserving of nothing less than a meme.
Them waving flags should mean nothing to you. It should mean about the same to you as a clothing trend, or millions of girls repping Taylor Swift. It is meaningless.


fox? lol. they're no different from cnn or msnbc. they're all a part of the political war machine that do nothing but act as stenographers for the deep state. ho hum.

The point went over your head.

If MSM News outlet "X" says Russia is bad, and MSM News outlet "Y" says Russia is good. We can not conclude that the MSM is always wrong as MSM holds both right and left leaning opinions.

[ArbitraryWater]

Whatever Obama did is the deflection from what is happening now. Classic whataboutism.

You are using Obama to try and justify Russia invading another country.

The only part that really matters is the "invasion" part. If Zelensky tried to take over Russia, we'd be holding Russian flags. Granted we wouldn't be holding them very long in that scenario though :lol

What Obama did was literally supposed to provoke Russia lol.

[Lakers Legend#32]

MAGAS literally having to go all the way back to Clinton and Obama to support Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

[Overdrive]

Democrats just listen to mainstream media and are told what to believe. Never question anything and never do your own research.

Dude, your research is believing random youtube videos with dudes saying "trust me I did ma resurge". Most people aren't even able to do their own research, because it's either not possible due to the issue's scale or they don't even know how put up a thesis and prove it. So most people's research is using alternative sources they see fit their agenda.


lmao. okay.

let me be more clear. i'm not just simply "against" the media. :rolleyes:

listen... i'm over forty years old. the media throughout my lifetime and especially in the past couple of decades have demonstrated full well that there's absolutely no reason to be trusting or to hold value in their supposed "facts" or opinions. on the contrary - they've given me every reason in the world to be pessimistic and cynical about their intentions, research capabilities and problem solving potential.

when the media tells you things like this invasion was "unprovoked" or if you're in a general sense just inclined to believe everything that you're told especially in regard to a war involving a country like ours that's known for our credible and successful foreign interventions (sarcasm fyi), then you may as well just pack it up and join the liberal mob that wakes up every morning and marches against trump because they've been indoctrinated to.

I don't consume american msm. Ish is basically my source mostly through a biased lense there.
I'm pretty critical of domestic msm and consume a mix of conservative, populist, bourgeoise liberal and leftist print media.
I myself am no liberal. I'm a leftist. Definately progressive on a lot of issues. Etc.

"Supporting" Ukraine here has one big reason. Russia is a fascist shithole and Putin is a warmonger who's trying to reinstitute the russian or rather soviet sphere of influence. This means no free media, absolutely no free speech, totally rotten down economics geared towards feeding a small clique of friends. Just look at hungary. The country was on the rise before Putin's lapdog took over. It became an absolute shithole.

I find it oddly interesting that right wingers both in the US and europe cry about freedom of speech and readily support a country's cause and policy that puts people into work camps where they work until starvation for criticizing their dear leader.

And another remark: The attack was provoked the same way the poles provoked the Nazis on '39. Why would joining a defensive pact even be a reason to prompt an attack? And wouldn't an attack be proof that joining said pact would've been justified.

Ukraine didn't plan a war on Russia. Big parts of them just wanted to get rid of its influence.

[JohnnySic]

Because they're idiots.

Didn't care 3 years ago; care even less now.

P.S. - Putin is that dude.

[86Celtics]

A country full of Nazis. While simultaneously calling Trump Hitler. Russia bad. While communism closely aligns with their ideals?

This is so stupid and misleading that it defies belief. It has nothing to do with Liberals and Conservatives, moron. It has everything to do with being a normal human being and not a scumbag piece of shit.


War was caused by Obama by helping with Ukraine's coup in 2014

False. Ukraine ousted Yanukovych because he was corrupt and a Russian puppet. The coup would have happened with, or without external help. The 2022 invasion took place because Putin seeks to restore Russian control over Ukraine and most of Eastern Europe. He's meddling with the Baltic countries, Moldova, Romania and Poland. It's no surprise that Finland and Sweden after decades of neutrality, became full NATO members. Russia's expansionistic threat is clear for everyone except for those who have blinkers on.

None of the justifications offered for the invasion by Putin and the Russian propaganda apparatus stand to scrutiny. Most of them are ridiculous, like Ukraine being led by a Nazi regime, or the US led bio labs that were developing viruses against the Russian nation. Putin doesn't give a damn about the Russophones in the Eastern Ukraine, or anyone else for that matter. He certainly wasn't afraid of Ukraine becoming a NATO member and "threatening" Russia, a country many times larger and far more powerful militarily. And even if Ukraine had entered into formal negotiations to become a NATO member, which it had not at the time of the invasion and would take years, it was its own right and decision to do so.

Putin is a murderous, fascist dictator with whom every far-right, extremist party and nutjobs cream themselves. The fact that your Trump is subservient to someone who is responsible for countless of deaths and atrocities at Bucha and elsewhere, and for abducting tens of thousands of children says it all. And it reflects even worse on you and the rest of the c*nts who support Trump, no matter what.

I'd say that you are like the Nazi Germans in the 30s, but you are worse. Unlike them, you do have the benefit of history to look back on. But you don't care because you are just like Trump. Hateful and moronic. Just like this shithead.


Because they're idiots.

Didn't care 3 years ago; care even less now.

P.S. - Putin is that dude.

[Bill Gates]

P.S. - Putin is that dude.

What dude? Elaborate please? Why is Putin the man to you? Because lib tears and stuff?

[JohnnySic]

What dude? Elaborate please? Why is Putin the man to you? Because lib tears and stuff?

Puts his own country first, looks to expand his country's footprint and secure its defense, as all world leaders should. And yes, liberal tears too.

[diamenz]

"Supporting" Ukraine here has one big reason. Russia is a fascist shithole and Putin is a warmonger who's trying to reinstitute the russian or rather soviet sphere of influence. This means no free media, absolutely no free speech, totally rotten down economics geared towards feeding a small clique of friends. Just look at hungary. The country was on the rise before Putin's lapdog took over. It became an absolute shithole.

I find it oddly interesting that right wingers both in the US and europe cry about freedom of speech and readily support a country's cause and policy that puts people into work camps where they work until starvation for criticizing their dear leader.

And another remark: The attack was provoked the same way the poles provoked the Nazis on '39. Why would joining a defensive pact even be a reason to prompt an attack? And wouldn't an attack be proof that joining said pact would've been justified.

Ukraine didn't plan a war on Russia. Big parts of them just wanted to get rid of its influence.



there's zero evidence for the argument that putin has imperalistic ambitions to invade and occupy eastern europe or even the entirety of ukraine. this claim is western propaganda to deflect and distract from the fact that the west is principally responsible for provoking this conflict due to decades of nato expansion. but just to entertain the argument, if russia wanted to conquer and occupy JUST the entirety of ukraine (not even considering the rest of eastern europe) he would have needed a MUCH larger army than the 200,000 troops that he deployed in 2022 to do so. also, if putin was so hellbent on his supposed conquests, why was he negotiating with zelensky two months into the war in istanbul to end the war before we intervened and told zelensky not to negotiate?

and just to be clear, if there was sufficient evidence to support your claim that putin was on the warpath in eastern europe, you'd find me on the same side of the argument as you.

a brief history on nato expansion - after the cold war, russia was promised by the us that nato would not expand a singular inch eastward. but of course, starting in the late nineties under clinton and then subsequently in the bush and obama years, handfuls of countries at a time were enlisted into nato's ranks during which moscow issued countless warnings throughout the expansion that they would not tolerate it's continuity up to and ultimately including ukraine which would be the last straw for reasons of national security and existential survival.

due to ukraine's history of being used as a 'runway' for invasions into russia by both hitler and napoleon as well as the obviously shaky history between the soviet union and nato, nato's intention on using ukraine as a western bulwark against them was unacceptable in their eyes and therefore viewed as a declaration of war. the 2014 coup detat and the 2021/22 refusal by nato to cease their efforts to enlist ukraine into their ranks were the final straws in all of this and russia (in their view) had no choice but to invade ukraine. so considering the history, this invasion was decades in the making in the same vein that hamas' attack on israel was decades in the making due to nearly a century of a brutal occupation. in other words, it should have come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the history that it ultimately happened.

whether you agree with this notion or not, it should at the least be acknowledged and understood and certainly holds more weight and is backed by much more evidence than the conventional wisdom that this war was unprovoked and putin is effectively the next hitler. the idea that, for example, if mexico or canada were to join a russian or china military blocc, that america would tolerate having the "enemy" on our doorstep and do nothing about it is ridiculous. our monroe doctrine exists for this very reason and the fact that russia, also a great power, feels the same way should be respected and honored regardless of how you may feel about putin.

[Bill Gates]

Puts his own country first, looks to expand his country's footprint and secure its defense, as all world leaders should. And yes, liberal tears too.

Was Hitler that dude also for all the exact same reasons?

[Bill Gates]

The one person who could end this war right now?

Putin


He's that dude though. Cry libs cry. I put Russian communist dictators before fellow left leaning Americans.

[JohnnySic]

Was Hitler that dude also for all the exact same reasons?

Putin is not Hitler. Hitler himself would be viewed differently if he had tempered his expansionist ambitions and wasn't genocidal.

[Bill Gates]

Putin is not Hitler. Hitler himself would be viewed differently if he had tempered his expansionist ambitions and wasn't genocidal.

Ah, so taking over other countries is dope and makes you that dude when it's in smaller portions. Got it.

I mean, it would be dope if Putin took just a little of the US, like just Mississippi.

[Jasper]

dumb fvck mega's would prefer the earth cindered than to admit they have no idea what makes a free world.

go ahead nuke our planet ... lets see what holes you crawl out of.

[Overdrive]

there's zero evidence for the argument that putin has imperalistic ambitions to invade and occupy eastern europe or even the entirety of ukraine. this claim is western propaganda to deflect and distract from the fact that the west is principally responsible for provoking this conflict due to decades of nato expansion. but just to entertain the argument, if russia wanted to conquer and occupy JUST the entirety of ukraine (not even considering the rest of eastern europe) he would have needed a MUCH larger army than the 200,000 troops that he deployed in 2022 to do so. also, if putin was so hellbent on his supposed conquests, why was he negotiating with zelensky two months into the war in istanbul to end the war before we intervened and told zelensky not to negotiate?

and just to be clear, if there was sufficient evidence to support your claim that putin was on the warpath in eastern europe, you'd find me on the same side of the argument as you.

a brief history on nato expansion - after the cold war, russia was promised by the us that nato would not expand a singular inch eastward. but of course, starting in the late nineties under clinton and then subsequently in the bush and obama years, handfuls of countries at a time were enlisted into nato's ranks during which moscow issued countless warnings throughout the expansion that they would not tolerate it's continuity up to and ultimately including ukraine which would be the last straw for reasons of national security and existential survival.

due to ukraine's history of being used as a 'runway' for invasions into russia by both hitler and napoleon as well as the obviously shaky history between the soviet union and nato, nato's intention on using ukraine as a western bulwark against them was unacceptable in their eyes and therefore viewed as a declaration of war. the 2014 coup detat and the 2021/22 refusal by nato to cease their efforts to enlist ukraine into their ranks were the final straws in all of this and russia (in their view) had no choice but to invade ukraine. so considering the history, this invasion was decades in the making in the same vein that hamas' attack on israel was decades in the making due to nearly a century of a brutal occupation. in other words, it should have come as no surprise to anyone familiar with the history that it ultimately happened.

whether you agree with this notion or not, it should at the least be acknowledged and understood and certainly holds more weight and is backed by much more evidence than the conventional wisdom that this war was unprovoked and putin is effectively the next hitler. the idea that, for example, if mexico or canada were to join a russian or china military blocc, that america would tolerate having the "enemy" on our doorstep and do nothing about it is ridiculous. our monroe doctrine exists for this very reason and the fact that russia, also a great power, feels the same way should be respected and honored regardless of how you may feel about putin.

The question is: What would you accept as evidence? Obviously not newspapers. So what does it have to be. Masterplans from Putin's bunker?
So far he threatened the baltic states, Finnland, Sweden. He led wars against Ukraine, Georgia and seperatist partrepublics within the RF.

He has a group of loyal politicians in (eastern) Europe. Several trollfarms were already hacked. Putin uses totally different rhethoric inside and outside Russia.

Acting like Russia is a victim of the Nato is like saying a rape is justified, because the victim wore hotpants. Especially when he broke the Budapest Memorandum.

[MrFonzworth]

yes

:facepalm

[RRR3]

:facepalm
Dumbamenz :yaohappy: