LeBron with 16 points in the 4th quarter

[1987_Lakers]

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[90sgoat]

Lebron has a lot more energy in the 4th now that Luka can carry him for the first 3 quarters.

[1987_Lakers]

Lebron has a lot more energy in the 4th now that Luka can carry him for the first 3 quarters.

He let Luka do his thing to start the game since they were playing his former team, then took over in the 4th when things got serious.

LeClutch!

[Neal Romer]

That's my King...... that's my GOAT :cry: :applause:

[1987_Lakers]

That's my King...... that's my GOAT :cry: :applause:

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[SouBeachTalents]

Lebron has a lot more energy in the 4th now that Luka can carry him for the first 3 quarters.
Tough night for this guy

[ImKobe]

-5 with him on the court in 37 minutes, +13 in the 11 minutes he sat

[8Ball]

So this is what having a playmaker finally feels like. LeBron can just focus on scoring and playing defence.


If Jordan had to carry the offence and play make for everyone he would have stayed retired in 1993.

[ImKobe]

So this is what having a playmaker finally feels like. LeBron can just focus on scoring and playing defence.


If Jordan had to carry the offence and play make for everyone he would have stayed retired in 1993.

Makes absolutely no sense knowing that MJ missed 0 games from 96-98 while playing 38 mpg in the RS & 41.5 mpg in the Playoffs while leading the RS in usage every season lol.

Luka's impact has been insane thus far and he's been playing below his average for most of his Lakers' stint.

https://i.gyazo.com/16324dc683ba2c7a84cc934380dc7fe1.png

[1987_Lakers]

Makes absolutely no sense knowing that MJ missed 0 games from 96-98 while playing 38 mpg in the RS & 41.5 mpg in the Playoffs while leading the RS in usage every season lol.

Luka's impact has been insane thus far and he's been playing below his average for most of his Lakers' stint.

https://i.gyazo.com/16324dc683ba2c7a84cc934380dc7fe1.png

No AD, no problem

[sdot_thadon]

Makes absolutely no sense knowing that MJ missed 0 games from 96-98 while playing 38 mpg in the RS & 41.5 mpg in the Playoffs while leading the RS in usage every season lol.

Luka's impact has been insane thus far and he's been playing below his average for most of his Lakers' stint.

https://i.gyazo.com/16324dc683ba2c7a84cc934380dc7fe1.png

The weird thing about small sample sizes is they tell you the teams offense is at its best when neither lebron or luka is on the floor. Tells you all you need to know about the its validity.

[ImKobe]

The weird thing about small sample sizes is they tell you the teams offense is at its best when neither lebron or luka is on the floor. Tells you all you need to know about the its validity.

It's not even a small sample size thing. Lakers are over 2 points per 100 better on offense with Bron on the bench FOR THE WHOLE SEASON (that's over 800 minutes of sample size for non-Lebron minutes). Like, Lebron's a big net-negative this year (-7 per 100) if we look at the +/- numbers.

And why do these things happen? Well, the 2nd unit with Lebron has struggled to produce on offense & defend, which is where they usually have blown leads or let the game get away from them.

[RRR3]

It's not even a small sample size thing. Lakers are over 2 points per 100 better on offense with Bron on the bench FOR THE WHOLE SEASON (that's over 800 minutes of sample size for non-Lebron minutes). Like, Lebron's a big net-negative this year (-7 per 100) if we look at the +/- numbers.

And why do these things happen? Well, the 2nd unit with Lebron has struggled to produce on offense & defend, which is where they usually have blown leads or let the game get away from them.
Surely you'll be consistent and admit Kobe was a net negative in 2002 considering the Lakers were better with him off the court.

[ImKobe]

Surely you'll be consistent and admit Kobe was a net negative in 2002 considering the Lakers were better with him off the court.

No one's talking about 2002 here bro stop trying to change the subject.

Me pulling up the Bron numbers is a direct response to people saying that AD somehow didn't help the Lakers win this season when he played like peak Shaq out the gate to carry the Lakers to wins and was easily the best player on the team before being traded. He allowed Lebron to coast for most of that early part of the season.

[RRR3]

No one's talking about 2002 here bro stop trying to change the subject.

Me pulling up the Bron numbers is a direct response to people saying that AD somehow didn't help the Lakers win this season when he played like peak Shaq out the gate to carry the Lakers to wins and was easily the best player on the team before being traded. He allowed Lebron to coast for most of that early part of the season.
What a surprise, can't be consistent :(

Shaq carried NetNegativeBe in 2002.

[ArbitraryWater]

No one's talking about 2002 here bro stop trying to change the subject.

Me pulling up the Bron numbers is a direct response to people saying that AD somehow didn't help the Lakers win this season when he played like peak Shaq out the gate to carry the Lakers to wins and was easily the best player on the team before being traded. He allowed Lebron to coast for most of that early part of the season.

People are just wondering if you have principles/are honest.

Does the same apply for 2002?

[1987_Lakers]

Surely you'll be consistent and admit Kobe was a net negative in 2002 considering the Lakers were better with him off the court.

ImKobe wrekt. :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

What a surprise, can't be consistent :(

Shaq carried NetNegativeBe in 2002.

And Kobe carried Shaq in the 2001 Playoffs and AD carried Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs by this same logic.

Any time the Bran stans get confronted on their weak ass points they just try to move the goalposts and change the topic because they know they can't defend their position lol. Lebron has been 2nd fiddle to AD for years and will be 2nd fiddle to Luka and that's okay.

Bran stans have been out of touch for years.

[SouBeachTalents]

And Kobe carried Shaq in the 2001 Playoffs and AD carried Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs by this same logic.

Any time the Bran stans get confronted on their weak ass points they just try to move the goalposts and change the topic because they know they can't defend their position lol. Lebron has been 2nd fiddle to AD for years and will be 2nd fiddle to Luka and that's okay.

Bran stans have been out of touch for years.
LeBron outscored AD for 4 of their 6 season together.

[ImKobe]

LeBron outscored AD for 4 of their 6 season together.

And that has nothing to do with which person is more valuable. AD outscored him in their title run and AD has been the anchor on the defense all these years. The delusion with some of these ppl on ISH is insane.

[SouBeachTalents]

And that has nothing to do with which person is more valuable. AD outscored him in their title run and AD has been the anchor on the defense all these years. The delusion with some of these ppl on ISH is insane.
Kobe was 2nd fiddle for the majority of his titles.

[1987_Lakers]

Lakers record without Kobe from 2000-2003: 25-7

Lakers record without Shaq from 2000-2003: 18-23

NegativeBE

[1987_Lakers]

Lakers have a 44-55 record without LeBron since 2020

Lakers had a 66-67 record without AD from 2020 until he left.

How the hell was a past prime LeBron more valuable to the Lakers than prime Kobe?

[ImKobe]

Kobe was 2nd fiddle for the majority of his titles.

Yeah exactly. See the guy above me as well. When they fail the AD-Lebron conversation they just switch topics to something no one here cares about anymore.

AD deserves respect but Bran stans only care about one thing. I can't wait for the delusional Luka vs Lebron takes on this forum because I'm sure we'll get plenty of them.

[ImKobe]

Lakers have a 44-55 record without LeBron since 2020

Lakers had a 66-67 record without AD from 2020 until he left.

How the hell was a past prime LeBron more valuable to the Lakers than prime Kobe?

This includes the recent games I'm guessing where he's not even on the team. The year AD missed 42 games they didn't even make the Play-In. In the Suns series in the 1st round in 2021 the Lakers looked like they were going to win the series until AD got injured. They got demolished without him as Lebron threw up bricks and refused to run back on defense in crunch time. Somehow I'm supposed to believe here that AD is a net-negative player and Lakers are better without him.

[RRR3]

And Kobe carried Shaq in the 2001 Playoffs and AD carried Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs by this same logic.

Any time the Bran stans get confronted on their weak ass points they just try to move the goalposts and change the topic because they know they can't defend their position lol. Lebron has been 2nd fiddle to AD for years and will be 2nd fiddle to Luka and that's okay.

Bran stans have been out of touch for years.
Why do you hold LeBron to a higher standard than Kobe? Somehow it’s ok if prime Kobe has a negative net rating but 40 year old LeBron has one and you start throwing a tantrum like a toddler?

[1987_Lakers]

ImKobe trying so hard to ignore Kobe's minus numbers, which is the same thing he is using against LeBron in this thread.

:lol

[ImKobe]

You ignore Lebron's net rating this season but expect me to answer anything about a topic not even related to the 2024 Lakers or Lebron or AD? :oldlol:

How about answer me how Lebron is so great and better than AD and Luka but has a -7 Net Rating on the season :confusedshrug:

[RRR3]

You ignore Lebron's net rating this season but expect me to answer anything about a topic not even related to the 2024 Lakers or Lebron or AD? :oldlol:

How about answer me how Lebron is so great and better than AD and Luka but has a -7 Net Rating on the season :confusedshrug:
When did I say 40 year old LeBron was better than AD or Luka? Are you schizophrenic?

[ImKobe]

Kobe was still a positive player on the floor in 2002 (+4), when Lebron is on the court this year the Lakers are a -0.4.

[RRR3]

Kobe was still a positive player on the floor in 2002 (+4), when Lebron is on the court this year the Lakers are a -0.4.
Do you think peak Kobe being slightly better than 40 year old LeBron is impressive or something?

[Phoenix]

Didn't Lebron spend the first few months of the season at like -100 or something crazy like that? If he's -7 now that tells me he had a really crappy start to the year in terms of team impact but has picked it up in recent weeks and will probably finish the year on the plus side. Which would makes sense because he's very clearly had a great January/February.

[ImKobe]

Didn't Lebron spend the first few months of the season at like -100 or something crazy like that? If he's -7 now that tells me he had a really crappy start to the year in terms of team impact but has picked it up in recent weeks and will probably finish the year on the plus side. Which would makes sense because he's very clearly had a great January/February.

-7 is his average per game. As in they're 7 points per 100 worse in these On/Off splits for the whole season.

[RRR3]

Didn't Lebron spend the first few months of the season at like -100 or something crazy like that? If he's -7 now that tells me he had a really crappy start to the year in terms of team impact but has picked it up in recent weeks and will probably finish the year on the plus side. Which would makes sense because he's very clearly had a great January/February.
I honestly don’t care if LeBron is bad at 40. The fact that he thinks this means anything when he used to jizz himself every time Kobe grazed the backboard at a similar age is telling.

[Phoenix]

-7 is his average per game. As in they're 7 points per 100 worse in these On/Off splits for the whole season.

Yes but what I'm saying is, he's less of a negative at this juncture in the season as compared to November-December, yeah? He's very clearly playing better now than he was at the start of the year.

[ImKobe]

Do you think peak Kobe being slightly better than 40 year old LeBron is impressive or something?

Kobe was arguably the best player in the league in 2002. Lebron at this point you can argue is not even top 10 so I'm not sure what you're smoking on.

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe was still a positive player on the floor in 2002 (+4), when Lebron is on the court this year the Lakers are a -0.4.

LeBron is currently #3 all time in Box Plus/Minus

Kobe is #40, behind guys like Kirilenko, Butler, & Ginobili

[ImKobe]

Yes but what I'm saying is, he's less of a negative at this juncture in the season as compared to November-December, yeah?

Might be the case but it's not like it has trended much in Lebron's favor during this Luka stretch, and Luka hasn't even played that well by his standards.

https://i.gyazo.com/e8483aab5ff6537e0b2704edf2ffa7b3.png

The fact is that Lebron has not done well on the court without AD/Luka when he's playing with the 2nd unit.

[RRR3]

Kobe was arguably the best player in the league in 2002. Lebron at this point you can argue is not even top 10 so I'm not sure what you're smoking on.
If he was arguably the best player in the league when his team was better with him on the bench, why would you think LeBron’s on/off necessarily proves anything?

Imagine if you held Kobe to the standards you held LeBron to.

[RRR3]

https://i.imgflip.com/9lp3zg.jpg

[ImKobe]

If he was arguably the best player in the league when his team was better with him on the bench, why would you think LeBron’s on/off necessarily proves anything?

Imagine if you held Kobe to the standards you held LeBron to.

Because Kobe played 38 mpg and only missed 2 games vs. easy teams due to a suspension while Shaq was out for a good portion of the season, and Kobe's net rating was far better if you really want to compare the two, but you're only doing this because you have no answer for Lebron's -7 Net Rating because you don't even understand what you're talking about. I could defend this position for you but I don't think I'm gonna help you out on this one. You don't have to go and bring down someone else to make yourself feel better on the topic of Lebron being a negative on the court this season.

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe was arguably the best player in the league in 2002. Lebron at this point you can argue is not even top 10 so I'm not sure what you're smoking on.
The fact you can argue he is at 40 years old is pretty remarkable, how many other players in history could say that at the same age?

[ImKobe]

The fact you can argue he is at 40 years old is pretty remarkable, how many other players in history could say that at the same age?

But I didn't come in here comparing him to Kobe. Lebron's doing great but then his stans go wild on the internet and try to bring down anyone he's ever played with. They did it to AD and they're low-key doing it to Luka already. These guys are not Laker fans and could care less about the team winning if Lebron isn't the one to lead the way.

[RRR3]

But I didn't come in here comparing him to Kobe. Lebron's doing great but then his stans go wild on the internet and try to bring down anyone he's ever played with. They did it to AD and they're low-key doing it to Luka already. These guys are not Laker fans and could care less about the team winning if Lebron isn't the one to lead the way.
Do you honestly think anyone believes you’re a Lakers fan

[1987_Lakers]

Because Kobe played 38 mpg and only missed 2 games vs. easy teams due to a suspension

Why lie? One of the games Kobe missed was vs the Nets, the team that they played in the Finals. Lakers won that game without him.

[ImKobe]

Why lie? One of the games Kobe missed was vs the Nets, the team that they played in the Finals. Lakers won that game without him.

Nets - the team Shaq & Duncan both annihilated because they had one of the softest front courts in the league.

[RRR3]

Nets - the team Shaq & Duncan both annihilated because they had one of the softest front courts in the league.
So you’re saying Kobe could have have sat out the finals and Shaq would have won anyways?

[1987_Lakers]

Nets - the team Shaq & Duncan both annihilated because they had one of the softest front courts in the league.

Lakers sweep Nets without Kobe confirmed

[RRR3]

The Nets center position being weak (because it would be false to say their power forward Kenyon Martin wasn’t a nice player) so it doesn’t count what Shaq did is funny coming from the same guy who makes a huge deal about AD obliterating the Nuggets in 2020 considering their center is Jokic who is a rotten defender.

[sdot_thadon]

It's not even a small sample size thing. Lakers are over 2 points per 100 better on offense with Bron on the bench FOR THE WHOLE SEASON (that's over 800 minutes of sample size for non-Lebron minutes). Like, Lebron's a big net-negative this year (-7 per 100) if we look at the +/- numbers.

And why do these things happen? Well, the 2nd unit with Lebron has struggled to produce on offense & defend, which is where they usually have blown leads or let the game get away from them.
Seems like you refuted your own point already i don't need to say much except: imagine how great a player must be that he's held to such lofty standards at 40. The fact that you know he's with the 2nd unit which was widely known to be underperforming until trades and health finally kicked in, and still expect that same superhero he was up until his late 30s? Wow. Let's just say we never had these expectations for the guy you named your account after....

[RRR3]

Seems like you refuted your own point already i don't need to say much except: imagine how great a player must be that he's held to such lofty standards at 40. The fact that you know he's with the 2nd unit which was widely known to be underperforming until trades and health finally kicked in, and still expect that same superhero he was up until his late 30s? Wow. Let's just say we never had these expectations for the guy you named your account after....
If he analyzed Kobe the way he analyzed LeBron he wouldn’t even have Kobe in the top 25.

[sdot_thadon]

If he analyzed Kobe the way he analyzed LeBron he wouldn’t even have Kobe in the top 25.

Not a single Kobe stan would and Mj wouldn't be anyone's goat either. Thats my whole issue with the debates. I was a fan of all 3 guys but they aren't judged anywhere near the same.

[ImKobe]

Seems like you refuted your own point already i don't need to say much except: imagine how great a player must be that he's held to such lofty standards at 40. The fact that you know he's with the 2nd unit which was widely known to be underperforming until trades and health finally kicked in, and still expect that same superhero he was up until his late 30s? Wow. Let's just say we never had these expectations for the guy you named your account after....

What did I refute on this exactly?

Cool, he's great for 40 and still playing at a high level, no one's taking this away from him. I have issue with the Lebron trolls who spend their days downplaying his teammates and making threads about Bron deserving MVP and acting as if AD wasn't a great player.

But oh boy - if I say anything back now all of a sudden I'm the bad guy who's holding him to ridiculous standards when the ridiculous standards are set by the posters (RR3 and the fake Laker fan are probably the same guy) who obsessively follow me from thread to thread any time I bother to come back to this relic of a forum.

[tpols]

The Nets center position being weak (because it would be false to say their power forward Kenyon Martin wasn’t a nice player) so it doesn’t count what Shaq did is funny coming from the same guy who makes a huge deal about AD obliterating the Nuggets in 2020 considering their center is Jokic who is a rotten defender.

Well that's a first.

Apparently outplaying Jokic H2H in a playoff series is now a negative.

Good looks.

[sdot_thadon]

What did I refute on this exactly?

Cool, he's great for 40 and still playing at a high level, no one's taking this away from him. I have issue with the Lebron trolls who spend their days downplaying his teammates and making threads about Bron deserving MVP and acting as if AD wasn't a great player.

But oh boy - if I say anything back now all of a sudden I'm the bad guy who's holding him to ridiculous standards when the ridiculous standards are set by the posters (RR3 and the fake Laker fan are probably the same guy) who obsessively follow me from thread to thread any time I bother to come back to this relic of a forum.

The part where you knew the explanation of the numbers by the end of the post and still went with the narrative as if you didn't. :kobe: I could care less about what clear trolls post, those guys topics are like national enquirer headlines and usually last like 2 posts aka they don't even believe some of the shit themselves and arent really even good trolls. Guys like yourself have been doing what is expected of any Kobe stan when it comes to Lebron and perhaps these guys just like rubbing it in your face that Kobes not better than Lebron for all I know. I'm replying to data that doesn't say what you thought it said. Thats all lol.

[RRR3]

The part where you knew the explanation of the numbers by the end of the post and still went with the narrative as if you didn't. :kobe: I could care less about what clear trolls post, those guys topics are like national enquirer headlines and usually last like 2 posts aka they don't even believe some of the shit themselves and arent really even good trolls. Guys like yourself have been doing what is expected of any Kobe stan when it comes to Lebron and perhaps these guys just like rubbing it in your face that Kobes not better than Lebron for all I know. I'm replying to data that doesn't say what you thought it said. Thats all lol.
LeBron's career RAPM is 10.0. Kobe's was 3.8 :yaohappy:

[sdot_thadon]

LeBron's career RAPM is 10.0. Kobe's was 3.8 :yaohappy:

That's not even necessary, Lebron has Kobe beat soundly in almost every aspect of the game.

[ImKobe]

The part where you knew the explanation of the numbers by the end of the post and still went with the narrative as if you didn't. :kobe: I could care less about what clear trolls post, those guys topics are like national enquirer headlines and usually last like 2 posts aka they don't even believe some of the shit themselves and arent really even good trolls. Guys like yourself have been doing what is expected of any Kobe stan when it comes to Lebron and perhaps these guys just like rubbing it in your face that Kobes not better than Lebron for all I know. I'm replying to data that doesn't say what you thought it said. Thats all lol.

Are you dense or something?

The On/Off splits with Luka are obviously very limited in sample size. I only posted that to point out that Lebron's Net Rating has not been improving recently like the guy I quoted thought.

This is not a fluke though, it's a season-long trend. They've been worse with Lebron on the court and you guys can't even give me one reason as to why it is without bringing up Kobe's name as if he has anything to do with this.

[ImKobe]

That's not even necessary, Lebron has Kobe beat soundly in almost every aspect of the game.

So much so that he's been less successful with more years in the game with way more star teammates while playing in the weakest Conference in NBA history for the majority of his career.

[Keno]

ImKobe trying so hard to ignore Kobe's minus numbers, which is the same thing he is using against LeBron in this thread.

:lol

one of my kobe stan friend does the exact same thing lmao, stupidity runs in the fandom.

[Keno]

Do you think peak Kobe being slightly better than 40 year old LeBron is impressive or something?

LMAO, I'm in tearssssssss, there's no coming back

[Keno]

can't believe imkobe is trying to argue plus minus when lebron all time is better than his lord and savior by miles.

imagine having the audacity to compare 40 year old bron who should be a bench warmer right now to his so called goat in his prime, just goes to show the level between the two players. :lol

[ImKobe]

one of my kobe stan friend does the exact same thing lmao, stupidity runs in the fandom.

So you realize I brought up Lebron's +/- and instead of getting into the why they just divert to talking about Kobe in 2002 without even addressing the point I made? Why do I now all of a sudden have to respond to their troll reply when they can't even talk about Lebron's Net Rating which is relevant given that the thread is about Lebron and not Kobe? And I still gave in and responded to that goalpost move while they've yet to address Lebron's +/-.

The dumbest thing ITT is someone trying to compare Lebron's net rating on the Lakers to someone else's from 23 years ago. There's absolutely 0 correlation and in no shape of form would that comparison even bear any weight in the discussion as neither of them played on those teams together, and in Kobe's case he was still far better for his team in terms of Net Rating as they were actually beating teams by 4 points per 100 possessions with him on the court while the Lakers are getting outscored with Lebron on the court this season, and in Kobe's case he had to play a bunch of games without Shaq while Shaq had Kobe for all but 2 of his games.

[ImKobe]

can't believe imkobe is trying to argue plus minus when lebron all time is better than his lord and savior by miles.

imagine having the audacity to compare 40 year old bron who should be a bench warmer right now to his so called goat in his prime, just goes to show the level between the two players. :lol

What does all-time have to do with anything? why are we even trying to compare the two here? I bought up Lebron's +/- THIS SEASON AND WITH LUKA while OP was busy sucking off his idol's 4th quarter points, ignoring who actually carried the game (his team & Luka) lol.

[ShawkFactory]

What does all-time have to do with anything? why are we even trying to compare the two here? I bought up Lebron's +/- THIS SEASON AND WITH LUKA while OP was busy sucking off his idol's 4th quarter points, ignoring who actually carried the game (his team & Luka) lol.

He had a really good 4th quarter. Made a lot of hustle plays on top of the scoring and was a big part in closing it out.

[ArbitraryWater]

And Kobe carried Shaq in the 2001 Playoffs and AD carried Lebron in the 2020 Playoffs by this same logic.

Any time the Bran stans get confronted on their weak ass points they just try to move the goalposts and change the topic because they know they can't defend their position lol. Lebron has been 2nd fiddle to AD for years and will be 2nd fiddle to Luka and that's okay.

Bran stans have been out of touch for years.



"Guys check the +/- it proves Bron is mediocre this year... no, the same doesnt apply for Kobe in 2002. Kobe was arguably the BITW that year. Stop moving goal posts bro"


ImKobe in lala land

[red1]

luka aka GOATed ballhandler and playmaker and now reaves is that dude too


ol GOAT can now focus on defense and cutting to the rim instead of pounding the ball. this is going to open everything up. this team can be great on both sides

[Full Court]

luka aka GOATed ballhandler and playmaker and now reaves is that dude too


ol GOAT can now focus on defense and cutting to the rim instead of pounding the ball. this is going to open everything up. this team can be great on both sides

Lakers are beyond stacked. No excuses.

[red1]

Lakers are beyond stacked. No excuses.

you're coming onto the 4 year mark next month


4 years of retarded, garbage, low IQ posts :applause:

[Full Court]

you're coming onto the 4 year mark next month


4 years of retarded, garbage, low IQ posts :applause:

You're getting your excuses ready as we speak, aren't you? :roll:

By the way, did you see Lebron AIRBALL YET ANOTHER FREE THROW last game against the Mavs?


:lebronamazed:

[Manny98]

So this is what having a playmaker finally feels like. LeBron can just focus on scoring and playing defence.


If Jordan had to carry the offence and play make for everyone he would have stayed retired in 1993.
He's been playing all NBA defense recently

Imagine prime LeBron with an elite playmaker by his side, he'd be averaging 30ppg and winning multiple DPOY awards

[Axe]

Other players turn into role players when they reach that age. But not him.


you're coming onto the 4 year mark next month


4 years of retarded, garbage, low IQ posts :applause:
:oldlol: