Trump kicks Zelensky out of the White House.

[Hey Yo]

Said total disrespect on Z's part since they started talking earlier. Z's actions showed Trump that Z's not ready for peace.

[Hey Yo]

https://youtu.be/CIEZEvx1HfU?si=fJNcOac211cXvFUo

[highwhey]

it's hilarious watching trump being dumbfounded by why his bullying tactics are not working on real world leaders. Sheinbaum also put donnie in his place, but zelensky did it to his face. trump literally is a bully that is not used to being told 'no'. he had to bring his vp so it was a 2on1 but somehow still managed to embarrass the entire country (USA). trump is for sure a russian agent.

[n00bie]

Even Trump supporters are embarrassed of this clown.

[highwhey]

it's also a shame donnie being assertive with a country at war and in a vulnerable position, but gets walked around like a lapdog in his own white house by the you know whats...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-F1XbLuR2vo


are we winning yet? :ohwell:

[ArbitraryWater]

Zelensky sitting there arms crossed :oldlol:


Guy isnt a politician.

"he killed our people" he says about Putin.

Very specific.

Spoken like a true president.

[ArbitraryWater]

This is the most real open talk among politicians Ive ever seen.


Goat.

[Hey Yo]

Even Trump supporters are embarrassed of this clown.

America first, chico. Been 4yrs since we've seen that happening. Done with free handouts

[ArbitraryWater]

Even Trump supporters are embarrassed of this clown.

source?

[86Celtics]

The most disgusting and appalling behaviour ever seen in the Oval Office. Two c*nts of the highest order ganging up on Zelenskyy in what was an obvious setup. They had the first statement out before Zelenskyy had even left. No surprise that TASS attended but AP and Reuters were banned.

America has fallen down so far down the rabbit's hole that it's gone. What an absolute embarrassment.

[highwhey]

source?

righ chea boiii:


it's hilarious watching trump being dumbfounded by why his bullying tactics are not working on real world leaders. Sheinbaum also put donnie in his place, but zelensky did it to his face. trump literally is a bully that is not used to being told 'no'. he had to bring his vp so it was a 2on1 but somehow still managed to embarrass the entire country (USA). trump is for sure a russian agent.

https://i.postimg.cc/tJ6KkWmR/IMG-4422-1.jpg

[SouBeachTalents]

The most disgusting and appalling behaviour ever seen in the Oval Office. Two c*nts of the highest order ganging up on Zelenskyy in what was an obvious setup. They had the first statement out before Zelenskyy had even left. No surprise that TASS attended but AP and Reuters were banned.

America has fallen down so far down the rabbit's hole that it's gone. What an absolute embarrassment.
Preach

[diamenz]

that clown wants to obstruct peace because his puppet masters are pulling his little limbs. let putin have that little shit. off with his head, vlad!

[diamenz]

The most disgusting and appalling behaviour ever seen in the Oval Office. Two c*nts of the highest order ganging up on Zelenskyy in what was an obvious setup. They had the first statement out before Zelenskyy had even left. No surprise that TASS attended but AP and Reuters were banned.

America has fallen down so far down the rabbit's hole that it's gone. What an absolute embarrassment.

man u just can't stop losing can u bro? better watch some of those meidas touch videos to help u cope.

[BurningHammer]

The most disgusting and appalling behaviour ever seen in the Oval Office. Two c*nts of the highest order ganging up on Zelenskyy in what was an obvious setup. They had the first statement out before Zelenskyy had even left. No surprise that TASS attended but AP and Reuters were banned.

America has fallen down so far down the rabbit's hole that it's gone. What an absolute embarrassment.
:applause:

[BurningHammer]

America first, chico. Been 4yrs since we've seen that happening. Done with free handouts

It's more of Russia First now. :ohwell:

[Lakers Legend#32]

And in true bully fashion, Trump could not take on Zelensky one on one, he had to bring his butt boy Vance along so it would be two on one.

[hiphopanonymous]

Anyone notice when Trump met Zelenksy at the door he immediately cracked a joke commenting on how underdressed Zelenksy looked? Height wise Trump towers over him too. It reminded me back of my younger days when I first was working in business... I got similar comments from people who were tenured in the game. It can make you feel really small and underprepared. Later, even a reporter asked him the same question and Trump silently let Zelensky give a sheepish nothing answer. It among countless other interactions were incredibly uncomfortable to watch and basically the entire meeting from start to finish was Trump basically asserting to Zelenksy that you are small and feed out of my hand on command and - I'm disappointed in you. He was basically treated like someone who was going to get fired if it weren't for some sort of other type of connection.

My big take away from this was the conversation was about 100 times more hostile than I expected it to be. But I do see where Trump is coming from, at one point Zelensky tried to call out Vance for political moral grandstanding and that's when the incredible anger and hostile talking-to happened. I say talking-to because Trump and Vance basically dominated Zelensky at that point in front of everyone, not just the media but the entire world. There's a valid point that yeah, you shouldn't be calling out a neutral arbiter of good faith and peace and challenging them when you've got both everything to gain and everything to lose. But damn. The exchange was a brutal sit down, shut up, and cooperate command or we'll pull your support and watch you get obliterated type of tone from that point forward. No minced words.

Having been in tense conversations about much smaller scale, but fairly important things in the past, I can say if I were Zelensky I'd be absolutely furious at how I was treated straight from the get-go. But there is some truth in all of this that if the hand that feeds you wants the fighting to stop you really do have to comply. The rug can be yanked out from under you so now is not the time to puff out your chest and "stand up to" or challenge statements by Trump or Vance like he attempted to do which pissed them off.

I had a lot of confidence a peace agreement would be made. At this point it could go either direction I've no idea. If Zelensky puts his ego and pride above all else, there won't be a deal. If he puts his and his countries survival above all else, he'll come back with a different attitude to negotiate again. Trump did tweet or whatever that the door is open for when Zelensky actually decides he wants peace to come back and talk again.

[diamenz]

https://x.com/9mm_smg/status/1895531565649969163?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1895531565649969163%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

brutal. tell em donny. zelensky got a reality check for real today. he's holding an empty hand and he's ruining his country and getting thousands of people killed for nothing.

wish trump would put little bibi in his place like this.

[Jasper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2jxEi7TBs

Trump fixing the war in 24 hours ....

:roll::roll::roll:

[diamenz]

"with us, you have some cards. without us, you don't have any cards".

WHEW! that's what i'm talkin bout!

[rmt]

Z is in a bad spot - he should have negotiated with Russia at the beginning of war and not listened to Biden/Boris Johnson. Now 3 years later - what does he have - a destroyed country and hundreds of thousands dead - I guess there's whatever was skimmed off the top from (unaccountable) aid.

I don't get the US will "feel" it comment - we could just withdraw aid and say bye bye - we're not gonna feel anything - Ukraine will be the ones without weapons/aid.

[StickyWice]

Peepol here so stupid especially Mexicans who have no clue but construction

Anyone ever ask Mexico for opinion? They tariff about go up even after better border they pay for free

Zelensky idiot, he need America so he come to beg
Trump try to stop peepol die so want peace zelensky want win war
Can not win war without peepol diring so he have compromise… but he say no


Peepol say trump dumb, what you want him to do? He already try to get more money idiot Biden just give away. If idiot want to try to war against superpower do without my tax money.

We all ask what we get investing in this war… Biden does not care, glad trump do

[StickyWice]

I bet democrat here sucky sucky peepee for own DEI policy

[Gudo]

So nice to bully when you have the upper hand. Let's see Vance do that to Putin.

[StickyWice]

So nice to bully when you have the upper hand. Let's see Vance do that to Putin.



Aww look at liberal cry because trump tough in begged wanting billions to kill more peepol

I bet he have shirt say

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlPRDxjnP0nRbbvTe6vw_o3Cah_Ji79 kiBe07YpQmpIg&s

[Gudo]

Aww look at liberal cry because trump tough in begged wanting billions to kill more peepol

I bet he have shirt say

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQlPRDxjnP0nRbbvTe6vw_o3Cah_Ji79 kiBe07YpQmpIg&s

Dude, I'm not even an American.

[Gudo]

Also, Vance talking about diplomacy, then acting immediately on the contrary as soon as Zelensky kept him in check. Lol pure comedy.

[StickyWice]

Dude, I'm not even an American.


Are you low iq? I never say you American. But I say what you are.. a dumbass.

[Media Moderator]

This is horrible for Zelensky. Europe will have to come to his rescue or else Ukraine risks losing all those people and having a war ravaged country for nothing. If Europe doesn't help him he's probably going to lose more land than he would have if he had negotiated with Putin and avoided war completely. In which case he will go down as one of the worst leaders ever.

Even if he didn't agree with Trump, he should have kept his mouth shut for the good of his people but apparently his ego moves him more than his compassion for Ukraine's women and children

[TeflonDonTrump]

This is horrible for Zelensky. Europe will have to come to his rescue or else Ukraine risks losing all those people and having a war ravaged country for nothing. If Europe doesn't help him he's probably going to lose more land than he would have if he had negotiated with Putin and avoided war completely. In which case he will go down as one of the worst leaders ever.

Even if he didn't agree with Trump, he should have kept his mouth shut for the good of his people but apparently his ego moves him more than his compassion for Ukraine's women and children

That guy never cared for his citizens. He does photo ops to prop his country up while he is hiding in some bunker or in America begging for money.

[StickyWice]

This is horrible for Zelensky. Europe will have to come to his rescue or else Ukraine risks losing all those people and having a war ravaged country for nothing. If Europe doesn't help him he's probably going to lose more land than he would have if he had negotiated with Putin and avoided war completely. In which case he will go down as one of the worst leaders ever.

Even if he didn't agree with Trump, he should have kept his mouth shut for the good of his people but apparently his ego moves him more than his compassion for Ukraine's women and children


He has no right for demands.. if you come to a country who try to help you and already give you most of all countries put together, first thing you say is thank you for everything you have already done for me to be alive and here today. Not like this

The deal was good for everyone. American get something for investment he get money because mineral money shared and protection

But he no want to admit he lost land and make peace deal. This is fallacy that get him killed and lose war

[brownmamba00]

Trump really humiliated Zelensky from start to finish. The Kremlin is laughing at this.

[Media Moderator]

So nice to bully when you have the upper hand. Let's see Vance do that to Putin.

Let's say you're right. Vance is still just the VP. Even if you hate Trump, you have to admit Zelensky was incredibly stupid to draw the ire of Trump by promising him that our country will be invaded soon. Trump was kinda just watching them both go at it up until then.

[Media Moderator]

So nice to bully when you have the upper hand. Let's see Vance do that to Putin.

Let's say you're right. Vance is still just the VP. Even if you hate Trump, you have to admit Zelensky was incredibly stupid to draw the ire of Trump by promising him that our country will be invaded soon. Trump was kinda just watching them both go at it up until then.

[highwhey]

Trump really humiliated Zelensky from start to finish. The Kremlin is laughing at this.

sure. much in the same way that inviting over someone to dinner and ambushing them with low brow questions and attacking them verbally.

the rest of the world will see this and will be driven away from meeting trump in the white house. this is actually terrible for the US. it's tarnishing the reputation of the white house's history for making deals with foreign leaders and businesses.

[StickyWice]

sure. much in the same way that inviting over someone to dinner and ambushing them with low brow questions and attacking them verbally.

the rest of the world will see this and will be driven away from meeting trump in the white house. this is actually terrible for the US. it's tarnishing the reputation of the white house's history for making deals with foreign leaders and businesses.


This Beaner now care about reputation. What about your foot? You being not accepted to nursing school? Being uber driver? Your 300lb obesity? What kind of reputation that?

[diamenz]

i'm not quite sure what a lot of you guys are arguing for at this point. ukraine has no chance of winning this war short of us putting troops on the ground. in that scenario, if we were to begin to pushing putin back and ultimately taking back ukraine, putin would use the threat of nuclear attacks against ukraine because moscow sees this conflict as being existential to their country. so this is a lose/lose situation for ukraine and it may as well end now while, as trump said, zelensky still has somewhat of a country left. we never should have gotten ukraine into this mess. this is OUR fault (as well as europe's).

so if you're arguing for more war, you're just arguing for more death and destruction with zero return on investment. it's over.

[Overdrive]

i'm not quite sure what a lot of you guys are arguing for at this point. ukraine has no chance of winning this war short of us putting troops on the ground. in that scenario, if we were to begin to pushing putin back and ultimately taking back ukraine, putin would use the threat of nuclear attacks against ukraine because moscow sees this conflict as being existential to their country. so this is a lose/lose situation for ukraine and it may as well end now while, as trump said, zelensky still has somewhat of a country left. we never should have gotten ukraine into this mess. this is OUR fault (as well as europe's).

so if you're arguing for more war, you're just arguing for more death and destruction with zero return on investment. it's over.

It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.

[diamenz]

It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.

like i said in the other thread, there's no evidence to suggest that putin has ambitions beyond ukraine (or even taking the entirety of ukraine). putin has neither the military nor the economy to undertake a task of that a scale. do you realize how many millions of troops he would need to not only conquer but occupy these eastern european countries? he would need well over a million alone just for ukraine. i'm sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. show me the evidence and make a case for it because i'm open to listening. i've made my case for nato expansion a number of times and provided a timeline of events to back it up.

what we should be doing is normalizing relations with russia and in the process driving a wedge between them and china. china is our real peer competitor - it's not russia.

[Media Moderator]

It's pretty simple. Most of US' wealth comes from its involvement in WW2 and build their economy through building a huge economic partner in Europe.

At the moment China is starting to overtake this block and it doesn't give a big enough shit about the US. At the same time the US is alienating Europe und leaving Ukraine to Putin opens a gate to Europe for him. He'll try how far he can go. Step by step.

There will be plenty of Trump's coming soon to Europe. The youth there are increasingly becoming more right wing. That should be worrying because the youth should always be more liberal, most will inherently become even more right wing as they age

[Overdrive]

like i said in the other thread, there's no evidence to suggest that putin has ambitions beyond ukraine (or even taking the entirety of ukraine). putin has neither the military nor the economy to undertake a task of that a scale. do you realize how many millions of troops he would need to not only conquer but occupy these eastern european countries? he would need well over a million alone just for ukraine. i'm sorry but this is a ridiculous argument. show me the evidence and make a case for it because i'm open to listening. i've made my case for nato expansion a number of times and provided a timeline of events to back it up.

what we should be doing is normalizing relations with russia and in the process driving a wedge between them and china. china is our real peer competitor - it's not russia.

I replied to that already. He openly made threats to a handfull of countries, but that, as you say, is not as worrisome as his "softpower" through vassals and online influence.

[Overdrive]

There will be plenty of Trump's coming soon to Europe. The youth there are increasingly becoming more right wing. That should be worrying because the youth should always be more liberal, most will inherently become even more right wing as they age

Yeah, Europe is in the 1920s phase all over again.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1S2jxEi7TBs

Trump fixing the war in 24 hours ....

:roll::roll::roll:




7:25 mark is Comedy Gold.

"What if anything... What if a bomb drops on your head right now"


wow... that was good.

[RRR3]

Yeah, Europe is in the 1920s phase all over again.
And history will remember people on media moderator's side just as badly as they remembered them last time. But they're too stupid to realize this.

[999Guy]

This is the most real open talk among politicians Ive ever seen.


Goat.

I hope I’m wrong but I really don’t understand why a German would be watching this thinking it’s cute. If shit hits the fan, which it very well seems it is. Germany will be Russia’s end game to the war this is about to start.

Germany will be the prize. They invade Poland, terrorize Finland, and try to stomp through Romania and co, but Germany is the end game.

Germany doesn’t even have nukes. They almost certainly look to get their own arsenal at this rate. Which is almost certainly going to make the planet tremendously more dangerous.

It’s insane the regression Trump has caused geopolitically. And insane how stupid and comfortable people are taking world peace for granted.

[brownmamba00]

sure. much in the same way that inviting over someone to dinner and ambushing them with low brow questions and attacking them verbally.

the rest of the world will see this and will be driven away from meeting trump in the white house. this is actually terrible for the US. it's tarnishing the reputation of the white house's history for making deals with foreign leaders and businesses.

The Biden admin gaslighted this war. Sold them all kinds of cheap weapons to kick it off and now (3y later) US pulls all the way back. Even insults the former client as a fake tough guy. The Americans are just as bad as the Russians when it comes to reliability.

[999Guy]

i'm not quite sure what a lot of you guys are arguing for at this point. ukraine has no chance of winning this war short of us putting troops on the ground. in that scenario, if we were to begin to pushing putin back and ultimately taking back ukraine, putin would use the threat of nuclear attacks against ukraine because moscow sees this conflict as being existential to their country. so this is a lose/lose situation for ukraine and it may as well end now while, as trump said, zelensky still has somewhat of a country left. we never should have gotten ukraine into this mess. this is OUR fault (as well as europe's).

so if you're arguing for more war, you're just arguing for more death and destruction with zero return on investment. it's over.

So, what is the end game then? Russia just takes over the planet by threatening to suicide bomb the world?

Are you people ****ing stupid? You don’t negotiate with terrorists. Moron ****ing Trump who’s never learned foreign policy a day in his life, doesn’t understand this and is free styling the ****ing thing and treating it like it’s a shitty low level business deal. ****ing minerals.

Russia has violated so many agreements, ceasefire after ceasefire, committed countless crimes in every possible way you can imagine. There is no ****ing peace deal with them.

And if you just give them Ukraine, guess what **** nuts? They will be bordering 5 MORE NATO countries through their annexation of Ukraine. Which kind of defeats this whole bullshit argument about NATO being a ‘threat’. Their incursion is only getting closer to NATO. Realistically, Russia is blatantly an imperialistic shithole country full of weak, low character individuals(much like US conservatives), that is on a death race for world domination one way or another. And placating them for a few years, and allowing them to rebuild is a guaranteed disaster for the planet.

[highwhey]

The Biden admin gaslighted this war. Sold them all kinds of cheap weapons to kick it off and now (3y later) US pulls all the way back. Even insults the former client as a fake tough guy. The Americans are just as bad as the Russians when it comes to reliability.

the past is not lost on me, trust me. but this trump bullying ukraine into giving up their land and minerals is no better than the biden directive. and i openly criticized our involvement and "aid" of ukraine during the biden admin. doing putin's dirty legwork feels extremely wrong. also feels wrong to publicly ambush another world leader, tweet that a deal has been before it has only to apply pressure on zelensky, etc. all that sh1t is classic manipulation, and it's a textbook bullying. there's absolutely zero diplomacy in their approach, vance should shut da fukk up trying to talk how zelensky should be more diplomatic...seriously? the entire administration is a circus with no thought, appreciation, or intention of being diplomatic.

[warriorfan]

So, what is the end game then? Russia just takes over the planet by threatening to suicide bomb the world?

Are you people ****ing stupid? You don’t negotiate with terrorists. Moron ****ing Trump who’s never learned foreign policy a day in his life, doesn’t understand this and is free styling the ****ing thing and treating it like it’s a shitty low level business deal. ****ing minerals.

Russia has violated so many agreements, ceasefire after ceasefire, committed countless crimes in every possible way you can imagine. There is no ****ing peace deal with them.

And if you just give them Ukraine, guess what **** nuts? They will be bordering 5 MORE NATO countries through their annexation of Ukraine. Which kind of defeats this whole bullshit argument about NATO being a ‘threat’. Their incursion is only getting closer to NATO. Realistically, Russia is blatantly an imperialistic shithole country full of weak, low character individuals(much like US conservatives), that is on a death race for world domination one way or another. And placating them for a few years, and allowing them to rebuild is a guaranteed disaster for the planet.

:roll:

This guy is peak mental illness

[Media Moderator]

And history will remember people on media moderator's side just as badly as they remembered them last time. But they're too stupid to realize this.

You don't know WTF you're talking about. You stand for nothing. You certainly don't have solutions or contributions. Whether the world goes left or right, up or down, people like you will be worthless slugs on the sidelines offering us nothing

[Lebron23]

Vance is stupid. His face is more punchable than Trump. I wish Zelensky challenge him to a boxing match

[Media Moderator]

the past is not lost on me, trust me. but this trump bullying ukraine into giving up their land and minerals is no better than the biden directive. and i openly criticized our involvement and "aid" of ukraine during the biden admin. doing putin's dirty legwork feels extremely wrong. also feels wrong to publicly ambush another world leader, tweet that a deal has been before it has only to apply pressure on zelensky, etc. all that sh1t is classic manipulation, and it's a textbook bullying. there's absolutely zero diplomacy in their approach, vance should shut da fukk up trying to talk how zelensky should be more diplomatic...seriously? the entire administration is a circus with no thought, appreciation, or intention of being diplomatic.



Highwey can't be taken seriously. He expects the US to watch trade deficits expand without doing anything. Watch basically unchecked illegal immigration without doing anything. Let the US be a doormat for the rest of the world without getting anything back in return. He cries like baby, and offers no solutions or compromises. He's like the worst girlfriend you can possibly have.

[Media Moderator]

Vance is stupid. His face is more punchable than Trump. I wish Zelensky challenge him to a boxing match

This guy reminds me of a growling Chihuahua

[Lebron23]

This guy reminds me of a growling Chihuahua

I'll personally surgically remove Donald Trump's dick from your butt. Did Trump gave you a job? You worthless bum

[Media Moderator]

I'll personally surgically remove Donald Trump's dick from your butt. Did Trump gave you a job? You worthless bum

Calm down baldy. I will personally go over to your hut and Anchorman Jack Black punt your ass to Taiwan

[Lebron23]

I hate Bullies. JD Vance looks like the kid who got bullied in high school and became a bully in college.

[highwhey]

I hate Bullies. JD Vance looks like the kid who got bullied in high school and became a bully in college.

yep

[highwhey]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk56IEobQAYe29_?format=jpg&name=medium

:yaohappy:

[BurningHammer]

I hate Bullies. JD Vance looks like the kid who got bullied in high school and became a bully in college.

You are tough enough to hang around in ISH, which is full of bullies. Not bad.

[BurningHammer]

So, what is the end game then? Russia just takes over the planet by threatening to suicide bomb the world?

Are you people ****ing stupid? You don’t negotiate with terrorists. Moron ****ing Trump who’s never learned foreign policy a day in his life, doesn’t understand this and is free styling the ****ing thing and treating it like it’s a shitty low level business deal. ****ing minerals.

Russia has violated so many agreements, ceasefire after ceasefire, committed countless crimes in every possible way you can imagine. There is no ****ing peace deal with them.

And if you just give them Ukraine, guess what **** nuts? They will be bordering 5 MORE NATO countries through their annexation of Ukraine. Which kind of defeats this whole bullshit argument about NATO being a ‘threat’. Their incursion is only getting closer to NATO. Realistically, Russia is blatantly an imperialistic shithole country full of weak, low character individuals(much like US conservatives), that is on a death race for world domination one way or another. And placating them for a few years, and allowing them to rebuild is a guaranteed disaster for the planet.

This. And also bad-faith trolls.

[BurningHammer]

Let's say you're right. Vance is still just the VP. Even if you hate Trump, you have to admit Zelensky was incredibly stupid to draw the ire of Trump by promising him that our country will be invaded soon. Trump was kinda just watching them both go at it up until then.

Trump never likes Zelenskyy at the first place. Remember when he tried to make Zelenskyy blackmailing Biden and failed? Seeing how Trump's 2nd term is the "Revenge Tour", Zelenskyy clearly is on the list.

It was a shakedown and Trump offered Ukraine nothing including guaranteed security for "peace" that Russia will eventually break again, they probably already knew the deal wouldn't be done.

[Media Moderator]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk56IEobQAYe29_?format=jpg&name=medium

:yaohappy:

This is rich coming from a guy that was sleeping and working with a Chinese spy :yaohappy:

He was under a House ethics probe for 2 years because of it

https://www.thetimes.com/imageserver/image/%2Fmethode%2Ftimes%2Fprod%2Fweb%2Fbin%2Fce9adb28-3a2f-11eb-9017-abc630b6062b.jpg?crop=554%2C312%2C63%2C13&resize=1200

[Lebron23]

Rep. Jake Auchincloss:
Zelensky flew into Washington, but he walked into the Kremlin.

[Overdrive]

I hope I’m wrong but I really don’t understand why a German would be watching this thinking it’s cute. If shit hits the fan, which it very well seems it is. Germany will be Russia’s end game to the war this is about to start.

Germany will be the prize. They invade Poland, terrorize Finland, and try to stomp through Romania and co, but Germany is the end game.

Germany doesn’t even have nukes. They almost certainly look to get their own arsenal at this rate. Which is almost certainly going to make the planet tremendously more dangerous.

It’s insane the regression Trump has caused geopolitically. And insane how stupid and comfortable people are taking world peace for granted.

Yeah, I also don't understand people applauding Vance for his freedom of speech tirade, while both Vance and the Trump/Vance zealots gloom over Russia where publicly saying "Putin sucks" or "There is a war in Ukraine" will get you killed.

[ArbitraryWater]

How did he "kick him out" btw?

This didnt really happen?

Anyway, still in amazement over this.


This is how we should see politicians talk with each other. Openly and authentically.

[ILLsmak]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk56IEobQAYe29_?format=jpg&name=medium

:yaohappy:

You should know that anything those people side with is bullshit, maybe even more-so than the people in congress who side with Trump. All of those dudes (and women) made a name for themselves by being ****ing clowns. I respect(ed?) Bernie, but he says some clowny shit. I think he has convictions, though.

The part that bothers me is even though I believe this is somewhat STAGED, it's an interesting historical event. It's really sad that people come down on either side of propaganda. I can't believe all the people on Reddit calling Zel a true hero, etc. It's like haha.

To me, I wish Vance hadn't interjected. Trump felt the need to get stronger because dude disrespected Vance.

Zel should have never said:

Russia did stuff in 2016 when you were pres (he wasn't pres in 2016 haha.)
You aren't doing more than Europe.
We don't compromise with killers.
We fought alone...

and that shit where he was like, "You guys will feel it, soon." I think that was the hugest land mine. Trump was actually pissed. He was red through his orange.

As for Trump, I wouldn't have pushed him. Holy shit. I wouldn't have dissed his clothes upon seeing him (they are feuding tho, not the time for petty bs,) and he could have worded stuff a lot differently. You can respond to Zel's confrontation by being real but also supportive.

They wanted that to happen for some reason. There was a lot of tension in the room. Zel was shaking even starting out. He actually looked more comfortable confronting Trump. I really do think that confronting people is never the answer. He said some super wild shit like that he thinks Russia should pay them. Trump also doesn't wanna say exactly what he's gonna do, but I do buy the argument if we got the minerals that they would be protected at least until we got them out. That would give Europe and them plenty of time to build up a force and plan.

Zel played it like he had all the power. I don't think he does. I think people are gonna cheer him on and use him to attack Trump, but I doubt even Europe supports them if we don't. It would be nice to see the EU step up and handle this themselves. Trump said what he would do. Zel didn't like it. Move on, then.

But this was BS. BS questions from reporters, instigating. Super surprised at how pissed Trump got, though. He definitely dressed a lot of people down, in his career, but he lost it in this situation. I HOPE that's because he cares. haha. I am one of those people who still kinda think Trump cares. Everyone says he doesn't, but there's just so much shit that make it seem like he does. Sure, he wants money and he might be super selfish, but he still seems to care about getting shit together. I think he realizes that it's best for everyone.

Someone else post a non meme take...!

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

This. And also bad-faith trolls.

I'm not stupid! I assume you are not, either. Post a real take.

-Smak

[iamgine]

Trump's mineral deal makes a lot of sense to me if the goal is to end the war and have lasting peace. However, it seems the deal doesn't include explicit security guarantee, just that "US would have vested interest therefore motivating them to support Ukraine's security." I can understand why Zelensky rejected this deal. If I'm to give up such a significant amount of my country's assets, it better come with concrete defense commitment from the US.

[Hey Yo]

Trump's mineral deal makes a lot of sense to me if the goal is to end the war and have lasting peace. However, it seems the deal doesn't include explicit security guarantee, just that "US would have vested interest therefore motivating them to support Ukraine's security." I can understand why Zelensky rejected this deal. If I'm to give up such a significant amount of my country's assets, it better come with concrete defense commitment from the US.

We've already given Ukraine 350bil dollars AND a lot of weapons. I'd say the U.S has given them plenty of security over the last 3yrs. Now it's time for Z to start repaying. If Trump was expecting 100% of the minerals instead of the 50% the 2 countries had agreed on, then I'd understand Z's hesitation.

[iamgine]

We've already given Ukraine 350bil dollars AND a lot of weapons. I'd say the U.S has given them plenty of security over the last 3yrs. Now it's time for Z to start repaying. If Trump was expecting 100% of the minerals instead of the 50% the 2 countries had agreed on, then I'd understand Z's hesitation.

If I were Zelensky, I'd not accept it without explicit security guarantee from the US.

[BurningHammer]

You should know that anything those people side with is bullshit, maybe even more-so than the people in congress who side with Trump. All of those dudes (and women) made a name for themselves by being ****ing clowns. I respect(ed?) Bernie, but he says some clowny shit. I think he has convictions, though.

The part that bothers me is even though I believe this is somewhat STAGED, it's an interesting historical event. It's really sad that people come down on either side of propaganda. I can't believe all the people on Reddit calling Zel a true hero, etc. It's like haha.

They could do it out of the public as many international deals did. Somebody wants to humiliate Zelenskyy to the world. There are few obvious candidates.



You aren't doing more than Europe.

Europe is doing more. Total aid US that has been allocated to Ukraine reportedly is around 100-120B Euro while Europe has spent a little more than US so far plus around $100B Euro to be allocated in the future.
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/0226/1499138-us-vs-europe-who-actually-gives-more-support-to-ukraine/



We fought alone...

Technically correct. Otherwise there would be foreign troop deployments backing up Ukraine a long time ago.



Zel played it like he had all the power. I don't think he does. I think people are gonna cheer him on and use him to attack Trump, but I doubt even Europe supports them if we don't. It would be nice to see the EU step up and handle this themselves. Trump said what he would do. Zel didn't like it. Move on, then.

I think both parties have already known the current deal would likely fell through. The whole meeting was about shaking down and humiliating Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy stood his ground and Trump and company didn't the results they really wanted.



But this was BS. BS questions from reporters, instigating. Super surprised at how pissed Trump got, though. He definitely dressed a lot of people down, in his career, but he lost it in this situation. I HOPE that's because he cares. haha. I am one of those people who still kinda think Trump cares. Everyone says he doesn't, but there's just so much shit that make it seem like he does. Sure, he wants money and he might be super selfish, but he still seems to care about getting shit together. I think he realizes that it's best for everyone.

He only cares people who either are loyal to him or pay him. That's it. Cutting essential fed services definitely is not best for every Americans, for one.

[highwhey]

i know the american people want to back their president in this kerfuffle, but let's just be honest....vance is inbred. Zelensky opened the meeting by thanking Trump, 30 mins later, Vance (Inbred VP), escalates by asking if Zlensky has thanked America in an accusatory tone. sheesh.

[warriorfan]

i know the american people want to back their president in this kerfuffle, but let's just be honest....vance is inbred. Zelensky opened the meeting by thanking Trump, 30 mins later, Vance (Inbred VP), escalates by asking if Zlensky has thanked America in an accusatory tone. sheesh.

You are literally shorter, fatter, and dumber than JD Vance.

[ILLsmak]

They could do it out of the public as many international deals did. Somebody wants to humiliate Zelenskyy to the world. There are few obvious candidates.


Europe is doing more. Total aid US that has been allocated to Ukraine reportedly is around 100-120B Euro while Europe has spent a little more than US so far plus around $100B Euro to be allocated in the future.
https://www.rte.ie/news/primetime/2025/0226/1499138-us-vs-europe-who-actually-gives-more-support-to-ukraine/


Technically correct. Otherwise there would be foreign troop deployments backing up Ukraine a long time ago.


I think both parties have already known the current deal would likely fell through. The whole meeting was about shaking down and humiliating Zelenskyy. Zelenskyy stood his ground and Trump and company didn't the results they really wanted.


He only cares people who either are loyal to him or pay him. That's it. Cutting essential fed services definitely is not best for every Americans, for one.

I feel like Zelensky was the one who went there first. He was shaking in the beginning like he was already pissed. Maybe they already had words.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1536/cpsprodpb/444f/live/d85ab0a0-f45e-11ef-896e-d7e7fb1719a4.png.webp

I dunno who to believe about the money number, either. Everyone is lying as far as I am concerned. Maybe it's equal, then, or close, but what do you say about the difference in loan amount?

Also, I was in shock (even tho like I said I think it was theater,) somewhat after watching that shit, but the more I think about it, the more I think that Zel really was being a dickwad. You can say shit should be equal, but it's not. He is coming here to ask a favor and basically implied that if we don't help him that we are gonna feel the consequences. And that was when Trump was like FOH. It probably is true, to be fair, but you don't rile people like that.

Seems like the mineral deal was never going to be signed at that event, and I imagine they will come together and do SOMETHING by the end of weekend, but if they don't... I guess it's whatever.

Again, you don't go in and say we were there alone when we gave them the weapons and probably intel. You don't go in and say we didn't do more than Europe. It's just bad diplomacy, despite what the facts are. You can be gracious. Trump is a hard ass, but Zel should have known how it was gonna go down. I think this was all a scheme, but I can't figure out if it was by Trump or by Zel's bros. There are two camps. Maybe they both did performances. You got all the Democrats + EU, then you got the Republicans and (probably?) Americans. I think everyone wants a positive outcome, but Zel is wiling if he thinks that Putin is gonna like apologize and pay him and give him his land back. Haha. It's like you grab someone by their shirt and drag them in after beating your kid's ass. You could be like APOLOGIZE and such, but more likely, you'd just say stop it... don't do it again. Putin will get his punishment over time.

If I haven't already said it, I really think Russia grows stronger during war, so it's just bad look over all. We shall see.

Edit: Zel also said Putin was using ballistic missiles while they were there as proof that he didn't want the war to stop, but I think that he is probably doing it to encourage them to stop the war haha. It depends on your viewpoint.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

i know the american people want to back their president in this kerfuffle, but let's just be honest....vance is inbred. Zelensky opened the meeting by thanking Trump, 30 mins later, Vance (Inbred VP), escalates by asking if Zlensky has thanked America in an accusatory tone. sheesh.

I am impressed with his speaking during the campaign / debates, but yeah, he bothers me. He's not genuine. He's a plant imo. He probably will be the next pres and all sort of wild shit will happen, but that's just not the time to interject yourself. Trump was already going in on him. Even Trump looked like he was wishing Vance would shut up. He made it a lot harder.

Trump loves the raw earth.

-Smak

[BurningHammer]

I am impressed with his speaking during the campaign / debates, but yeah, he bothers me. He's not genuine. He's a plant imo. He probably will be the next pres and all sort of wild shit will happen, but that's just not the time to interject yourself. Trump was already going in on him. Even Trump looked like he was wishing Vance would shut up. He made it a lot harder.

Trump loves the raw earth.

-Smak

I think those behind Vance, Musk and Thiel in particular, are trying to make Vance more "likable" just in case Trump croaks during his term. Vance is no Trump and has none of Trump's "charisma".

Also, it's not Trump that really loves rare earths. Musk and Thiel do. Both have invested a lot in businesses that need those rare earths (Tesla, SpaceX, Palantir, etc) and would rather not buying them from China.

[brownmamba00]

We've already given Ukraine 350bil dollars AND a lot of weapons. I'd say the U.S has given them plenty of security over the last 3yrs. Now it's time for Z to start repaying. If Trump was expecting 100% of the minerals instead of the 50% the 2 countries had agreed on, then I'd understand Z's hesitation.

you're kidding yourself if you think the US just gifted Ukraine 350 billion dollars.

The Trump admin wants Zelensky gone its that simple. Considering the Europeans are too weak to handle this, at some point Ukraine will fall with or without Zelensky.

[ILLsmak]

you're kidding yourself if you think the US just gifted Ukraine 350 billion dollars.

The Trump admin wants Zelensky gone its that simple. Considering the Europeans are too weak to handle this, at some point Ukraine will fall with or without Zelensky.

At some point being... in the future, years maybe. I think we will keep them afloat if they align with us, but we are gonna put them to work (take their ore like a real time strategy game.)

Zel's problem is he thinks Russia is gonna give his shit back. It's just not gonna happen. I don't even think we could pressure Russia to give it back. I think if it were an option, it would have happened. If it were an option, they probably wouldn't have invaded.

We benefit from being in Ukraine as well, as a strategic base. I dunno why people think we are allied with Russia, but we're not haha. People on Reddit saying shit like we are gonna switch sides in the war. ****in ay.

Also, google JD without a beard lol wew. Here's a sample https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjd-vance-beardless-v0-bqpl4vwozxgd1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1347a051fccc b459417ece61718fb0120cb4e54a

-Smak

[Lakers Legend#32]

How did he "kick him out" btw?

This didnt really happen?

Anyway, still in amazement over this.


This is how we should see politicians talk with each other. Openly and authentically.

A MAGA started this thread.

He knew what a debacle this was for Trump and the country so he had to spin it in Fat Donny's favor.

[highwhey]

At some point being... in the future, years maybe. I think we will keep them afloat if they align with us, but we are gonna put them to work (take their ore like a real time strategy game.)

Zel's problem is he thinks Russia is gonna give his shit back. It's just not gonna happen. I don't even think we could pressure Russia to give it back. I think if it were an option, it would have happened. If it were an option, they probably wouldn't have invaded.

We benefit from being in Ukraine as well, as a strategic base. I dunno why people think we are allied with Russia, but we're not haha. People on Reddit saying shit like we are gonna switch sides in the war. ****in ay.

Also, google JD without a beard lol wew. Here's a sample https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjd-vance-beardless-v0-bqpl4vwozxgd1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1347a051fccc b459417ece61718fb0120cb4e54a

-Smak

UMMM...have you kept up with the news? Trump is negotiating on behalf of russia.

but as always, there's a distraction (like a shouting match between zelensky and trump that trump orchestrated) and simultaneously, there's shady ass shit that they try to keep hidden like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-russia-hacking-cyber-security

and in case you think the russia cyberattack threats were made up and only targeted by liberals, the UN has considered russia a serious threat for cyber attacks for some time now. but trump is being extra friendly...

[brownmamba00]

At some point being... in the future, years maybe. I think we will keep them afloat if they align with us, but we are gonna put them to work (take their ore like a real time strategy game.)

Zel's problem is he thinks Russia is gonna give his shit back. It's just not gonna happen. I don't even think we could pressure Russia to give it back. I think if it were an option, it would have happened. If it were an option, they probably wouldn't have invaded.

We benefit from being in Ukraine as well, as a strategic base. I dunno why people think we are allied with Russia, but we're not haha. People on Reddit saying shit like we are gonna switch sides in the war. ****in ay.

Also, google JD without a beard lol wew. Here's a sample https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fjd-vance-beardless-v0-bqpl4vwozxgd1.png%3Fauto%3Dwebp%26s%3D1347a051fccc b459417ece61718fb0120cb4e54a

-Smak

The Russians fired 11,000 rockets at Ukraine this past year alone. Ukraine been fighting a defensive war for 3 years now against a much bigger country. Their situation is dire. I doubt Zelensky thinks he can get back Crimea.

The Europeans don't have the will or the hardware to put up a fight against Putin. This won't take long.

Either someone takes up the space that US will leave behind or the Russians will have an open buffet in the Baltics and Caucasia (Georgia).

[ArbitraryWater]

A MAGA started this thread.

He knew what a debacle this was for Trump and the country so he had to spin it in Fat Donny's favor.


https://i.gyazo.com/ea4fac24c647e4a5de607563680f84f4.png

[diamenz]

https://i.gyazo.com/ea4fac24c647e4a5de607563680f84f4.png

crotch shots were unnecessary bro.

[JohnnySic]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk69xn_bQAEojdd?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk6_AwoW4AAjxnh?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk9e_D0XwAAQuMz?format=jpg&name=small

[Jasper]

z you get to live ..

Trump you get minerals from Z

Putin - you get 3 trillion from USA (don't say anything to USA)

Trump you look like a genius , Putin looks like a good guy, Z your alive.

Well done.

[CeltsGarlic]

I am impressed with his speaking during the campaign / debates, but yeah, he bothers me. He's not genuine. He's a plant imo. He probably will be the next pres and all sort of wild shit will happen, but that's just not the time to interject yourself. Trump was already going in on him. Even Trump looked like he was wishing Vance would shut up. He made it a lot harder.

Trump loves the raw earth.

-Smak

Bro its legit written on his face and he has history to match it lol

[Doomsday Dallas]

"what if a bomb drops on your head"

best Trump line of all time... he's had some good quotes over the years... but that one was genius.

[highwhey]

"what if a bomb drops on your head"

best Trump line of all time... he's had some good quotes over the years... but that one was genius.

nah, big Z had the better one liners

Trump: “You don’t have strong cards.”

Zelensky: “I didn’t come here to play cards.”


and

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/1j0l2g7/zelensky_i_will_wear_a_costume_after_this_war/?utm_source=embedv2&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_content=whitespace

both of these instances demonstrate how trump brought all his homies to gang up on Z and try to bully him into helping Putin. Big Z stood his ground though and came out with his chest puffed out while Trump looked like the typical nepo baby that needs an army of colleagues and lawyers to do his bidding.

Putin must have some damning evidence on Trump :oldlol:

[StickyWice]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk69xn_bQAEojdd?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk6_AwoW4AAjxnh?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gk9e_D0XwAAQuMz?format=jpg&name=small

Hahah he kick out like he Mexican

[StickyWice]

"what if a bomb drops on your head"

best Trump line of all time... he's had some good quotes over the years... but that one was genius.

He lucky Russia do not use bigger war. He forget Russia have bigger weapon?

Ukraine army bigger than mexicos and they still losing so sad. They peepol fight strong and hard. Mexicans in same position turn sideways and roll to us border for help from white peepol

[Doomsday Dallas]

I want to know what Zelensky thinks the USA is going to feel... he was interrupted.

what was he going to say? We will feel influence? What is the USA going to feel?

Felt like Zelensky was going to drop a truth bomb there and he was stopped.


https://youtu.be/vqm2d2i_bVA


He says we have "Nice Ocean" not "No Solution"... meaning the ocean keeps us away from the war... but we will feel it in the future?

hmmmmm.

idk... seems like Zelensky thinks war is headed our way, or that's what he was implying.



Trump immediately put an end to that talk of what we are going to feel and interrupted him... should have let him keep talking.

[diamenz]

I want to know what Zelensky thinks the USA is going to feel... he was interrupted.

what was he going to say? We will feel influence? What is the USA going to feel?

Felt like Zelensky was going to drop a truth bomb there and he was stopped.


https://youtu.be/vqm2d2i_bVA


He says we have "Nice Ocean" not "No Solution"... meaning the ocean keeps us away from the war... but we will feel it in the future?

hmmmmm.

idk... seems like Zelensky thinks war is headed our way, or that's what he was implying.



Trump immediately put an end to that talk of what we are going to feel and interrupted him... should have let him keep talking.

that's what z's been indoctrinated to believe by his puppet masters. *uck em - ukraine is their cross to bear now.

btw - that was trump standing up for the well being of our country. zelensky insisting at the white house on live tv that russia will be on our doorstep in the future if we don't back ukraine... the dude should have been punched in his face for saying some shit like that. dude should take a hint... when you're billions of $ in debt to another country and depend on them for your survival you outta show some respect and gratitude or at least show up in a suit ffs.

[highwhey]

I want to know what Zelensky thinks the USA is going to feel... he was interrupted.

what was he going to say? We will feel influence? What is the USA going to feel?

Felt like Zelensky was going to drop a truth bomb there and he was stopped.


https://youtu.be/vqm2d2i_bVA


He says we have "Nice Ocean" not "No Solution"... meaning the ocean keeps us away from the war... but we will feel it in the future?

hmmmmm.

idk... seems like Zelensky thinks war is headed our way, or that's what he was implying.



Trump immediately put an end to that talk of what we are going to feel and interrupted him... should have let him keep talking.

trump took it personally when he said that, but to me it sounded more like you can find yourself in a situation similar to ours very quickly. i think trump saw it as a direct threat but it was more of a reality check from big Z (easily packing a 10 incher). i can see how it sounded nefarious and almost like a veiled threat...but the one thing vance (packing a 2 incher) and trump (3") missed, is this is not Z's first language LOL. and foreigners tend to be more direct vs sugar coating everything so they can sound brute at times when they're just expressing factual statements.

[highwhey]

that's what z's been indoctrinated to believe by his puppet masters. *uck em - ukraine is their cross to bear now.

btw - that was trump standing up for the well being of our country. zelensky insisting at the white house on live tv that russia will be on our doorstep in the future if we don't back ukraine... the dude should have been punched in his face for saying some shit like that. dude should take a hint... when you're billions of $ in debt to another country and depend on them for your survival you outta show some respect and gratitude or at least show up in a suit ffs.

jeeze dude, when did you become a paid russian agent?

it was russia who cut that under sea cable off the alaskan coast.

it was russia that has been trying to interfere with american elections for a decade or more.

it has been russia demonstrating military aggression towards our military (via sea and air).

and big Z (10 incher) opened the meeting by thanking Trump. you got duped by inbred vance.

so much for being unbiased. i think you smoke so much weed you forget which stance you are straddling for the day.

[diamenz]

jeeze dude, when did you become a paid russian agent?

it was russia who cut that under sea cable off the alaskan coast.

it was russia that has been trying to interfere with american elections for a decade or more.

it has been russia demonstrating military aggression towards our military (via sea and air).

and big Z (10 incher) opened the meeting by thanking Trump. you got duped by inbred vance.

so much for being unbiased. i think you smoke so much weed you forget which stance you are straddling for the day.

i don't know what you're talking about. i've been on the side of ending this conflict since the failed 2022 counter offensive. it couldn't be any more clear how over this shit is. ukraine is a comatose heart patient. us giving it a haircut and a shave every so often isn't going to change the outcome.

but you'll see. more ukrainians will die (and now it's looking like european troops will as well) and more billions will be spent for this fool's errand. fortunately it will be europe holding the bag now.

[highwhey]

i don't know what you're talking about. i've been on the side of ending this conflict since the failed 2022 counter offensive. it couldn't be any more clear how over this shit is. ukraine is a comatose heart patient. us giving it a haircut and a shave every so often isn't going to change the outcome.

but you'll see. more ukrainians will die (and now it's looking like european troops will as well) and more billions will be spent for this fool's errand. fortunately it will be europe holding the bag now.

:oldlol: this is about peace? excellent deflection btw, zero acknowledgement by you on russias recent aggression to the US. just keep reiterating "BuT RUSsia hasN'T shOWN anY aMBItionS beyOND Ukraine"

sanctions being lifted from russia are the next logical step. amazing how trump is managing to help them win a war, grow their wealth and strengthen their geopolitical presence in 6 weeks but has managed to accelerate the inflation growth, increase unemployment and weaken our government overall while fast tracking a recession in America.

so much for america first.

[diamenz]

:oldlol: this is about peace? excellent deflection btw, zero acknowledgement by you on russias recent aggression to the US. just keep reiterating "BuT RUSsia hasN'T shOWN anY aMBItionS beyOND Ukraine"

sanctions being lifted from russia are the next logical step. amazing how trump is managing to help them win a war, grow their wealth and strengthen their geopolitical presence in 6 weeks but has managed to accelerate the inflation growth, increase unemployment and weaken our government overall while fast tracking a recession in America.

so much for america first.

if we pulled out of this, as i already called it, a fool's errand and normalized our relations with russia we would have nothing at all to worry about. so yes, in effect that would indeed be america first. that's the way i look at it, so don't get it twisted.

you voted for this. you have no right to complain if you're unhappy.

[highwhey]

if we pulled out of this, as i already called it, a fool's errand and normalized our relations with russia we would have nothing at all to worry about. so yes, in effect that would indeed be america first. that's the way i look at it, so don't get it twisted.

you voted for this. you have no right to complain if you're unhappy.

that's the lamest line of logic ever. in 4 years, or 8, but most likely 4 after this disaster, a liberal administration will rescind all friendly talks and acts to russia. and back to square 1 or worse. i'd bet a lot of money that trump will do his best to have a 3rd term, he won't succeed but he'll try and cause a lot of chaos while doing so.

i absolutely have a right to complain, trump has not followed through on any of his economic growth plans. everything he says and does has worsened the economy with no light at the end of the tunnel. his followers, primarily blue collar, will soon get fed up. his approval rating will reflect that.

[Media Moderator]

but has managed to accelerate the inflation growth, increase unemployment and weaken our government overall while fast tracking a recession in America.

so much for america first.

WTF are you talking about. Unemployment dipped slightly and inflation has cooled slightly with the stats that have been released since Trump took office. Illegal immigration is way down. Get away from the Tik Tok "stats". Between Lakers Legend on Twitter "facts" and you on Tik Tok "stats", the collective brain rot between the 2 of you is beginning to get scary

[diamenz]

that's the lamest line of logic ever. in 4 years, or 8, but most likely 4 after this disaster, a liberal administration will rescind all friendly talks and acts to russia. and back to square 1 or worse. i'd bet a lot of money that trump will do his best to have a 3rd term, he won't succeed but he'll try and cause a lot of chaos while doing so.

i absolutely have a right to complain, trump has not followed through on any of his economic growth plans. everything he says and does has worsened the economy with no light at the end of the tunnel. his followers, primarily blue collar, will soon get fed up. his approval rating will reflect that.

im behind trump on his foreign policy sans israel. on the other hand i'm with you on the domestic side. not a fan of tariffs, not a fan of corporate tax cuts and if the republicans in congress have their way, definitely not a fan of social safety net cuts.

[highwhey]

WTF are you talking about. Unemployment dipped slightly and inflation has cooled slightly with the stats that have been released since Trump took office. Illegal immigration is way down. Get away from the Tik Tok "stats". Between Lakers Legend on Twitter "facts" and you on Tik Tok "stats", the collective brain rot between the 2 of you is beginning to get scary

none of what i have spoken has been derived from tik tok or social media.

and the tariff talks have caused so much uncertainty that investors are holding back on spending. new projects are not moving forward.

trump can't help himself, he just needs to stfu instead of yapping on and on about tariffs.

[RRR3]

im behind trump on his foreign policy sans israel. on the other hand i'm with you on the domestic side. not a fan of tariffs, not a fan of corporate tax cuts and if the republicans in congress have their way, definitely not a fan of social safety net cuts.
Ukraine is literally in the same situation as Palestine they just are getting weapons from a different imperial power, your inability to think critically is astounding. I know I know the Dems said support Ukraine so it's automatically wrong :rolleyes:

[86Celtics]

i don't know what you're talking about. i've been on the side of ending this conflict since the failed 2022 counter offensive. it couldn't be any more clear how over this shit is. ukraine is a comatose heart patient. us giving it a haircut and a shave every so often isn't going to change the outcome.

but you'll see. more ukrainians will die (and now it's looking like european troops will as well) and more billions will be spent for this fool's errand. fortunately it will be europe holding the bag now.

Russian forces were supposed to be in Kyiv within 72 hours. 3 years later, they are making little progress relatively, having suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and enormous material losses against a poorly equipped opponent. Had it not been for Trump ordering his cronies to block the aid for 8 months, they wouldn't even have their current territorial gains. A fully supplied Ukraine without the idiotic restrictions would have forced Putin to back down by now. He is facing severe problems even now: https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/14/russia-war-putin-economy-weapons-production-labor-shortage-demographics/

Russia's army is not the unstoppable juggernaut, you believe. If anything its performance is closer to a paper tiger. It's winning by sheer numbers. The fact that it's using Iranian drones and N. Korean infantry and missiles says it all.

The US and Europe were absolutely right to support Ukraine. It could have ended Putin's threat once and for all. Instead, it has been shamefully betrayed by its biggest ally.

[ILLsmak]

Russian forces were supposed to be in Kyiv within 72 hours. 3 years later, they are making little progress relatively, having suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and enormous material losses against a poorly equipped opponent. Had it not been for Trump ordering his cronies to block the aid for 8 months, they wouldn't even have their current territorial gains. A fully supplied Ukraine without the idiotic restrictions would have forced Putin to back down by now. He is facing severe problems even now: https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/14/russia-war-putin-economy-weapons-production-labor-shortage-demographics/

Russia's army is not the unstoppable juggernaut, you believe. If anything its performance is closer to a paper tiger. It's winning by sheer numbers. The fact that it's using Iranian drones and N. Korean infantry and missiles says it all.

The US and Europe were absolutely right to support Ukraine. It could have ended Putin's threat once and for all. Instead, it has been shamefully betrayed by its biggest ally.

Russia gets stronger w/ war. It's bad mojo. lol paper tiger. Russia is nutso. They might be the number one country we don't wanna **** w/ cuz they would probably use a nuke if it came down to it. Everyone else who might has way too much to lose (like china.)

-Smak

[ArbitraryWater]

Ukraine is literally in the same situation as Palestine they just are getting weapons from a different imperial power, your inability to think critically is astounding. I know I know the Dems said support Ukraine so it's automatically wrong :rolleyes:

Except corruption is rampant in Ukraine, its filled with Nazis, and Ukraine/Zelensky is rejecting peace talks.

Nice try.

[Axe]

He should swap roles with netanyahu if he desperately wants all his wishes to be granted.

[Hey Yo]

How did he "kick him out" btw?

This didnt really happen?

Anyway, still in amazement over this.


This is how we should see politicians talk with each other. Openly and authentically.
When the cameras stopped rolling, Z was seen leaving the White House shortly after due to Trump telling him to GTFO

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWCbE2qKBZE

Look who's running back. :oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Zelensky > :bowdown: :bowdown: :bowdown:

[diamenz]

Russian forces were supposed to be in Kyiv within 72 hours. 3 years later, they are making little progress relatively, having suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and enormous material losses against a poorly equipped opponent. Had it not been for Trump ordering his cronies to block the aid for 8 months, they wouldn't even have their current territorial gains. A fully supplied Ukraine without the idiotic restrictions would have forced Putin to back down by now. He is facing severe problems even now: https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/11/14/russia-war-putin-economy-weapons-production-labor-shortage-demographics/

Russia's army is not the unstoppable juggernaut, you believe. If anything its performance is closer to a paper tiger. It's winning by sheer numbers. The fact that it's using Iranian drones and N. Korean infantry and missiles says it all.

The US and Europe were absolutely right to support Ukraine. It could have ended Putin's threat once and for all. Instead, it has been shamefully betrayed by its biggest ally.

so call it a war of attrition. call it whatever you want - it doesn't change the inevitable outcome. juggernaut or paper tiger - you're not beating a nuclear power that sees this conflict as existential, short of sparking off ww3. the continuation of this blank mission isn't good for anyone - not the people/country of ukraine, not for the us or europe and certainly not for the security of the world.

"make peace, you fools"!

[Gudo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWCbE2qKBZE

Look who's running back. :oldlol:

They do need help. Even Zelenskyy acknowledges that. Everyone knows that. Only Trump and Vance can kick someone who is already down.

[Gudo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWCbE2qKBZE

Look who's running back. :oldlol:

They do need help. Even Zelenskyy acknowledges that. Everyone knows that. Only Trump and Vance can kick someone who is already down.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DWCbE2qKBZE

Look who's running back. :oldlol:

The Art of the Deal

[jstern]

I want to know what Zelensky thinks the USA is going to feel... he was interrupted.

what was he going to say? We will feel influence? What is the USA going to feel?

Felt like Zelensky was going to drop a truth bomb there and he was stopped.


https://youtu.be/vqm2d2i_bVA


He says we have "Nice Ocean" not "No Solution"... meaning the ocean keeps us away from the war... but we will feel it in the future?

hmmmmm.

idk... seems like Zelensky thinks war is headed our way, or that's what he was implying.



Trump immediately put an end to that talk of what we are going to feel and interrupted him... should have let him keep talking.

Zelensky, overwhelmed in a pressure moment, defaulted to the propaganda talking point, for the Blade, RRR3 types, that we must send more money to Ukraine so that we won't have to fight Putin in our soil. Putin's ambitions won't stop at Ukraine. "If the West doesn’t give us the tools and funds to finish this war, you'll see Russian troops closer to your borders, and then it's your problem."

[Hey Yo]

From earlier today...doesn't sound like Z's ready for peace.


A deal to end the war between Ukraine and Russia “is still very, very far away,” Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy said, adding that he believed Ukraine’s long-term partnership with the U.S. was strong enough that American support would continue despite recent fraught relations with U.S. President Donald Trump.

“I think our relationship (with the U.S.) will continue, because it’s more than an occasional relationship,” Zelenskyy said late Sunday, referring to Washington’s support for the past three years of war

.“I believe that Ukraine has a strong enough partnership with the United States of America” to keep aid flowing, he said at a briefing in Ukrainian before leaving London

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-zelenskyy-starmer-trump-b025877c40ffe0ddf2a92adad1715231

[ILLsmak]

Zel needs to share his plausible plans to get back the territory without direct involvement from US. If he can, good on em. It helps us. We still want minerals, but I am sure we can pay more for a goal. The problem is that there doesn’t seem to be a scenario where they get stuff back beyond us forcing Putin to give it back. Could we do that, maybe, but it’s a risk.

He + Europe should design a plan and let us know what they need from us, in wep and money. Then he can put up the minerals which have a lot more value than our fake money and old weapons, and we can move on.

Apart from that, we need to peace asap.

-Smak

[highwhey]

interesting how MAGA's are all about peace when it comes to Ukraine but you won't hear them calling for peace in the Israeli-Gaza conflict...as a matter of a fact, Trump has fast tracked a multi billion dollar arms sale to Israel so they can keep killing innocent children and women.

[highwhey]

https://i.ibb.co/NdMZLkWs/IMG-0498.jpg
Big Z called Vance a b1tch in russian during vance's meltdown https://x.com/AutismCapital/status/1895564283284787202?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1895564283284787202%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
:yaohappy:
:yaohappy:
:yaohappy::yaohappy:

[diamenz]

Trump has fast tracked a multi billion dollar arms sale to Israel so they can keep killing innocent children and women.

bypassing congress, yup just saw that.

[highwhey]

bypassing congress, yup just saw that.

there's a pattern forming here where he's just doing everything on his own accord and circumventing the checks and balances that are there for a reason. vastly different from his 1st term. it's the reason why i truly believe he will try to remain in power for a 3rd term...guy is slowly trying to transition to a dictatorship, but the maga sheep refuse to believe it because if trump says the sky is red, they will believe it's red even if it's blue.

[diamenz]

there's a pattern forming here where he's just doing everything on his own accord and circumventing the checks and balances that are there for a reason. vastly different from his 1st term. it's the reason why i truly believe he will try to remain in power for a 3rd term...guy is slowly trying to transition to a dictatorship, but the maga sheep refuse to believe it because if trump says the sky is red, they will believe it's red even if it's blue.

i wouldn't go that far. biden did the same thing at least twice. it's the lobby at work.

[highwhey]

i wouldn't go that far. biden did the same thing at least twice. it's the lobby at work.

biden never call himself a king or circumvent the senate to form a government agency to fire half the federal workforce. you know elon's fggt ass would never be confirmed.

[Hey Yo]

interesting how MAGA's are all about peace when it comes to Ukraine but you won't hear them calling for peace in the Israeli-Gaza conflict...as a matter of a fact, Trump has fast tracked a multi billion dollar arms sale to Israel so they can keep killing innocent children and women.
You're Maga, dummy

[ILLsmak]

there's a pattern forming here where he's just doing everything on his own accord and circumventing the checks and balances that are there for a reason. vastly different from his 1st term. it's the reason why i truly believe he will try to remain in power for a 3rd term...guy is slowly trying to transition to a dictatorship, but the maga sheep refuse to believe it because if trump says the sky is red, they will believe it's red even if it's blue.

More likely Trump gets killed than serves a 3rd teem. It hasn’t even been that long since he got in office.

-Smak

[highwhey]

https://i.postimg.cc/cLznSc2m/image.png

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://i.postimg.cc/cLznSc2m/image.png

yes, please take out the West Coast.

if they hadn't gone full retard... Trump wouldn't have gotten reelected....

everything can be blamed on California when it is all said and done.

[Axe]

https://live-production.wcms.abc-cdn.net.au/9c2dc65e21c12911d51f1fed597953d7?impolicy=wcms_cro p_resize&cropH=576&cropW=1024&xPos=0&yPos=0&width=862&height=485 (https://amp.abc.net.au/article/105007528)

[Doomsday Dallas]

I want to know what Zelensky thinks the USA is going to feel... he was interrupted.

what was he going to say? We will feel influence? What is the USA going to feel?

Felt like Zelensky was going to drop a truth bomb there and he was stopped.


https://youtu.be/vqm2d2i_bVA


He says we have "Nice Ocean" not "No Solution"... meaning the ocean keeps us away from the war... but we will feel it in the future?

hmmmmm.

idk... seems like Zelensky thinks war is headed our way, or that's what he was implying.



Trump immediately put an end to that talk of what we are going to feel and interrupted him... should have let him keep talking.







https://media.tenor.com/kPUjaQpRwUsAAAAM/well-there-it-is.gif

https://x.com/RealAlexJones/status/1896267384153161880

https://media.tenor.com/5rLckQ0dh58AAAAM/thats-it-yes-thats-it.gif

[highwhey]

yes, please take out the West Coast.

if they hadn't gone full retard... Trump wouldn't have gotten reelected....

everything can be blamed on California when it is all said and done.

that impact in the south is arizona, and it's not deadcenter phoenix but like an hour west of phoenix where there's a nuclear power plant https://www.thecoli.com/styles/default/xenforo/smilies/gucci3.png

[warriorfan]

Zelensky, overwhelmed in a pressure moment, defaulted to the propaganda talking point, for the Blade, RRR3 types, that we must send more money to Ukraine so that we won't have to fight Putin in our soil. Putin's ambitions won't stop at Ukraine. "If the West doesn’t give us the tools and funds to finish this war, you'll see Russian troops closer to your borders, and then it's your problem."

:roll:

[86Celtics]

I'm rather surprised that it took them a month to manufacture an excuse to stop the aid. MAGA can cheer and celebrate all they want but this isn't about making peace. This is about forcing Ukraine to capitulate and provide Putin a cart blanche in Europe.

Trump's pettiness, callousness and outright viciousness never cease to amaze and disgust though.

[86Celtics]

so call it a war of attrition. call it whatever you want - it doesn't change the inevitable outcome. juggernaut or paper tiger - you're not beating a nuclear power that sees this conflict as existential, short of sparking off ww3. the continuation of this blank mission isn't good for anyone - not the people/country of ukraine, not for the us or europe and certainly not for the security of the world.

"make peace, you fools"!

A peace without actual security guarantees is worthless. And Putin may claim that this is existential but that's part of his rhetoric to bully Ukraine and Europe into giving him what he wants. He can't change the reality on the front. And that's that Ukraine was and is bleeding his army dry with only a fraction of the required supplies. He has also threatened with using tactical nuclear warheads a dozen times by now. He hasn't done so and won't because he isn't that crazy.

His economy is hurting, his losses are mounting. Sooner or later, he would have been forced to negotiate and come to terms with his failure. But then Trump came into power and saved him.

[Overdrive]

I don't know how some of you can be so happy about appeasing to a dictator. That didn't work out the last time. Appeasing to some imperialistic psycho duce will lead to further war. It did in the past and it will do in the present and future. One time Putin will cross the line. This dude won't stop barring his death.

Same for applauding Trump to readily give up ties to Europe. You think appeasing to Putin will give the US a position of power against China? The current admin is turning your economy to shit so Trump can please his dear master. If this doesn't magically turn around China will stomp you in a few years. But hey, atleast you got some libs angry.

[Gudo]

Trump breaking up the West better and faster than Putin could have done it

[diamenz]

https://i.ibb.co/6JWSYHmj/IMG-20250301-193005-898.jpg

[highwhey]

Trump breaking up the West better and faster than Putin could have done it

the 80's KGB would be proud. Putin took the whitehouse without firing a single shot.

[highwhey]

HAVE YOU SAID THANK YOU ONCE?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlJa1ImXcAAfbza?format=jpg&name=900x900

[diamenz]

HAVE YOU SAID THANK YOU ONCE?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlJa1ImXcAAfbza?format=jpg&name=900x900

:lol

[warriorfan]

HAVE YOU SAID THANK YOU ONCE?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlJa1ImXcAAfbza?format=jpg&name=900x900

They photoshopped JD Vance to look like highwhey :roll:

That’s amazing

[Lebron23]

HAVE YOU SAID THANK YOU ONCE?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GlJa1ImXcAAfbza?format=jpg&name=900x900

The most punchable face in US Politics

[ILLsmak]

https://i.ibb.co/6JWSYHmj/IMG-20250301-193005-898.jpg

haha

-Smak

[highwhey]

The most punchable face in US Politics

for sure

[86Celtics]

https://x.com/arnocast/status/1898080789088334124

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/03/07/donald-trump-considers-pulling-troops-out-of-germany/

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJS8sPr23q0

[86Celtics]

https://www.mediamatters.org/trumprussia/rights-decade-long-lurch-toward-vladimir-putins-russia

[TheMan]

https://i.postimg.cc/cLznSc2m/image.png

Lol

Russia are our friends...MAGA :roll:

[86Celtics]

Another despicable and vile move: https://newrepublic.com/article/192790/trump-kidnapped-ukrainian-kids-nixed-contract

Putin's whore.