View Full Version : Confirmed.... Kyrie out for the season.
Hey Yo
03-04-2025, 11:59 AM
Breaking: Dallas Mavericks All-Star Kyrie Irving has suffered a season-ending torn ACL in his left knee, sources tell ESPN.
SouBeachTalents
03-04-2025, 12:04 PM
I said it in another thread, but it genuinely feels like we're living through the Curse of the Bambino of the 21st century. That trade happened literally a month ago and since then
AD gets hurt his first game
Kyrie tears his ACL
The Lakers have become the hottest team in the league
That's not even mentioning several other of their key players are currently out injured too
That's a lot of freaky shit to happen, even with two guys as injury prone as those two are, in one months time.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 12:12 PM
I know it won't make Mavs fans feel any better but IMO this Kyrie injury would completely derail them even if Luka wasn't traded. With Kyrie out this year and possibly all of next year too, the Mavs aren't making any noise in the playoffs. What are the odds that Luka would even re-sign in 2026? I'd say slim to none. We also don't know this publicly but I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Luka was traded in the first place because he told the organization that he's leaving next year and they wanted to get something for him.
1987_Lakers
03-04-2025, 12:16 PM
I know it won't make Mavs fans feel any better but IMO this Kyrie injury would completely derail them even if Luka wasn't traded. With Kyrie out this year and possibly all of next year too, the Mavs aren't making any noise in the playoffs. What are the odds that Luka would even re-sign in 2026? I'd say slim to none. We also don't know this publicly but I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Luka was traded in the first place because he told the organization that he's leaving next year and they wanted to get something for him.
If Luka doesn't get traded, Kyrie probably wouldn't have the ball in that situation. Too many scenarios for one to think like this. :lol
And Luka has come out and said that he never told the Mavs that he is leaving. You could tell Luka was heartbroken when he got traded.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 12:25 PM
If Luka doesn't get traded, Kyrie probably wouldn't have the ball in that situation. Too many scenarios for one to think like this. :lol
And Luka has come out and said that he never told the Mavs that he is leaving. You could tell Luka was heartbroken when he got traded.
What Luka said and what is reality can be two different things. He always cared about his image.
Anyways we'll never know for sure but you better believe that one of the best players in the world is likely to leave at the end of his contract if his #2 guy is missing lots of time with an ACL injury and he's getting bounced in early rounds. Especially if he can go to LA and make a ton of endorsement money to offset losing the supermax.
1987_Lakers
03-04-2025, 12:32 PM
He had just bought a house in Dallas and looked visibly shaken at the Lakers first presser.
People saying Luka would have left was first introduced by the Mavs organization for PR reasons.
ArbitraryWater
03-04-2025, 12:35 PM
He had just bought a house in Dallas and looked visibly shaken at the Lakers first presser.
People saying Luka would have left was first introduced by the Mavs organization for PR reasons.
This. Obviously.
luka was all about Dallas.
The rest is Mavs org PR crap
dankok8
03-04-2025, 12:39 PM
He had just bought a house in Dallas and looked visibly shaken at the Lakers first presser.
People saying Luka would have left was first introduced by the Mavs organization for PR reasons.
Of course it came as a shock because that's the sudden nature of the business. That doesn't mean that Luka was somehow indebted to and guaranteed to stay in Dallas. And the recent context with Kyrie/Gafford/Lively all out injured can heavily influence a player's decision to leave. That's just reality.
1987_Lakers
03-04-2025, 12:41 PM
Of course it came as a shock because that's the sudden nature of the business. That doesn't mean that Luka was somehow indebted to and guaranteed to stay in Dallas. And the recent context with Kyrie/Gafford/Lively all out injured can heavily influence a player's decision to leave. That's just reality.
They all would have stayed healthy with Luka “Magic” there.
Proctor
03-04-2025, 12:45 PM
The Doncic trade was already horrifically bad and now it's just a joke.
The 2025 Mavs with Luka on them was one of the more interesting teams out there with a very high ceiling and a probable re-entry into the Finals. Now they're just a bunch of loose pieces built around a guy who isn't even there anymore. It's actually sad.
Norcaliblunt
03-04-2025, 12:51 PM
Lmao
That trade was a rig job for sure.
Trade Luka because he’s overweight and may become injury prone?
And give the keys to two of the most injury prone flaky stars ever?
Lmao.
Celtics vs Lakers finals. Lakers win. Big celebration and tears about the fires.
Book it.
aj1987
03-04-2025, 12:54 PM
Of course it came as a shock because that's the sudden nature of the business. That doesn't mean that Luka was somehow indebted to and guaranteed to stay in Dallas. And the recent context with Kyrie/Gafford/Lively all out injured can heavily influence a player's decision to leave. That's just reality.
Dude. The Mavs traded a generational talent (who's yet to hit his peak) for a 32 year old oft injured player.
Luka never was thinking of leaving. They literally made the Finals last season and were in very good shape this season as well, FFS.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 01:00 PM
Dude. The Mavs traded a generational talent (who's yet to hit his peak) for a 32 year old oft injured player.
Luka never was thinking of leaving. They literally made the Finals last season and were in very good shape this season as well, FFS.
Exactly. Why would they trade him unless he was thinking of leaving... or something. There's got to be some reason right. If it's none of those, then yes they made the stupidest trade of all time.
But they weren't in good shape this season. Luka missed a ton of games. Gafford/Lively with serious injuries. Kyrie now tore his ACL. They weren't going to do anything with Luka either. And since Kyrie may not even return next season, their title window seems pretty shut.
SouBeachTalents
03-04-2025, 01:11 PM
Exactly. Why would they trade him unless he was thinking of leaving... or something. There's got to be some reason right. If it's none of those, then yes they made the stupidest trade of all time.
But they weren't in good shape this season. Luka missed a ton of games. Gafford/Lively with serious injuries. Kyrie now tore his ACL. They weren't going to do anything with Luka either. And since Kyrie may not even return next season, their title window seems pretty shut.
You're trying WAY to hard to downplay how horrific of a trade this was :lol No matter what justification they gave for doing it, it doesn't change the fact it was still moronic. There's a reason it got nearly unanimous criticism from everybody.
Kyrie's oft injured, but you can't say with a certainty he still gets injured if Luka's still there, it'd be impossible to determine that.
StrongLurk
03-04-2025, 01:13 PM
Wowwwww.
Damn I can't believe it. Kyrie never seemed like the type of player to get an ACL injury.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 01:24 PM
You're trying WAY to hard to downplay how horrific of a trade this was :lol No matter what justification they gave for doing it, it doesn't change the fact it was still moronic. There's a reason it got nearly unanimous criticism from everybody.
Kyrie's oft injured, but you can't say with a certainty he still gets injured if Luka's still there, it'd be impossible to determine that.
I'm not downplaying it. UNLESS there is some reason we don't know about (most probable that Luka wanted out) then it's the stupidest trade of all time. I can't possibly be downplaying it when I'm calling it the stupidest trade of all time. :lol
It was a freak injury. There's no reason to think Luka's presence would somehow magically make Kyrie not get injured.
Real Men Wear Green
03-04-2025, 01:33 PM
When did Anthony Davis become nothing?
It was a losing trade for Dallas long-term, no question, and most people would not be trading the guy that is 5 years younger and just led the team to the Finals. But AD is still a great player. He can be the basis of a team's offense, and while not as offensively valuable as Doncic overall he's one of the best defenders in the league while Doncic is one of the worst. Davis is till high value, could get you five first round picks from somebody if you opened up the bidding to the league.
How could that be worse than the Clippers giving up SGA five firsts and other talents for Paul George? You guys are too caught up in the hype of the moment.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 01:39 PM
When did Anthony Davis become nothing?
It was a losing trade for Dallas long-term, no question, and most people would not be trading the guy that is 5 years younger and just led the team to the Finals. But AD is still a great player. He can be the basis of a team's offense, and while not as offensively valuable as Doncic overall he's one of the best defenders in the league while Doncic is one of the worst. Davis is till high value, could get you five first round picks from somebody if you opened up the bidding to the league.
How could that be worse than the Clippers giving up SGA five firsts and other talents for Paul George? You guys are too caught up in the hype of the moment.
This is true but you're making an implicit assumption that AD is healthy. Taking his injury history into account, the trade is pretty indefensible.
Maybe if Max Christie blossoms into a star, history won't look at it as disfavorably... But Luka for AD straight up as it is framed is a horrible trade.
FKAri
03-04-2025, 01:41 PM
I'm not downplaying it. UNLESS there is some reason we don't know about (most probable that Luka wanted out) then it's the stupidest trade of all time. I can't possibly be downplaying it when I'm calling it the stupidest trade of all time. :lol
It was a freak injury. There's no reason to think Luka's presence would somehow magically make Kyrie not get injured.
Luka hasn't been 100% since like March of 2024. It's possible they really believed he'd struggle to stay healthy going forward with his conditioning habits. I doubt that Luka wanted out. They had put a nice team around him that suited his needs. Unless he just hated being in Dallas. I think it's more like a Pat Riley situation where it's about exerting control over the franchise.
Real Men Wear Green
03-04-2025, 01:46 PM
This is true but you're making an implicit assumption that AD is healthy. Taking his injury history into account, the trade is pretty indefensible.
Maybe if Max Christie blossoms into a star, history won't look at it as disfavorably... But Luka for AD straight up as it is framed is a horrible trade.
Even with his injury history if Dallas decided to blow their team u and go to Vegas in accordance with the crazy conspiracy theory they would receive 5 first round picks and whatever player talent needed to make the money match, which would most likely include a few more useful players.
Davis may average 50 games a season for the rest of his careeer but his value remains high.
For this to be the worst trade ever it has to be comparable to the Clippers' George trade. It's not that.
SouBeachTalents
03-04-2025, 01:52 PM
Even with his injury history if Dallas decided to blow their team u and go to Vegas in accordance with the crazy conspiracy theory they would receive 5 first round picks and whatever player talent needed to make the money match, which would most likely include a few more useful players.
Davis may average 50 games a season for the rest of his careeer but his value remains high.
For this to be the worst trade ever it has to be comparable to the Clippers' George trade. It's not that.
At the time it happened, the PG trade is not as dumb as this one was. Iirc Kawhi signing with the Clippers was contingent on them getting him another star player, and PG was coming off a 28 ppg/First Team All-NBA season, was still in his 20's, and outside of one season had shown to be durable.
In hindsight yes, that trade looks horrific, but the Clippers went all in on what seemed like a championship duo and it ended spectacularly badly for them. Luka essentially for AD straight up was terrible from the jump. Nobody's claiming AD isn't a great player, but they traded away a 25 year old ATG for a soon to be 32 year old oft injured player who had maybe 2-3 seasons left at an elite level.
Real Men Wear Green
03-04-2025, 02:08 PM
At the time it happened, the PG trade is not as dumb as this one was. Iirc Kawhi signing with the Clippers was contingent on them getting him another star player, and PG was coming off a 28 ppg/First Team All-NBA season, was still in his 20's, and outside of one season had shown to be durable.
In hindsight yes, that trade looks horrific, but the Clippers went all in on what seemed like a championship duo and it ended spectacularly badly for them. Luka essentially for AD straight up was terrible from the jump. Nobody's claiming AD isn't a great player, but they traded away a 25 year old ATG for a soon to be 32 year old oft injured player who had maybe 2-3 seasons left at an elite level.The trade was extremely dumb the names just weren't as big. Leonard brought enough injury worry for him and George combined and the Clippers didn't want to do the trade at all, they were just forced to to bring in the guy that will have held their franchise back for close to a decade before they're done wasting their time and money. They knew better themselves.
Doncic is no more of an All-Time Great than Davis is. He's more valuable because he's younger, and that's why this was a bad trade. But worst trade ever? That's just hyperbole.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 02:16 PM
The Clippers trade for George wasn't even bad. Outside of a freak injury breaking his leg, George was actually quite durable and still in his late 20's and came off of his absolute best season in OKC. SGA was a total non-factor at the time and no one knew he would become good let alone this good.
The Luka-AD trade is much much worse. In fact, it's so bad that I keep insisting that there has to be reason and we just don't know about it.
Real Men Wear Green
03-04-2025, 02:21 PM
The Clippers trade for George wasn't even bad. Outside of a freak injury breaking his leg, George was actually quite durable and still in his late 20's and came off of his absolute best season in OKC. SGA was a total non-factor at the time and no one knew he would become good let alone this good.
The Luka-AD trade is much much worse. In fact, it's so bad that I keep insisting that there has to be reason and we just don't know about it.Who is the most likely MVP this year? You insisting on some random theory isn't a reason for anything to be right or wrong.
Doomsday Dallas
03-04-2025, 02:32 PM
The Luka-AD trade is much much worse. In fact, it's so bad that I keep insisting that there has to be reason and we just don't know about it.
worst trade in sports history
https://i.imgur.com/Hj8Kx3Z.jpg
Wally450
03-04-2025, 02:43 PM
I said it in another thread, but it genuinely feels like we're living through the Curse of the Bambino of the 21st century. That trade happened literally a month ago and since then
AD gets hurt his first game
Kyrie tears his ACL
The Lakers have become the hottest team in the league
That's not even mentioning several other of their key players are currently out injured too
That's a lot of freaky shit to happen, even with two guys as injury prone as those two are, in one months time.
To a team that was in the Finals 8 months ago as well.
Phoenix
03-04-2025, 02:51 PM
I know it won't make Mavs fans feel any better but IMO this Kyrie injury would completely derail them even if Luka wasn't traded. With Kyrie out this year and possibly all of next year too, the Mavs aren't making any noise in the playoffs. What are the odds that Luka would even re-sign in 2026? I'd say slim to none. We also don't know this publicly but I'm pretty close to 100% sure that Luka was traded in the first place because he told the organization that he's leaving next year and they wanted to get something for him.
You'd have to account for the butterfly effect unless you take the view that the injury was inevitable. As for Luka, he's on record as saying he absolutely did not express any desire to leave. If he did and has been acting innocent ever since, he deserves the Oscar. He was very visibly shaken in press conferences and the first few games post-trade. And the Mavs have very clearly attacked his character and work ethic as the reason for the trade, if this was a Luka request they would have spoken to that.
Manny98
03-04-2025, 02:52 PM
Nooooo :cry:
https://i.postimg.cc/sgDmZ0jQ/no-nooo.gif
This is heartbreaking news pray for a speedy recovery,an ACL tear at this point in his career I'm worried we've seen the last of superstar level Kyrie
Doomsday Dallas
03-04-2025, 03:00 PM
We still have Dinwiddie .... all is well
Phoenix
03-04-2025, 03:21 PM
Meanwhile...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/44096093/mavericks-raise-ticket-costs-cite-investments-team-fans
"DALLAS -- The Mavericks revealed on Monday that they are raising season-ticket prices for next season, just weeks after dealing star Luka Doncic to the Los Angeles Lakers.
The Mavericks said season tickets will go up by an average of 8.61% next season and the increase is due to "ongoing investments in the team and fan engagement."
The Mavs have dealt with widespread fan discontent since last month's trade that sent the popular Doncic to the Lakers in exchange for a package that includes Anthony Davis, the talented but often injured 10-time All-Star."
The current Mavs ownership really has issues with reading the room, eh?
dankok8
03-04-2025, 04:38 PM
You'd have to account for the butterfly effect unless you take the view that the injury was inevitable. As for Luka, he's on record as saying he absolutely did not express any desire to leave. If he did and has been acting innocent ever since, he deserves the Oscar. He was very visibly shaken in press conferences and the first few games post-trade. And the Mavs have very clearly attacked his character and work ethic as the reason for the trade, if this was a Luka request they would have spoken to that.
There is no reason to think a freak knee injury wouldn't happen with Luka.
I just keep thinking there has to be something we don't know that forces this trade because it makes no sense. Surely an NBA team GM cannot be this dumb.
Phoenix
03-04-2025, 05:30 PM
There is no reason to think a freak knee injury wouldn't happen with Luka.
I just keep thinking there has to be something we don't know that forces this trade because it makes no sense. Surely an NBA team GM cannot be this dumb.
There's no reason to think anything like this will or won't happen. That's why it's a freak injury. If he was a little more to the left his knee doesn't connect with the opposing player, his other leg doesn't plant/overextend and then we aren't having this conversation. It happened under the circumstances it happened and that's all we can reasonably go off.
The one thing I would bet money on is Luka didn't ask to be traded. Everything else from only Pelinka and Nico knowing about the trade, to this thing with the owners wanting to move the team to Vegas, all these things I think can be fairly scrutinized given the clandestine nature of the deal. But Luka wanting out? He was asked the question at his introductory press conference and pretty convincingly said absolutely not. So if he was untruthful about that, Mavs PR would be calling him a liar as quickly and easily as they talk about his smoking hooka and drinking beer. Plus the fact that he actually bought a house just before being traded sounds to me like someone planning on placing roots. I mean what was his plan? To get traded from the team and spend the off-season there?
I do think there are aspects of this trade that are more than meets the eye but not from Luka's end as far as wanting to leave. And frankly, Nico answers to someone as well. Maybe this wasn't his idea either but he's the front man for what the owners wanted.
999Guy
03-04-2025, 05:36 PM
I said it in another thread, but it genuinely feels like we're living through the Curse of the Bambino of the 21st century. That trade happened literally a month ago and since then
AD gets hurt his first game
Kyrie tears his ACL
The Lakers have become the hottest team in the league
That's not even mentioning several other of their key players are currently out injured too
That's a lot of freaky shit to happen, even with two guys as injury prone as those two are, in one months time.
Not freaky at all. AD is glass and Kyrie was overplayed(39.3 MPG in February), overloaded glass at age 33 because of trying to carry the Luka-less Mavs.
Anybody still defending the trade is a dolt.
E_Stamkos
03-04-2025, 05:41 PM
Not freaky at all. AD is glass and Kyrie was overplayed(39.3 MPG in February), overloaded glass at age 33 because of trying to carry the Luka-less Mavs.
Anybody still defending the trade is a dolt.
There's no defensive stance to be had at this point.
Additionally... I still can't wrap my head around the fact that he gift wrapped him to a competitor in the same conference as well.
The trade just smells weird to me... It's just too stupid
999Guy
03-04-2025, 05:49 PM
The trade was extremely dumb the names just weren't as big. Leonard brought enough injury worry for him and George combined and the Clippers didn't want to do the trade at all, they were just forced to to bring in the guy that will have held their franchise back for close to a decade before they're done wasting their time and money. They knew better themselves.
Doncic is no more of an All-Time Great than Davis is. He's more valuable because he's younger, and that's why this was a bad trade. But worst trade ever? That's just hyperbole.
This isn’t how anything works.
I’m usually a fan of using retrospect and trying dissect situations but the logic and advantages for trading a young, very raw SGA for Kawhi and PG is very clear. It made sense on every level.
The Luka trade never did.
What you are saying is a guy who shot at a another guy on the battlefield, missed and got killed by his own ricochet bullet is dumber or as dumb as a guy who directly shot himself in the head while playing with his gun in the barracks.
But even that analogy might not explain this. Dallas is looking at losing: Luka, Kyrie, AD and all control of their picks by 2026. It’s actually the most likely scenario. There’s a good chance they don’t make the Playoffs in the AD era, without the ability to tank on top of it.
The Clippers have been a playoff team every year, and had some really good teams. And still has a title window open right now, albeit barely.
John8204
03-04-2025, 05:58 PM
There's no defensive stance to be had at this point.
Additionally... I still can't wrap my head around the fact that he gift wrapped him to a competitor in the same conference as well.
The trade just smells weird to me... It's just too stupid
It was criminal, Dallas wanted to steal as much money from Luka as possible. The commissioner not stepping in was shameful. What Dallas did was evil, and now we blame AD, Kyrie, and I'm guessing Klay for getting injured.
Real Men Wear Green
03-04-2025, 05:59 PM
This isn’t how anything works.
I’m usually a fan of using retrospect and trying dissect situations but the logic and advantages for trading a young, very raw SGA for Kawhi and PG is very clear. It made sense on every level.5 first round picks, 4 first round pick swaps (I actually forgot that part) Danilo Gallinari and SGA (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/thunders-shai-gilgeous-alexander-reflects-on-trade-from-clippers-id-say-it-worked-out-in-my-favor/). That's a whole basketball team. You may normally be a fan of logic but you appear to be a bigger fan of Doncic.
The Clippers have been a playoff team every year, and had some really good teams. And still has a title window open right now, albeit barely.
Lol they aren't going to win anything with ty lue as their coach.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 06:47 PM
There's no reason to think anything like this will or won't happen. That's why it's a freak injury. If he was a little more to the left his knee doesn't connect with the opposing player, his other leg doesn't plant/overextend and then we aren't having this conversation. It happened under the circumstances it happened and that's all we can reasonably go off.
The one thing I would bet money on is Luka didn't ask to be traded. Everything else from only Pelinka and Nico knowing about the trade, to this thing with the owners wanting to move the team to Vegas, all these things I think can be fairly scrutinized given the clandestine nature of the deal. But Luka wanting out? He was asked the question at his introductory press conference and pretty convincingly said absolutely not. So if he was untruthful about that, Mavs PR would be calling him a liar as quickly and easily as they talk about his smoking hooka and drinking beer. Plus the fact that he actually bought a house just before being traded sounds to me like someone planning on placing roots. I mean what was his plan? To get traded from the team and spend the off-season there?
I do think there are aspects of this trade that are more than meets the eye but not from Luka's end as far as wanting to leave. And frankly, Nico answers to someone as well. Maybe this wasn't his idea either but he's the front man for what the owners wanted.
Fair enough. The bottom line is we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. If Luka indeed didn't want out which it seems he didn't, then maybe there is something else going on. There's got to be. The owners wanting to trade Luka is pretty senseless even just from a business point of view. Dude is box office. He fills the arena... It could be something personal between the owners or someone in management and Luka or Luka's camp. Sometimes we forget that these people are humans. This kind of drama often comes out in the open many years later. Come to think of it, the fact that they attacked Luka's conditioning so publicly makes me think there could be some beef there.
Like for example, I lived and breathed Raptors basketball in the mid 2000's but I didn't know this tidbit till literally a few months ago. A guy who used to work for the Raptors told me that the organization (specifically then GM Babcock) at some point in 2004 decided to take away the handicapped parking spot for Vince Carter's mother. Her mobility was limited and so she liked to park on a spot near the door to the arena and taking her parking spot away was a huge insult to Carter and his whole family and it made the relationship irreparable.
Phoenix
03-04-2025, 06:58 PM
Fair enough. The bottom line is we don't know what's going on behind the scenes. If Luka indeed didn't want out which it seems he didn't, then maybe there is something else going on. There's got to be. The owners wanting to trade Luka is pretty senseless even just from a business point of view. Dude is box office. He fills the arena... It could be something personal between the owners or someone in management and Luka or Luka's camp. Sometimes we forget that these people are humans. This kind of drama often comes out in the open many years later.
There was also something about Luka being disrespectful to the owners or something, but that's a flimsy excuse to get rid of a generational talent coming into his prime. You work that shit out. There's just alot of bullshit coming out because the basic issue on the surface makes no sense no matter how one spins it. Even Luka's work ethic and supposed concerns about injury.... So they're going to get rid of him at 25 and give to the keys to two guys 6-7 years older with their own injury histories? None of this passes the smell test. That should be a concern in 5 years when he's 30-31 because by then it's more likely 'he is what he is'. But at 25? Get that dude a personal chef, give him his money and max him and the team out while he's at his apex.
All these stories coming out now are because the Mavs are acutely aware of the optics and they're the villains in this mess. Luka was clearly loved by the fanbase and on his way to being an adopted 'son' of the city the same way Dirk was.
dankok8
03-04-2025, 07:04 PM
There was also something about Luka being disrespectful to the owners or something, but that's a flimsy excuse to get rid of a generational talent coming into his prime. You work that shit out. There's just alot of bullshit coming out because the basic issue on the surface makes no sense no matter how one spins. Even Luka's work ethic and supposed concerns about injury. So they're going to get rid on him at 25 and give to the keys to two guys 6-7 years older with their own injury histories? None of this passes the smell test.
All these stories coming out now are because the Mavs are acutely aware that of the optics and they're the villains in this mess. Luka was clearly loved by the fanbase and on his way to being an adopted 'son' of the city the same way Dirk was.
I didn't realize they said he was disrespectful to owners. Yea there's something personal there. The owners just didn't like Luka. We don't know the reason why and we may never. And 100% agree that they should work things out but history tells us that humans often don't.
Phoenix
03-04-2025, 07:36 PM
I didn't realize they said he was disrespectful to owners. Yea there's something personal there. The owners just didn't like Luka. We don't know the reason why and we may never. And 100% agree that they should work things out but history tells us that humans often don't.
It's one of the things that have come out in the aftermath, no specifics about what was said or anything of that nature( and I'm inclined to think someone close enough to the situation would have leaked something more concrete). So I just throw that into the 'Luka smokes hooka, he was 270 pounds over Xmas, we have concerns over his worth ethic' character assassination to redirect the fans anger.
aj1987
03-04-2025, 07:42 PM
Exactly. Why would they trade him unless he was thinking of leaving... or something. There's got to be some reason right. If it's none of those, then yes they made the stupidest trade of all time.
But they weren't in good shape this season. Luka missed a ton of games. Gafford/Lively with serious injuries. Kyrie now tore his ACL. They weren't going to do anything with Luka either. And since Kyrie may not even return next season, their title window seems pretty shut.
Luka is on contract for the next season as well. If he demands a trade, fine, put him in the market and get a half dozen picks and a couple of player (including some great ones). This trade was arguably one of the worst possible ones.
One other thing. Luka would've played the next season with the Mavs as well and gotten the supermax before demanding a trade. IIRC, he got screwed out of over $100 million.
This was the dumbest and the most shocking trade, in the history of trades.
tpols
03-04-2025, 07:51 PM
This was basically a Russian roulette game of "whose going to get injured?" to determine the outcome of this trade.
Luka was coming of extensive absence and unsure how in shape he was, Kyrie was balling, and AD was too but had a slight abdominal injury.
So AD comes out first game with Dallas and totally dominates. Blows something out again in the 3rd quarter. And the Kyrie snaps knee shortly there after having to carry the load.
Just a disaster all around for the Mavericks.
Nowoco
03-04-2025, 07:58 PM
I said it in another thread, but it genuinely feels like we're living through the Curse of the Bambino of the 21st century. That trade happened literally a month ago and since then
AD gets hurt his first game
Kyrie tears his ACL
The Lakers have become the hottest team in the league
That's not even mentioning several other of their key players are currently out injured too
That's a lot of freaky shit to happen, even with two guys as injury prone as those two are, in one months time.
All this. Things could not possibly have gone worse for Dallas since the trade. It's almost Final Destination shit.
ILLsmak
03-04-2025, 08:49 PM
Kyrie is great, but he’s low key injury prone. He’s also a potential head case. Look for his next ring to come from the bench, if he doesn’t retire.
-Smak
bison
03-04-2025, 08:58 PM
I read on Twitter the possibility the Mavs could shutdown AD for the season and honestly that would be the best move. Might as well shut down every injured dude on the roster. There’s no reason to rush AD back just to make the play in. Mavs did this kind of thing a couple seasons ago. They were in the play-in hunt and sat kyrie and Luka the last couple games in order to tank and get a lottery pick. They made the finals the following season.
John8204
03-04-2025, 09:04 PM
And they are raising ticket prices...:facepalm In a city with Jerry Jones you've managed to embarrass yourself
kawhileonard2
03-04-2025, 11:38 PM
Kyrie is great, but he’s low key injury prone. He’s also a potential head case. Look for his next ring to come from the bench, if he doesn’t retire.
-Smak
Outplayed Steph in Finals.
Feel bad for Kyrie. Damn he didn’t deserve that. I’m a big fan of him.
Dallas is done. Year 1 of the Luka deal? F. They gotta break warriors record and win a title to justify the deal now. Nico is a tool
Phoenix
03-05-2025, 02:03 PM
This is by no means an attempt to make light of anyone getting injured, it's unfortunate all around. But the way Luka got traded and all the excuse making about his injury and conditioning, for AD AND Kyrie to get injured within a month? THE two guys they were banking on to carry the team after Luka?! I'm not superstitious but that's some weird cosmic karma.
BarberSchool
03-07-2025, 02:41 AM
Kyrie was playing 40+ minutes, handling the full offensive/playmaking load, as a small guard with an injury history, approaching his mid-30’s.
Any AT/PT will tell you that’s a bad idea.
Kyrie has a 43-million dollar option, that he is almost certainly gonna take, and heal fully on the Adelson’s dime & time, maybe even delay his comeback next season for hella games, while wearing “free Palestine” hoodies every game on the sideline.
Dallas cannot possibly hate the Adelson’s/DuMont/Nico enough.
They should be forced to sell the team, and banned from the NBA forever.
Im Still Ballin
03-07-2025, 05:44 AM
I'll light some sage and say a prayer for him.
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