John Stockton does something you never see in todays game

[John8204]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Tt2_VcQl20

Can you imagine any grown man in the league taking that shot and not throwing a tantrum.

[90sgoat]

Chris Webber is bitchmade. Woke before there was woke.

[stalkerforlife]

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Stockton was dirty himself.

[Wardell Curry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7czsuqQvjGA

[FKAri]

Stockton made defensive teams just by fouling the crap out of guys. Another one of Stern's DEI hires.

[ShawkFactory]

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Stockton was dirty himself.

Yea I was gonna say. Webber wasn't really known to be a dirty player was he? I'm sure Stockton did some sneaky shit the last time they played.

[StrongLurk]

Dirty play, but it wasn't like Webber put a lot of force into that hit. Stockton is just small/weak. That shot wouldn't do much to bigger players.

[Full Court]

Can you imagine any grown man in the league taking that shot and not throwing a tantrum.

No, I can't.

[ImKobe]

Stockton was a tough mfer who didn't miss any games in 17 out of his 19 seasons in the league. Today's players are just too soft.

[Xiao Yao You]

Dirty play, but it wasn't like Webber put a lot of force into that hit. Stockton is just small/weak. That shot wouldn't do much to bigger players.

Small yes. Weak? :coleman:

[John8204]

I mean if you are getting bullied by the 6'1 guard kinda makes you a little bit of a bitch.

[Axe]

Dirty play, but it wasn't like Webber put a lot of force into that hit. Stockton is just small/weak. That shot wouldn't do much to bigger players.
Lol that was weird. It also seemed like stockton was otw to ram him.

The redneck jizzrag below you is extremely gay, btw.

[Lebron23]

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Stockton was dirty himself.

This

[imdaman99]

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Stockton was dirty himself.

Facts. Stockton was one of the dirtiest players in the league. It's all about what you can get away with and he got away with a lot.

Kings developed a mini rivalry with the Jazz, I believe they played them in 2 or 3 playoff series...all in the 1st round.

[Xiao Yao You]

Smallest guy setting screens on the biggest is dirty? People have become soft

[Meticode]

Dirty play, but it wasn't like Webber put a lot of force into that hit. Stockton is just small/weak. That shot wouldn't do much to bigger players.

I agree it's a dirty play, but that was the NBA back then and the physicality of it. Stockton was considered a dirty player during his era. He wasn't doing Bill Lambier things, but he would get his small shots in here and there and they would add up. Throw an elbow here on a screen, a small cheap shot here, grabbing arms to make it look like he got fouled. These things often led to Stockton eating floor like in the clip you saw. He was tough as nails though.

[John8204]

Facts. Stockton was one of the dirtiest players in the league. It's all about what you can get away with and he got away with a lot.

Kings developed a mini rivalry with the Jazz, I believe they played them in 2 or 3 playoff series...all in the 1st round.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2dCv7X3zSw

Charles Barkley...I'm going to try and injure John Stockton.
Barkley fouls Stockton multiple times
Charles Barkley...cries to the refs demands replay
Stockton says nothing and gets back to work

Clifford Robinson kicked John Stockton in the head during one playoff series and Stockton was holding back his coach.

Stockton didn't play dirty he played tough, no flopping no crying to the refs or the media just bounce up and do your job.

[90sgoat]

Stockton is a Trumper too.

Of course having to deal with black violence like that will make you racist.

[tpols]

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Stockton was dirty himself.

I feel like we don't the whole story cause Webber wouldn't do that for no reason. John was probably getting away with elbowing peoples ribs like he liked to do and the warriors figured they'd set the tone right away next game with an elbow from the big man.

[tpols]

Small yes. Weak? :coleman:

Compared to Webber he was. Webber was jacked.

[John8204]

I feel like we don't the whole story cause Webber wouldn't do that for no reason. John was probably getting away with elbowing peoples ribs like he liked to do and the warriors figured they'd set the tone right away next game with an elbow from the big man.

He literally said...he was going to take John Stockton out of the game with that...and John popped up and patted him on the butt and complimented him on the screen.

Playing hard and playing dirty are two different things, John played hard and because he never showed up the refs or did stupid stuff like Rodman and Barkley he got more calls.

[Xiao Yao You]

I feel like we don't the whole story cause Webber wouldn't do that for no reason. John was probably getting away with elbowing peoples ribs like he liked to do and the warriors figured they'd set the tone right away next game with an elbow from the big man.

Probably just frustrated that a little white guy was getting the best of him again

[Kblaze8855]

Believe it or not, there was a poll from 2002 of a bunch of people, and it was determined that Stockton was the fifth dirtiest athlete in the entire history of professional sports. People just don’t realize it when they look at him.

Everyone who talks about him, talks about how dirty he was. I believe Steve Kerr’s description was “A dirty bastard”.

It’s almost always in the middle of a discussion where someone is giving him great respect. He’s just about the only player considered dirty who gets that credit.

Vernon Maxwell has Been on a podcast telling some hilarious stories lately and when they got to Stockton, the whole thing was about him being dirty. The dirtiest player he ever played, I believe. But he also said he would rather guard Jordan than have to guard Stockton. Which is the same thing Gary Payton said, and had people upset.

Stockton was dirty in ways that don’t Jump off the screen, but he was so tough and respectable in his approach and so great people call him dirty while acknowledging that he was incredible.

i’ve heard Webber talk about this multiple times and he was really respectful both times. Nobody really calls him dirty while not giving him his due. They just acknowledge it as a fact like his greatness is a fact.

Hes the most respected dirty player there’s ever been.

[FKAri]

Believe it or not, there was a poll from 2002 of a bunch of people, and it was determined that Stockton was the fifth dirtiest athlete in the entire history of professional sports. People just don’t realize it when they look at him.

Everyone who talks about him, talks about how dirty he was. I believe Steve Kerr’s description was “A dirty bastard”.

It’s almost always in the middle of a discussion where someone is giving him great respect. He’s just about the only player considered dirty who gets that credit.

Vernon Maxwell has Been on a podcast telling some hilarious stories lately and when they got to Stockton, the whole thing was about him being dirty. The dirtiest player he ever played, I believe. But he also said he would rather guard Jordan than have to guard Stockton. Which is the same thing Gary Payton said, and had people upset.

Stockton was dirty in ways that don’t Jump off the screen, but he was so tough and respectable in his approach and so great people call him dirty while acknowledging that he was incredible.

i’ve heard Webber talk about this multiple times and he was really respectful both times. Nobody really calls him dirty while not giving him his due. They just acknowledge it as a fact like his greatness is a fact.

Hes the most respected dirty player there’s ever been.

But have you considered this compelling evidence to the contrary:


Stockton didn't play dirty

[SouBeachTalents]

But have you considered this compelling evidence to the contrary:
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[John8204]

You can't really argue...Stockton was dirty...and then you say well not a traditional way but see he had the vibes cause we got elbowed by the guy six inches shorter than us.

[Kblaze8855]

He was dirty In a traditional way as well. He was just small. This is from a 1997 sports illustrated article where the players were polled. Stockton was ranked the second dirtiest player in the league after Rodman and ahead of Oakley and Karl Malone.



"He's sneaky," said one assistant coach, "always
grabbing, pulling and tugging. He holds as he sets picks."

A lot of those picks are for teammate Karl Malone, who earned
three votes of his own. "He's a cheap-shot artist," said one
assistant coach, who, probably for reasons of his own safety,
requested anonymity. Elbowing his way between Stockton and
Malone for third was New York's Charles Oakley


It wasn’t a rare opinion at all




https://youtu.be/HPyALLbbyNw?si=G5RTiIO0XxCtsfsZ


Everyone who played him knew he was dirty. Cheap shots. Elbows on blind picks. Tripping guys when nobody is looking.

There is no disputing he was dirty as ****. Just also great. The people calling him dirty also acknowledge he was elite.

[Xiao Yao You]

Cleanedt firty player ever. O dont remember seeing anything or the refs calling anything. Dirtier than malone :roll:

[90sgoat]

Steve Kerr is a lefty bitch, can't trust a word he's saying.

[ILLsmak]

People talk about black guys, @gobb, and be like yall just hatin’ on people cuz they black, but I feel like Stock gets white hate because he’s cleancut and also busts ass. It seems like he is a hypocrite. I would call Karl dirty cuz he’s almost killed people, but Stockton is just a hard bodies guard.

Like Larry Bird would claw you out, but he hated Laimbeer cuz there is a line. Not saying Stock never crossed it, but I haven’t seen it. Feel free to post a vid.

And plenty of dudes rep John like GP. They get it.

-Smak

[tpols]

People talk about black guys, @gobb, and be like yall just hatin’ on people cuz they black, but I feel like Stock gets white hate because he’s cleancut and also busts ass. It seems like he is a hypocrite. I would call Karl dirty cuz he’s almost killed people, but Stockton is just a hard bodies guard.

Like Larry Bird would claw you out, but he hated Laimbeer cuz there is a line. Not saying Stock never crossed it, but I haven’t seen it. Feel free to post a vid.

And plenty of dudes rep John like GP. They get it.

-Smak

If Stockton did the same things at lambiers size he'd be hurting people. I watched a clip the other day and he's always throwing elbows. Like real quick, sneaky pointy as elbows... it's not gonna injure you but he's doing it on purpose to inflict pain and hamstring the opponent physically. That's why so many people have retaliated against him but he somehow never got hurt from. 16 seasons played 82 games... that's unreal for someone of his stature and who played physical.

[Kblaze8855]

People talk about black guys, @gobb, and be like yall just hatin’ on people cuz they black, but I feel like Stock gets white hate because he’s cleancut and also busts ass. It seems like he is a hypocrite. I would call Karl dirty cuz he’s almost killed people, but Stockton is just a hard bodies guard.

Like Larry Bird would claw you out, but he hated Laimbeer cuz there is a line. Not saying Stock never crossed it, but I haven’t seen it. Feel free to post a vid.

And plenty of dudes rep John like GP. They get it.

-Smak


I heard Gary Payton acknowledge Stockton was dirty as well. I think the issue here is people thinking that players who get labeled dirty aren’t also respected. He’s one of the most consistently respected players of all time. He was just also dirty. The reputation doesn’t follow him because fans have no idea what they’re talking about from a distance years later. At the time and among players?

When people as different as Vernon Maxwell and Kerr say the same thing there’s a reason for it. Vernon literally called him a demon and one of the dirtiest players in NBA history. He also called him a dog and tougher than Jordan to play. This is Arenas one of the few who don’t say it with as much respect:





"Believe it or not, John Stockton," Arenas on the dirtiest player he had played against (https://youtube.com/shorts/qYGEzI-rXxo?feature=share). "My first two years, I'm like, 'Yo, this dude is just a dirty player, bro'. He's just dirty like, he'd pull you, elbow you, knee you, he'd do all of that. He did all of that. I'm glad I didn't play in the 80s. This is not basketball right here."




Greg Anthony had Stockton as the dirtiest player he ever played as well referencing all the hidden dirty shots he managed to get away with. He also said he was the hardest player ever to play against, and that part of it was his ability to get away with dirty plays in the screen game. But it was sad with all respect.

Its really from damn near everyone…. And players coaches, and everyone else made note of how nobody could tell it was going on. You ask for video and they directly reference how it’s never caught.





John Stockton, hands down, is the dirtiest player ever. Of course, you never hear about him playing dirty, because, well, he's John Stockton. But ask any NBAer from the past two decades this question, and they'll all give you the same answer. If he comes back next season, I hope TNT or ESPN broadcasts one game where the camera doesn't leave him. I would love for everyone in America to see just how dirty Stockton can be.







Why is there no mention of John Stockton, pound-for-pound, the dirtiest athlete in professional sports? This guy sets more illegal screens than any other player. If this guy was six inches taller, he'd have set the record for most personal fouls. But he knows he can get away with a hard elbow to the torso, so he does it to everyone. By the way, if John Stockton is No. 1, then his pal in crime, Karl Malone, is a sure No. 2.







Made a living of setting screens low and then rolling off and throwing the ball to a wide-open Malone because the defender is laying on the floor holding his knee.




None of these people think John Stockton wasn’t unbelievable. And most of the people talking are white. Its fans, players, coaches, and executives across all races and personality types. They just have eyes ribs and knees and acknowledge the truth. He was a little guy who took advantage of not being noticed while he was taking every cheap shot he could.

But he also didn’t bitch when you gave him one back. I believe I heard Shaq talking about that as well. People don’t mind as much when a dirty player doesn’t complain when you get dirty back. I’ve heard that said of Charles Oakley too.

Stockton and Oakley were dirty and respected. Bill Lambert was dirty and hated Because he was a whiny bitch about it. Nobody criticizes Stockton for his professionalism and nobody really disrespects his game. That’s why his reputation isn’t worse. But the people who had to go out there know he was downright filthy.

[Kblaze8855]

There is nothing so 90s as the dirty on dirty matchups of Rodman against Stockton and Malone. 3 of the biggest scumbags in history on one court but only Rodman and Malone were noticed. And it goes back to the Pistons days. When you watch the clips of a lot of Stockton altercations, you can see what the guy was talking about when he said he wishes the camera was on him for full game so fans would understand. He’s the master of quick dirty plays you can’t reeeeeallly see even happened.


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you can’t really even tell that anything happened. And that’s the beauty of it. And the reason the players are the only ones who know it happened.

he went his whole career, tripping kneeing elbowing and pushing people bigger than him and getting away with it because of his size and appearance.


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What ref is gonna think John Stockton bullied David Robinson?


But in the real world, a lot of small people are bullies. David Robinson was 250 pounds of muscle, but he definitely wasn’t tough.


Stockton would cheap shot the big guys trying to defend Malone for 20 years and the whole league knew it And hated that he could get away with it because they could feel it, but nobody could see it

[Kblaze8855]

Rodman decides he’s gonna pull a Stockton on Stockton. Which is pretty much what he did as well, but Rodman was really trying to make a personal point.

Hit him with a dirty screen, tripping him up and tells the refs they see it when he does it

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they go at it like that the whole game and Stockton gets pissed off and calls Dennis a dirty son of a bitch

https://i.ibb.co/BHWvb7BJ/IMG-1395.gif





Know what happens? Rodman(who had just held Karl Malone to 7 of 25 shooting) gets suspended and the Jazz win the next game by 30 something.


But you have the guys voted by the other players as the dirtiest second dirtiest and fourth dirtiest players in the league on the floor at the same time so something was gonna happen.

Rodman was ****ing with both of them the whole series. And they were ****ing with him. They were just much more low-key and wouldn’t speak on it. Dennis would flat out tell you what he was doing and why to call attention to it.



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The king of “You taking it there I’m taking it further” dirty ball.


He didn’t try to be subtle about it, which is why he has the reputation among fans, but Stockton only has it among players.

Two different approaches that both worked. You put all three of those guys on a court today without time to adjust to modern rules? None of them could make it through a playoff series without a suspension.

Stockton would comfortably be the dirtiest player in the NBA right now and with a multiple HD cameras a lot more of it would be caught on film so fans would understand it.

He was as gutter as any of those big guys. Karl Malone explained it as Stockton having a lot of street in him. And he did. But being in that package made it hard to recognize, which I’m sure made it even more frustrating for the people playing against it.

[ILLsmak]

If Stockton did the same things at lambiers size he'd be hurting people. I watched a clip the other day and he's always throwing elbows. Like real quick, sneaky pointy as elbows... it's not gonna injure you but he's doing it on purpose to inflict pain and hamstring the opponent physically. That's why so many people have retaliated against him but he somehow never got hurt from. 16 seasons played 82 games... that's unreal for someone of his stature and who played physical.

If you watch, people do that all the time though. People constantly inflict pain on each other in sports. That’s why you see people get punched or leveled. You re right that stock never got injured. But he took some. Rodman got him real good.

-Smak

[ILLsmak]

I heard Gary Payton acknowledge Stockton was dirty as well. I think the issue here is people thinking that players who get labeled dirty aren’t also respected. He’s one of the most consistently respected players of all time. He was just also dirty. The reputation doesn’t follow him because fans have no idea what they’re talking about from a distance years later. At the time and among players?

When people as different as Vernon Maxwell and Kerr say the same thing there’s a reason for it. Vernon literally called him a demon and one of the dirtiest players in NBA history. He also called him a dog and tougher than Jordan to play. This is Arenas one of the few who don’t say it with as much respect:





Greg Anthony had Stockton as the dirtiest player he ever played as well referencing all the hidden dirty shots he managed to get away with. He also said he was the hardest player ever to play against, and that part of it was his ability to get away with dirty plays in the screen game. But it was sad with all respect.

Its really from damn near everyone…. And players coaches, and everyone else made note of how nobody could tell it was going on. You ask for video and they directly reference how it’s never caught.












None of these people think John Stockton wasn’t unbelievable. And most of the people talking are white. Its fans, players, coaches, and executives across all races and personality types. They just have eyes ribs and knees and acknowledge the truth. He was a little guy who took advantage of not being noticed while he was taking every cheap shot he could.

But he also didn’t bitch when you gave him one back. I believe I heard Shaq talking about that as well. People don’t mind as much when a dirty player doesn’t complain when you get dirty back. I’ve heard that said of Charles Oakley too.

Stockton and Oakley were dirty and respected. Bill Lambert was dirty and hated Because he was a whiny bitch about it. Nobody criticizes Stockton for his professionalism and nobody really disrespects his game. That’s why his reputation isn’t worse. But the people who had to go out there know he was downright filthy.

But Gil is a clown and stock served him. Some of it is coping. GP is mentally tougher. Max was tough, too. Kerr n gil tho haha.

I def see what stockton did, but I don’t mind it. It doesn’t cross the line to me. Like I just said, dude might get one of those random attacks like parish did to laimbeer from me. That’s the best way to handle it. But until I feel someone is trying to hurt me, I am cool with it assuming I can get some calls.

That’s funny you posted that rodman shit. That was a real hit though haha. That shit hurts more than getting brick walled.

-Smak

[Xiao Yao You]

If you watch, people do that all the time though. People constantly inflict pain on each other in sports. That’s why you see people get punched or leveled. You re right that stock never got injured. But he took some. Rodman got him real good.

-Smak

He did get hurt. He played through injuries. Couldnt lift his shoulder in the olayoffs about half way through his career. He sucked. Figured he was done. Found out after he retired he was ****ed up.

Only 30 games missed after microfracture surgery. Same player when he teturned other than they played him less

[tontoz]

Very different era. There were a lot of guys who would try to get away with whatever they could, and sometimes didn't care if they got caught. Stockton was able to get away with more than other guys because of his size and personality. He never talked trash to anyone and was media averse so he had a bit of a choirboy image and took advantage of that. Pretty strange that he was so injury free considering how rough he was.

[ILLsmak]

He did get hurt. He played through injuries. Couldnt lift his shoulder in the olayoffs about half way through his career. He sucked. Figured he was done. Found out after he retired he was ****ed up.

Only 30 games missed after microfracture surgery. Same player when he teturned other than they played him less

Injured means sitting out to me. Not saying he was invincible.

Edit: also bigs inflict pain on each other constantly. In bball it was like what happens in the paint stays in the paint. Lil guys would get smashed for even trying to rebound in there. Stock just played punish u ball as a small. Like I said he hasn’t done anything I feel was egregious, but I am ready to watch clips if someone posts.

-Smak

[Lebron23]

He is going to be hated if he plays in the social media era.